Leafs rumours 2

06 Apr 2024 03:06:31
Jesperi kotkaniemi is said to be bought out in the offseason. This would cost the team 835k per year for 12 years totalling 10.2 mill.

Just putting it out there but if the Canes were willing the retain 1.52 mill per year it would save them 900k total and 6 years of cap hit.

Just asking would kotkaniemi at 3.3 mill for 6 years be of any interest or best to stay away.

He will be 24 at the beginning of next season, plays C/LW, decent face-off percent, decent possession numbers (albeit against weaker competition) and could obviously use a change of scenery
Thoughts?

06 Apr 2024 12:32:02
I like this add.
He has a nice mix of skill and size and as you state can play wing or center.
He’s still young with upside.

06 Apr 2024 15:26:04
Personally, why not just let the Canes buy him out and then offer him a show me deal instead of being locked on for 6 years at $3.3M?
I still like Kotkaniemi. I think Carolina's style of play doesn't suit him. If they are truly going to buy him out, I would rather wait it out and try and sign him for free in the off-season. Should be able to get him for less than the $3.3M if his stock has fallen so much.

06 Apr 2024 16:25:32
KK is a real tough one for me. Especially after the PLD trade and all the nonsense LAK are dealing with now.

06 Apr 2024 16:48:25
3.3 puts hime fair value for a 3LC that can play up on the wings if needed. I think he would actually do exceptionally well with marner on RW and mcmann on LW.

domi matthews bertuzzi
knies tavares nylander
mcmann kotkaniemi marner
holmberg kampf reaves

robertson becomes expendable to fill that much needed 1RHD.


now looking at the draft, leafs are projecting to be in the 20-24 range with their pick. Dean Letourneau (F) is standing out a bit. hes hard to read, but he had one hell of a solid year in the U18 AAA. hes 6'7 right handed center. hes cimmited to boston college for next year so he will have time to develop in one of the top NCAA hockey schools. its just a little to track his numbers, but hes got a better ppg in that league than joe sakic did, but not quite where the legends like ray whitney, patrick marleau, or ron francis.

06 Apr 2024 20:11:24
@Heenklin he's still going to need 2-5 years to develop if drafted. That's the big thing.

06 Apr 2024 22:43:13
Not trying to speak for him but I think Hrenklin was meaning Robertson could be moved out in a package to aquire a 1RD as well as who could be drafted with the 1st if kept.
Not trying to step on any toes, sorry if I am mistaken.

07 Apr 2024 00:50:38
Yes jmaxx, dean was a long term investment similar to knies. Robertson alone won't get what we need, but would be part of a larger package.

06 Apr 2024 01:00:00
Leafs sign Pavel Francouz this offseason and re-sign Bertuzzi, Domi, Dewar, Lyubushkin, and Edmundson. I am not sure how many years for any of them but here are the salaries that I thought of...

Bertuzzi: 6.1M
Domi: 4M
Lyubushkin: 3.5M
Edmundson: 2.5M
Francouz: 2.75M

Playoff Line-up Nexxt Year

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Domi
Knies-Dewar-Nylander
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Lyubushkin
Benoit-McCabe
Edmunson-

Francouz-Woll

Not sure who fits in the bottom pair RHD but this lineup gives us approx. 3.6M to fill the hole.

Suggestions?
Thoughts?

06 Apr 2024 03:17:11
You are more generous than Kyle Dubas!

$6.1 for Bertuzzi? ($5 max)
$4 for Domi? ($3 max)
$3.5 for Lyubushkin a 3rd pairing defenseman? ($2.5 max)

Lyubushkin needs to be replaced with a proper #2, 1st pairing, RHD
Matt Roy, Sean Walker, Will Borgen (if he can be pried loose from Seattle)
Timmins (if he can stay healthy) might be a good, 3rd pairing partner for Edmundson.
I would rather resign Samsonov that Francouz
You have left no room for the possibility of one or more of Minten, Cowan or Niemala making the team out of training camp.
I would like to see Kampf traded and Dewar as Leafs 4th line center, as similar to Kampf he is not suited for 3rd line center duties.
Henrique, Monahan or more cheaply Bujgstad would be suitable targets for 3rd line center.
Jarnkrok is still under contract to the team and seems to be a favorite of Keefe’s though depending on their playoff performance, Keefe might not be back next season.
If Jarnkrok could be traded his $2.1M cap hit could be used towards a proper 3rd line center.

08 Apr 2024 14:50:10
Zero skilled players in your D core other than Reilly, and he seems to forget that his own zone is his priority. 6.1 for Bertuzzi is ridiculous.

05 Apr 2024 14:41:03
Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Akhtyamov (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)

Washington Trades
Carlson*


*Caps retain 4 million of Carlson's remaining 2 years with an AAV of 2 million.


Leafs will be looking in the off season to get a solid two way defenseman imo, and Carlson checks all the boxes as well as being a veteran player.

Caps are an older team looking to get younger for the future, Carlson has been a top Defenceman for them but it's time to trade him for assets that help for the now and the future and this proposal does that imo.



Thoughts ?

06 Apr 2024 03:20:15
Disastrous!
Carlson is 34 years old and primed for decline.
Giving up a 25 year old Liljegren, a 22 year old Robertson, Akhtyamov a good goaltending prospect plus a 1st round pick for a 34 year old defenseman seems like something Ferguson Jr, Burke or Nonis would do.

08 Apr 2024 14:51:35
Absolutely NOT. Lilygren straight up for Carlson may not even be worth it.

05 Apr 2024 01:35:08
Knies Matthews Cowan
Robertson Tavares Marner
McMann Quillan Nylander
Abruzzese Holmberg Reaves
Say 58 million

Kampf Jarnkrok Liljegren Timmins all traded at the Draft

Defence

Sign
Montour
Edmundson
Demelo

Rielly
McCabe
Benoit

Say 26 million

Goalie
Sign
Brossoit 3 million

Woll 770k

87.7. 🤓👍

05 Apr 2024 02:36:44
I like it I don’t think they trade Liljegren and I think they keep Tavares and Nylander on same line. But that’s a great team Matthews and Marner can drive lines by themselves.

05 Apr 2024 02:50:05
I know I'm on an island here, but I really don't like Montour for this team. Need someone to play with Mo. He's never had someone he can lean on, his entire career.

MPH jumping on the Cowan train lol.

05 Apr 2024 12:27:01
While I like what I’ve seen of Cowan I don’t think it’s the best decision to insert him into the playoff lineup. Too much pressure on a young player; let him come to camp in the fall with confidence and determination.

Quillan will get his chance with the Marlies; that will give the Leafs brass a chance to see him up close. I’m happy to add him but let’s use caution.

I agree that Montour is not the right partner for Mo. We need a big reliable RD with size, grit and mobility who can give Rielly the confidence to join the rush; that’s not Montour.

05 Apr 2024 12:28:21
@LL agreed he basically Mo with a point shot. if you think the leafs are gonna just rely on young guys to fill out their roster you’re probably sadly mistaken.

06 Apr 2024 02:35:22
I can see a Montour with McCabe on the second pairing, need a 30ish rhd like parayko with Reilly. Would overall be costly, but formidable.

06 Apr 2024 03:30:47
Mintin and Quillan will battle for the 3rd line center slot with Minten having the edge having already made the team out of training camp this season.
A year with the Marlies will do Quillan a world of good.

I would like to keep Dewar as Leafs 4th line center as I believe he is a better center than Holmberg and move Holmberg to 4th line left wing.
I am not a Reaves fan and believe he should be Leafs 13th forward and a suitable 4th line right wing acquired. (Kunin? )
I would keep Liljegren depending on how much he is asking for his new contract.
DeMelo would be a far better partner for Morgan Reilly than Montour .
Reilly plays his best with a defensively responsible partner.

08 Apr 2024 14:56:57
Cowan may not be NHL ready and Robertson is not a second line player.

Leafs life…. Brodie was a good partner for Reilly until this year when his play took a bit or a down turn. Reilly makes way too many mistakes, and frankly he often left Brodie in no man’s land with some of his dumber moves. Yes they need a RHD for the top pairing and I hope they sign Brodie cheap for 3rd pair. But Reilly is what he is…. high risk.

03 Apr 2024 06:03:35
Leafs trade Abruzzese Tverberg Voit
Arizona trade Durzi

Just turning players that will never play for Leafs into a player

Targets free agency

Marchassult

He is getting up in years but leafs could offer term 4 years 5.5 million this takes him to 37 but Leafs could LTIR if he breaks down at end of contract

Steve Stankos 5 years $5 million Maybe he finally wants to come home 3 rd line center next year. If he needs LTIR late it's a tool for the Leafs


Matt Duchene. Same offer 4 years $5.5 million

Tyler Bertuzzi 5 years $3.5 years
Leafs are taking chance here as Bertuzzi can struggle but he is almost at 20 goals and could be force in playoffs

Max Domi 4 years $2.5 million I'm sure he likes it here and he has been effective mostly. Just Leafs are taking risk here so over 4 years he mush take a $500k haircut over 4 years

What forwards you guys want

03 Apr 2024 10:07:40
Did the cap shoot up to 100 million?

03 Apr 2024 13:00:52
So, Arizona gives you their #1 RD at the moment for players you think will never make the Leafs. Why?

If you could sign those 5 players and add them to Matthews, Marner, Nylander and JT, that's your top 9. Where does Robertson play so he can get his 30-35 goals?

03 Apr 2024 16:25:35
I never said I’m signing all players I’m saying which one do you want from that list.

03 Apr 2024 16:28:26
RLF

IN ORDER TO APPEAR HERE YOU MUST PROPOSE TRADE


so I need to come up with something

I’m asking who are ur free agent targets on that list

Of course they can’t have all nor do they want all.

03 Apr 2024 16:31:08
Bert isn't taking 5 years at 3.5.

03 Apr 2024 17:16:22
Mackin. I understand you have to propose a trade to be seen on this side. And when anyone proposes a trade, posters Comment on said proposal. Not sure why you are putting all that in caps towards me. I understand the process, if you did, you would expect people to comment on your prop as that is what this side is for by your own admission.

As far as the free agents go. You wrote "targets for free agency" then said who you want at what price and ended with "what forwards do you guys want". In what way are we supposed to figure out you don't want all of them? So which do you want then?

03 Apr 2024 20:37:18
LOL
Bicker, bicker, bicker!

03 Apr 2024 21:55:31
I don’t think you HAVE to do anything here. It’s entertaining though. I don’t think you get Bertuzzi for 3.5 either. Maybe 17 million over four years . Twenty goal scorers who play together tough and can fight if needed …. Not for 3.5.

04 Apr 2024 06:52:10
RLF

It would be inpossable to get them all signed. But you assume I’m a idiot so you wanted to inform me

How do we sign all these guys

Leafs are probably walking away from these 4

Jarnknok
Kampf
Bertuzzi
Domi



I don’t know what Bertuzzi gets on open market but even on a 1 year deal he won’t get $5.5 which I think leafs pay him

So leafs offer 5 years $3.5 it’s fair both sides.

04 Apr 2024 12:22:48
weathermac.

I do not assume you are stupid.

You made a post. I commented on what you wrote. I asked fair and reasonable questions. Nothing more.

Even in your recent post to me, you say I should have known it was impossible to sign all those guys and then say this is how the Leafs could sign all those guys, which includes walking away from 2 of the guys you want re-signed. You don't see how confusing that is?

05 Apr 2024 01:01:29
We don't need to assume Westhermackin.

02 Apr 2024 15:26:40
Islanders Trade
Pulock
3rd Round Pick 2025

Leafs Trade
Kampf
Liljegren
1st Round Pick 2026 (Lottery Protected)


Thoughts ?

03 Apr 2024 13:04:48
Islanders might. Pullock is now their #2RD. They have no cap space next year and lots of spots to fill. A solid deal imo. Pullock is a guy that I have thought would be a good target. I would imagine that the Isle would want picks and prospects mostly though as they need cap space.

03 Apr 2024 14:46:28
I don't think it's enough, but maybe not far off.

03 Apr 2024 18:06:28
I was very unimpressed with the trade which means it's probably realistic.

02 Apr 2024 05:55:17
Leafs trade Marner

Islanders Dobson 1st 2024 1st 2024

Leafs signed another beauty Jacob Quillan is 8 months older than Knies and very similar numbers to Knies in college

It's getting really crowded up front folks

Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Knies Holmberg Robertson ( Marner )
Reaves Kampf Jarnknok
Quillan Cowan Minter


I think 3 things are clear Bertuzzi is not coming back. Decision on Domi hasn't been made yet
And Kampf and Jarnknok are being traded b4 draft

About Quillan he is a Kampf type of player with much more scoring ability

He is center who plays hard in all three zones really good on penelty kill

We should see him the final few games of this year .

I love Leafs going forward

02 Apr 2024 06:02:13
In what world is a 1D, on a solid contract, being traded for Marner with 2 1sts at that?

I don't understand your evaluation of Marner. Have you confused Marner with Mcdavid? They both start with "M" I guess.

02 Apr 2024 12:37:16
Leafslife I read yours before his, I assumed it was 2 firsts from the leafs lol.

02 Apr 2024 15:11:37
I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
and I think to myself
What a wonderful world.

03 Apr 2024 02:24:08
Not sure if I am reading this proposal correctly.
You want Lou to send Dobson plus two 1st round picks to the Leafs for Marner?
I would highly doubt that.
Yes, Marner is one of the top wingers in the league!
But Dobson is one of the top young defensemen in the league, a first pairing, #2, RHD.
Off the top of my head I can only think of Makar, Hughes, Fox and Heiskanen who would rank ahead of him among young defensemen.
On top of that he is right handed.
A straight up trade of Marner or Nylander (Islanders choice) for Dobson might peak Lou’s interest!

01 Apr 2024 20:47:15
So, this is the perfect target for the Leafs defence imo. I have brought up Lauzon many times, but he would be the perfect guy for the Leafs. Yes, he shoots left, but he plays the right side often and the Leafs need to chase a guy like Roy if he becomes available

Nash
Robertson RFA
Steeves RFA
Gregor RFA

Tor
Lauzon $2M
Afanasyev RFA

Nash picks up speed, youth and potential scoring. Leafs pick up a physical D and a player that could use a change of scenery, like Steeves, he has produced in the A.

01 Apr 2024 23:38:10
RLF

Robertson has some wheels

If Keefe installs Jarnknok to bench Robinson I don't know what to think but fire him!

02 Apr 2024 00:48:29
WeatherMac. Yes, he has wheels. This isn't the playoffs though. The better he plays, the more his value. I'm good with that.

02 Apr 2024 03:19:25
I don't know who Nash is but as we can see with Robertson he is going to be a perennial 30 to 40 goal scorer

Put robertson with Marner Holmberg down the middle then Tavaras between McMann or Knies and Nylander.

02 Apr 2024 03:31:05
RLF

Why do you insist on trading 22 year old Robertson when there is strong evidence he will put up 30 to 35 goals. I’m being conservative on that estimate it’s minimum he gets over 82 game.

You know Marner is one of the best set up men in NHL.

TELL ME IN DRAFT PICKS WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR ROBERTSON?

02 Apr 2024 06:03:03
@DM eight firsts. It would be insane to trade Robertson for less.

I'm also think of Mcdavid for Marner.

02 Apr 2024 12:15:15
weathermac. I just showed you what Robertson is worth. Tell me which actual 22 year old 30-35 minimum goals player you are referring to and I will tell you what kind of picks I think he is worth.

02 Apr 2024 20:07:14
What evidence is there he’s gonna score 35? He’s on pace for about 19 over an 82 game season. There won’t be room for him going forward.

03 Apr 2024 02:33:31
Robertson may go on to score quite a few goals in his career but the problem is, at the moment, he is a a fairly one dimensional player.
He has a great shot.
But he doesn’t defend well, doesn’t hit or block shots much, doesn’t penalty kill and isn’t a shut down player.

A lot will depend on whether Leafs resign Bertuzzi and/ or Domi.
Along with McMann and Knies there are only so many left wing slots available on a team and Robertson isn’t a 4th line player.
So that leaves 3 LW positions to fill.
If Leafs resign Bertuzzi and have just resigned McMann (a better 2 way player, and will definitely be keeping Knies, where does Robertson slot into the lineup.

03 Apr 2024 16:19:29
Agree WB.

01 Apr 2024 20:00:23
Not sure how valuable LaCombe is to Anaheim, but they do have 2 higher LD prospects in Mintyukov & Zellweger.

To Toronto
LaCombe RFA

To Anaheim
Robertson RFA
2024 4th
Voit ELC

I think LaCombe has the potential to fill the 2LD slot, along side Lily (if Leafs decide to keep him after the playoff run) .

Future Dpairs
Rielly - Roy
LaCombe - Lily
Benoit - McCabe
Timmins

Do the values make sense?

Thoughts?

01 Apr 2024 20:32:34
Tags. Man, I do not want to imagine LaCombe and Lily as our 2nd pair. lol
I may be wrong on LaCombe, but I don't see a #3 development out of this guy (As you know I have Lily as a #5). LaCombe hasn't been able to translate his offence at the pro level, he isn't very physical and defence is not his strong suit. They are trying to work on his defence in Anaheim this season, but he is lost at times. Who knows, he just turned 23, so there is room for improvement. At this point, it is Robertson straight up imo. I wouldn't add more as I am not sold on him. He wouldn't be my target.

01 Apr 2024 22:08:55
RLF I'm not sure how good this guy will be, but I too was hesitant to put him and Lily together.
I was going to slot him on the 3rd pairing initially (since he has played his off side) and then move him up if he develops.
Maybe they try
Rielly- Roy
McCabe - Lily
Benoit - LaCombe.

02 Apr 2024 03:53:15
No no no no Lacombe for Robertson straight up and you have added Voit and a pick. Robertson will put up 35 goals next year. Leafs have leverage on Robertson and around 2 million bucks will be a steal. If leaf's can get him @2 million til he is UFA.

I don't have year Robertson becomes a UFA maybe after 25-26 season I'm guessing.

Don't trade Robertson McMamm or Holmberg next season that's $4.5 million for maybe 60 to 70 goals min.

To all you guys next season will be the best we have seen since Mathew's &marmer arrived. Great UFA players are coning and we have 6 emerging forwards here or arrive soon

Knies
Robertson
Mcmann
Holmberg
Cowan
Minten.

01 Apr 2024 16:12:25
At The Draft.

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Grebyonkin (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2024

Washington Trades
Carlson
3rd Round Pick 2024 (Bruins Pick)


Capitals in not a complete rebuild but retool to get younger will be on the table imo for next season, this type of trade proposal will do this, Carlson has been an outstanding Defenceman over the years for Washington but with his age and probably still having value this proposal makes sense.

Leafs will be focusing on improving Defense and Carlson gives them more offence on the Blueline, as well as veteran leadership, players like Edmundson and Lyubushkin are tough hitting Defencemen that I believe Toronto also tries to resign which will give a better balance for next season.



Thoughts ?

01 Apr 2024 18:18:05
As much as Carlson has been a great defenceman for a very long time now, he's showing his age a bit. This isn't a deal I'd do.

03 Apr 2024 02:40:19
I see this as a substantial overpayment.
Carlson is already 34 years old and recently played his 1,000th game.
His skills and ability will do nothing but deteriorate over the coming years.
Liljegren, Robertson, Grebyonkin and a 1st is a large portion of Leafs youth for a guy that has two or three left in his career.
Not something I would be happy to see Trevling do.

01 Apr 2024 13:15:46
Leafs trade Marner

Avalanche trade Maker

This one might work for Leaf's the talents are equal Maker is a year younger and considering Marner will want $12 million and Maker makes $9 million next 4 years leaf's save 3million per year

Marner talents can be replaced much more easily than Matthews

01 Apr 2024 13:56:17
Colorado laughs in your face and then asks if you want mackinnon thrown in as well.

01 Apr 2024 13:59:06
Avs have zero interest in trading the best D in the NHL for Marner. Zero.

01 Apr 2024 14:40:02
Avs tell them to include Reilly, and more.

01 Apr 2024 16:10:36
No sorry folks all them
Guys here look upon Leaf players as second rate and other teams are mega stars compare McKinnon and Marner numbers last 5 years

McKinnon 484 age 28

Marner 406 age 26


All day look you guys slag leaf players and put other teams talent on the moon

Avs would do Marner for Maker in a second.

01 Apr 2024 17:33:33
mackinnon plays centre and has put up 20% more points than Marner.

Also Makar is the best at his position in the NHL. Marner is top 5 maybe top 10 at his. Marners position is the easiest to fill in the NHL, Makar's is the second hardest. Behind goalie ( talking the vasilevsky, Lundquist, Brodeur, type goalies not replacement level.

01 Apr 2024 18:20:23
I can't believe weathermackin actually thinks this is fair lol.

Makar is a generational defenceman. He's solid at both ends, works hard, just a fantastic player on a great contract.

If you want someone like Makar, it costs Mathews. Historically 1D for 1C is the price. That's the only way Avs agree, and even then, they need Makar a lot more than Mathews.

01 Apr 2024 20:08:35
It's not about trashing Leafs players, its about living in reality and evaluating honestly. Marner is an excellent player. Makar is possibly the best defenceman in the entire league making less than Marner.
Av's say no. And no black hole of climate related events is going to change that.

03 Apr 2024 02:42:19
Any GM that trades a #1, Norris Trophy winner for a winger deserves to lose his job!