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29 Feb 2024 00:38:06
Time for Treliving’s plan B as Tanev is gone…. if he even had plan A.

Larson should be the trade target.

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29 Feb 2024 02:47:11
All I've been hearing is that Tanev for a first is the price. Now they retain 50% for less?

Too bad Dubas spent every 2nd until my kids are visiting me in a nursing home.

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29 Feb 2024 09:28:42
I’m glad the leafs didn’t get Tanev I don’t think conroy has any interest in trading with the leafs and now the price for rhd just went up significantly.

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29 Feb 2024 13:37:09
Larsson will cost large, probably similar to a Muzzin deal although Larsson is 2 years older than Muzzin was during his trade.
Leafs probably need to get retention as well, which will add.
Do you think a 1st, Niemela & Voit, then a 4th & 5th to Chicago or Philly for 50% retention?
Is this worth it?

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29 Feb 2024 00:32:38
It appears Calgary has traded Tanev to Dallas for a 2nd round pick, a prospect (Artem Grushnikov) and a conditional 3rd round pick.

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28 Feb 2024 09:47:10
And the bubble bursts. Robertson and McMann played like Robertson and McMann. Skate 15 miles and do nothing. Rielly and Brodie each -4. Team D sucks so bad that your goalie doesn’t play poorly but gives up 6. Stars disappear against tough opponent. Lagesson plays like an AHL D…. cuz he is one. Tavares playing injured or sick and still your best option for 3C? Good luck Brad.

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28 Feb 2024 12:23:47
To me it’s Robertson. He sticks out like a sore thumb. He is soft and skates in circles not really doing anything. McMann and JT obvi didn’t have the best game but anytime they got a cycle going and the puck went to Robertsons side, it’s a lost battle every time. He doesn’t hit, doesn’t forecheck hard. If they were playing tag out there yesterday, I bet he wouldn’t have been “IT” once. They should have moved him while he was looking good. Now he is back to showing his true colours right before TDL.

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28 Feb 2024 12:51:15
The team loses first time in eight and we have this response?
Come on guys stop!
Yes it was a poor game and VGK wanted revenge and outplayed the team.

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28 Feb 2024 13:08:50
@Rsears so we can’t post our thoughts? Robertson has too many games out there where he isn’t noticeable not a one time thing. Maybe he will flower in a top 6 role in rebuilding team but we have no room for that type of player. We have too many already.

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28 Feb 2024 13:20:05
I was figuring someone would go off. lol

So the team comes off a 7 game win streak where they beat Vegas, Colorado and Dallas and the bubble has burst because they were facing tough competition in Vegas, the same team they beat 7-3 five days ago?


Not a good team defence game I agree. I get the criticism of Brodie and mostly Rielly in this game.

Most teams would be thrilled to have JT as a 3C. Maybe he is sick or a nagging injury. It's not like any team has another 3C ready to go where they won't miss a beat.

McMann and Robertson as well? They were both even on the night. They're on the 3rd line, what are you expecting, a dominate performance night in and night out? I'm no Robertson supporter, but he isn't horrible or anything.

They are short on D because Lily and Timmins are out, so Lagesson plays. Were they supposed to go with 5D. It's not like Lagesson was originally supposed to be on the team. He was a depth signing incase of injuries. He was a +1 last night. What exactly was his fault?

The lose 1 in 8 games and I don't think the wheels have fell off.


Clarky. I agree that Robertson sticks out on that line as he is with two guys who cycle and grind. Jarnkrok would suit JT and McMann more. I don't Robertson's value has really dropped. He's a rookie and streaky. Pretty common. He is the best trade asset still. If traded for a D or as part of a package for one, could always put Holmberg in his spot with JT and McMann and get another 4th liner with some size pretty cheaply if Gregor isn't the answer.

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28 Feb 2024 15:01:22
Also, based in Calgary, I have talked to a couple flames fans that want to trade hannifin for Robertson straight up and try and sign him long term on a fairly cheap contract expecting a break out. Like it's wild how often here people are like if you want hannifin we want Robertson.

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28 Feb 2024 18:31:42
Randy. I think you need to give Tree a call and let him know. lol.

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28 Feb 2024 19:24:56
@Randy whoever those fans are, I don't think they watch many Leafs games lol.

Why are we in full panic mode after winning 7 straight?

Keefe realized Mo can't play the right side pretty quickly.

Let's all just relax a bit here.

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28 Feb 2024 21:17:44
Guys, nobody is freaking out. I’m just saying after watching the last slew of games, I realize that Robertson is not the fit this team needs. Glad Jarny is back soon and hopefully Robo gets moved in a deal. But all is calm, cool and collected over here. Just stating what I see.

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28 Feb 2024 21:55:17
@Clarky it's more the way CKPS started this off. As if the sky is falling.

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28 Feb 2024 23:10:07
Of course you can post your thoughts Clarky.
It was more about how quickly we can change our views with one poor game.
Let’s be encouraging versus critical.
I understand your emotions. I went to bed before game ended.

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28 Feb 2024 23:13:06
There you have it!
Robertson for Hanifin…lol…get it done Randy2!

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29 Feb 2024 00:24:35
Clarky. None of what I wrote had to do with your post except what I wrote to you.

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27 Feb 2024 18:35:18
I'm pretty happy with up front, what do you guys think it would cost to land hannifin, borgen and savard. Each at 50% retention. And having to move Brodie lily Robertson.

What do we add to each trade to make it happen?

Lineup would be

Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi domi nylander
Jarnkrok Tavares mcmann
4th line

Reilly savard
Hannifin borgen
McCabe benoit

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28 Feb 2024 11:51:33
The leafs don’t have the assets or cap space to make it work.

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28 Feb 2024 13:21:04
Agree with Goat. That's way too aggressive for the cap space and lack of good assets that the Leafs have.

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25 Feb 2024 22:43:28
Here's a question for yous is there any prospects that we can see joining the leafs come playoff time

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26 Feb 2024 02:24:57
I don't see any.
On forwards, the only one's who really have NHL experience are Gambrell & Clifford, but can't see it.
On defense, if injuries keep piling up, then Lajoie or Rafai I guess.

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26 Feb 2024 13:56:47
I don' think so either if you are talking about like how they brought in Robertson or Knies in the past. I don't think Niemela is ready.

The long shot would be Grebyonkin, but the Leafs haven't even signed him yet.

The big question would be, who would any prospect remove from the lineup?

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26 Feb 2024 15:28:21
Topi is the only one I can see being useful, but the organization is doing everything in their power to shelter him while he develops. I can't see it.

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26 Feb 2024 16:40:37
I guess I’m looking at cowen or minten but chances are they are still playing a long shot for me is hirvonen as a depth guy hasn’t put up points but has played good has a solid two way game maybe a 4th line option.

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26 Feb 2024 20:00:54
Agreed that a Robertson Knies repeat is unlikely this year.

I’m hopeful that Grebyonkin continues his growth and comes to North America next year.

The only other outside chance is with Kieffer Bellows who is not on a the roster.

I like his play and attitude this year but, again, unlikely to displace anyone without an injury.

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27 Feb 2024 01:03:28
@Rsears I think Grebyonkin will come over once the playoffs are done. Season just finished last night, so they should start playoffs any day now.
Bellows only has AHL contract now, so he can't play on the Leafs.

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27 Feb 2024 11:21:08
Leafs have 3 contract spots left which was smart by Tree. But unlikely Bellows and Grebyonkin get one if they intend to bring in any trades without sending out a contracted player.

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27 Feb 2024 12:07:56
I'm sure Grebyonkin gets a contract once his season is over and he probably plays in the AHL.

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27 Feb 2024 12:33:03
Tags. All depends on the trade market don't you think? I think they will if they have one available, but it all depends on what the plan is for the TDL. I can't imagine that they won't make a trade they think will improve the team just because they need to keep a contract open for Grebyonkin to come this year and play in the A.
Although I agree that if possible, get the kid over here and see if his game translates to the North American style.

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27 Feb 2024 13:22:07
RLF 100% agreed.
I think the KHL is starting playoffs either tonight or tomorrow.
The TDL will probably be finished by the time Greyonkin's season is over, so if there is space for another contract, then I believe we'll see him come over to finish off the Marlies season.
I'm really excited to see how his game translates.

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25 Feb 2024 14:32:18
One thing I have noticed about this team compared to the Dubas built teams (Beyond being more physical) is that the Dubas built teams came out strong and started to fade a bit as the season went on.
Whereas this version didn't start well but is ramping it up the closer to playoffs they get. That's a good sign. As the games are getting tougher, this version seems to enjoy that. Of course it doesn't hurt that Keefe has finally started balancing the lines and ice time.

Even for Rielly. He hasn't been over 21 mins in either game he has been back. Matthews and Marner were slightly over 20 mins last night, but it isn't a regular thing right now. They all look fresher in the 3rd and on every shift.imo

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25 Feb 2024 18:25:26
Don’t think it’s a Dubas/ Tre thing. It’s about Sheldon getting his 💩 together. Making the whole team feel involved and everyone has a part. Can’t say the same 1 month or 2 ago.

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25 Feb 2024 21:09:29
Biggest difference on this streak I've seen is everyone buying in.

Keefe has been here a long time now, and it's never looked like this. Mo showing that aggression really sparked something, Domi has been his usual ornery self, Benoit is out there laying the body and fighting, etc. It only took a few guys to motivate this team and it's great to see.

Dubas can enjoy his washed, 100 year old defenceman.

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26 Feb 2024 00:45:00
I’d say they were not using players the best goaltending was an issue as well I guess the hope you have to have with this years team is that this is t them peaking hopefully they can stay consistent.

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26 Feb 2024 13:21:56
I was mostly talking about roster build ideas.

For one, Can't really look at what Dubas did at the deadline and say that was the team. It is what he built in the off-seasons. Tree built more for the playoffs from the start. Dubas built more speed and skill from the start.

Yes, Keefe is balancing the lines right now. So, how was he going to balance the lines in Dubas's build style? He tried Willy as 3C at times and moved up Kerfoot. That didn't really work very well. What else was he to do? Move up ZAR and Engvall and drop down JT and Bunting?

This roster is more balanced and more physical to start with which is why he can balance the lines more. imo

It took Keefe a while to realize what he had, but I don't think in the past with Dubas's build style, there was a way to balance it more.

LL Exactly. There is a different feel. Mo has never done that before. Willy has even pushed back at times. Guys like Benoit, Domi, Bertuzzi and Reaves are making guys feel safer on the ice and show some frustration by taking it out on the other team. The Leafs are developing a bit of an edge as a team. That would have never happened, no matter what line combinations Keefe used, in a Dubas built team. imo

The other thing is, Tree doesn't have to go searching for a ton of toughness at the TDL because he brought it in for free in the off-season. I much prefer this approach and this team over what Dubas built.

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24 Feb 2024 13:21:34
I believe you leave well enough alone. Wait till the summer and u resign Benoit, liljegren, Gregor, McMann, Robertson, Jones. Everyone else you let walk. You will have a lot of cap space to fill in holes. You take a run at UFAS to fill in the gaps left by bertuzzi, domi, Brodie, Samsonov, etc. lots of good ufas available this summer. With all the LTIR coming off the books as well the cap going up the leafs will have $24mil to spend. A lot of wiggle room to make good ufa signings. Don't sacrifice your only first round pick for a rental or your prospects.
Only move if make is seeing if someone is willing to take reaves off your hands throw in a sweetener like a 5th or 6th rd pic to go with him. If not bury him in the all like you did Clifford and get that little cap relief by doing it. You r not winning the cup this year so no reason to give up futures for a pipe dream.

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25 Feb 2024 13:21:58
I do support using free agency as a means to add targeted upgrades without losing important assets.

Also picking up possible improvements in the KHL and SHL is an avenue to pursue.

Agree on Benoit, Liligren, McMann and Robertson but I don’t resign Gregor. He’s a strong skater with some grit but there’s a reason SJS didn’t qualify him and now we know it.

If you’re not resigning Samsonov or Bert why not get something back at TDL?

Having said that Bert finally showed something last night! Stick on the ice and two hands on the stick he was ready to bang home rebounds or passes.
He scored 3 from a total of 5 feet. This is what the Leafs have been expecting and wanting. It finally happened 70% into the season!

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25 Feb 2024 13:36:40
Legend. For the most part I agree, but see no reason why they can't make moves now for guys with term or for guys that won't cost much. Not a ton of moves, but one or two that could help the team if the price is right I'm good with.

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23 Feb 2024 22:59:07
I'm curious to see if Keefe sticks with these lines against Colorado. Especially after the comment he made last time we played them.
Can't remember exactly how it went, but something along the lines of, these guys are to good for this league? Help me out if I'm 'misremebering' alla Roger Clemens, lol.

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24 Feb 2024 00:27:54
He should stick to what is working. Let these guys develop some more chemistry. Then you can make some tweaks a little later on heading towards the playoffs.

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24 Feb 2024 00:49:53
He should definitely stick with the lines as they are, but I'm thinking Keefe may resort back to familiarity if Colorado comes out flying.
Hope he sticks with the lines and give it a real chance.

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24 Feb 2024 13:12:26
I too have liked the line combos.

Enjoy watching McMann and Robertson having success with Tavares and it seems it’s helping Tavares as well.

Tavares succeeded in N. Y. without elite wingers so having him play a 3rd line role could work like it once did with Mogilny.

Domi might choose to shoot more with Bertuzzi on LW. His shot is really quite decent and should be used more.

Continuing with the combos I like Kampf’s game of late and Holmberg is always effective, playing bigger than he is in wall battles. Reaves, who still should be the 13th F and used only when physicality is needed, has looked better.

Still a couple of tweaks needed but the Leaf’s play has been inspiring. Maybe (fingers crossed) they are learning to play together!

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23 Feb 2024 18:56:06
Here is my personal preference for trades.

Depending on how much they want to spend, my first option is to go shopping at Seattle. It’s tough because they are still in the mix and maybe won’t move anyone until deadline.
My first Seattle option
1. Larsson - 2 years left at 4M per. One of the better D’s we could get with term that is a righty and would fit nice with Rielly. Cost for Larsson IMO Niemela/ Lily and a 1st.

#2 from Seattle.
Bill Borgen - another RHD with 2 years left at 2.7M. Not as well rounded as Larsson is but a solid reliable D that plays physical. IMO would cost Robertson, 3rd +?

#3 Walker - good option with a cheap 2.7M but last year if his deal. I wouldn’t mind putting a first rd pick to this if he came with Seeler or an extension. Similar to Borgen I say he would cost Robertson, 3rd rd +

#4 Murphy - been hurt and currently on IR. Still has 3 years left at 4.4M. I still think he would cost a first because of the term he has left or maybe they could do Robertson, Lily and a 3rd?

#5 Burroughs - if they are looking for a cheap option at RHD that has 3 years left at 1.1M could be the guy to replace Lily going forward in the bottom pair. Could cost Timmins and a 3rd/ 4th rd pick?

Honourable mentions: Tanev (would love him if he came with an extension or not costing us a 1st for one year), Seeler, Dumba, Peeke. I’m sure I’m missing a few.

Limited options out there for RHD with term that teams are willing to move. Any preferences?

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23 Feb 2024 20:23:59
Clarky really, I would only target true top 4RD with term or knowing they sign an extension.
So yes, ideally I would choose Larsson as my top target if he is available & yes I would be willing to give up that package you suggested for him.
Next would be Tanev (more realistic option) . I think it's a straight cut deal without losing a roster player.
With the way the team chemistry is, I wouldn't want to change it too much. Adding one top pairing Dman should fit in smoothly.

Of the rest, definitely Borgen and then move Lily in the summer (either draft pick or trade) .
And UFA Seeler.

Not interested in the rest.

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23 Feb 2024 20:30:39
And I forgot Matt Roy. He is definitely in my top 3 targets.
Larsson, Roy, Tanev.

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23 Feb 2024 23:32:30
Tags I feel Cgy is juicing us here. I think we would have to pay more than everyone else. If that’s the case pick up a Borgen type and try to sign him in the off-season.
I know Bob would love it if we got D’Angelo. Lol.

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24 Feb 2024 00:12:59
I like walker, but I think he wants more money than he deserves. Would pass.

Never liked Murphy. Extremely overrated imo.

I'm really not sure if any D are available that I'd want, other than Roy if he is available.

It would have to be a true Top 4 to replace Brodie, right shooting, and have term.

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24 Feb 2024 00:17:18
Good list. I would add Jokiharju to the list. Very steady.
I still like the young guy Okhotyuk (LD) as well, but he would be a guy that is still developing at the NHL level. Hard hitting LD even though he isn't huge.

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24 Feb 2024 00:52:51
Who's Bob?
No D'Angelo please!

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24 Feb 2024 13:25:08
What about Bob1965? Has some strong perspectives on Leafs moves and likes his own comments 5 times? That Bob.

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23 Feb 2024 13:03:15
I have posted a lot about it is so hard for the Leafs bottom 6 to get into a game when the big 4 are eating up so many minutes. Just to more prove what many of us have been saying about balanced lines and more icetime for all.

None of Matthews, Marner, JT, Nylander or Rielly played 20 minutes last night. Leafs scored 7. Rielly was a +2 playing with Lagesson. Marner 2 assists. Matthews a goal. Nylander an assist and JT a goal.

Didn't seem to hurt production or a lack of scoring with balanced lines and reduced minutes for the big 4 and Rielly. What it did do was Domi with 2 goals. Holmberg 1 and 1. McMann an assist. Kampf a goal. Bertuzzi an assist. Reaves an assist. Robertson an assist.

Has Keefe finally bought into that it is a team game and not all about the superstars? Lets hope so.

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23 Feb 2024 13:43:23
@RLF as Clarky says, you're preaching to the choir, lol.
Hope this is not just a mirage for the time being.
Team looks well balanced and I'm leaning towards leaving the forwards alone and just add a top4RD (Tanev), or even just a physical D-man alla Schenn type to fill in for the rest of the year (someone that won't cost much & is a UFA (maybe Seeler? Who plays both sides) .

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23 Feb 2024 14:11:20
It finally looks like it RLF. 55 games to realize it’s a team game and skill will only take you so far. Now that he sees the light at the end of the tunnel hopefully he keeps it this way with Jarnkrok taking Robo spot once he gets back and Robo is traded for a D. Need a solid RHD to play with Rielly and maybe a depth F. Not too much to ask for even though I’d like toughness upgrade on the Brodie/ Lily pair.

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23 Feb 2024 17:27:24
Tags. The choir is growing. lol
I am not suggesting the rare few on here didn't agree with me. When I said McMann in the top 6 and Domi as 2C and roll the lines more. You can't tell me there were many on here agreeing with me though. I had more tell me it's a horrible idea, than agree.
Notice all the "gotta keep McMann" now. Same people that told me than that McMann is a 4th liner at best.
I have for most of the season said that this is a transition year and not to blow assets on rentals. Some of you agreed. Most didn't. But the choir is growing.

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23 Feb 2024 19:58:58
RLF lol, yes the choir us growing!
I definitely agree with you, with there being many 'nay sayers', either just disagreeing or even ridiculing your ideas.
I'm just speak for myself when I reply and I've always liked McMann and I give you kudos for suggesting Domi for the 2nd line.
I've stated that Domi would be re-signed more than a couple months ago, and I still believe he will.
If McMann can play in the top 6 next year, that would definitely help with our cap. I hope Tre can sign him sooner rather than later. Not sure what a contract would look like now with his recent success, but I'm thinking $1.5M/ 3 year? Not sure what you think.

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23 Feb 2024 23:45:25
Tags. I think a modest raise up to $900K was possible when I wanted him re-signed. Now, I'm not sure what it could be. His agent has probably told him not to look at anything right now and ride out the hot streak because if he does well the rest of the year and goes to market, who knows, he could get $2.5M+ per. If he would sign a 3X$1.5M right now, I think Tree should do it as quick as possible. Kampf got $2.4M. Reaves got $1.35M. I would think if he stays healthy and in the top 9, it will be between $1.75M-$2.25M for 2-3 years.

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24 Feb 2024 01:30:03
Anyone else remember signing Emgvall during a hit streak?

That's what really worries me with the McCann contract talks.

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24 Feb 2024 15:18:39
LL. True. Different players though. Never been a question of heart or desire when it comes to McMann. If there was any, I would have never lobbied for him so much. McMann hits, drives the net, uses his body and doesn't back down. Everything Engvall isn't.

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22 Feb 2024 17:54:12
Leafs trade Bertuzzi

New York islanders 2 nd

Randy 2

I'm glad to see Cowen is on ur no trade list and I hope Minten and Robertson are there as well along with McMann.

Nice move the leafs drop Tavares down to third line between McMann and Robertson

Nylander can almost carry second line by himself but Domi is great set up guy

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23 Feb 2024 14:13:08
Wrong side for trades. So give Robo a kiss and a hug good bye because he about to be traded. Bert is going to play in playoffs so stop trading him.

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