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04 Oct 2023 11:45:26
I know we potentially got a good prospect in Cowen, but I am very interested to see how Sandin performs this year.
It looks like he will be playing on the top pair with Carlson.
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04 Oct 2023 20:06:46
I think that was part of the problem with Sandin in Toronto. They didn't have a good enough RD to see if he could play up the lineup. Brodie was pretty glued to Rielly, so not much opportunity for Sandin to play with Brodie. I mentioned in the past that I though he could develop into a good #2 or very good #3. He will get his chance by the look of it.
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04 Oct 2023 21:09:32
The only way Sandin had any chance (Iimo), was if Rielly wasn't resigned. Time will tell if signing Mo long term was the right decision, but a kid like Sandin can't play a shutdown role.
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04 Oct 2023 21:36:56
Hey guys,
I know Sandin would have not been a top pairing D because of Rielly, but he definitely could have been a #3/ 4 paired with Lily for sure IMO.
I still do think Lily could become a #2 playing with Rielly (definitely #3 possiblity IMO) . His confidence is growing more and more as time goes by.
I'm still on the fence for that trade even though Cowen looks like a good prospect.
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05 Oct 2023 01:25:10
Even if lily turns in to a good second liner I'd be fine with that.
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04 Oct 2023 01:14:10
So Bernard-Docker from the Sens was placed in waivers....should we put in a claim if he becomes available to us? He looks like he could be a could top 4 dman at some point.
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04 Oct 2023 03:01:14
I wouldn't mind, but if he's claimed he needs to clear waivers for Tree to send down. I don't see a world where someone doesn't want him.
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04 Oct 2023 14:09:07
Sokolov interests me more I think. Big right shot forward who has put up points in the A, but it hasn't translated to the NHL yet. Just turned 23 this summer and uses his body and size.
Likely neither gets to the Leafs anyway.
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04 Oct 2023 15:48:57
@LL & RKF. both docker and sokolov probly don't make it. but my thought is with timmins constantly hurt either could replace him. no need to have to try to pass him through waivers. maybe sending timmins down is easier to do what with his history of injuries teams might be turned off on trying to pick timmins up.
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04 Oct 2023 16:45:32
@Loxley someone needs to go down regardless.
Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Lilly
No waiver exemptions on D. At some point when he's sent down, he gets claimed.
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04 Oct 2023 18:53:21
@CTLoxley. I think you will see Timmins go on LTIR along with Gambrell. They send down Holmberg and Robertson and cap problems are solved temporarily. They sign Gregor and when Gambrell comes off LTIR, they send him down.
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03 Oct 2023 09:34:32
After watching last nights game I'm not too worried about the outcome I personally do not understand why Matthews and Marner are so bad in OT makes no sense but anyways the trio of knies Minton and cowen have been so impressive it makes you wish there was room for them. Also I know it's early but Bertuzzi has been the least impressive he hasn't really jelled with the other two I'd try him with jt before the start of the season
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03 Oct 2023 00:07:49
Anyone else been watching Robertson and thinking he shouldn't even be first call up? He's really failed to impress.
His injury history has really stunted his development. I'd really like to see a full AHL season for him.
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03 Oct 2023 01:56:37
I don't think he has been that bad. He just hasn't stood out above the rest. I agree with you that he should spend a year in the A. I have said that all along.
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03 Oct 2023 02:29:50
@RLF maybe I'm being too hard on the kid. I'll give you that.
Maybe Mackin is overloading me with Robertson love lol.
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03 Oct 2023 02:36:40
I also agree either leave him inahl ur trade him. hexwas invisible tonight against habs.
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03 Oct 2023 05:52:49
@loxley I can't be the only one thinking that.
Seems like you enjoy them beers like I do lol.
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03 Oct 2023 09:02:10
Seems like he wants it but I think he’s trying to hard to impress the coaching staff at times. The best thing for him would be to spend time in the ahl to start.
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03 Oct 2023 11:45:14
LL and Loxley. I think it is a matter of perception. I didn't expect Robertson to be that noticeable. He has been what I expected. Maybe Mackin got people watching Robertson too closely and expecting more. If he isn't traded, he needs a year in the A and show he can dominate or at least be very good and stay healthy. Best for him and the Leafs imo.
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03 Oct 2023 13:08:53
For me it’s a tough decision.
I have been very happy with his speed and compete level. The puck hasn’t been bouncing his way in pre-season.
Let him play the balance of these exhibition games and maybe he makes the decision easier to make.
Too bad McMann hasn’t played; he may have made it easier for me.
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03 Oct 2023 17:22:30
@RLF. mackin's lovefest for Robertson has not had any affect on what I think of Robertson. I have always beenless impressed with the kid. just an example of one of these skilled guys I think the lead fans and media have placed him on a pedestal as the next great thing. I don't like his size and then there is the constant injuries. I just think he needs out of here for a change of scenery.
When I see people mention his brother I think "but they are not the same. especially in size". not a fair comparison. so send him to ahl. see what he's got cause he really has no trade value at the moment.
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03 Oct 2023 17:23:17
@LL. LOL not beer. it's called a huge thumb replying to messages on a cel phone.
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03 Oct 2023 19:58:24
@Loxley. Calm down there fat thumbs, I was being sarcastic that Mackin got people all hyped up about Robertson. lol
Seriously though. He got overhyped because of one good junior season and the fanbase is desperate for some internal top talent help. Take into account that Dubas drafting had been pretty horrible and Robertson starts to look great in comparison.
As GM, Dubas made 35 picks. Giving credit where credit is due, he seems to have hit on Knies and Minten. He traded away Sandin, Durzi and Abramov. There is a possibility Robertson develops into a top 6 forward, although unless he can stay healthy, that isn't likely. Then there is the group of Holmberg, Abruzesse and Hirvonen that have ceiling's of bottom 6 forwards. Kokkonen and Niemela may crack the NHL, but I don't see a celling above 2nd pair at max.
Other than that, who is there? It is a little too early to call anyone else of the '22 draft a success.
To me, this is why Robertson gets the hype.
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03 Oct 2023 21:15:34
@RLF. lol @ Fat thumbs. how can I possibly respond after that kinda message other than yes. Robertson is over hyped but by a lot more people than mackin. I think if Robertson skowed down a little and was not so gung ho he might stay healthy longer. skates recklessly.
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02 Oct 2023 14:38:03
A lot of talk about moving Brodie. I don't really expect it though. Leafs D need him unless he can be replaced by an upgrade via trade.
On top of that, he has a partial no trade. His cap hit is a manageable $5M for some teams, but his actual salary of $7.5M doesn't make acquiring him as attractive.
Sorry to those who want to move him, but I doubt he is going anywhere unless it is a bigger trade than just him going out.
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02 Oct 2023 17:16:28
I don't really understand all the Brodie trades either.
He might fall off a cliff at his age, but it's a good bet he's still a top 4D for 5m. He also only has one year left.
Even half the media is talking about him like he has negative value.
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03 Oct 2023 13:15:15
I’ve been a proponent of trading Brodie for some time now.
A trade now gets us something versus nothing a year from now. His skills are waning big time, he offers zero offence or physicality! And we are cap-strapped!
Sending away his $5m allows us to go shopping.
The extra salary above his cap can be traded as well; Brodie plus the popular Cash Consideration could be a nice add.
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03 Oct 2023 17:28:40
@Rsears. so. u trade Brodie. what are you going shopping for? not much in the ufa class. and unless other moves are made part of Brodie cap hit only makes us cap compliant. we won't get that stud Dman for him . a pick or prospect maybe that won't be able to help us.
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03 Oct 2023 19:43:52
@Loxley. Well put.
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03 Oct 2023 21:22:54
@RLF. that's chubby thumbs to you bud. lol.
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03 Oct 2023 22:02:49
Ok. You are effective immediately CTLoxley. Lol.
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02 Oct 2023 04:58:41
I realize this isn't Leafs related but does anyone understand the hate by Rangers fans for Lafreniere.
I mean I know he's a former 1st overall pick, and the expectations are high but it's not as if he's Nail Yakopov.
The point is he's 21 years old has mostly played third line minutes and is due to improve.
If available it would be a buy low situation.
Something to pursue or not?
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02 Oct 2023 22:18:23
If Laffy is cheap enough, then yeah.
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03 Oct 2023 06:38:29
Robertson & a 1st get it done or too much?
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03 Oct 2023 16:53:48
@Jmaxx. I don't think that gets it done. Laf is still very young, he will still have better value than that offer I would think.
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01 Oct 2023 20:53:55
philippe myers was placed on waivers. might be a decent pick up for a big bodied RHD.
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01 Oct 2023 22:34:02
Always liked the idea of Myers as bottom pair D. jeans gave passed on him before . might be time with timmins injury . if only he used that big frame of his more than ge does.
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02 Oct 2023 00:17:17
Not a big fan of Myers. I'd rather keep what we have.
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02 Oct 2023 01:58:55
I've always liked P. Myers. Seemed to have all the tools etc, but just fell off the cliff. Confidence issue? The $1.4M contract is a problem.
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30 Sep 2023 19:24:26
And there's the major issue with Timmins. He has never been able to stay healthy.
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01 Oct 2023 04:44:11
@LL. yup. this D core is so soft. we are in so much trouble come regular season.
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30 Sep 2023 16:20:48
IMO Leafs best lineup (with what they have right now) to make a run for the cup.
Bertuzzi Matthews. Nylander
Knies. Tavares. Marner
Domi Cowan Lafferty
Gregor Kampf Reaves.
Trade Jarnkock to relieve cap space
Reilly. Lily
Brodie Timmins
McCabe. Kling
Thoughts? Besides the fact that our RD side looks weak.
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30 Sep 2023 04:56:16
I may be a biased Leafs fan but I’m calling Knies for the rookie of the year. Just remember where you heard it first!
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30 Sep 2023 09:45:32
Would be nice but very stiff competition with the likes of
Cooley
Fantilli
Guenther
Not to mention
Bedard and Korchinski.
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30 Sep 2023 15:54:14
The issue with those guys is they won’t have the support staff that Knies will. He is going to be a great power forward that is very calm with the puck. Plays way above his age IMO.
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30 Sep 2023 23:26:32
He screams shades of JVR.
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01 Oct 2023 19:17:08
Am. He is going to make JVR look like John Scott. The ceiling for this kid is through the roof (pun intended) . If he stays healthy, I see him putting up 30 in his first year. Great penalty killer too. IMO in 3 years he will be battling Mats and Marner for most points in the team.
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01 Oct 2023 21:07:37
Good to see everyone is being realistic when it comes to Knies expectations lol.
I'd honestly be happy if the kid put up 60 points.
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02 Oct 2023 17:03:34
I'd be happy if he reached 50 pts. I am very excited about Knies. I posted before that I do believe he is the real deal. I think he is a top 6 forward. The subtle plays he makes are beyond his years.
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03 Oct 2023 01:22:53
Just to add on this.
Absolutely agree RLF if the leafs can get quality depth scoring from Knies as well as Domi, Bertuzzi and possibly Robertson this team will be an offensive juggernaut.
I think the new additions will add
Knies 22 goals 45-50 points
Domi 18 goals 55-60 points
Bertuzzi 29 goals 65-70 points
Robertson I'm guessing will be in and out of the lineup all season, so tough to gauge.
Nylander (if here all season) his numbers will be down as well as Tavares if the plan is for them to each center a line. (three scoring lines)
Depth is what we need for success.
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28 Sep 2023 23:33:35
Game one lineup suggestion
Knies Matthews marner
Bertuzzi Tavares jarnkrok
Laferty nylander domi
Reaves kampf Gregor
Reilly McCabe
Brodie klingberg
Gio Timmons
Sammy
Woll
Spread the skill out imo I think Brodie needs to be with klingberg to cover up his mistakes and Timmons over liljgren to start I haven't liked what I've seen so far from him
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29 Sep 2023 01:14:38
As far as I know, this doesn't fit the cap. Timmins has to go down unless a trade comes.
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29 Sep 2023 08:08:18
At this point I’m not totally against trading liljgren I know he’s still young but what he bring isn’t all that great he average size not physical and he coughs the puck up or make bone head mistakes far too often.
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29 Sep 2023 15:25:23
Trade Jarnkrok for a bag of pistachios. Cap compliant.
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29 Sep 2023 16:36:59
I really font get the Jarnkrok trades. Nobody replaces him easily.
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29 Sep 2023 20:09:57
If we don’t move Jarnkrok we will run a short roster. I know Jarnkrok can play anywhere and not be a liability but he also isn’t very good either. He scored 20 goals once and that’s because he got a lot more time with Mats and Marner plus PP time. He doesn’t fit in the top couple lines with our new additions. We have Marlies that will bring more speed, grit and heart to the bottom 6 than he will. Plus we need roughly what he makes to get under the cap. If the Leafs aren’t trading Willy, which other forward do you give up instead out of curiosity?
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29 Sep 2023 21:46:01
@Clarky I want you to look at Knies, Robertson, and Bertuzzi's career injury record, and Domi's points. He's only ever cracked 40 points once, and is a huge liability defensively. I didn't mind the signing, but to say Jarnkrok isn't very good, is a bit much.
Well, you took away my first choice lol. I wanted Willy and/ or Mitchy traded before July 1st. As of right now, I would trade Klingberg in a second. I think it's a useless signing. It just won't happen.
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30 Sep 2023 04:55:14
Jarnkrok IMO would have a hard time cracking either PP line and there are many better Penalty killers than him on the Leafs as well. I think some of these Marlies we have been developing for years would add more heart, grit and speed in a bottom 6 role for less money than he would.
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30 Sep 2023 13:36:16
@Clarky who are the Marlies better than Jarnkrok at anything right now?
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30 Sep 2023 16:08:21
I personally would rather see McMann, Holmberg, Steeves or probably Gregor would be a better fit for a bottom 6 role. Speed and physicality plus pk minutes for Gregor over Jarnkrok plus the cap savings we need.
Problem is, Robertson doesn’t look that impressive (sorry Mackin) he is getting bumped off the puck way too easy. Maybe you can make a case for him to take Robertsons spot on line 3 with Willy and Domi.
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30 Sep 2023 17:37:02
@Clarky Robertson needs a bit in the AHL I think. He needs a full 82 games, of top 6 games down there.
I like Holmberg, but I don't see him as a replacement for Jarnkrok.
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