Leafs Talk

04 Oct 2023 01:14:10
So Bernard-Docker from the Sens was placed in waivers....should we put in a claim if he becomes available to us? He looks like he could be a could top 4 dman at some point.

04 Oct 2023 03:01:14
I wouldn't mind, but if he's claimed he needs to clear waivers for Tree to send down. I don't see a world where someone doesn't want him.

04 Oct 2023 14:09:07
Sokolov interests me more I think. Big right shot forward who has put up points in the A, but it hasn't translated to the NHL yet. Just turned 23 this summer and uses his body and size.

Likely neither gets to the Leafs anyway.

04 Oct 2023 15:48:57
@LL & RKF. both docker and sokolov probly don't make it. but my thought is with timmins constantly hurt either could replace him. no need to have to try to pass him through waivers. maybe sending timmins down is easier to do what with his history of injuries teams might be turned off on trying to pick timmins up.

04 Oct 2023 16:45:32
@Loxley someone needs to go down regardless.

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Klingberg
Gio-Lilly

No waiver exemptions on D. At some point when he's sent down, he gets claimed.

04 Oct 2023 18:53:21
@CTLoxley. I think you will see Timmins go on LTIR along with Gambrell. They send down Holmberg and Robertson and cap problems are solved temporarily. They sign Gregor and when Gambrell comes off LTIR, they send him down.

03 Oct 2023 00:07:49
Anyone else been watching Robertson and thinking he shouldn't even be first call up? He's really failed to impress.

His injury history has really stunted his development. I'd really like to see a full AHL season for him.

03 Oct 2023 01:56:37
I don't think he has been that bad. He just hasn't stood out above the rest. I agree with you that he should spend a year in the A. I have said that all along.

03 Oct 2023 02:29:50
@RLF maybe I'm being too hard on the kid. I'll give you that.

Maybe Mackin is overloading me with Robertson love lol.

03 Oct 2023 02:36:40
I also agree either leave him inahl ur trade him. hexwas invisible tonight against habs.

03 Oct 2023 05:52:49
@loxley I can't be the only one thinking that.

Seems like you enjoy them beers like I do lol.

03 Oct 2023 09:02:10
Seems like he wants it but I think he’s trying to hard to impress the coaching staff at times. The best thing for him would be to spend time in the ahl to start.

03 Oct 2023 11:45:14
LL and Loxley. I think it is a matter of perception. I didn't expect Robertson to be that noticeable. He has been what I expected. Maybe Mackin got people watching Robertson too closely and expecting more. If he isn't traded, he needs a year in the A and show he can dominate or at least be very good and stay healthy. Best for him and the Leafs imo.

03 Oct 2023 13:08:53
For me it’s a tough decision.

I have been very happy with his speed and compete level. The puck hasn’t been bouncing his way in pre-season.

Let him play the balance of these exhibition games and maybe he makes the decision easier to make.

Too bad McMann hasn’t played; he may have made it easier for me.

03 Oct 2023 17:22:30
@RLF. mackin's lovefest for Robertson has not had any affect on what I think of Robertson. I have always beenless impressed with the kid. just an example of one of these skilled guys I think the lead fans and media have placed him on a pedestal as the next great thing. I don't like his size and then there is the constant injuries. I just think he needs out of here for a change of scenery.

When I see people mention his brother I think "but they are not the same. especially in size". not a fair comparison. so send him to ahl. see what he's got cause he really has no trade value at the moment.

03 Oct 2023 17:23:17
@LL. LOL not beer. it's called a huge thumb replying to messages on a cel phone.

03 Oct 2023 19:58:24
@Loxley. Calm down there fat thumbs, I was being sarcastic that Mackin got people all hyped up about Robertson. lol

Seriously though. He got overhyped because of one good junior season and the fanbase is desperate for some internal top talent help. Take into account that Dubas drafting had been pretty horrible and Robertson starts to look great in comparison.
As GM, Dubas made 35 picks. Giving credit where credit is due, he seems to have hit on Knies and Minten. He traded away Sandin, Durzi and Abramov. There is a possibility Robertson develops into a top 6 forward, although unless he can stay healthy, that isn't likely. Then there is the group of Holmberg, Abruzesse and Hirvonen that have ceiling's of bottom 6 forwards. Kokkonen and Niemela may crack the NHL, but I don't see a celling above 2nd pair at max.
Other than that, who is there? It is a little too early to call anyone else of the '22 draft a success.
To me, this is why Robertson gets the hype.

03 Oct 2023 21:15:34
@RLF. lol @ Fat thumbs. how can I possibly respond after that kinda message other than yes. Robertson is over hyped but by a lot more people than mackin. I think if Robertson skowed down a little and was not so gung ho he might stay healthy longer. skates recklessly.

02 Oct 2023 04:58:41
I realize this isn't Leafs related but does anyone understand the hate by Rangers fans for Lafreniere.
I mean I know he's a former 1st overall pick, and the expectations are high but it's not as if he's Nail Yakopov.
The point is he's 21 years old has mostly played third line minutes and is due to improve.
If available it would be a buy low situation.
Something to pursue or not?

02 Oct 2023 22:18:23
If Laffy is cheap enough, then yeah.

03 Oct 2023 06:38:29
Robertson & a 1st get it done or too much?

03 Oct 2023 16:53:48
@Jmaxx. I don't think that gets it done. Laf is still very young, he will still have better value than that offer I would think.

30 Sep 2023 19:24:26
And there's the major issue with Timmins. He has never been able to stay healthy.

01 Oct 2023 04:44:11
@LL. yup. this D core is so soft. we are in so much trouble come regular season.

30 Sep 2023 04:56:16
I may be a biased Leafs fan but I’m calling Knies for the rookie of the year. Just remember where you heard it first!

30 Sep 2023 09:45:32
Would be nice but very stiff competition with the likes of

Cooley
Fantilli
Guenther
Not to mention
Bedard and Korchinski.

30 Sep 2023 15:54:14
The issue with those guys is they won’t have the support staff that Knies will. He is going to be a great power forward that is very calm with the puck. Plays way above his age IMO.

30 Sep 2023 23:26:32
He screams shades of JVR.

01 Oct 2023 19:17:08
Am. He is going to make JVR look like John Scott. The ceiling for this kid is through the roof (pun intended) . If he stays healthy, I see him putting up 30 in his first year. Great penalty killer too. IMO in 3 years he will be battling Mats and Marner for most points in the team.

01 Oct 2023 21:07:37
Good to see everyone is being realistic when it comes to Knies expectations lol.

I'd honestly be happy if the kid put up 60 points.

02 Oct 2023 17:03:34
I'd be happy if he reached 50 pts. I am very excited about Knies. I posted before that I do believe he is the real deal. I think he is a top 6 forward. The subtle plays he makes are beyond his years.

03 Oct 2023 01:22:53
Just to add on this.
Absolutely agree RLF if the leafs can get quality depth scoring from Knies as well as Domi, Bertuzzi and possibly Robertson this team will be an offensive juggernaut.
I think the new additions will add
Knies 22 goals 45-50 points
Domi 18 goals 55-60 points
Bertuzzi 29 goals 65-70 points
Robertson I'm guessing will be in and out of the lineup all season, so tough to gauge.
Nylander (if here all season) his numbers will be down as well as Tavares if the plan is for them to each center a line. (three scoring lines)

Depth is what we need for success.