Leafs rumours 3

03 Jun 2020 00:21:15
Leafs: Liljegren, Dermott, Johnsson
Wings: Hronek, Veleno, 3rd

03 Jun 2020 21:49:09
If Detroit would accept then sure do it.

03 Jun 2020 23:49:19
Yes nice post but yzerfella takes a pass.

04 Jun 2020 01:37:15
Pretty big if though. Lol. Hronek and Veleno are pretty big parts of Detroit's future. I have a hard time seeing them make this deal unless we seriously overpay.

02 Jun 2020 19:14:52
Cbj savard
Tor kappy and a 2nd 2021

02 Jun 2020 21:34:40
Hell no. A rental for a top 6 forward who kills penalties and a second?

02 Jun 2020 22:13:37
Savard has an off year imo and he his contract is going to expire soon. I would rather trade Kapanen for someone with a little more term and who is younger.

03 Jun 2020 02:54:34
Skjei went for a 1st. Trouba went for Pionk + 1st (remembering Pionk was not expected to perform as well as he did. In fact, most considered him a bottom 4 player at best) . Forbort sent for a 4th. Martinez sent for a 3rd. Gustafsson went for peanuts

The price of defensemen has dropped dramatically. I've been saying it for quite a while. There are a lot of very good elite level defense. en posing into the system right now. Every team has at least one. Many have two. These you have guys one elc's are driving down. The price of older guys with rental contracts. They just aren't worth it anymore when there are so many younger and better players available on even cheaper contracts, often times elc.

I guess what I'm saying is, Savard is a good player. Not a great player. He is older and pending UFA. Leafs will almost in all certainty not re-sign him. So would you give up a Kapanen for Savard, knowing you can get a Skjei for a 1st? Or a Forbort for a 4th?

02 Jun 2020 17:39:41
Leafs have about 12 million coming off the book in FA.

Resign Mikheyev 3x3
Resign Dermott 2x2
Sign Byfuglien 2x1

Leafs: Johnsson
Oilers: Puljujarvi

Frees up about 2.5 million

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Borobanov-Engvall-Korshkov

Rielly-Byfuglien
Muzzin-Dermott
Sandin-Holl

02 Jun 2020 21:36:31
I would sign Dermott to a 7 or 8 yr deal if I was Dubas. He showed how well he can play this season with Muzzin and Reilly gone. Now is the time to give him a 4/ 8 or 5/ 8 kind of deal. If he plays better he wants more.

Mikheyev is a good signing imo. Better than Johnson by far.

Buff I don't see coming here.

02 Jun 2020 21:57:11
You forgot Puljujarvi. Lol. He's a RW and Leafs are very strong RW. Unless you are going to give him Kapanens spot, I don't think he will come here and play only 4th line minutes or in the AHL. He would be wanting at least middle six. I would welcome a downgrade from Kapanen to Puljujarvi if we were able to get a quality RHD in return. And maybe instead of signing Byfuglien it might be more reasonable to look at a trade involving Kapanen who could be replaced by either Puljujarvi or Barabonov.

02 Jun 2020 23:58:41
Wow overpaying mikayev we don’t even know how god he is he played half a season.

03 Jun 2020 00:25:11
Compared to turn over machine Johnson I would overpay Mikheyev in a second.

03 Jun 2020 09:08:01
Buff won't sign for 2 years at $1 mil per. He doesn't need the money tht badly.

04 Jun 2020 02:21:52
It's not always about the money IslandJet. I think you are right that Buff won't ever play again. But if he did want to play, he would gladly take league minimum to play for a contender. Just look at all the guys who have done it. Jagr, Kovalchuk, for example. Left millions on the table both, at different points in their life, Kovalchuk twice.

If it was only about the money, we wouldn't have Spezza on the team right now.

04 Jun 2020 02:46:02
The problem for Mikheyev is that besides getting hurt, he was inconsistent. He came out of the gates like a bull at the rodeo, but then disappeared for a good stretch of almost half his games.

In the limited amount we got to see him, he looked good. Do I think he is a player capable of consistently playing at a 20g/ 40pts pace for the next three years. Questionable. Assuming he gets a cushy spot beside Matthews or Tavares, he should be good for close to that. I would probably be close to that. But if he is working with Kerfoot and Barabanov I wouldn't expect that.

Why not just offer him another one year extension? Another "show me" contract. If another team really values him more, we can't outbid them anyway.

02 Jun 2020 02:46:45
Barrie, Ceci and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Hamonic D 3 years @ 3.5 million per year
Tor signs Gudas D 3 years @ 3 million per year
Tor signs Spezza C 2 years @ 750k per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW

Dallas gets
Nylander RW
Dermott D
Johnsson LW
Bracco RW

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Seguin
Mikheyev/Spezza/Kapanen
Barbanov/Engvall/Korshkov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Gudas
Muzzin/Hamonic
Sandin/Liljegren

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

02 Jun 2020 05:52:56
Off the top. of my head, the Sadie's work out close enough that it's viable. A other option for 3C would be Brooks. He is looking like he is ready for NHL action soon. Another option is to keep Kerfoot there and use Robertson on LW somewhere.

I really like both guys you sign for defense too. Both guys are good defensive defensemen and would compliment the style of our offensive guys well.

You don't have Lehtonen in the lineup though. He would be in place of Liljegren I wager?

02 Jun 2020 06:04:47
Rather keep our guys than take on Seguin.

I really like the targets in hamonic and Gudas but I believe they can both command a bit more on a slightly longer term than is offered here.

I do like the idea of adding a smaller UFA as opposed to another 11+ player in Petro though.

02 Jun 2020 13:37:26
Yeah no thanks to Seguin
Like Gudas Hamonic signings as opposed to pietrangelo.

02 Jun 2020 14:33:43
So Potentially Mathews 50 goals, Seguin 40 goals Tavares 35 goals and you mix In Marner setting everyone up like Adam Oates banking 100 assists that’s a pretty potent group

I also like Brodie as another target and I do agree that the Defensive signings probably could squeak out an extra year but I would think that’s close to real value both are heading into the later stages of their careers.

02 Jun 2020 15:05:13
I'm more against the Seguin trade because I don't think he is so much better than Nylander that you add in Dermott, Johnson and Bracco.

02 Jun 2020 16:33:45
K so Seguin = Nylander + Johnsson + Hollowell and Bracco?

Seguin without the pressure of being counted on every night will allow him to flourish in TO. Those are my thoughts.

02 Jun 2020 18:03:40
The pressure is always high in Toronto no matter if you’re on the top line or the bottom line.

02 Jun 2020 20:09:35
Interesting idea for Seguin. but what about Holl and his 2mil? Is Lehtonen not making the team? with Sandin sent down and adding Holl and Lehtonen we only have 21 roster players. and are over the cap by almost 5mil. this trade would not work.

02 Jun 2020 20:16:29
@leafs1994 you are correct but I think Tavares, Marner and Mathews will be ahead of him in the pecking order when it comes to TO media.

02 Jun 2020 21:38:21
I really just believe it's bad policy to trade away 30/ 70 top line forwards for older more expensive players. Seguin would 100% flourish as a leaf. No doubt in my mind.

I really like the idea behind bringing in Seguin as I have always been a fan of his it's just that I wouldn't trade Nylander for him.

01 Jun 2020 23:26:41
To avs Marner Holl
To leafs Makar Jost 1st 2021 2nd 2022

To nyr. Kerfoot Johnsson Dermott
To leafs Howden 1st 2021 1st 2022

Sign pietrangelo 👍👍

Robertson Matthews nylander
Hyman Tavares kapanen
Mikheyev jost barabanov
Engvall howden. Korshkov

Reilly pietrangelo
Muzzin Makar
Sandin Lehtonen

Freddy
Soupy

Look at that d and with Calder trophy winner Robertson up front awesome 👏
👍👍👍

02 Jun 2020 05:56:51
Calder Trophy winner Robertson will have some tough competition next year from Lafrenniere and Byfield.

If this year's crop of prospects (Hughes, Kappo, Dach) is anything to go by, then we can't expect a lot from Robertson next year if he plays NHL.

02 Jun 2020 06:05:21
Lol. MPH ya always make me laugh buddy.

01 Jun 2020 18:27:52
Leafs: Johnsson
Wings: 2nd

Leafs: Kapanen
Oilers: 2nd 2021, Puljujarvi

Leafs: Kerfoot
Kings: 2nd

Leafs: Holl
Send: 4th

Leafs: Rielly
Islanders: Sorokin, Wahlstrom, Wilde

Sign Pietrangelo and Byfuglien

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Wahlstrom-Engvall
Clifford-Gauthier-Puljujarvi

Muzzin-Pietrangelo
Sandin-Byfuglein
Dermott-Wilde

Andersen-Sorokin

01 Jun 2020 18:58:09
The Kerfoot trade would be fair but I don't think Buff will be signed for a cheap contract as he turned down his 2 year $7.5 mil per contract as he knew he just couldn't perform. Before people post he wanted out of Winnipeg both sides never had a bad word to say about what happened so should he feel the need to play again I expect he will want an expensive contract, not a league minimum.

01 Jun 2020 19:34:18
He did want out of Winnipeg. They had bad words lol. Maybe not before this year but when he dropped his stuff and walked out saying "he isn't sure if he wants to play" that facilitates bad blood. I'm sure that conversation did not go well. Throw in that he didn't say (presumably? ) That he needed major surgery and it's a bad situation.

Buff turned down the money because he probably doesn't care about the money. At a certain point guys like buff and Spezza just don't care about nickel and dining anymore.

I wouldn't sign Petro to a long term deal right now. He just may not be worth it soon.

01 Jun 2020 22:23:24
IslandJet what the heck are you talking about? I would say you don't know your own team, but you do know then very well. The split from Winnipeg was not amicable at all. He left in bad terms. He will not be getting a huge contract after the stunt he pulled in Winnipeg. I would be surprised if another gm wanted to work with him again. But I said the same thing about Kovalchuk when he was looking to make his comeback and still got a job in the NHL again. It is a cutthroat business. If Buttfuklien wants to play for league minimum I'm pretty sure there is a gm somewhere willing to take him on.

01 Jun 2020 22:59:00
I don’t like any of the trades but keep them coming big fella
👍

I would never recommend signing pietrangelo
👍👍.

02 Jun 2020 05:59:10
The consistent fly inconsistent mph strikes again. I love you buddy. Don't ever change. Lol.

02 Jun 2020 06:11:55
LeafsLife where do you get your information about there being bad blood between the Jets and Buff? There was none at all just an agent trying to stir up something that Buff didn't pursue.

01 Jun 2020 16:23:58
Leafs trade Marner
Rangers trade Fox, Kreider

So we drop cap, gain a very good Hyman type player, plus plug the gap at RHD.

Rangers get superstar Marner that we can't afford.

Is Kreider worth $6.5M for 7 years though?

01 Jun 2020 18:37:23
I don't think they would give up Kreider but it does give them an absolutely dominant top line. Maybe having Panarin at 11 already makes them a bit cautious.

I would definitely do this is the rangers were down though.

01 Jun 2020 20:21:54
Kappo had an underwhelming first year too. Maybe they would rather go with the sure thing. Kappo works out as a 2RW and they are still very happy with themselves.

Their first line would be right up there with the best in the league.

01 Jun 2020 20:57:39
Hard to say what Kappo is right now. Not everyone comes into the league like Mathews did. Hughes had a rough year as well in a lot of ways.

I think this trade really depends on how they see Kreider. Kreider scores more than Marner and makes less but Marner is younger.

01 Jun 2020 22:24:21
Hyman scores more than Marner too.

01 Jun 2020 23:15:02
Kreider. No thanks he will be a liability in 3 years
People on this site were bitching about wee willies contract
He is younger and better than Kreider
#signpietrangelo 👍.

02 Jun 2020 06:06:58
Hyman does score. more than Marner but both Hyman and Kreider are pushing 30 now. Big difference.

01 Jun 2020 00:38:35
To avs kapanen Engvall Dermott
To leafs jost 1st 2021 2nd 2022

To rangers Johnsson kerfoot
To leafs howden 1st 2021

This clears cap space needed to sign pietrangelo And gives us some picks in the next couple years

Robertson will make the team next year

Robertson Matthews nylander
Hyman Tavares mariner
Mikheyev jost barabanov
Agostino howden korshkov

Reilly pietrangelo
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Lehtonen
Rosen

Freddy
Soupy

01 Jun 2020 15:26:10
I'm not sure if johnsson and kerfoot land a first, aside from that I kind of like it. I'm not a fan of signing Pietro though. I feel like he will be the next doughty/ keith/ karlsson

I'd rather go after tanev, because at least if he has a bad injury we can get ltir, its lower risk%reward but we keep the money around for reilly in 2 years. If we go after Pietro we are essentially saying we are all in for 2-4 years and then likely letting are stars walk at free agency to enter another rebuild.

01 Jun 2020 18:41:55
I like this one. Howden isn't really valuable so a first isn't out of the question for Kerfoot and Johnson. Host would be a welcome addition and it accomplishes the cap savings.

01 Jun 2020 19:53:48
Randy
That pietrangelo is a tempting piece that we have longed for . he is no spring chicken either. can’t say I disagree with you though. Tanev or Hamonic may be just as wise on 2-3 year deals for less $
Thanks for the feedback.

01 Jun 2020 20:26:26
At first when I was reading it I thought you gut the depth. But then when I look at your lineups, they don't look bad at all. The only real question would be Robertson on the top line. But even if he didn't work out there, switch him and Mikheyev up, and it works out just as good.

The defense is much better. I'm not sure if Leafs can afford four $10M+ contracts though. If you sign Pietrangelo you are essentially saying good bye to at least Hyman, and possibly Reilly too.

01 Jun 2020 20:32:11
Leafs are in cap hell because they signed four guys to half their cap hit, and you want to add another $10M player to the team? That's one thumbs up. Then you put Robertson on the first line. That's a double thumbs up.

Looks like your props are about as good as mine mph.