Leafs rumours 2

04 Jun 2020 07:54:22
Dermott + Johnsson for

Sanheim + Frost

Leafs trade

Kerfoot for

Jarnkrok

Hyman Matthew Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Jarnkrok Kapanen
Engvall Spezza Barbanov
53 MM
Reilly Sanheim
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Lehtonen
17.5 MM
Anderson
Campbell
6.65 MM
Kessel 1.2 MM
Total $78.35 MM

04 Jun 2020 16:19:13
Frost is highly rated in the Flyers system and has progressed a lot since his draft year. There is no way he and a competent top 4 defenseman go for a 3rd liner and a 3rd pairing dman. I like dermott and johnsson a lot, but i think the value isn't quite equal. we might have to add a little here. good target in sandheim!

04 Jun 2020 18:55:34
Let say you add a Korshkov or a Brooks with the Dermott, Johnsson and Brooks

for
Sanheim and Frost.

Interesting nobody complained about Kerfoot for Jarnkrok.

05 Jun 2020 03:15:32
Adam Brooks had 120 and 130 points in his last two years of Junior. And Brooks numbers at the AHL level are just as good.

Frost has a lot of talent, but I'm not holding my breath in him to be a star just yet. He will likely be a good middle six player in the 40-50 point range, but I don't think he will be much better than Kapanen, who was also a 1st round draft pick. Of course this trade was for Johnsson, but he was hurt last year, so I substituted the closest thing we had on the team that made sense. Personally, I'd rather keep Kapanen (Johnsson) right now then trade him for Frost. You draft a player in Frost's spot and would be ecstatic he turns into a player like Kapanen. Because the average player drafted late first round, like Frost was, is a lot worse than Kapanen.

04 Jun 2020 05:02:51
So because I'm stubborn I'm going to do this again! Lol the definition of insanity!

Barrie, Ceci, Spezza, Mikheyev and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Hamonic D 3 years @ 3.5 million per year
Tor signs Mikheyev 2 years @ 1.5 million per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW = 9.95


Dallas gets
Nylander RW = 6.95
Johnsson LW = 3.4
Hollowell D = 800k

Tor gets
Domi C/LW = 3.15 Domi signs 1 year Arbitrary 3.95 RFA
Leskinen D = 925k

Montreal gets
Dermott D = 860k
Kerfoot LW/C/RW = 3.5

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner = 24.75
Mikheyev/Tavares/Seguin = 22.45
Barabanov/Domi/Kapanen = 7.94
Robertson/Engvall/Korshkov = 2.97
Total = 58.11

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic = 8.5
Muzzin/Liljegren = 6.48
Sandin/Holl = 2.89
Total = 17.87

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg = 5
Campbell Bg = 1.65
Total = 6.65

Grand total = F 58.11 + D 17.87 + G 6.65 + 1.2 Kessel tax = 83.83 - 81.5 = 2.33 over the cap. Now I know it's not under but I'm getting close

04 Jun 2020 08:33:57
Do I think Dallas would make that trade. Yes. Would I do it if I was the Leafs? No. It further concentrates the cap into the top four for one thing. Not surprising you are 2.33 over cap, which is pretty close to the difference between Nylander and seguins salary.

Greedy Nylander redeemed himself with his play last year. I'd rather keep him for now than trade him for an aging Seguin that has been called out two years in a row for declining performance.

04 Jun 2020 15:30:38
not really that close. still only a 20 man roster. so need to add a couple more minor contracts. cause they won't only have 20 players on the team all year especially if the new season starts right back up not long after the Stanley cup. so your still probly close to 5 million over the cap.

04 Jun 2020 16:12:49
why do we undervalue domi in every post? why would he take a 1 year deal for 3.5. He will likely be in the 5 range no?

Got to agree with the comments above - nylander really established himself this past year and seguin is aging.

(First ever post here- don't rip me to hard! )

04 Jun 2020 16:45:27
Yo losersince67 Domi had one good season 2 years ago where he scored 28g and 72 points in 81 games then he follows that up with 17 G and 44 points in 71 this season and he’s worth 5 mil plus on a long term contract? He’s an RFA with Arbitration rights that’s it.
Regardless the whole 20 man roster thing we have the contracts already on the books like Brooks and Petan so adding more new contracts not needed, I’m not saying that this won’t increase the overall cap but not to 5 mil.

04 Jun 2020 17:04:28
Domi might actually ask for 5 your not wrong there. He seems to be extremely arrogant and believes he is worth than I believe he is. 3.5 on a 1 year deal is about what he's probably worth in my mind as well.

Still wouldn't trade our cheaper, younger 30/ 70 forward for an older player though.

04 Jun 2020 17:58:50
@leafslife I did some comparisons of Nylander and Seguin
Nylander is 24 while Seguin is 28
Nylander best season was 61pts he did this twice with potential for better results in the future.
Seguin best season was 84 pts and scored 80 another season with a bunch of 70 pts seasons to his credit

Both seem to stay in the line up fairly well I would give the edge to Seguin.

Seguins contract has the potential to turn into a boat anchor but we are in prime years.
@ leaflife the funny thing is I’m marking these arguments over a player I do like but not my favourite target on this site. That will always be saved for Wilson and Kassian lol!
Speaking of which I think I might put up a Wilson/ Kassian trade to ensure I keep that trend alive and well.

04 Jun 2020 18:55:26
Seguin has better seasons no doubt but he also played more. Nylander this year showed what he can do. I think both players in their Prime's Seguin is a better player based on what Nylander has shown us this far but that's not the case. It's. more about age and if Nylander can improve to me. Seguin won't be improving though. If anything he will regress.

05 Jun 2020 13:53:15
Seguin is not in his prime anymore. Lol. He's on the back side of his career now. Most forwards peak between 22-25. So at 28 years of age, statistically speaking, he doesn't have a lot of gas left in the tank.

04 Jun 2020 04:26:33
Hearing Nesterov is coming to NHL. Leafs were linked to him earlier. It's believed Kings are the ones he is going to sign with.

We got the best defenseman KHL had to offer. I wouldn't see a need for Nesterov, even if he is RHD. He is far from 1RHD, which means he would just be another body jamming up the bottom four to bottom six (of a four line defense)

04 Jun 2020 08:43:12
Wouldn’t surprise me if Dubas signs him
Then we can trade Dermott and kapanen to the avs for byram, who can marinate in junior one more year
Gives us some cap space to resign mikheyev and old fart Spezza
#notsigningpietrangelo 👍.

05 Jun 2020 03:20:22
Or we could dump salary, by gutting the depth, say, by trading the entire third line of JKK. Then with that money we could #signPietrangelo.

04 Jun 2020 03:19:37
Leafs trade Marner
Pittsburgh trades Zucker, Marino, Jarry

Leafs trade Andersen
Vegas trades 3rd
*Leafs retain $1.5M

Leafs sign Hall

Hall/ Matthews/ Hyman
Zucker/ Tavares/ Nylander
Mikheyev/ Kerfoot/ Kapanen
Johnsson/ Spezza/ Barabanov

Reilly/ Holl
Muzzin/ Marino
Sandin/.

05 Jun 2020 03:21:54
I thought for sure this trade was going to get ripped on.

05 Jun 2020 14:24:36
you want a rip. here ya go. finish the roster off. and details of signings to see if it fits under the cap. you whose playing goal for the Leafs just Jarry? are we going with 5 D all year? When Sandin is on the ice are we playing shorthanded? does he get a partner? is that partner a defenseman or an extra forward like we are on a powerplay. what are ya paying Mikheyev, Spezza and least of all Hall. there you go. that's your rip.

04 Jun 2020 03:06:17
Leafs trade Matthews
Chicago trades Boqvist, Saad, Strome, 1st

Leafs trade Sandin, Kapanen, Johnsson
Montreal trades Romanov, Domi

Mikheyev/ Domi/ Marner
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Kerfoot/ Strome/ Saad
Engvall/ Spezza/ Barabanov
*Robertson, Brooks, Abramov

Reilly/ Holl
Muzzin/ Dermott
Lehtonen/ Boqvist
*Romanov, Liljegren, Rosen.

04 Jun 2020 08:36:40
Bold post
Where’s Marincin though?

04 Jun 2020 09:17:16
The AHL where he belongs.

04 Jun 2020 17:13:31
I heard they may actually play him against Columbus and if they do I might actually not watch the leafs anymore I played house league defends and I still could move the puck and not look like a stupid idiot out of place like him space cadet.

04 Jun 2020 21:17:00
Marincin is what he is. If injuries happen and he's thrown in can't stop watching because of it lol. He had a few mediocre games this year.

I might stop watching if Ceci plays top pairing minutes though lol. You drop the joint on that signing Mr. Dubas!

05 Jun 2020 03:26:41
I forgot we even had Ceci coming back for the playoffs.

Now i'm going to have nightmares of him playing beside Reilly. If they put him on anything more than pk plus maybe 5 minutes a game at even strength in our own zone let's say, and that would be fine. If they try to use him as an actual defenseman, and especially if they play him beside Reilly, and especially if Leafs lose again because of it, I might start watching more Jets games.

03 Jun 2020 21:48:31
Due to buffalo’s surplus of rhd and needing for scoring how about this

Buffalo: miller

Toronto: Johnson

I think buffalo is desperate and this could make their team better but I’m not to sure about Colin Miller just a thought tho.

03 Jun 2020 23:31:10
That's actually not a bad suggestion, though some may argue that Johnsson is worth more than Miller. Considering what buffalo paid for Miller, getting a roster player back in return, especially a decent one like Johnsson, could be an overpay.

On the other hand, Johnsson was hurt a lot last year and didn't play all the greatest even when he was on ice. So his value is lowest it will get.

I think Johnsson still has potential to be a 20g/ 40pt player again, whereas we know Miller ain't getting any better. Advantage goes to Buffalo.

03 Jun 2020 23:46:57
Nah he’s 27 had one good year in Vegas his first year like a lot of them on that team
So no thanks.

04 Jun 2020 02:32:27
Steroids will do that to a fella. I bet the whole damn team was on them. Two of them got caught. Not the golden year, but the following. I find it very hard to believe that all those never wases and has beens were able to put together a miracle year like that unless there was something going on behind the scenes. I'm not talking a conspiracy theory where it was rigged by the league (although that really isn't that much of a conspiracy), but something more simple. Like the whole damn team being juiced up on 'roids.

Remember when Bryan Brerard got caught by the IOC for having steroid in his system and wasn't allowed to play in the Olympics, but the NHL didn't test him, so he was still allowed to play NHL. That's more like the nefarious type situation I imagine over their golden inauguration.

04 Jun 2020 04:14:57
It’s a fair prop though I am not a fan of Miller, rather get a good defensive dman.

03 Jun 2020 04:42:26
Leafs offseason
Leafs
Dermott
2021 3rd

Sabers
Miller

Leafs
Engvall
Kakisuio
2022 3rd

Wings
Bertuzzi
2022 4th

Sign a fourth line center for 900 k to replace Spezza. Won't be that hard to find. Lineup next year. After letting Barrie, Ceci, mikhev, Spezza go. Maybe resign Clifford.

Johnson Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Bertuzzi Kerfoot Kapanen
Clifford FA signing/ Gauthier Robertson
Extras Petan, korkshov, Free argent

Riley Miller
Muzzin Holl
Lehtonen Liljegren

03 Jun 2020 14:31:08
Would rather keep Dermott over Miller. and you are not getting Betuzzi from the Wings. Yzerman said recently he plans on signing both. you're not getting him for that bunch of garbage you are trying to send back. and if ya did. you could not sign him cheap enough to fit under cap.

03 Jun 2020 18:41:25
Those trades make absolutely no sense.

03 Jun 2020 20:23:01
What brutal trades.

03 Jun 2020 23:28:08
Keep posting trades like this and I might have to take my old handle back.

03 Jun 2020 23:47:41
Yes go back to the blender leafsgm.

03 Jun 2020 03:22:49
So taking another whack at this trade so here I go!

Barrie, Ceci and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Brodie D 4 years @ 4.5 million per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW

Dallas gets
Nylander RW
Johnsson LW
Hollowell D

Tor gets
Domi C/LW

Montreal gets
Dermott D
Brooks C

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Seguin
Mikheyev/Domi/Kapanen
Barbanov/Engvall/Korshkov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Brodie
Muzzin/Liljegren
Sandin/Holl

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

So these moves probably fits the Dubas Era this team will be fast not the toughest crew I ever put together but I think they could fly!

03 Jun 2020 14:34:27
does cap space not exist in your world. previous trade did not work with cap space now your adding Domi…. you have to be close to 10mil over the cap by now.

03 Jun 2020 16:20:13
So I’m going to have to say I did not check the cap on the trade so please break it down. Here’s a quick look From my side!

Ceci = Brodie

Nylander+Johnsson + Hollowell = Seguin

Clifford + Barrie + Dermott + Brooks = Domi not quite but close.
You have to pay Dermot close to domi anyway there’s the Kessel tax 1.2 and we’ve been above the cap the whole time through LTIR. Please show me where your math puts me over by 10 million am I over sure you have to factor in Muzzin and Holl raises but 10 million over lay off the glue sticks!

03 Jun 2020 22:50:28
91 million total. youd need roughly 18 million in ltir to get under cap properly

The good news is its duable. the bad news is this offseason LTIR players will become harder to come up with as a bunch are coming off teams books.

Solid proposal. however with seguin being a party boy will he be in tip top shape when its go time. i'm scared to see how some come back after this layoff. matthews and nylander scare me also. itll be 80s training camp all over again. off season workouts will be laxed due to C-19 so camp becomes weight loss program instead of go time from the get go. guess we will all see though.

03 Jun 2020 23:35:07
You're not doing it right LHD. You have to look at who is on the team next year. Lol. Leafs have $77M in 17 players. Something like that. So you need to balance around that number. There are guys getting raises (Muzzin, Dermott, Engvall, etc) and guys just got signed (Barabanov, Lehtonen) that are not represented in this year's cap vs next year.

Deadline is over for this year. So has to go off next year's cap.

03 Jun 2020 23:36:28
It's because of how bad our cap situation is heading into next year that the Leafs are almost going to have to dump salary. Which means trading two thirds of the third line for nothing but picks and prospects in return. And chances are, we won't be getting fair value.

04 Jun 2020 02:25:50
@ Hockey lover what you said was rubbish! Lol!

04 Jun 2020 09:20:59
I talk a lot of sh*t. But don't tell anyone. It's our little secret. Fake it til you make it. If I am enough sh*t eventually Shakespeare will fall out. Or something like thag.

04 Jun 2020 15:23:14
go play around on cap friendly to figure out who is really sniffing glue sticks. your at 8.5 million over the cap with a 21 man roster. bring up or sign 2 minor contracts that gets ya o almost 10 million. do your research before mouthing off and insulting people.