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27 Nov 2020 18:43:06
Getzlaf 50% retained for holl, Brooks and engvall.

3rd line

Vesey/Getzlaf/Kerfoot

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27 Nov 2020 20:15:31
I like the deal and think getzlaf would be awesome on this leafs team. Even at half he’s a 4 million player. You only got rid of 2.125 so adding 1.875 just won’t work

Kerfoot may be better suited to be dealt in this kind of deal

Love the target.

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27 Nov 2020 21:00:44
I like getzlaf. Even at his age he still has a lot to offer a team in different ways.

I would suggest making this part of a bigger deal as the salary is so high.

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27 Nov 2020 16:37:28
Being stamkos home to t o too.

Stamkos to leafs for Liljegren, Engvall, Mikheyev, Brooks, Holl and a 2nd round pick.
Dermott to any team for a 3rd round pick for extra space.

Tavares/Matthews/Marner
Hyman/Stamkos/Nylander
Vesey/Kerfoot/Simmonds
Robertson/Thornton/Spezza

Reilly/Brodie
Muzzin/Lehtonen
Sandin/Bogosian

Andersen
Campbell

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27 Nov 2020 20:17:44
Don’t even know if leafs are under the 10% over the cap they can be after this deal

Not interested in stamkos he is the definition of what injury prone is.

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28 Nov 2020 13:59:56
You will never get an elite player, broken but still elite, for table scraps, a not the same after his injury liljgren, and a2nd round pick.

Keep dreaming big, but make things believable.

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26 Nov 2020 20:38:29
Multiple trade to make the team and cap.

NYR
Nylander 6.96

Leafs
Buchnevich 3.25
Schneider
Gettinger ELC

Rangers get another high offence winger and have the cap room to add Nylander. Buchnevich will need a new contract at end of season and Nylander is cost controlled for 4 more years.

Leafs get a lesser replacement for Nylander in Buchnevich, A top 4 projected RD and a possible 4th liner with size who is still developing.

Fla
Kerfoot 3.5

Tor
Noel ELC

Fla still needs to fill out their roster and do not want to really add a lot to their payroll. Kerfoot a solid 2/3C who gets paid less than his cap hit for all of his remaining 3 seasons and helps Fla in a place of need, centre.

Leafs get a good sized prospect who is likely a middle 6 at best, but mostly clear another 3.5 in cap space.

TB
Korskov ELC

Tor
Killorn 4.45

Tampa still has Cirelli and Cernak to sign and are already well over the cap. Korshkov gives them a possible NHL ready player on the cheap.

Leafs take advantage of Tampa's cap issues and get a SC champion who plays a heavier game and still signed for 3 more years.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Killorn Tavares Mikheyev
Buchnevich Thornton Vesey
? Spezza Simmonds

Add Schneider, Noel and Gettinger to the system while removing Korshkov. Leafs also have an extra $2.5M in cap space now.

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26 Nov 2020 22:23:05
I’m still not sold on Schneider but as a whole this deal is a great cap saver the 3 being at 3 differant stages of development (1nhl,1minor,1jr) that you’ll reack the benefits of this trade for up to 10 years so I like that.

Getting rid of kerfoot cap hit and grabbing a big bodied prospect seems like a great deal to me

Love the killorn deal. Big fan of his. He replaces kerfoot plus as a player

Leafs save close to 2.7 on these deals and adds to the future of the team. Well done.

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27 Nov 2020 00:18:00
That trades made my day. When I saw all the guys coming back, I actually started laughing. In a good way too. These are the types of trades I love.

Rangers would jump on that deal. They want to contend now. As in right now, while they got Panarin and Kakko and Lafrenniere and all those other great players. Once the ELC’s on all those prospects run out, the window of opportunity starts to close rapidly. They need to start moving out quantity and bringing in quality. This trade accomplishes that. I know you said Schneider, but unless it’s Fox, then it’s not worth it. We don’t want to weaken the team. Fox is a top 4 defenseman and is worth Nylander. The other two guys are just there to make the salary work. Trading from a position of strength to address a position of weakness is always a smart idea.

Kerfoot for Noel is a cap dump after the Rangers trade. We have too many middle six guys and we trade out the higher priced guy. We could always dump Buchnevich, but he’s a lot bigger. And so is Noel. So goodbye Kerfoot. Lol.

The Cirelli deal is a steal. Tampa is going to have to lose someone of significance, but they aren’t going to give him away to us. Lol. Is Korshkov NHL ready? I’m not so sure about that. Engvall maybe, Korshkov no.

Trying to take advantage of another GM’s cap misfortunes given the Leafs current situation seems ironic. It is of some satisfaction to see Tampa is in a bind right now. But since they won the cup, i guess they are paying the price now. I don’t underestimate them at all. They will still be a formidable team next year. The core will remain the same and most of the depth will be there again as well. Coleman, Maroon, Goodrow, and Paquette appears to have replaced at least one of Johnson or Cirelli. I don’t think Tampa parts with Cernak. They need him still.

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27 Nov 2020 12:44:40
Man that’s a tough one idk if I’d like the Nylander one but I think it’s pretty close to what the leafs would get I wouldn’t trade for Killorn but rather give Robertson that spot or go sign Hoffman to a one year deal Killorn a big body but his offence has really fallen off.

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27 Nov 2020 15:49:34
I don't think NYR moves Fox as they would be losing something of importance off of the current roster and add his cap hit to Buchnevich's, and we lose the cap flexibility and would now have to protect 4 D at the draft.

Killorn is the likely target from Tampa that they would be willing to move. At $4.45 and them being about $3M over cap already with Cernak and Cirelli still to sign, Killorn becomes expendable. Getting Korskov doesn't seem like a lot for a player like Killorn, whose numbers may have dropped off a bit, but does other things but score that we need. Getting Korshkov for Killorn and the $4.45 in cap space is likely better than getting the $5 in cap space for Johnson and have to add a high pick or prospect just for someone to take him (which they still may have to do after the trade I suggested) .

Losing Nylander is tough, but having extra cap space, more solid prospects, while adding harder to play against players to the immediate roster, makes a better team for now and the long run. imo.

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26 Nov 2020 16:44:45
To tor
McDavid
33.3% Neal retained 1.95/yr x3

To Edm
Marner
Reilly
Tor 1st 2021
Tor 1st 2022
Saros
Fabbro
Nash 1st 2021
16.7% Neal retained .975/yr x3

To Nash
Nylander
Neal(50%)
Larsson
Kostinen

Huge 3 way deal
Matthews and McDavid are in Arizona training together. No Instagram, Twitter or Facebook or any social media coming out from either player. No photos or media able to get anything from these 2. Peter Budja is only source as he is at rinkside being the netminder but even his comments are about skill of the 2 only. Matthews is a huge nba fan and loves the fact nba can create super teams. Is this tight sealed training session the start of something here.

Toronto gets McDavid and his 12.5 price tag. Leafs take on some of neals cap hit and get rid of 22.5 worth of cap leaving roughly 7 million in cap space to fill 1 forward and 1 D spot on roster. Very duable
They lose 2 1st round picks also

Edmonton gets marner to replace the playmaking for draisaitl to have. They get a top 20 D man to offset klebolm injury and gain a possible #1 goalie on a cheaper contract. They gain 4.5 million in cap space and 3 1st rounders in next 2 years

Nashville gains nylanders offence plus Larson's defence on an already great defensive team and get Neal back at half the price he left for. They get a guy to learn for a year from rinne hopefully to improve but do lose a 1st and young Dman to get all this. They have the space to afford 13 million in cap space and Neal never sold his Nashville home as he kept it because he loves the town.

Is the tight lipped training session just that or are we going to witness something special very soon

This is a Gretzky type deal but needs a cap liable team to enter as 3rd party.

Hyman McDavid Matthews
Robertson Tavares mikhayev
Kerfoot Thornton vesey
Barbasov spezza simmonds
Boyd

Muzzin Brodie
Dermott holl
Lehtonen bognosian
Sandin Liljegren

Andersen Campbell
Dell Hutchison

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26 Nov 2020 18:01:47
Doubt McDavid gets traded if Edmonton has some bad years like buffalo Mby McDavid will want our.

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26 Nov 2020 18:15:03
Only way you get McDavid is with Matthews going the other way.

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26 Nov 2020 20:41:48
This is an epic 3 way deal. As good as Mcdavid is I have to believe both NSH and EDM are tempted.

I hate losing Reilly but man does this work out well. My favorite part is the retention going 2 different ways. It's the best way to convince someone.

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26 Nov 2020 20:54:12
Now that is creative.
I really don't want to watch those shifts after the first two lines come off the ice and our 2nd and 3rd pairs are out there with our 3rd and 4th lines. lol.

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26 Nov 2020 22:45:48
Whole point of this email was the fact mcdavid and Matthews are real tight lipped and BFFs apparently.

They want to play together so together they need to find a creative solution that doesn’t involve Matthews as the return. If you read everything you’d realize that’s the only reason I posted this.

Gretzky got dealt for the better good of hockey

If we go this route
Mcdavid, Matthews and Andersen to Arizona
Keller schmaltz OEL hayton to Edmonton
Dvorak garland chycrun soderstrom kuemper

Imagine Kessel flanked by Matthews and mcdavid

Or to get both on Edmonton
Matthews to edm
RNH, kassian, bear, McLeod Bouchard

Imagine puljujarvi with mcdavid and Matthews
Or yeah draisaitl with the 2 lol

There 3 deals
1 to get both on Toronto
1 to get both on Edmonton
1 to sell and grow hockey in Arizona

So now I’m not bias and I get both together the whole point of this

Which one of 3 do you like best.

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27 Nov 2020 00:31:21
This is crazy. Lol. I love it.

My first thought was: who is going to be captain? It would be very difficult to bring McDavid in as 1C and expect him to wear the “A”. Undermining Tavares’ authority even more in the locker room, we would see a divisive situation not unlike when SJ ended up stripping Thornton of his “C”.

Leafs trade a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati for a Bugatti Voiture Noire. After this they would have the fastest most expensive car in the world, but they would have to lose all the other pretty toys to do it.

The Leafs would have even more cap tied up in their three highest paid players. The only relief comes in dumping Nylander really.

Edmonton looks to be the clear winners. They win the cup and remain contenders for a long time with all those good young players and futures. They improve massively in the back end and still have a 90+ point player coming back in return to set up the league’s current 50 goal scorer Art Ross and Hart winner. Heck. Marner might even get over 100 points with Draisaitl beside him.

But, we get McDavid. His contract is longer than Nylanders and Marner’s, so that buys us a couple more years of contention. And if you buy into the whole hockey is a strong-link game theory, then an argument can be made that having McDavid on the team would pay higher dividends than the other guys.

And maybe it would if it was just the forwards. But Rielly is too big of a loss in the back end. Muzzin/ Brodie, both on the wrong side of 30, do not seem to me a cup winning top line pair. I have faith in the bottom four doing their job competently enough. But the top pair is more important by far. And I just don’t think Muzzin and Brodie are the right combination to be running it.

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27 Nov 2020 00:49:35
I have to give credit it’s a doozy of a trade! I may have to throw my version out there and give it a try.
I agree with LL it’s definitely a doable deal but you have to bring Crazy eyes Kassian along some how. Lol! Cheers nice fantasy trade.

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27 Nov 2020 01:18:36
McD will only be traded if he wants out of Edmonton then there will be several teams lining up to make the best offer they can to get him.

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27 Nov 2020 04:55:37
How do you know he doesn't want out? You don't. You aren't in his private conversations. One more piss poor year and he may ask.

If you think edm gets a better return than that your insane. They don't. As good as Mcdavid is that's about the upper echelon of trades. Top 10 defenceman, 90 point winger, Saros, Gabbro and THREE firsts. You think someone would offer 15 1sts? Maybe 20? Maybe package up their entire roster+AHL team?

It's the most fair trade for Mcdavid they will ever get. Probably closer to an overpay than an underpay.

So how many points does a Tavares, Mcdavid, Mathews line get? Lol. 200 for Mcdavid+80 goals for Mathews?

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27 Nov 2020 10:13:28
Islandjet learn how to read

This has nothing to do with if either wants out of their respective teams. It’s about how they want to be together and start a super team like the nba can.

If they can’t be together due to cap then it’s time to influence change in the CBA.

It’s the non anything social media that is happening while the 2 train together that has a few higher up media employees getting their hanpster wheels going. I’m just adding to that wheel

This trade had nothing to do with any disapproval of either players organization.

It’s simple

McDavid and Matthews want to be on same team. Let’s come up with ways to make it happen whether in Toronto Edmonton or anywhere .

I’ve come up with 3.

2 studs who are huge in the social media world (especially Matthews) go completely off grid for 2 weeks thus far while together.

Let the rumours fly somethings up.

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26 Nov 2020 10:59:38
Tor: kerfoot 750,000 rt dermott
Nyr: Schneider 2nd

Offer sheet cernak 3x3

Fixes Dubas mistake and brings in a good rhd who is young makes our righ side stronger

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26 Nov 2020 14:06:03
Schneider not playing organized hockey for a year and with his already poor skating I’d stay far away from him
But that’s just my opinion.

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26 Nov 2020 15:11:04
He was playing in the would juniors for team canada and even so a lot of these young players can still go to Europe and play.

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26 Nov 2020 15:14:51
He’s playing for Canada at the juniors also everything I read says he’s a great skater he’s exactly what the leafs lack in defence a physical two way player.

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26 Nov 2020 15:57:39
Schneider was my choice as well. Since NYR traded up to get him, I doubt they move him unless it is in part of a big package for a more high profile player.

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26 Nov 2020 18:17:02
Idk rlf I don’t think the rangers would want another big contract kerfoot gives them a legit 3C and dermott is better than most of their left side I think the risk is more on Toronto Schneider may turn into a dud but I think he’s worth the risk.

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26 Nov 2020 18:17:14
Schneider was invited to the camp. With 6 2019 draftees probably getting the edge to make team since experience will be a forefront for this team due to time list due to the C.V.. Also with drysdale probably making team that leaves 1 spot for all the 2020 drafted players.

Schneider isn’t a lock to make this team so it’s false to report he is representing Canada. He can skate good for a bigger bodied guy but that doesn’t mean he is a great skater. Guys like Robertson and guhle (both team Canada invited Dmen) can skate better than him but he is better skater than say a Emil rasanen. Reports on big guys bro g able to skate well for big guys never means they can skate great. Just means they aren’t a pylon but aren’t elite either.

Schneider is good but not great. Leafs are signing their D once they are established and developing their forwards. Seems to be dubas way whether we like it or not.

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26 Nov 2020 18:30:05
The draft is such a contentious issue. And it can be debated either way. Unfortunately, we won’t know the results for at least a few years.

I’m going to say some good things here. Because I do actually think the draft is one area that Dubas really does excel in. I do think he is an excellent evaluator of talent, and I have faith in the Leafs scouting department. Then I’m going to end on the negative (s) .

First, the focus on older European players this year was a smart choice by the Leafs. I counted three 19 year olds and one 20 year old (he was still draft eligible because of draft was when it should have been he was still 19). Out of 12 picks, that’s a full 25% of the players who were over 18. These guys are going to be NHL ready earlier (if they make it) and won’t have their development delayed by any league shutdowns. For a team that is going to be needing to constantly replace their bottom six players, that’s a wise decision.

The other thing I noticed that I liked is the fact they went off-grid with a lot of the later round players. There really isn’t a lot of information available on some of these guys. Even HockeyDB, which is the largest database of hockey players in the world, has no information on Fusco. They don’t even have his birthday listed, so I’m not sure how old he is. By drafting these relatively unknowns, Leafs have a better chance at finding a “late round gem” like Johnsson again. Again, I think this is a smart idea. Leafs are leveraging the resources of their scouting department and trying to find an edge, which is exactly what they should be doing with so many late round picks.

Now, having said that, I am going to approach the negatives.

I’m going to beat the same drum again that I’ve mentioned before a million times. The biggest knock against these guys is their size. The average size of an NHL player last year was 6’01” and 199.1lbs. The vast majority of the player prospects Leafs drafted the last few years were significantly smaller than this. While they may still fill out a little more, these guys are 18+ adult males. Young adults, true. But still adults. The opportunity for physical development at this point is limited. A few of these guys may have late growth spurts, but will it also be the same guys that have the skill to get into the NHL? That is impossible to say. Contrast our last three drafts to Ottawa. The difference is startling.

Even if the league is moving towards a smaller more skilled player approach, this is not going to happen over night. It will take years and years before the average size of an NHL player drops to the range that Dubas seems to think is ideal. In the meantime, our prospect players are going to be battling in a physical sport dominated by much larger and aggressive players. My own personal opinion on this subject is that a player that is 18 years old and already the size of an average NHL player has less of an uphill battle.

Any issues such as skating can be coached and worked on by the development staff. I am of the opinion that it is better to draft a guy that has a weakness in his game that can be taught, as opposed to drafting someone that is lacking something that just cannot be learned. Rodion is a good example. The biggest knock against him that I read was that he seems unable to compete at higher levels, and having him be a healthy scratch this year in a KHL league that has been decimated by C.V. would seem to be a justification of this.

I hate knocking down these guys. I really do. They are all good players. And when you see a guy like Abramov or Abruzzese doing so well in their respective leagues, you have to hope they will succeed at the higher compete levels as they get older and age out of junior and NCAA. And yet. Will they?

If you are of the opinion that the draft is a gamble, and that odds and probabilities are a factor, then it is impossible to ignore the fact that realistically, the vast majority, of not all of these guys, are going to be a lot closer to Nikolai Borschevsky than Martin St. Louis. When I look at the leader boards, I see a list dominated by individuals that are not of such nature.

Dubas has implemented a skill before size approach. He is drafting smaller skilled players because he thinks they are undervalued by the rest of the league’s GM’s. They are not. I honestly believe in the free market system. And the NHL draft is as laissez faire as it gets. These guys are not undervalued. They are valued exactly where they should be - at the point where someone is willing to draft them. In this case, Kyle Dubas.

It is a display of extreme arrogance that Dubas thinks he is smarter than 30 other GM’s in the league and that he alone has stumbled across the magic formula for success in drafting for the NHL. He has not. He is attempting to game the system, while imagining that the NHL will change to support his views on how the game should be played. The NHL is not going to change for a young upstart GM that has visions of grandiosity. Dubas seems to think he is progressive and the leader of a revolution. He is not.

In order for this strategy to be truly successful, 30 other GM’s have to buy into his vision in a very short period of time. Even if he is right in the long run, for the short term, which is really all that matters when you are advertising your team as a contender and only have a limit of four years at most with this core, he is fighting an uphill battle. Anything short of immediate success with this strategy is going to be seen as a dismal failure in a league and sport that has a short term memory and can’t see past the noses on their face.

While I can appreciate what Dubas is trying to do, I don’t have to agree with it. He is both a brave man, and a foolhardy one at that. It is a massive gamble by Shanahan to buy into this plan, and it is proving to be a hugely expensive and risky operation with no clear signs of success so far. The results seem to speak for themselves the last two years since Dubas took complete control. If it doesn’t work out, Dubas will be relinquished to history along the same lines as JFJ. He will have saddled the team with expensive contracts and gutted the depth, while failing to bring in appropriate replacement players through sound drafting.

I would rather not have a GM that thinks every move he makes is a gamble. History does not favour gamblers well. The vast majority of them go broke at least once or twice before they ever hit the jackpot, if they ever do.

Again, this is how I view the situation as it stands right now. I could easily be wrong and Dubas really is a genius that is smarter than everyone else. I hope so. I really do. But at this point, it is impossible to not at least question what he is attempting and to have doubts.

Was passing up Schneider the right or wrong choice? Impossible to say because we don’t know how either Amirov or Schneider will do in the NHL. What I do know is that RHD is the hardest position to fill in the NHL. Leafs have been lacking a proper 1RHD for upward of a decade or more, and we have exactly one prospect player for that position currently. We are stacked at forwards and have a few in the system that loom like they will be successful NHL’ers of some capacity. We don’t need more forwards, unless you are pre-supposing an exodus of talent in a few years, which would be a defeatist outlook - admitting years in advance that you won’t be able to re-sign your star players and are looking at finding a replacement now.

Even if Rodion really was the best player available, how much better is he at his position than Schneider is at RHD? Most scouts and nhl departments organize prospects in tiers. It is more than reasonable to assume that given their draft positions that Schneider and Amirov are in the same tier. As such, it would make sense to me to draft an equally capable player for a position of need than to take a guy that is more of the same of what we already have.

Dubas is playing an extremely risky game not only with the team's payroll, but also with the roster. The ground is rapidly shrinking beneath his feet as a result.

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26 Nov 2020 20:01:24
@Leafs1994. Let's look at it a different way. Would you trade the 19th overall pick and a 2nd round pick for Kerfoot at 750 retained and Dermott? I would doubt it. I know I wouldn't.
Now if the deal was say Nylander for Buchnevich (who needs a new deal next year), a lower prospect like Gettinger and Schneider, I think that is the type of move the Rangers would have to consider moving Schneider for. They send out some cap, but bring in a better player then they sent out and Schneider is the only way to make that happen. Just my opinion of course.

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26 Nov 2020 22:53:09
Great read and amazing views both ways hockeyluvr. Open minded in all aspects well done

I’m just not a huge Schneider fan yet so my luck he will become a stud.

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27 Nov 2020 11:22:47
I think that was my best Dubas rip yet. Lol.

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27 Nov 2020 16:22:07
@HL-Yep, it is like you praised the turkey for eating so well and kept encouraging him to do so, right before you lopped off its head, cooked him and served him with a side of cranberry sauce.

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25 Nov 2020 16:45:17
Leafs trade Korshkov, Sapego
SJ trades Dahlen, Ivanyuzhenkov

We get a little younger and faster up front, and a lot bigger and stronger back end.

At least the Growlers would have if they were playing this year.

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25 Nov 2020 17:51:39
I mean San Jose is a dumpster fire I mean they have no depth and no prospects due to trading them all away and then payed a 33pts player more than 4.5 mil got to hurt I can see them selling some big players this year.

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25 Nov 2020 20:21:33
San Jose has a couple good young players just not many. Biggest issue they have is aging players making a tonne of money. Karlsson and Burns are the best examples.

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25 Nov 2020 21:22:47
It wouldn’t surprise me if SJ thinks last year was an anomaly still and go for it all again this year.

If they suck again this year, blow it all up before deadline and expansion draft. Get what you can and start over.

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26 Nov 2020 06:15:16
I can see that HL. Go into this year and see what they have. Come deadline either go all in one last time or sell everything of value.

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25 Nov 2020 15:43:59
Hyman/Matthews/Marner
Simmonds/Tavares/Nylander
Vesey/Bennett/Kerfoot
Barabanov/Thornton/Spezza

Rielly/Brodie
Muzzin/Dermott
Lehtonen/Bogosian


Mikheyev and Holl to flames for Sam Bennett, a Center prospect and a 3rd round pick.

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25 Nov 2020 17:38:31
Huge overpay Mikheyev before he was injured was almost a point per game player and Holl played well last year plus we don’t need anymore centres.

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25 Nov 2020 23:35:26
Is Dermott a very good young defenseman that has a bright future and I like a lot? Yes.

Is Dermott a better 2RHD than Holl? Probably not,

I can’t say decisively because I haven’t seen Dermott play 2RHD in the NHL. I have seen Holl play that position though, and I think he does it well.

What I like about Dermott is that he is excellent at closing the gap between the rushing forward at the blueline. He forces turnovers and has excellent transition play. Too many Leafs, Rielly is particularly guilty of this, allow the forward to gain entry into the zone with speed, while the defender plays a collapsing box fall back style defense. Dermott is more aggressive at standing up at the blueline and not allowing zone entries against.

Holl is excellent at both zone entries and zone exits with possession. He makes a lot of short accurate outlet passes to the forwards that allows them to exit the defensive zone and enter the neutral zone with possession. He is not known for generating offense, yet that is exactly what he does. And he is very good at it. His numbers don’t appear on the box scores. But a lot of plays that result in a scoring opportunity start from a smart play he made in the back end.

Unless, and until, Dermott (or Lehtonen) proves he is capable of taking that 2RHD spot, that spot is Holl’s to lose. We shouldn’t trade him without adequate replacement.

Bennett is a third line centre. A top 4 defensemen is more valuable than a middle six forward, and the top two pairings is more valuable combined than the top two forward lines. By weakening our top 4 defense to add a bottom six forward, it would weaken the team as a whole.

I’m not convinced Dermott can be a better 2RHD than Holl. I was impressed by both last year. They can both play middle pair defense and step up to top pairing in case of injury. But only at their respective positions. I wouldn’t take risk of losing Holl without bringing in replacement. And I don’t think Dermott is a proper replacement.

Just my two cents. For whatever that’s worth.

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26 Nov 2020 06:16:54
I'm not as much a fan of Holl as I am Dermott but, I agree on the point of who knows? Maybe Dermott is better at 2RHD than any of us imagined? But maybe he is much, much worse. I don't like the idea of trading or removing Holl until we see what Lehtonen and Dermott can do. As much as I like Bogosian he isn't a top 4 player.

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25 Nov 2020 01:59:54
Tor: Engvall Korshkov
Ott: Bernard docker

Ottawa has an embarrassment of d prospects leafs need to gain a good rhd prospect Engvall and Korshkov are two player who are nhl ready

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25 Nov 2020 14:08:35
Ottawa loves Bernard-docker. Can’t see them giving this good young kid up for 2 older players.

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25 Nov 2020 14:29:40
My only knock would be they won’t be able to keep them all and it may take more to get him who knows.

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25 Nov 2020 16:29:31
If it’s true that you build a successful team from the back end out, and “defense wins cups”, then you have to admire what Ottawa is doing right now. Because defensemen take longer to develop than forwards, it makes sense, if you can, to draft the core defensemen the first couple years of the rebuild and follow it up with the core forwards after. This way everyone will hit their peak at the same time. Very difficult to do, but not impossible.

Ottawa has the foundation in place to enter a new compete level very soon. Unfortunately for fans of the Blue and White, Ottawa should peak just as Toronto’s will be declining again. Perhaps sooner, depending on how fast Ottawa ascends and how fast Toronto falls.

Keep an eye on the rear view mirror. Those very same teams that were so far beneath us last year won’t be for long. Even Buffalo made strides this year with the signing of Hall. It might just be enough that with a hot start again, they could actually make the playoffs this year. Whether that is at Leafs expense depends on the play of our heroes.

Leafs went from finishing last in the league, to making the playoffs the very next year, to finishing the regular season with 105 points the year after that. If Leafs can do it, than any one of those guys can do it too. I assume Yzerman is going to do everything in his ability to tank the team for Wright. If he succeeds, that could be the capstone to complete the rebuild.

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25 Nov 2020 17:36:48
I agree that’s why I think and probably most of the people on here think Dubas missed big time not drafting Schneider who has a lot of potential.

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25 Nov 2020 18:59:53
That's what I was thinking as well HL. Ottawa probably wants to tank one more time after that though, they have a very good young team.

Even a team like FLA could have easily passed us this year if Bob played like a vezina winner.

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25 Nov 2020 23:19:39
Basically first 5 rounds of draft dubas drafted only players who were playing hockey at the moment of draft. Schneider isn’t and wasn’t playing organized hockey so dubas passed. Development of this season was essential for being picked by dubas is first 5 rounds.

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26 Nov 2020 02:35:43
The one thing about Ottawa is that as long as Melnik is the owner, they aren't spending to keep all these great prospects as they come out of their ELC's and want to get paid. Some really good young Ottawa players are likely to become available when they won't sign cheap bridge deals.

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26 Nov 2020 06:18:44
Very true Craiggers. I can't blame him at all this year though. If your ineligible for Europe and only the NHL and AHL are open they miss an entire year of development.

Hard to say from where I sit RLF. He's definitely up there with the cheapest owners but he could stand to make some serious money if they can turn all these high end prospects into a couple of cup runs.

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26 Nov 2020 14:10:15
True LL. But I will never forget that "interview" he oechestrated where he had a player talk with him and tried to say they were being competitive etc and wanting to win when everyone knew they were under talented and going to be horrible. I doubt he spends to keep all these guys.

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