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08 Feb 2025 08:27:49
Dallas trade Wyatt Johnson

Leafs trade Mathew Knies


I wonder who do you guys think has a higher upside Knies or Johnson

I would not make this trade if I'm the Leafs but it's a interesting question who is better now and better in the future

I have been worried that Knies may get offer sheet but there are so many RFAs out there this summer I'm not so sure he gets the offer sheet

Toronto Knies
Edmonton Bouchard
Islanders Dobson
Dallas Johnson
Jersey Luke Hughes
Buffalo JJ Pererka
San Jose Zetterlund
Ducks McTavish
Rangers K Miller
Ducks Dostal
Minnesota Rossi
Chicago Kurashev


There are actually more sone teams have a few players to deal with so it really limits Teams that can really offer sheet players

The one team to watch is Calgary who need talent in their lineup

But on a long term deal with Knies knowing big jump is coming to cap he could have the balls to ask for $9 million on a deal of 4 years that puts Leafs in spot if Calgary drop the offer sheet


The only thing that might slow Calgary down is the pile of first round picks they might have to surrender to Toronto

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07 Feb 2025 22:43:29
Rumors that Dobson could be available.

Tor: Rielly, knies

NYI: Dobson, duclair

Yes it'll suck moving knies, but, were turning Rielly into a #1 RHD who could look nice with OEL, or maybe McCabe.

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08 Feb 2025 00:42:18
Assuming Reilly would agree, which he wouldn’t, I’d keep Knies and include Minten or Cowan.

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08 Feb 2025 01:59:07
It would take a lot for me to move Knies, and this might be it.

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08 Feb 2025 03:12:32
Dobson is on LTIR
Having a miserable year
RFA after this year
Intrigued to trade for him though
RH offensive dman
PP quarterback
Plays 20+ minutes a game
25 years old
Would look nice beside McCabe


All for trading Morgan
But they can have
Rielly Cowan 1st 2026 Robertson kampf
Dobson Nelson to Toronto
Hopefully Dobson returns this year though.

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08 Feb 2025 03:24:22
I wouldn’t trade Knies. Guy actually raises his game for playoffs. I agree with building from the D out but man we just finally got forwards with heart to go and dig out a puck in the corner and in the front of the net. We have Knies, McMann and JT. I wouldn’t offer him in any deal IMO.

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08 Feb 2025 05:26:58
I wouldn’t include Knies in the trade but I would give up a lot to acquire Dobson.
I doubt the Islanders would be interested in in Reilly considering the season he has been having.
Don’t want Duclair.

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07 Feb 2025 21:59:54
Alright gentlemen, I think we have all seen and made every trade there is possibly to make. After all that I have narrowed it down to the two most realistic trades that will happen with our short money and draft picks/ prospects.

1st trade with Utah:
To Tor: Kesselring, Bjugstad.

To Utah: Kampf, Robertson, Timmins,2025 2nd rd pick, 2026 3rd rd pick

OR
Trade 2:
To Tor: Donato, Murphy (50% retained)

To Chi: Timmins, Webber, Kampf, Robertson, 2025 2nd rd pick.

What option would you choose if these were the only two realistic choices we had to get a 3C and RHD? Or is there a better option than this that fits in our price range?
I don’t think this will happen but if we go for a big time C…
Trade 3:
To Tor: B. Schenn, 3rd rd pick 2025

To STL: Kampf, Domi, Minten, Hildeby, 2025 4th rd pick.

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08 Feb 2025 03:14:12
Trade 2
But that is not enough going to the hawks quality wise.

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08 Feb 2025 05:33:08
I like the Utah trade.
It would work for both teams.

The Chicago trade would likely require a little more from the Leafs.
Especially if the Blackhawks were to retain 50%

Not at all interested in Braydon Schenn.
Schenn is 33 years old and will be 34 this Summer.
With 3 more years under contract at $6.5M per year that takes Schenn to 37 years old.
No thanks.
Looking at Schenn’s numbers they are down across the board this season and have been slipping for the past couple of years.
Not what Leafs should be looking for in a future 3rd line center.

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07 Feb 2025 21:26:13
Blues: Parayko, Schenn
Leafs: Reilly, Domi, Kampf, Minten

Cap in 13 mil
Cap out 13.6 mil

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08 Feb 2025 05:34:25
St Louis would never agree but good deal for the Leafs to get Parayko.
Not so much the aging Schenn.

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07 Feb 2025 03:51:13
Leafs Domi Robertson
Sharks 2 nd round pick

Knies is going to be tough to sign

SAN Bennett is in year 1 of 8 year deal which pays him $8.65 million

Now I get he is a Center but Knies is a better player.

Knies may go for 2 year deal which pays $ 6 million then he cashes in again when cap hits $113 million. That would do team a favour

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07 Feb 2025 11:42:33
Bennett is a free agent when this year is over .4,45 million is what he’s making in this last year of his contract.

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07 Feb 2025 12:53:05
I made mistake but when Bennett signs in free agency I’m sure he will come in @$8.5. minimum. So if Leafs don’t look after Knies I’m sure he gets an offer sheet . Stryker who would you feel more more comfortable investing 7 or 8 years x $8.5 million Bennett or Knies

I say Knies all the way he is only 22 years of age where as Bennett is already 28.

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07 Feb 2025 14:00:14
Mackin sign both and let Marner walk. If we pay a 3rd F over 12.5M we just haven’t learned our lesson, it’s like ground hog day in leaf nation. After we lose in playoffs everyone wants Marner gone and once he rips in regular season everyone wants to sign him. Let him go and worry about post season next year when we have a real chance “if” he lets Marner walk and starts building some depth on this team.

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08 Feb 2025 05:41:33
Leafs should have grabbed Bennett 3 years ago when he was available from Calgary for a 2nd round pick and a goaltending prospect.
Instead, in his wisdom, Dubas gave up a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick for Foligno.

Knies at 22 has more value than Bennett who is 28 and will be 29 June 20th about when the Stanley Cup is being presented.
Bennett will be looking for a 7 year term on his new deal taking him to 36 years old.
Not a good investment on a player turning not far from 30 who plays a physical game that taxes the body.

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07 Feb 2025 00:00:47
Connor Murphy at 50 percent
Ryan donato

Hawks are gifted
Kampf
Timmins
Robertson
Minten

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07 Feb 2025 22:07:58
I love the trade and who we’re getting but I don’t think we would have to put Minten or Cowan in a deal for these two. But very close IMO but don’t think these two deserve one of our top prospects.

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06 Feb 2025 17:09:56
How about Nick Suzuki from. MON

for

Robertson
Cowan
Minton
Salary fillers
3rd round pick

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06 Feb 2025 19:41:18
Too much for Suzuki.

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07 Feb 2025 02:13:44
Why would Montreal trade its #1 center?
Particularly for a projected 2nd line LW (Cowan), a 3rd line center (Minten) and a 3rd round pick!

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07 Feb 2025 02:31:39
No. No. No.

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07 Feb 2025 03:16:04
I'd MTL ever has a bout of temporary insanity as an organization, I say take the offer and run.

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06 Feb 2025 13:34:08
I don't see how the Leafs can really be in on Cozens, but I do think Tags is on the right track that a 3rd team would be needed.

Buf
Kesselring $1.4M(Utah)
Kampf $2.4M(Tor)
Cowan ELC(Tor)
2025 2nd(Utah)

Utah
Domi $3.75M(Tor)
Robertson $.875M(Tor)
Minten(Tor)

Tor
Cozens $7.1M(Buf)
McBain $1.6M(Utah)

Buffalo, who needs to be better defensively - gets a 2nd pair RD in Kesselring that is on the cheap and still an RFA when his deal runs out. They get a defensive 4th line C and PKer in Kampf. A top prospect in Cowan(2nd line potential) and another 2nd round pick while creating cap space.

Utah picks up a vet C/W in Domi who adds some grit and is familiar with the organization. He would replace Kerfoot in their top 6 which would be an upgrade for them. Robertson could help them with secondary scoring in the middle 6. Minten should fill that 3C 2-way forward spot moving forward for them. With Durzi and Marino, Kesselring would be their 3rd pair Rd, which they can replace internally.

Toronto gets their 3C for now and 2C for the future in Cozens as well as their 4C and likely 3C or bottom 6 winger who is a wrecking ball in McBain.

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06 Feb 2025 14:30:14
Agreed RLF
Apparently Tre is in on everything. Leafs really don't have the right pieces and 3 team deals very rarely happen in the NHL. Plus I'm reading that Adams is looking more for a veteran centre (I'm not sure if Domi fills that want) .
As for the trade, I would rather keep Minten and just not included McBain. Maybe switch Minten to Grebenkin instead, Leafs just get Cozens (plus a 4th from Utah) .

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06 Feb 2025 15:17:11
Same old story with media when it comes to Toronto. A Zamboni could be looking for a new home and they r in on it. Lol if Treliving has a brain which I hope he’s learned from his mistakes (Domi, reaves etc. ) stop trying to add and maybe subtract some dead weight. You r not winning the cup with this roster. Too many holes to fill. Clear cap and make some smart signings in FA this summer. Lots of great players available and ask your coach who he wants. You will have 28mil right now without moving any contracts a few good salary dumps and maybe a buyout or 2 and you can easily have $40mil available. Now it’s not only marner and Tavares you r thinking about but Rantanen and other great players available. 2c 1d etc. you could build a serious contender and extend your great young players like Knies. Even try and extend Mcmann b4 he asks for way more money cause he will be due a big raise if he keeps producing like he is this year next year. My opinion.

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06 Feb 2025 16:13:13
Blowhard

Treliving has just managed the store because he hasn’t had any money to play with

Dubas let Hyman and kadri go so Treliving signed Domi and Reaves he can trade Domi and demote Reaves if he wants

Treliving has done fine.

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06 Feb 2025 17:07:35
What's with all the crap Tre gets? It generally takes 3-5 years before a GM has the team he wanted.

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06 Feb 2025 23:27:00
Somewhere in that trade the leafs don’t lose any draft picks?
Sign me up!

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07 Feb 2025 02:17:36
Like the targets.
Cowan and Minten going the other way isn’t a problem, .
Leafs keeping their 1st round pick would be huge!

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06 Feb 2025 03:35:20
I'm sure everyone read the news regarding Cozens. I think Leafs would have to pull off a 3 team trade to interest Buffalo.

To Chicago
Robertson $.875M
Niemela ELC
2025 2nd (via Toronto)

To Buffalo
Murphy $4.4M
2026 1st (via Toronto)
2025 4th (via Chicago)
Kampf $2.4M
Domi $3.75M

To Toronto
Cozens $7.1M

Obviously Kampf & Domi would need to waive.

No clue whether the values make sense.

Thoughts?

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06 Feb 2025 09:24:37
So domi, kamph, Robertson, Niemela, a first and a second for Cozens? Yikes.

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06 Feb 2025 12:07:12
He’s not coming to the leafs no matter what they are saying. I’d rather give that contract to Knies.

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06 Feb 2025 12:14:07
Bob1965
I don't think it's enough to be honest.
I didn't include any of our top prospects, Cowan, Minten, Danford or Grebenkin.

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06 Feb 2025 12:48:05
I think you are on the right track with it likely need a 3rd team and one that could give Buffalo a top 4 RD. I think Buffalo would be looking for a Tanev type of D, but younger. I don't think yu are too far off on the values.
People are down on Cozens, but he is a 23 year old 6'3" centre who doesn't mind the physical side of the game and is only 2 years removed from a 30+ goal season. He is likely a 50-70 pt 2nd line centre in the future who can play both special teams. He has value despite a down year. Too much potential there to be given away.

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06 Feb 2025 12:53:40
I say at that AAV let Detroit or Montreal have him. For him to be available buffalo is regretting giving him that contract and trying to unload it, cause if he’s that good and centres are so coveted then why u getting rid of him. It’s a head scratcher.

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06 Feb 2025 14:20:02
There’s got to be a reason buffalo is willing to move him. Not breaking the bank for
Him.

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06 Feb 2025 23:58:03
He looks disinterested on the ice
Losing does that
The fresh start solution seems appropriate for him.

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06 Feb 2025 01:59:15
Toronto
Rakell

Pens
Kampf
Robertson
1st 2027
Pens retain 50 percent on Rakell

Toronto
Soucy

Canucks
Benoit
Steeves
Holmberg
Canucks retain 50 percent on Soucy

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06 Feb 2025 13:39:22
Too many years of retention for that Pitt deal to happen imo.
Not enough for Soucy and asking for 50% retention this year and next on top of that.

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06 Feb 2025 01:26:23
Toronto
McCann
Oleksiak
Tanev 50 percent retained on Tanev

Kraken
Rielly
Kampf
Cowan
Robertson
Steeves

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06 Feb 2025 13:46:54
Interesting. Seattle does seem to really like their young guy Evans in that #2LD spot. He's right up there with Dunn, Montour and Larsson minutes wise. McCann is one of their best producers consistently and they have trouble scoring. I Thin Seattle passes as it doesn't really address their needs.

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