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25 Nov 2022 13:24:46
Kerfoot $3.5M

Mikkola $1.9M

STL has lots of D-men and could use some speed in the top 9. Leafs could use a physical presence on the backend. Both are pending UFA's.

Mete $.750M
Anderson $.750M
Hirvonen $.857M

McBain $.884M

Arz gets young cost effective players. Anderson will likely get a chance to play on the big club. Hirvonen gives them a solid prospect and Mete depth on D.
Leafs pick up a big physical mid 6 forward and clear two contract spots.


1.) 25 Nov 2022 13:41:03
Yes please!



22 Nov 2022 17:31:06


Myers is their 7th/8th D-man who doesn't get alot of icetime or play every game. Holmberg is waiver exempt and helps stock the TB forward pool. Myers will get a shot to play in Toronto and brings the elements the Leafs could use.


1.) 23 Nov 2022 02:20:26
1) Myers has a cap hit of $6 million. Even if Canucks took back half (which they won’t do for a return of Holmberg), what do Leafs do when Reilly returns.
2) Holmberg is Leafs future 3rd/ 4th line center, particularly if Kampf bolts for more money than the Leafs can pay him next summer. Roni Hirvonen is a better option to sacrifice.
3) Myers is no better a defender than Holl.
4) Luke Schenn would be a better target for the Leafs as he would at least add some physicality.
5) I would prefer Travis Dermot to Tyler Myers!

2.) 23 Nov 2022 10:00:34
Should probably read again waterbuf.

3.) 23 Nov 2022 10:29:36
Myers from Tampa Bay, I believe he's referring to.

4.) 23 Nov 2022 11:44:27
Unless the Canucks have moved to Tampa Bay, I am not sure where you are going with your response WB49.lol.

5.) 23 Nov 2022 14:47:15
@Waterbuffalo49.Luke Schenn and Travis Dermott don't play for the Lighting. so would be hard to include them in a trade to the Leafs.

6.) 24 Nov 2022 00:58:00
Miss read that proposal.
Apologies everyone.
Though I would not trade Holmberg for Tampa’s version of Myers any more than I would trade him for Vancouver’s Tyler Myers!

7.) 24 Nov 2022 02:33:56
Well I think that is about as close to a "I was wrong" that we will ever see from WB49. Lol.



21 Nov 2022 13:07:50
Nash and Toronto just seem like good trade partners imo. Each should have what the other needs.

Kerfoot $3.5M
Sandin $1.4M
SDA $.767M

Trenin $1.7M
Lauzon $2M

Nash gets more speed from Kerfoot. A young D in Sandin and a waiver exempt playmaking prospect in SDA.

Toronto gets size and physicality and Lauzon can play both sides. Leafs add SDA as Kerfoot is a pending UFA while both Nash players are signed for at least one more year.


1.) 21 Nov 2022 14:13:42
I’m certainly ok with this trade and like the fact we get to see what we have in Robertson.

SDA playing well right now, probably due to being more comfortable playing against bigger players.

2.) 21 Nov 2022 18:41:05
HAY. another Trenin deal. it had only been 3 days since the last one. LOL.

3.) 21 Nov 2022 19:16:30
2 solid adds, especially Lauzon and his term.

4.) 21 Nov 2022 19:48:31
@Loxley. lol. yes, another one. Not getting Jeannot. Others are too expensive or not what the Leafs really need. I think he is the Leafs best target.

5.) 22 Nov 2022 02:56:50
@RLF. I hear ya. and i'm just bugging ya. he is your this year's equivalent to Sam Bennett from last year. which i was on board with ya as well. i am at my wits end as to what this team needs. on a big scale i'd like to see them get big names like Horvat and Dumba on D. not gonna happen and on a lesser big move i'd be happy with Soucy ( also might be tough given the Kraken's play this year) and as far as a forward maybe Athanasiou. as long as those Tyler Myers stay just rumors i'll be happy.

6.) 22 Nov 2022 17:39:08
All good Loxley. I guess Trenin is my "Bennettesque" target. Before Bennet was Weegar and in-between Bennett and Trenin was McLeod. I do get a little fixated on certain players. lol

A name no one has talked about for quite awhile that should interest the Leafs is Phillipe Myers. Just my opinion.



18 Nov 2022 14:04:09
Nash is coming on, but still needs scoring threats.

Sandin $1.4M
Robertson $.797M

Trenin $1.7M
Lauzon $2M
Matier ELC


STL is also coming on, but could use some speed

Kerfoot $3.5M

Mikkola $1.9M
2023 4th


Buf just needs help after dropping 7 in a row.

Engvall $2.25M

Murray $.750M


1.) 18 Nov 2022 16:15:51
I dunno that i would call Sandin and Robertson scoring threats. Robertson doesn't even crack our lineup.

2.) 18 Nov 2022 20:05:00
@loxley he should over Engvall and Kerfoot.

3.) 18 Nov 2022 20:43:55
@LL. Well. he already has. Kerfoot only has one goal. Robertson has what.2.i'd have to check. also not a fan of Engvall's cap hit. as for Robertson i guess i am still on the fence as to what he will become in the NHL. Wish the Leafs would play him more. let's find out if he is the top prospect people think he is or an average player who might not last long term. But at this point. we should not be calling him a scoring threat. nobody knows what he can do at the NHL level on a large sample.

4.) 19 Nov 2022 00:20:50
I’m all over the Pred deal but don’t think you’d get Matier, though I’d love him! Since Robertson is often a healthy scratch I think we would get 2 current NHL players with luck.

I also love the St. Louis trade. Mikkola has always stood out in games against the Leafs.

I can’t say I like the Engval deal. Murray, at 24yo, is not and maybe never will be ready. You beefed up the Leafs with the first 2 trades so I’d set my sights on getting a player with speed and size who can play in top 6 and not need to be on PP to score. Package Engval with Niemela and go after someone like Mantha (didn’t look at cap tho’) or Jesse Puljijarvi or Lawson Crouse.

5.) 19 Nov 2022 06:37:17
@Loxley that's all my point was.

Engvall and Kerfoot see the ice (Kerfoot top 6 mins) and Robertson is a healthy scratch.

6.) 19 Nov 2022 08:15:51
@LL I know what your point was. just don't agree with saying they are "scoring threats". who knows what they are until we see more of them. which does not seem likely as Keefe won't even play Robertson.

7.) 19 Nov 2022 13:53:45
@Loxley. I wasn't trying to say Sandin is a scoring threat, I was referring to Nashville needing more scoring and Robertson should help them. Sandin is a better puck mover than Lauzon when Sandin is playing well. I can't see how Robertson isn't a scoring threat. He just turned 21 and had 16 goals in 28 games as a 20 year old in the A. 55 his last year of junior. Point is, Nash gets two young prospects that both have shown they can play in the NHL and one may become a 20+ goal scorer.

Rsears. The Engvall deal is more about cap space and I actually like Murray as a 4th liner. He is also waiver exempt and pending RFA whereas Engvall is a pending UFA and I personally am done with giving him anymore time to play more consistently.

8.) 20 Nov 2022 00:54:00
@LL. Scoring in the A does not equate to being a scoring threat in the NHL. i am not trying to compare what Sandin and Roberton are against what we'd be getting back. my point is neither have proven themselves "SCORING THREATS" in the NHL

As for Engvall i really was not saying anything on him. but i'd trade him away for anything at this point just to save that cap space. not a fan of his.

9.) 21 Nov 2022 13:15:13
@Loxley. Matthews hadn't even played an NHL game and was considered a scoring threat. Same with Laine etc or anyone else that had proven they could score at a high rate prior. I know it's semantics, but a scoring threat is just that, a threat. I am not saying it will definitely translate at the NHL level, but lets not forget that Robertson also scored in pre-season at the NHL level. Not the same competition as regular season I know, but he is considered a threat to score everytime he plays, is he not.



14 Nov 2022 13:58:05
Other than the often mentioned Soucy or Schenn, some pending UFA D-men that the Leafs might want to inquire abut as they are on teams likely to miss the playoffs.

J. Johnson

Gavrikov likely takes a lot to acquire. Mikkola interests me as a not too high cost, physical LD that could possibly fill the 2nd pair LD position with Brodie or Lily.

Sandin $1.4M
Hirvonen ELC

Mikkola $1.9M
Acciari $1.25M

STL starts to rebuild and Leafs get more physical and find a possible 2nd pair LD.


Kerfoot $3.5M
Holmberg ELC
2023 3rd (Ott)

Trenin $1.7M
Jankowski $.750M

Nash picks up some speed and youth while Leafs get a little bigger and more physical.

Robertson would then be sent down to hopefully dominate in the A and brought up for playoffs with expanded roster.


1.) 14 Nov 2022 15:41:53
I do like the St. Louis trade because of Mikkola, a big physical LD with upside.

Not crazy about Jankowski. Can we avoid him and pull the 3rd pick?

And yes give Robertson more AHL experience with a ton of ice time that he’s not getting now.




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26 Nov 2022 23:49:15
Not something I thought I would say, but Matthews lacks confidence with the puck atm.


1.) 27 Nov 2022 12:39:26
He’s partying too hard!
Just started a rumour!



26 Nov 2022 03:21:06
Does everyone still hate Sandin? Or is he and Liljegren now destined to be our #1 pairing with their recent play?


1.) 26 Nov 2022 05:26:44
Still not a fan of Sandin's.

Lilly definitely has a future, maybe not 1st pair, but who knows.

2.) 26 Nov 2022 12:13:11
@LL. Sarcasm. Because of how many times a guy has a good game or two and now he's an all star. Robertson. Benn. For instance.
As for Sandin, we are hopefully starting to see last years version and then hopefully some progression.

3.) 26 Nov 2022 15:34:27
I’ve flip-flopped on Sandin previously, I’ll admit.

And yes he has had a couple of decent games but he is still small and slow.

I’d still like to trade him and maybe there are teams out there, especially after these last 2 games, who might think he can run a PP.

Package him someone, please.

4.) 26 Nov 2022 19:05:18
I keep seeing on here Sandin is too small. Compared to who? Liljegren is 1" taller. Rielly and Brodie 2" taller. Sandin drives play forward more than pretty much any Leaf D. He is always pushing play forward and jumping up. He is more physical than most Leafs D. Yes, it would be nice if he was faster. He was talked about on here last season before his injury as needing to be in the top 4.

5.) 27 Nov 2022 00:46:07
So it’s obvious you like Sandin RLF. That’s okay.

But he’s still a small slow Dman and that’s why I would trade him.

He has increased his value since Rielly went down and that’s good for us.

I package him with Alex Steeves, Bobby McMann and a 4th round pick for rental John Klingberg, who will not be resigned by the Ducks.

6.) 27 Nov 2022 01:49:21
Rsears. It is not so much that I really like Sandin, it is more that I don't believe in evaluating a player on a game or two. All players have ups and downs, so I don't change my opinion on a player by a high run or a low run.
Sandin's full body of work doesn't warrant the criticism he gets. Imo.

7.) 27 Nov 2022 12:45:11
Okay I’ll buy that.

Would you trade him 1-for-1 (or a small add, say Anderson) for any of the following?

Forget the cap hit for a moment.

Connor Murphy
Vlad Gavrikov
Jake Bean
Carson Soucy
Nick Jensen.

8.) 27 Nov 2022 14:35:46
My take on sandin

Might be to slow to make it as an nhl defenseman long term. Especially considering is zoning isn't great. He could learn a few things from geo about being slow and effective.

Sandin is calm and patient with the puck. This has burned him with a few giveaways but I think if he learns when urgency is important it can be a really good trait.

Everybody calls sandin soft, he lays the body a lot, especially for a swede, this is one of the often overused stories about sandin that I don't understand.



25 Nov 2022 19:48:20
So Jarnkrok now has 5 goals and Kerfoot has 1 and it took the management 20+ games to see Jarnkrok should be in the top 6 over Kerfoot.


1.) 26 Nov 2022 00:07:06
They just wanted to be sure!

2.) 26 Nov 2022 05:27:18
I'm more concerned that it took them 3 years to realize Kerfoot doesn't belong in the top 6.

3.) 26 Nov 2022 12:15:10
Rsears. LL has a better response than I could come up with. lol.

4.) 26 Nov 2022 14:41:18
Don't forget same thing happened last year with bunting and Ritchie.

5.) 26 Nov 2022 15:13:17
@Randy. Good point. Although Ritchie was more proven than Bunting was when the season started. Hard to say Kerfoot was more proven than Jarnkrok this year. I posted a few weeks back that I would put Jarnkrok in the top 6. I didn't get much support on here.

6.) 26 Nov 2022 15:36:42
I do hope you recognized my sarcasm plus my support on trying Jarnkrok in top6.
I believe I said he has a lethal wrist shot.

7.) 26 Nov 2022 18:52:39
Rsears. I caught your sarcasm and I remember you posted he had a wrister. The only response I got when I posted Jarnkrok in my top 6 was Marner4life responded thank God I am not the coach. lol.

8.) 26 Nov 2022 21:54:39
I tried to say put him with marner and matthews when they were back together, everyone just said he isn't comfortable on the left.

9.) 26 Nov 2022 23:17:22
@Randy. Jarnkrok is simply the better player. imo. I have said it all year. I also said people shouldn't get caught up in Kerfoot's 50 point season as he was a beneficiary of who he played with picking up a bunch of secondary assists. I would rather I was wrong, but I don't think I was.



23 Oct 2022 13:24:18
Sandin's best game so far. Hopefully he is rounding into form because the Leafs need him right now at his best.
Mete has been pretty good so far. Better than I expected.
I still think they need to upgrade the D, but they handled a big team(Jets) pretty well.


1.) 24 Oct 2022 01:50:44
Sandin and Lili both rounding into form overall. Great to see.

If Sandin can get a better partner (come on Severson! ) then he could have some potential.

2.) 24 Oct 2022 11:27:02
@LL. I meant because Sandin missed camp that hopefully now he has enough game/ practice to be rounding into form. Lily hopefully gets the feel right away, but not likely. A top 4 RD should be a priority.

3.) 24 Oct 2022 20:50:15
I'm not really sure what the plan is for a RHD. If someone else is acquired right then (even at Holl's expense), it bumps either Lili or Sandin to the press box.

At this point, I think a RHD is a priority as well, but Muzzin is looking expendable.

4.) 28 Oct 2022 18:00:40
is Ethan Bear not a cheap RD right hand shot for this team? He can't be worse than Holl. worst case he is younger and cheap cap hit to replace Holl next year. i think they should look into getting him. maybe send Engvall and a pick or prospect to Canes for him.



28 Sep 2022 13:06:52
With the additions of Jarnkrok, Aube-Kubel and possibly Ashton-Reese, who are all cheaper than Kerfoot, hasn't Kerfoot basically become redundant? I know I have said this before.
At $3.5M per, his average pts per season as a Leaf is 41. That is after his career season last year of 51 pts that only included 13 goals. He didn't break 10 goals in either of his previous two seasons as a Leaf.
I would figure Jarnkrok could get 40 pts if playing with JT and Willy. Even NAK should get 30 with those two.
Are there really no takers out there for Kerfoot? I would think there must be.


1.) 28 Sep 2022 13:33:51
I think having kerfoot for the season may have more value than trading him he can play any situation and can play center last I check none of the additions can play center and with jt out now might be wise to
Hold on to him with that being said he may become a prime trade asset at the deadline.

2.) 28 Sep 2022 18:15:52
I don't get it either RLF. Everyone seems convinced he's too "versatile" to trade, but he's just a winger that plays centre very poorly. Dump the 3.5 and move on n with someone else.

3.) 28 Sep 2022 21:02:12
@Goat. Jarnkrok has played quite a bit of centre through his career. More than Kerfoot iirc.

4.) 28 Sep 2022 23:43:30
Also let nylander play centre while Tavares is hurt.




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30 Nov 2022 22:43:26
The extra year on Kapanen's contract makes me cringe. I said consistency and what seems to be a sporadic engine was his problem in Toronto and nothing seems to have changed. Leafs do not need a guy who won't play hard. No one wants Nylander to go back to his old ways.




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29 Nov 2022 16:28:31
@LL. There value is in a trade for an existing contract. imo
For a pick, the other team also has to eat the contract and cap hit. I would look to trade them for players that are underutilized where that team has depth in that position. Why I said STL for Mikkola. Also why I throw Trenin out there a lot. They won't have much value for a pick alone.




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28 Nov 2022 12:44:29
I don't hate Kerfoot or Engvall. Kerfoot is one though that I have said for years on here that we could get a similarly effective player for much less of a cap hit. Last year I was told $3.5M for 50 pts is solid value. This year, not so much of that talk. lol.




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28 Nov 2022 12:41:46
I don't think Kerfoot and Engvall have no value, it just isn't as much as it was previously. I just don't see where FLA would need Engvall over Gudas atm. I'm sure they would love to move Hornqvist, but I'd rather have Engvall, especially considering cap hits.




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28 Nov 2022 12:36:14
@WB. C'mon WB49. You have used career +/ - numerous times in exactly the way I described you do to explain how a player isn't worth much. Severson a couple of times. Fischer for another, who plays on the same team as Crouse and a slightly worse career +/ -. I know you have with others when telling us how that player isn't worth the offer. If you now realize career +/ - is not a great way to evaluate a players worth (which I have said to you numerous times), then great.
What about prospects though. You say Knies has proven nothing to date and therefore doesn't carry much value. Ironically, you used to tell us how Holmberg had no real value either in trade suggestions and then after about 5 NHL games you call him the future #3C for the Leafs and is worth more than NHL players he is mentioned in trade suggestions. Knies has 4 Olympic games under his belt with 2 pts. Isn't that kind of similar experience to Holmberg having played 5 NHL games (Yes, I know he now has 8 games)? Maybe like career +/ -, saying because a player has no NHL experience isn't the best way to evaluate their worth. Before Matthews had played an NHL game, teams would have traded lots for him nonetheless. Teams are reluctant to give up "unproven" potential unless the return is too much to say no to. Just sayin.





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29 Nov 2022 23:17:31
A better question. Does anyone think as long as Dubas is in charge that size will be added T the sacrifice of speed and so called skill or Harvard smarts?
Personally I thought this past summer we would see change and instead, Dubas reverted farther back towards his original plan. Not one player signed was over 6'. I like Holmberg, but he is another player that brings the same skillsets that the Leafs already have. Dubas has his vision, and I don't think it will change.




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29 Nov 2022 16:40:04
Agreed on most of it. I still see mostly stretch passes though, biut downlow support has been much better. I will give a shout out to Nylander as well. He has played with more compete regularly this year and is producing.
We all know I like Trenin, McLeod, McBain etc. I have also mentioned Rasmussen in the past and still think he has another level he could reach.
As good a team game the Leafs have played, I still believe we aren't big enough. Did everyone notice how the Leafs were dominated by Detroit's huge 3rd line? The Leafs still struggle against big, physical lines and teams. The playoffs will have many of those.




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28 Nov 2022 22:12:07
@LL. Agreed. I wasn't suggesting every night for Simmonds. He will need some games off, but more than he is playing I feel he has earned.




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28 Nov 2022 22:11:01
@LL. That crossed my mind as well, but being on a winner on the 3rd line can get a pretty big payday as well, if you produce of course. There is merit to what you suggest if money is the most important thing to Kerfoot.




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28 Nov 2022 12:52:12
The NHL site I believe has his "official" height and weight. Not that that means it's accurate. lol.