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06 Feb 2025 13:34:08
I don't see how the Leafs can really be in on Cozens, but I do think Tags is on the right track that a 3rd team would be needed.
Buf
Kesselring $1.4M(Utah)
Kampf $2.4M(Tor)
Cowan ELC(Tor)
2025 2nd(Utah)
Utah
Domi $3.75M(Tor)
Robertson $.875M(Tor)
Minten(Tor)
Tor
Cozens $7.1M(Buf)
McBain $1.6M(Utah)
Buffalo, who needs to be better defensively - gets a 2nd pair RD in Kesselring that is on the cheap and still an RFA when his deal runs out. They get a defensive 4th line C and PKer in Kampf. A top prospect in Cowan(2nd line potential) and another 2nd round pick while creating cap space.
Utah picks up a vet C/W in Domi who adds some grit and is familiar with the organization. He would replace Kerfoot in their top 6 which would be an upgrade for them. Robertson could help them with secondary scoring in the middle 6. Minten should fill that 3C 2-way forward spot moving forward for them. With Durzi and Marino, Kesselring would be their 3rd pair Rd, which they can replace internally.
Toronto gets their 3C for now and 2C for the future in Cozens as well as their 4C and likely 3C or bottom 6 winger who is a wrecking ball in McBain.
1.) 06 Feb 2025 14:30:14
Agreed RLF
Apparently Tre is in on everything. Leafs really don't have the right pieces and 3 team deals very rarely happen in the NHL. Plus I'm reading that Adams is looking more for a veteran centre (I'm not sure if Domi fills that want) .
As for the trade, I would rather keep Minten and just not included McBain. Maybe switch Minten to Grebenkin instead, Leafs just get Cozens (plus a 4th from Utah) .
2.) 06 Feb 2025 15:17:11
Same old story with media when it comes to Toronto. A Zamboni could be looking for a new home and they r in on it. Lol if Treliving has a brain which I hope he’s learned from his mistakes (Domi, reaves etc. ) stop trying to add and maybe subtract some dead weight. You r not winning the cup with this roster. Too many holes to fill. Clear cap and make some smart signings in FA this summer. Lots of great players available and ask your coach who he wants. You will have 28mil right now without moving any contracts a few good salary dumps and maybe a buyout or 2 and you can easily have $40mil available. Now it’s not only marner and Tavares you r thinking about but Rantanen and other great players available. 2c 1d etc. you could build a serious contender and extend your great young players like Knies. Even try and extend Mcmann b4 he asks for way more money cause he will be due a big raise if he keeps producing like he is this year next year. My opinion.
3.) 06 Feb 2025 16:13:13
Blowhard
Treliving has just managed the store because he hasn’t had any money to play with
Dubas let Hyman and kadri go so Treliving signed Domi and Reaves he can trade Domi and demote Reaves if he wants
Treliving has done fine.
4.) 06 Feb 2025 17:07:35
What's with all the crap Tre gets? It generally takes 3-5 years before a GM has the team he wanted.
5.) 06 Feb 2025 23:27:00
Somewhere in that trade the leafs don’t lose any draft picks?
Sign me up!
6.) 07 Feb 2025 02:17:36
Like the targets.
Cowan and Minten going the other way isn’t a problem, .
Leafs keeping their 1st round pick would be huge!
04 Feb 2025 13:29:30
3 moves for the leafs. No rentals coming back.
LA
Kampf $2.4M
2026 3rd
Tor
Spence $1.5M
4th line centre and a pick for offence upside 3rd pair RD.
Nash
Reaves $1.35M
Holmberg $.8M
Cowan ELC
Tor
Sissons $2.86M
L'Heureux ELC
Leafs get bottom 6 physical players with some scoring abilities. Nash takes on Reaves contract and get a youngish bottom 6 forward and a high end prospect
Utah
Robertson $.875M
2025 2nd
Tor
McBain $1.6M
Utah gets some scoring upside and another pick for their typically 4th line player whose offence has dried up over the past 25 games.
1.) 04 Feb 2025 18:34:17
Nashville take that trade all day long. such a stupid offer.
2.) 04 Feb 2025 19:27:58
Well Calvo, that may be how you feel.
I am sure you didn't, but if you consider L'Heureux was taken 27th overall in the 2021 NHL draft and Cowan 28th in the 2023 draft, it's not like they were viewed as 18 year olds as Cowan vastly superior.
L'Heureux has already proven himself in the AHL at almost a point per game and having a very solid rookie NHL season at 21 years old, takes the body, will fight and has offensive ability compared to - well, what has Cowan done so far at the pro level? Oh yea, nothing. He will be 20 in May and hasn't really even gotten a sniff at the NHL level. Nor has he been very good on the world stage of best against best. 2 World Juniors with only 5 pts in 10 games.
Add that Sissons is signed for one more season and better than Holmberg and Reaves combined, not sure how it is stupid. Unless you are one of those guys that think Cowan is going to be an NHL All-star. NHL stars typically have better than a max 34 goal season in Junior. For instance, even Marner had 44 and 39 seasons and he is a playmaker first. Max Domi had a 39 goal junior season, again a playmaker.
I have Cowan as a ceiling as 2nd line player in the NHL, not a star.
3.) 04 Feb 2025 23:33:17
Like the trade for Spence, although I admit I know nothing about Spence, defense depth right handed is positive
Dumping Kampf creates cap space which at 2.4 I’m all for
Like the trade for McBain I think he has more to give offensively than what he has shown
Big body and a Center
I think in a previous post you mentioned the qualities of sissons, thanks for that
LHeureux is a nice add especially against the knobs from Florida, I like his game, I also think he can give more offensively
Im curious what the other GM’s think of Cowan
I have him as a max second line NHL winger
I think he ends up as a solid third liner that can be a grade one Penalty killer and can move up the lineup in case of injuries, 15 goals a year type
Solid post
I doubt tredeadthing does any of this
I’m really starting to not appreciate him.
02 Feb 2025 16:15:09
LA
Kampf $2.4M
Timmins $1.1M
Robertson $.875M
Tor
Jeannot $2.67
Spence $1.5M
LA needs a 4th line centre and some bottom 6 scoring help. Kampf and Robertson can provide that. Timmins is a depth D for them and helps cover the lose of Spence on the right side. With Clarke and Doughty on the right side, Spence could be expendable.
Toronto picks up Jeannot, who can take a regular shift where Reaves can't. Spence adds an offence minded puck mover on the right side. He is undersized, but pretty solid defensively.
1.) 02 Feb 2025 18:34:02
We need a center
Can’t see them trading one.
2.) 02 Feb 2025 18:45:17
Why not make a better pitch and get Clarke.
3.) 03 Feb 2025 12:00:56
Because I don't think Clarke is available. Spence might be.
31 Jan 2025 13:17:25
Something different
Ana
Reaves $1.35
Cowan ELC
Niemela ELC
Tor
Johnston $1.1M
Luneau ELC
2 big prospects being swapped (Luneau/Cowan)
Anaheim suffers from lack of offence. Cowan will help that when he is ready. Reaves is a contract dump basically, but he may see the ice more often in Anaheim than Toronto. Niemela is a lesser RD than they trade but gives them an RD prospect in return.
Leafs get a 4th liner that is tough and an upgrade on Reaves. Luneau is the top 4 point producing RD that the Leafs have wanted for a while. He could probably be called up to play now, but is waiver exempt.
1.) 31 Jan 2025 16:09:34
RLF. I haven't been following Luneau in a while, but I noticed he's back to playing in the AHL getting some more seasoning (after all he just turned 21 a couple weeks ago) .
Are they still as high on him or have expectations gone down?
2.) 31 Jan 2025 17:17:31
Tags. He had that leg infection that kept him out almost all last year. He made the team at the start of the season, but was a bit behind from not playing. Down in the A, he's put up 22pts in 27 games on the worst team in the Pacific. He just put up 12 pts in his last 5 games. I think he is starting to find his stride again.
Anaheim is simply stocked with young D talent. I would think having Cowan and Sennecke (who they drafted) as high end forward talent, would be enticing. Add them to Gauthier, McTavish and Carlsson and Anaheim is well on their way through the rebuild.
3.) 31 Jan 2025 18:02:03
RLF. Leafs desperately need to add some young blue chip stock to their aging defense core.
I guess this is something more for next season, so hopefully they can trade Rielly in the off season and replace him with Pettersson to play along side with Luneau.
McCabe - Tanev
Pettersson - Luneau
OEL -?
See some good potential there.
4.) 31 Jan 2025 18:05:23
And yes, I forgot about that leg infection. So it definitely paused his development, good to hear he's succeeding nicely in the AHL.
5.) 31 Jan 2025 19:02:17
Tags. If Leafs could add Pettersson and Luneau, that would fit in nicely. Especially with the ages of Tanev, OEL and McCabe over 30. Then you would have Pettersson, Benoit, Myers and Luneau under 30, with Danford, Chadwick, Rafai, Webber etc developing.
6.) 31 Jan 2025 20:39:10
Looks like Niemela is the forgotten man. I don't even think he has much trade value.
29 Jan 2025 15:48:31
Would Rielly waive to join his buddy Dubas?
Pit
Rielly $7.5M
Tor
Pettersson $4.025
2025 1st(top 5 protected)
Pit gets a top 4D that Dubas is very familiar with that has term.
Leafs get a replacement for Rielly on an expiring contract and a 1st because of that. They also get $3.5M in cap space while keeping all of their picks/prospects.
1.) 29 Jan 2025 16:24:02
RLF. I love, love this deal if Rielly waives & Dubas agrees. But I don't think they give us a 1st. We should, however, get the better of their 2026 2nd round pick & also their 2025 3rd.
If this deal goes through, I would then push for Walman as well for our PP. I made a prop for Walman with retention, but now we wouldn't need any.
So add
Walman $3.4M/ 2yrs for Robertson & 2025 2nd.
Pettersson - Tanev
Walman - McCabe
OEL - Hakanpaa/ Myers/ Timmins.
2.) 29 Jan 2025 18:43:56
That's an interesting one. I would say Pitts doesn't want another puck mover, but the target is perfect. Dubas wants puck movers exclusively it seems.
3.) 29 Jan 2025 20:36:39
Tags. You may be right, maybe a 1st is too much, but we know Dubas doesn't mind giving up 1st's to get who he wants.
LL. I was figuring since Pettersson is a pending UFA and Rielly has term, with Dubas knowing Rielly well, he would make the swap.
4.) 30 Jan 2025 01:27:24
Marcus Pettersson is a better defenseman than Morgan Reilly so I am unsure as to why Penguins, whose goal is to get younger by trading for draft picks and prospects, would ever want to acquire Reilly at 30 years old with 5 years left on his contract, let alone add their 1st round pick pick to the deal.
I fail to see any value in this deal for the Penguins.
They would merely be doing the Leafs a huge favor!
5.) 30 Jan 2025 13:35:27
WB49. Pettersson is better this season. Sure, I grant that. Here is why Dubas might. Do you think Pettersson is going to re-sign with Pitt when they are on a somewhat rebuild or would he more likely re-sign with a team like Toronto that are contending?
Yes, Dubas could trade him for picks/ prospects, but Dubas has also said that he owes Sid/ Gino/ Letang a good team now. Rielly, with the way he skates has years of good hockey left in him. It's a down season for him, if he rebounds, Dubas gets a top pair D who is cost controlled for a guy that wasn't likely to re-sign anyway. Top pair D cost a lot to acquire. In my scenario, Dubas gets one for a UFA he wasn't re-signing and a 1st. Not getting a top pair D with term for a 1st alone normally.
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09 Dec 2024 19:59:41
Matthew Wood, Nashville's 15th overall pick in 2023 remains unsigned. This is a guy I had wanted the Leafs to target. Not sure if there is anything to him not being signed yet, but not common for a high draft pick to go this long without being signed.
Leafs should be looking into it if there is. Big, right shot power forward that has been playing against men in the NCAA the last 3 years and only 19. Playing for Team Canada at the juniors. Looking forward to watching him and Rehkopf.
1.) 09 Dec 2024 20:43:10
Agree!
Now how do we get him?
2.) 09 Dec 2024 21:07:24
If he isn't signed because he doesn't like it there I would definitely inquire. What would the price be? 1st+Minten would be my assumption as they are desperate for anything resembling a centre.
3.) 09 Dec 2024 22:47:49
LL. That's probably a solid offer. As you said, C is a weak spot for the future. They are an older team as it is. They have Svechkov and Edstrom that may work out as C's, but not much else as far as I know. Minten is probably a bit ahead of Svechkov as far as a developed C.
Good prop. Now, would you do it?
4.) 09 Dec 2024 23:55:23
@RLF I'm not sure if I would. Leafs have zero centre depth coming up as well and need a middle six C within a year or two.
5.) 10 Dec 2024 13:09:19
I know you didnt ask but that’s too rich for me for an unproven player PLUS we need help now!
6.) 10 Dec 2024 13:36:59
LL. I'm with you. I am not sure I would do it either. That's how I knew it was a good prop - because I am having trouble deciding whether I would or wouldn't.
7.) 10 Dec 2024 13:47:14
Rsears. True, he is unproven. That said, Wood is putting up McGroarty type numbers this year in the Big10. McGroarty went for another former 14th overall pick (Yager - 1 year younger) . Minten and a probable late 1st, I figure should be fairly equal value to a 14-15th overall selection.
Although I am leaning toward that I wouldn't do it either as I think Minten is likely a 3C at the NHL level, but his hockey IQ and two-way gives him a 2C ceiling imo.
8.) 10 Dec 2024 18:56:11
Good target but I would have to imagine Barry isn’t trading prospects unless they don’t wanna be there but if minten is involved I think they bite but that also hurts the leafs I advocate for the leafs to try and pluck some good prospects out of other organizations especially if they don’t have the draft capital.
9.) 10 Dec 2024 19:43:53
I see Minten as a 3C player as well.
Smart enough player with decent size and some physicality and a good writer but IMO needs more speed and quickness.
29 Oct 2024 17:55:31
It's only one game, but Leafs played much close to the way they did for the first 6 games, which is a positive. Special teams are killing them though.
One big question I have is; Did anyone miss Robertson? I didn't. I thought the team looked better without him. As I have always said - we don't need another small forward. He had 1 point in 9 games. a meaningless goal he scored in an out of reach game. I know it's only one game, but just solidified my thoughts on him even more.
As much as it is past time to move on from Lily, Robertson is past his due date as well.imo
1.) 29 Oct 2024 18:18:56
Agreed RLF, Robertson looked great in the pre-season where you're not playing against full NHL roster's.
Best before date for Robertson & Lilegren are past due.
I think Kampf gets moved as well, he's playing on the 3rd PK unit. Leafs look like they're trying to slowly weed him out. Dewar or Holmberg can replace that 4C position at a much lower cap hit.
2.) 29 Oct 2024 18:44:00
Tags. I still think Kampf is useful. I noticed when he was out.
I have never been a fan of either of the other two as I didn't see the upside others did in Liljegren or Robertson, as you know.
3.) 29 Oct 2024 19:22:06
RLF I did give Lily move runway, but alas, he hasn't progressed any further than a bottom pairing D.
I'm fine teading Kampf if Tre can somehow covert Lily, Robertson & Kampf into Bjugstad. Bjugstad may be the perfect 3C, Right Handed, PK's and only has 1 year left on gis $2.1M AAV, which won't block Minten next year.
In removing Kampf, I would still keep Jarnkrok. Leafs would have more than enough cap space for a 23 man roster.
Knies Matthews Marner
Patches JT Willy
Domi Bjugstad McMann/ Jarnkrok
Dewar Holmberg McMann/ Jarnkrok
Lorentz
Rielly OEL
McCabe Tanev (love this pairing)
Benoit Hakanpaa
Timmins/ Myers
Stolarz
Woll
More than enough cap space. I think this is a good direction to take IMO.
4.) 29 Oct 2024 19:26:14
Oh, and waive Reaves.
5.) 30 Oct 2024 08:49:25
Agreed RLF. No interest in Robertson.
25 Oct 2024 00:50:15
They managed to play 6 games of physical hard work hockey and the last 2 are back to the old ways. No hits. No finishing checks. Lots of poke checks and skating around without really accomplishing anything. 2 periods into the St. Louis game atm.
10 Oct 2024 17:40:26
I read the posts about last nights game. This probably won't be popular from what I've read, but here is my takeaways.
1. I would have McMann in over Robertson. McMann, Holmberg and Patches looks like a solid 3rd line. I don't put much stock into what Robertson did in pre-season. He did what he needed to earn a spot and good on him. But should be traded.imo Too many of the same types of players on this team upfront still with him in the lineup. McMann's size, speed and defensive responsibility are needed.
2. Finally! I didn't see any whining from players to the refs during gameplay. No Marner whining and screaming. That was actually my biggest takeaway on the night. NO WHINING!
3. I liked the way they played. Defensively they got better as the game went on and offensively the same. They didn't bury any chances. It happens sometimes. They are still adapting, but played more North/South for the most part.
4. The stretch pass is pretty much gone and I couldn't be happier.
5. They didn't get pushed around. Another positive. They are bigger and heavier. They took the physicality to Montreal. It was the other way around last season. Xhekaj wasn't running everyone like he used to.
6. I like our goaltending. I've wanted Stolarz on the leafs for years. Not Stolarz fault for the loss. Credit to Tree for also signing Murray and not trading Hildeby when teams were inquiring about him.
7. D-core is bigger and meaner. Big plus. Lets get Myers in there over Timmins. Myers is another guy I've wanted to be given a shot here for a while.
We generated 48 shots. You normally win those games when you only give up 27.
They look more like a playoff style team to me and I like what Berube has done with the culture so far.
1.) 10 Oct 2024 23:05:27
Liljegren Robertson Kampf
Jackets for Monahan plus a 5th
Flames for Coleman plus a 3rd
Sharks for Kunin plus a 2nd
McMann LW insert name above Pacioretty RW.
08 Oct 2024 12:46:52
Below, I had a question about the rules for claiming a player at this time of year. I thought there was something about not being able to send the player down if a team claims him.
This is what I could find, but can't say if it is accurate.
If the waiver claim is made before November 1st of the hockey year, then the NHL standings from the previous year will be used, again with the lowest team in the standings getting first priority.
The team who gets the players has two obligations:
1.They must take on the entirety of the players contract.
2.They must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
The team winning the claim cannot simply put the players into the minors but must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
What you will often see happen is that a player will get put on waivers not be claimed and then traded a few days later. Why would a team not claim a player they could get for free and instead trade for him only a few days later?
The main reason would be salary cap implications. A team has to claim the entirety of the player's contract and they often will not have enough cap space to fit the player onto their roster. Therefore, they need to trade a player from their organization or have the other team take on some of the player's salary to make it work with their salary cap.
Anyhow, not sure if that helps anyone, but I thought there was something about not being able to send him down if you claim him now. Seems it may be an issue.
1.) 08 Oct 2024 14:54:22
Interesting!
I knew that the team acquiring a player from waivers needs to have enough cap space to fit the contract and that the player must be added to the team immediately.
I didn't know that said player has to remain on the roster for the entire season. It definitely makes it more of a risk to pick someone up from waivers.
Do you know if the team can put this player on waivers at a later date if he's not working out?
2.) 08 Oct 2024 16:58:25
I was under the impression they couldn't be waived for 30 days not for the year.
3.) 09 Oct 2024 18:36:17
@Randy that's always been what I heard as well. They cannot be claimed for 30 days after clearing waivers and if claimed, cannot be sent down without clearing waivers again by the new team.
07 Feb 2025 12:27:49
Clarky, I am pretty sure Miller is playing some C in NY. He's taken 31 draws over the 3 games. He seems to be splitting the C duties with MZ. Seems they prefer to load up the top two lines as they work Miller in. Assuming they do not go with those 3 as all centres, Cozens would be the 3 C if they got him.
06 Feb 2025 13:51:27
Rangers are pretty weak down the middle, so can't see them getting rid of one of their top 2 centres. I could see them in on Cozens if he is actually available.
06 Feb 2025 13:46:54
Interesting. Seattle does seem to really like their young guy Evans in that #2LD spot. He's right up there with Dunn, Montour and Larsson minutes wise. McCann is one of their best producers consistently and they have trouble scoring. I Thin Seattle passes as it doesn't really address their needs.
06 Feb 2025 13:39:22
Too many years of retention for that Pitt deal to happen imo.
Not enough for Soucy and asking for 50% retention this year and next on top of that.
06 Feb 2025 12:48:05
I think you are on the right track with it likely need a 3rd team and one that could give Buffalo a top 4 RD. I think Buffalo would be looking for a Tanev type of D, but younger. I don't think yu are too far off on the values.
People are down on Cozens, but he is a 23 year old 6'3" centre who doesn't mind the physical side of the game and is only 2 years removed from a 30+ goal season. He is likely a 50-70 pt 2nd line centre in the future who can play both special teams. He has value despite a down year. Too much potential there to be given away.
07 Feb 2025 12:32:56
Kind of a meh game all around. I hope they stick with this for a stretch of games to see how it works. Then if they can get a 3C upgrade, they have lots of options for the bottom 6.
06 Feb 2025 20:45:18
Exactly Tags. Fix that 3C spot and that looks like a potent lineup to me.
06 Feb 2025 13:36:11
McMann keeps working at his game and keeps getting a little bit better as the season goes along. Too bad Dubas and Keefe didn't give him a real chance earlier.
06 Feb 2025 02:40:36
Clarky. No offense, but that is complete garbage. Leafs have never tried those combinations a bunch of times and saying they have never produced a point the odd shift it has been tried is completely false.
They have used a loaded line for a shift after a penalty kill and they have produced. Was it every time, of course not, no line does.
There is no guarantee that putting Matthews, Marner and Nylander on three separate lines will create more offence or make the team more balanced or dangerous. Talented guys want and need icetime. Playing them all 16-18 mins a night isn't likely to equate to good production nor does it create hard matchups for the opposing coach. Which line gets the offensive zone starts the most? Which gets the most defensive starts? Etc etc.
05 Feb 2025 21:49:56
Knies was a steal for sure. What about Hughes, Guenther, Power for example? Beniers and McTavish have been quite good. Can't look past the fact that Knies gets to play with Matthews and/ or Marner a lot. A lot of other guys on the draft board don't have that kind of talent around them.