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07 Dec 2023 16:48:56
I had mentioned a Nylander trade to Anaheim in the past where the Leafs got back Tristan Luneau(well before he played an NHL game) as part of the package. I understand most didn't know who he even was or anything about him, so I got roasted a bit. As I said then and still think now, I think this kid is going to be a really good top 4 RD. Would love the Leafs to get him.
Ana
Nylander $6.96M
Liljegren $1.4M
Tor
Lyubushkin $2.75M
Luneau $.897M
Perrault ELC
Anaheim gets Nylander with the cap space to re-sign him and Liljegren who will be an RFA repalces some of the RD depth lost.
Toronto gets a physical D in Lyubushkin and a potential partner for Rielly in Luneau for years to come. Perrault is a 21 year old scoring RW that is obviously behind Terry and players like Vatrano, Gaucher and Colangelo that he has to beat out for top 6 minutes. He would get a better chance in Toronto.
I know, seems like a lot from Toronto's side, but I am looking at cap space and what I think these two young players from Anaheim will turn into. Gives Leafs two cheap NHL players. One a top 4 RD, the other a potential top 6 RW with speed and scoring ability. I am not convinced that this is the year to "go for it".
1.) 07 Dec 2023 17:32:27
HUGE overpay by the leafs. Lybushkin is third pairing D.
2.) 07 Dec 2023 18:29:02
CKPS
I am going to have to assume that you just looked at the trade and read none of what I wrote as I addressed your posted opinion already.
3.) 07 Dec 2023 18:38:44
Yes I read it. Leafs are not building for the future. What are you gonna do with the cap space? Pay someone to replace Nylander .
4.) 07 Dec 2023 18:45:34
I think that’s a tough one the kid would almost have to be a sure thing to be moving him for a high end guy like willy.
5.) 07 Dec 2023 18:58:21
I'm on the fence here.
I like adding Boosh as a rental and some really prospects, but it doesn't help right now.
I'd probably do it for the cap savings though.
6.) 07 Dec 2023 18:58:44
hat are those signings lmao.
7.) 07 Dec 2023 20:05:48
CKPS. Luneau is in the NHL right now at 19. Playing on a poor team and he has played well enough that recently he is getting time on the top pair with Fowler. He's 6'2" 190lbs. Skates very well. His game suits the Leafs style of play. He would likely play for the Leafs this year as would Lyubushkin. Perrault is progressing really well, but most of the year will likely be in the minors.
You said what to do with the cap space. Since the Leafs haven't traded any prospects or picks in this trade, yes, they can chase a Nylander "replacement" that would be cheaper than Nylander to keep allowing cap to go elsewhere. I'd prefer younger/ ish with term if possible. Konecny, Marchenko, Raddysh for instance. Crouse plays either wing.
Goat. My opinion. Luneau is a sure thing for top 4. I think Perrault will make it as a top 9F as well. Also be kind of cool to have Yannick's kid on the team.
LL. As I said, I am not convinced this is the year. If the Leafs also make a move for a RW with term, think of next season and moving forward. Without a trade even, $34M in cap space to fill out the team with below already in place.
Matthews, Marner, JT, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves and Knies signed. Holmberg, Minten, Cowan Perrault signed. Gregor, Robertson, Steeves RFA's.
On D. Rielly, Luneau, McCabe, Timmins signed. Benoit and Lajoie RFA's
Goal. Woll, Hildeby signed.
Look at re-signing Bertuzzi and possibly Domi if the money is right. Probably around what they are getting this season. Then 7 top 9 NHL forwards signed. 3 top 5 NHL D signed. 1 NHL goalie signed. $26M to fill out the rest or make a trade using some of the assets. Assuming they re-sign Gregor, the 4th line is set as well.
8.) 07 Dec 2023 20:12:22
@RLF. don't know them. but I trust your judgement RLF. other than Boosh this seems like a re-build or at worse a step back from wanting to win this year. Which is probly why I always go back to wanting Konecny. a guy that can make up the offense we loose with Willy but gives us a little cap space from Willy's contact compared to Konecny
I find this deal would take away offense from a team that already struggles to score.
9.) 07 Dec 2023 22:40:58
Get Perrault cuz his dad played here and that’d be “cool”. Ridiculous. They got max domi cuz his dad played here and that ain’t working out well.
10.) 07 Dec 2023 22:56:50
CKPS.
When did I say get Perreault cause his dad played here? What's ridiculous is claiming I said that. I said if the trade happened, it would also be cool that Yannicks kid would be a Leaf. That's a far cry what you claim. Not my fault you know nothing about Luneau or Perreault, which is obvious by the fact that you only mentioned Lyubushkin being a 3rd pair D-man and had no take on the two prospects. You don't like the trade, that's fine. But at least quote me accurately.
BTW I never wanted Max Domi here, but I would bet you are one of the few who would say it hasn't worked out very well.
11.) 07 Dec 2023 23:06:49
@CKPS Domi was signed because he has a bit of an edge to his game and wanted to play here.
What's wrong with Domi anyway? He's been better than I expected.
12.) 08 Dec 2023 01:06:54
He’s not ready now come on you’re smarter than this.
Anaheim want zellweger and Hinds to play minutes and dominate and the fact they can then they will. The Russians are joined at the hip. Gudas snd Vaatainen are the most consistent pair they have this year. Without Drysdale Fowler looks lost and in due time instead of sitting him in a press box he will be sent down to play with Helleson to get confidence back while white hagg or carrick get called to press box so Luneau if not tor that stupid CHL rule would be AHL to develop. You know it I know everybody knows it so take your hex a top line guy goggles off. I mean my god they played him 2 games then a 6-0 run kept him strapped to press box so they were able to manipulate that dumb rule have him sit for 15 straight days enabling them to send him down for a 6 game conditioning sting. just so he could get 6 extra games at pro level. So now he will get 9 NHL games and 6 AHL games also the CHL in their face and have him back in plenty of time for the world jrs.
I mean no offence to the Q but Ray Bourque was 77-79. Since then duchene Brisebois robidas American Yandle Demers savard girard and Dobson and Luneau. That’s 1 franchise building hall of famed. A probable and comparable stud to the Hughes fox and Makar of this generation in Dobson. But after that you got complimentary top pair in suter a second pair top PP unit in yandle. In their prime 2nd liners in savard Brisebois robidas and Demers slowly fading to 3rd pair press box guys with age getting real estate on an island in their final years called robidas. Girard is stuck being thd 5th dman on a great team bug till thst changed ge is what he is and unfortunately that’s what Luneau is and will be. Once Anaheim hits their prime years he will be stuck on the bottom pair.
So if that’s the guy u think is made for Reilly a bottom pair guy on a good team then I guess that in el facto means you think Toronto won’t be a good team.
If nylander is dealt to Anaheim why not grab hot hands Vatrano to get half the lost goals back but who has an extra year still then still go get Luneau but stop with the unreasonable expectations and since the top 4 for this team is set in stone for 10 years pick try to nab Lacombe as he may not be top pair material as seen this season but he’s better than the D we have at this moment in bottom pair and if the cards are played right and luck goes leafs way who knows I might be wrong about Luneau so let’s meet in the middle and with Lacombe we have a solid 2nd pairing for ages once they take there bumps on 3rd pair for a year or 2.
You might even be able to sneak in a Yegar Sidorov. Why you ask this prospect. Well my fellow leaf fan with Minten there and Ludowsky there why not make it a trio and possible trio 4 life.
13.) 08 Dec 2023 01:32:47
Read it all.
You are trading a top 10 in the league forward for two guys you hope will become atop 6 player and a top 4 defender.
If wishes and hopes were dollars we would all be rich.
Makes no sense to me whatsoever!
14.) 08 Dec 2023 04:20:20
LOL. Wow! Do some of you actually read? First things first, I stated in the prop the trade has to do with I am not convinced that this is the year to go for it. We all know Willy hasn't signed an extension yet. The thought that it is automatically going to happen is not realistic. It may, but if it isn't going to happen, I would prefer to get really good assets back. Plus, if he still wants $10m+, trade him!
I also said with the cap space, you could go after someone else on forward that won't cost Willy money. With Willy and Lily gone and Klingberg'ss LTIR, the Leafs would have about $9M this year to use in cap space with all their assets plus the two they just got. Leafs could go after Konecny, or Marchenko etc as I stated. Lyubushkin gives them a competitive D for this year, who is still better than most of the D on the current team. They could look to extend him as a 3RD for the future for less than he makes now. It's not a rebuild because Willy is gone for cryin out loud. If he walks end of season, do the Leafs rebuild? Of course not. It is a trade to open up the opportunity for other moves while getting a return on a player you can't let walk for nothing. It also puts Nylander in the Western Conference.
Luneau is my personal OPINION of what he can be. To say I am clearly wrong on a 19 year old D-man that's progression has been an explosion is ridiculous. Some of this comes from a guy that thinks Liljegren is our 2nd best D-man and Willy is a top 10 forward in the League. Talk about wishes and hopes WB.
UFO-I never said Luneau is ready for top pair. I said he would likely play with the Leafs. Part of that is because of how they need an offensive D on the right side. LaCombe? Seriously. You think he is a true 2nd pair D and Luneau is a 3rd pair D likely. He's had 3 extra years of development, he is struggling at the pro level and his offence has not translated in any way and it's not like he is very good in his own end. He isn't overly physical, so he doesn't even have that. If his offence doesn't start translating, what good is he? He is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and has put up 3 assists in 24 games (26 total) . He has even been given some PP time. Luneau, 3 years younger had a goal and 2 assists in his first 5 games. All 5 on 5 as well as he hasn't been given PP time. LaCombe is also an LD, which is the easiest to get and Leafs don't need that as bad as an RD. Nor would I rather have Hinds or Zelleweger. That's my opinion.
Anyhow, If Anaheim don't want to keep Luneau up, good chance I get to see him at the Juniors for Canada anyway. I hope he helps bring us gold.
15.) 08 Dec 2023 12:44:52
Hey we can manipulate each others words to better our side in this discussion like everyone does on this site by saying who said what and what it meant in there words when in the end Anaheim has Drysdale Zellweger and the Russian kid so baring some unfortunate event happening they are locked in as 3 of the top 4 D for the future.
LaCombe is an and will be the future 3rd pair LD leaving one of Hellason Hind Luneau or Warren becoming the 2nd pairing rd for the future. Since Hind is playing shutdown dman well with Zellweger it might just be the Girard affect (2nd pairing dman playing 3rd pairing because the guy taking his spot isn’t better but plays better with the other top 4 player than the better player does)
That’s how I see Luneau play out. It might be differant nobody knows but the odds favor Hind in that spot present time due to at last years world jrs and in AHL this year he is proving to be the ying to the yang Zellweger plays best with. Zellweger needs a lock down guy that lets him the freedom to roam. Both Drysdale and Luneau are not this. Since Drysdale is a legit 1RD and since Zellweger also being a legit 1D but needs the stay at home guy to play his game they will simply split the 2 up at even strength rejoin them on 1PP and at even strength put the best defensive dman Aka Hinds and put the Russian kid who will be a with Drysdale leaving point getting Luneau as 3rd D on this team proving my girard theory correct in this situation
I agree on any team LaComb isn’t and May never be a 2nd pair but the same can be said that on any team Luneau as well isn’t and never will be a 1st pair
So again as I proposed and you weren’t willing to read correctly let’s split the differance deal them together and call them 2nd line guys and disagreement should be closed.
16.) 08 Dec 2023 14:30:31
UFO. What you wrote, I read as you were saying that Luneau will be a 3rd pair D-man and LaCombe will be a 2nd pair D (no matter the team) and since neither are going to be 1st pair D, let's split the difference and get LaCombe instead of Luneau to make sure Leafs get at least a 2nd pair D.
There was no intent from me to misrepresent you. It is what I thought you were actually saying. Looking at your recent response, sure, it would be great to get both. No harm in having both. The only ting I would say is that most teams don't keep all of their young D talent and slot them all in as the future. It is most likely, one or some of the ones that are slotted for certain spots are traded to fill a gap upfront for instance.
Just to be clear. As for Luneau himself, I said I think he is a lock for a top 4, not top pair, but I am sure you would agree that some top 4's can play on a top pair with the right partner. Ie, I think Luneau may make a great partner for Rielly for years to come.
Thanks for explaining your views. I hope that helps with mine as it doesn't actually seem we view it that much different.
17.) 08 Dec 2023 22:20:03
U read wrong as the bottom paragraph of my first response summarizes the new proposed trade and both d and their spot on leafs D now and possible future spot in fact I said LaComb showed he can’t be top pair material and will be press boxed soon by San Jose and probably go to minors. Where u got that lacombe 2nd pair no matter the team just worries me as you’re better than this and always have been.
Again aniheim strong too 3 young Dmen plus a guy who plays a great defence first game to accommodate zellweger will knock Luneau out if Anaheim’s top 4 but I called it the girard affect in where the 5th dman is better than the 4th dman but not a better fit with one of the 3 top Dmen taking him out of top 4.
U saying Luneau is a top pair i say LaComb is a bottom pair. Split the differance call if a 2nd pairing as steed in last 2 paragraphs in last response.
I did miss the top 4 Luneau stuff that’s me bad as the potential Reilly comment drew me in more
No matter how we differ on projections this ducks defence has you got to admit they gonna be a tough team if they can keep them together. Heck even Ridein Dionicio looks like a late round dman find. my god.
06 Dec 2023 13:06:35
3 team deal
Edm
Samsonov $3.55M(Tor)
Nash
Foegele $2.75M(EDM)
Holmberg $.8M(Tor)
Grubbe ELC(EDM)
Tor
Fabbro $2.5M(Nash)
Pickard $.762M(Edm)
Edmonton gets a goalie upgrade.
Nash picks up a 3rd line winger that should suit their style that they could flip if out of the playoff race. They also get a bottom 6 ready forward in Holmberg and a good prospect in Grubbe.
Toronto gets a mid 4 RD that may be able to move up and play with Rielly as well as a backup goalie
1.) 06 Dec 2023 13:42:28
As a leafs fan I don't feel comfortable with Pickard as a back up.
2.) 06 Dec 2023 15:44:19
J1967. I get that. It is cap in/ out for Edmonton. Toronto can take their pick of Pickard or Jones to backup. There is also always a backup available at the TDL and they don't cost a lot to get.
3.) 07 Dec 2023 11:03:49
I'd go with Jones over Pickard if I had to choose.
04 Dec 2023 13:02:40
3 team deal
Buffalo
Samsonov $3.55M(Tor)
2024 3rd (Clb-LA pick)
CLB
Robertson $.797M(Tor)
Tor
Jokiharju $2.5M(Buf)
Peeke $2.75M(Clb)
2024 4th(Buf)
Then
ARZ
Liljegren $1.4M
Jones $.875M
Tor
Vejmelka $2.7M
2024 3rd(EDM)
1.) 04 Dec 2023 13:41:52
I think you spelled Ingram wrong RLF. Lol.
2.) 04 Dec 2023 13:54:24
RLF
Your still not liking Robertson didn't you like his nice pass to Domi to tie game 2-2 the guy is only getting 10 min a night.
3.) 04 Dec 2023 13:57:15
I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in those deals.
4.) 04 Dec 2023 17:43:16
DM aka James Weathermackin.
I have never said I don't like Robertson. If you are suggesting the Leafs should build a team around him, then yes, I strongly disagree. He is a small complimentary winger with a hard shot. It's not like he can't be replaced. I think both Minten and Cowan have higher ceilings. If he can be used to get a D, cant we just put Steeves in his spot and not miss a beat? You lobby for Steeves to replace Jarnkrok. Surely Steeves can replace Robertson as well.
5.) 04 Dec 2023 19:28:15
That was a nice pass. Guess he's mcdavid now after one play.
6.) 04 Dec 2023 20:00:08
Sorry stupid joke but Leafs would rather Ingram not Vejmelka in that trade. Ingram looks lights out right now, keep ARZ in the mix.
7.) 04 Dec 2023 20:26:43
@Clarky. I thought it was funny. I wanted the Leafs to trade for Ingram when he was in Nashville and hadn't played an NHL game yet. He took longer to develop due to a personal issue iirc.
8.) 05 Dec 2023 01:29:12
As a Liljegren fan and supporter I am not crazy about the Arizona deal but with Samsonov and Jones gone Leafs will need another goaltender to back up Woll. Vegmelka would be a good candidate
The three way deal bring Jokiharju and Peeke to the Leafs I am totally onboard with.
01 Dec 2023 13:19:58
Something a little different.
Dal
Nylander $6.96M
Tor
Marchment $4.5M
Hakanpaa $1.5M
Ertel ELC
Dallas gets the most talented player in the deal and may be willing to go for it this year with the age of their players.
Leafs get a top 6 LW/RW signed with term, a pending UFA Big, physical Defensive RD and a project LW.
1.) 02 Dec 2023 01:13:56
The team acquiring the best player (Nylander) in a trade is generally considered to have won the trade 99% of the time.
Marchment is, in truth a vastly overpaid ($4.5M), 3rd line, LW who had one breakout season with Florida which led to Dallas overpaying him.
Hakanpaa is a 31 year old (32 in March), UFA defenseman with 0 goals, 0 assists in 21 games though he does sport a +6 on a defensively responsible Dallas Stars team in front of one of the best, young goaltenders Jake Oettinger in the league.
Don’t Leafs have enough of these old men?
Ertel is a 20 year old, LW, 3rd round pick, who scored 14 goals and 36 points in 46 games last season for the North Bay Battalion.
I’m not sure what skills or assets he has that would lend themselves to thinking he will be any more than what he has shown to date.
2.) 02 Dec 2023 12:50:30
WB49
Marchment is a 2LW. His minutes per game are almost all 5 on 5. He doesn't PK or get any PP time. He is on pace this year for as many points as his Florida season you allude to. How is $4.5M overpaying a 45-50 pt 2LW that hits, fights and gets most of his points 5 on 5? He is also signed for two more seasons at that $4.5M while the cap is going up. Willy wants $10M+, this gives the Leafs an extra $5.5M+ to sign other players.
Hakanpaa is a very good defensive right shot D-man. He is big, physical and can play in your top 4. oisv% has never been under 90.3% while he is on the ice 5 on 5 even though over 60% of his starts yearly are in the D-zone.
You have underrated both of these players. Plus, Leafs could re-sign Hakanpaa and have Marchment for way less than it will take to keep Willy.
Ertel. As usual, you have never seen a prospect play so you look at their point stats and determine are they any good or not. Let me help you with Ertel. He is a 6'2" LW that is a very good playmaker and skater. He is at a point per game this season. He is feisty and will drop the gloves if needed. He is also a local boy. He could develop into a top 9 LW.
30 Nov 2023 19:56:54
So, NJ is really struggling defensively after losing Severson and Graves. They need a D.
When Lily becomes healthy.
NJ
Liljegren $1.4M
Tor
McLeod $1.4M
NJ gets some D help around the same age as McLeod and Toronto gets a good 3C that can also play wing who has great speed and some snot to his game. Grown into one of the best faceoffs guys in the League.(Also a Toronto boy)
Then trade for Peeke to fill Lily's spot.
1.) 30 Nov 2023 23:25:21
I like it. I've lost patience with Lilly.
2.) 01 Dec 2023 00:02:00
so when the leafs need to get a D, they are going o trade one away. but I do agree, trade for peeke.
3.) 01 Dec 2023 02:28:20
Yes, Llyigren, Timmons, Benoit and possibly Brodie all gone by trade deadline.
4.) 01 Dec 2023 02:41:03
Liljegren for McLeod?
That sure helps Leafs defense!
Liljegren is better than almost any of the suggested trade targets for the Leafs but we should trade him for a forward?
Makes sense!
Seeler, Walker, Borgen, Ferraro, Peeke, Boqvist, Tanev etc.
5.) 01 Dec 2023 12:53:44
WB49.
Your love of Liljegren is well documented. We disagree on the player. I have never seen him more than a good 4 or very good 5 at best. I also said trade for Peeke to replace Liljegren. Peeke, unlike Liljegren has actually played top minutes and signed through next season.
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10 Dec 2023 13:37:11
The RD prospect I really like, Tristan Luneau, is apparently reporting to Team Canada junior camp. I'd be shocked if he doesn't make the team. Anyhow, anyone interested in seeing this kid play, watch the juniors if you don't normally. Just thought I would throw the info out.
27 Nov 2023 19:20:54
I honestly don't see Treliving looking at this year as the year unless he can improve the D greatly to take a shot at it.
He knew this from the start though. He knew what Dubas had left him an almost impossible situation. Basically no prospects. No picks. A porous defence, no grit and questionable goaltending.
All those one year deals would suggest he is evaluating more than anything. The one year gamble on Klingberg when he couldn't get who he wanted is another example. Ironically, if Klingberg is done, Tree has that cap space to use and it turned out to be a very good move. If this has been persisting for a quite some time with Klingberg as suggested, did Tree know this may happen and make the signing easier.
Just my prediction, but if ha can't drastically improve the defence this year, he won't make much of a move. Maybe some small depth stuff that doesn't cost too much in assets.
I think he will be more looking at next year when the cap goes up and he has a better grasp on what he has. Don't get me wrong, he wants to win, but I don't think he will go all in and trade all his best assets for a chance at it this year unless the moves are drastic defence improvements.
In all honesty, I think it would be the right move to hold off if he can't improve the D a lot. The forward group is there, the defence isn't.
1.) 27 Nov 2023 22:15:16
@RLF 100% agree.
His trades and signings will be made in the off season. He just wants to sit back and learn his team.
From the presser:
Question
The Leafs are involved in so many trade rumours. Is part of the job of the manager canvassing the league to see what players might be available to help the team?
Answer
Treliving: That is your job all the time. You are trying to help the team. Now, the idea that you are going to trade yourself out of issues is not realistic.
To me, this basically means you're not trading yourself out of trouble, so don't hold your breath.
Maybe a small move or two like you said.
2.) 27 Nov 2023 22:32:51
@Tags. I didn't see his presser so that is interesting based on what my thoughts are. Thanks.
3.) 27 Nov 2023 23:44:57
@RLF that's my thoughts on the 1 year deals as well. From the start I thought he was positioning himself for an overhaul. 30+ million in cap space after this season.
I also don't blame him in not going for it. Mathews is locked up, so if you do well great if not, reevaluate in the off season.
I think he wants Zadorov so he can resign him to a long term extension. He seems to really like the guy.
@Tags I hadn't seen that. Good info.
4.) 28 Nov 2023 00:36:26
You're welcome guys. I read the Q&A from Maple Leafs Hot Stove MLHS site. I find they have the best and most knowledgeable writers on their staff.
Really like the Game in 10 write ups after the games & Leafs Notebook, which comes out every Monday or Tuesday (normally really good insights) .
5.) 28 Nov 2023 16:15:18
i agree with this statement as well. but think hif can add a young player like Peeke to add to next year or even a deal for Walker would be nice. other than small moves but for non UFA players I can see him doing. unless he want's to go for 1 big fish like Hanifin where the player resigns for 8 years to have a solid left side D of
Rielly
hanifin
McCabe
then get cheaper fillers for next year for right side like Peeke, Walker and Liljegren for bottom 3rd pair
But Tre was brought in so quickly and had to deal with a star C needing a contract. along with the Willy deal . very bad defense group and no clear cut #1 goalie with Murray's health and Samsonov going to arb. he definately just plugged some holes withthe left over cap space and did not sign anyone to silly long term deals. all show me contracts so he could evaluate what he has and add to it next year
Dunno if anyone listens to former enforcer Jay Rosehill on YT but his latest assessment of this team is bang on. he thinks Marner needs to that this team's top guys will make fancy places and go on streaks but are soft and don't have the toughness you need to win in the playoffs, The D is porous and needs to be rebuilt and out goaltending is shaky. still lots of work for Tre.
6.) 29 Nov 2023 16:48:38
Marner takes alot of heat and much of it is warranted. I have to give him some credit for toughness though. To take that puck in the face and then go in, get stitched up and come back out with a cage, shows some snot. Ironically, his mouth may be too sore now to constantly whine to the Refs and may help him down the road. He may be forced to just play the game without all the yelling and whining, which is what he needs to do.
22 Nov 2023 13:31:57
It looks like Marner is starting to get the Bunting treatment from the Refs. Has anyone else started to see that or just me posting it making anyone think , yea, it does seem that way. He's getting less and less calls and they are even starting to call penalties on him.
He is whining constantly and the Refs are looking the other way. I have said this many times that Marner whines too much. I hope someone talks to him and tells him he needs to SHUT UP and just play the game. Your not entitled Mitch.
1.) 22 Nov 2023 14:49:29
I agree for so many reasons. Whining only pisses the refs off more, you look like a pansy when you’re always complaining, he is a leader in this team and that is not what you want your young players looking up to. Body language is also huge, if you look defeated as a leader, the team will follow. If it’s bad and the ref missed it, let him know but don’t scream at him all the way down the ice and continue from the bench. Matthews gets it just as bad and you never see him doing that crap.
2.) 22 Nov 2023 15:01:40
@Clarky. Very true. You don't see it from anyone else really. Not JT or Willy either. You give a quick bark and move on. Refs don't like being shown up, especially on national TV. Every player knows this.
3.) 22 Nov 2023 20:25:49
@RLF I wouldn't be surprised. He's been whining about everything for years. To the point of taking himself out of plays so he can whine longer.
@Clarky good point. No one else on the team behaves that way.
4.) 23 Nov 2023 13:06:28
Agree with all you guys. you keep hoping he'll grow out of it but at his age that's not gonna happen. it's a shame we can't move on from him and replace his cap space with konecny and Hanifin. could greatly improve our D and replace him with a guy that has more heart. could move willy onto first line with Matthews and have a second line of Bert. JT and konevny.
15 Nov 2023 14:13:18
Mackin.
I don't understand trades or team pipelines now? Where to begin. Where to begin.
Let's start with my prop. Klingberg has negative value. Niemela and Cowan do not get you Andersson. The value of the 1st (likely in the 20's) makes up the value for taking Klingberg and the extra needed on top of Niemela and Cowan to land Andersson. It's not that complicated to figure out. I like Cowan. But, Andersson is a top pair RD, still only 27 (so starting prime years) that plays 23 mins a night and is on a great contract for 2 more years after this. Calgary is not eating money, nor would they have to.
Niemela is 21. Small by NHL standards and playing his first pro season over here. He hasn't looked out of place, but it is very unlikely he ever becomes a top pair D. A late 1st isn't likely to turn into a top NHLer. It can happen, but not likely. Cowan looks good, but again, no guarantees. Andersson is proven and cost controlled for 2 more seasons. Flames will demand a lot. The AHL players you want teams to take for their top players doesn't scream player evaluation knowledge.
You don't even see your contradiction on drafting. First you say they have turned out very little in the past 10 seasons and then say you are sure Wes Clark will turn the 2024 1st into a Maple Leaf. You understand that Clark was with the Maple Leaf scouting staff about 7 1/ 2 of the past 10 years? Meaning he is also partly responsible for turning out so few players in the past 10 years.
You say it was a great trade of Sandin for Gustafsson (a guy the Leafs barely played) and a 1st which turned into Cowan. Sandin is in the top 4 in Washington playing 23 mins a night as a 23 year old D-man while making only $1.4M. Cowan is an OHL player. It is way too early to call it a great trade.
You have claimed to win a cup you need ELC's. The Leafs had Matthews, Marner and Nylander all on ELC's at the same time and couldn't get out of the first round. Since then, they have had Liljegren and Sandin on ELC's at the same time with Hyman making only $2.25M for 4 years. They have done this. It hasn't worked. The theory has merit. It is not a guarantee to win.
David, I don't mean this to be arrogant, it's just fact. I have picked more up and comers. I have picked more guys that have potential. I have picked more underutilized players that have more to give. I have picked more trades that are closer to reality by a wide margin over you. I have actually called some trades dead on to what has actually happened. You would have to add in the times you've picked your nose to come close to my total player picks compared to you.
Unlike you, I stick with my player assessments. You change your evaluations as the wind blows. It's why I said you should be a weather man. Let's take a look at your weather map and some of your latest predictions based on your assessment of the Leafs climate.
You have had Robertson blowing in like a hurricane to the top line and scoring 40 and now you have him entrenched on the 3rd line. You have had Domi washed out to see in a monsoon, and now he deserves a long term deal. You have erupted on Bertuzzi like a volcano to ultimately snuff out the fire and claim he is now very useful. You had Cowan riding a high pressure system right to the NHL. All within the first 15 GAMES. And just now, you suggested to replace Jarnkrok on the 3rd line with the oft injured Duclair for some reason.
In Comparison, all I have said is that I think they have used Reaves wrong (he's been bad) . And who was it that said from the start we need to relax and give it at least 10-15 games? I will give you a hint David, it wasn't you (It was me just in case you're unable to deduce the answer) . Before 5 games were up, you were ready to trade everyone away. Bring up Niemela. Cowan should have made the team. Robertson should be on the top line you screamed. Then the wind blows a little differently and you change your evaluation again.
#WeatherMackin.
1.) 16 Nov 2023 02:02:47
Didn't ron Burgandy also call Bedard a byst after his first game. I know someone in here did.
2.) 16 Nov 2023 02:03:48
That was so well written. was worth reading twice in a row . lol.
3.) 16 Nov 2023 12:15:50
@Loxley
lol. Yea, not sure what happened that it went up twice. Sorry about that. Not sure why the WeatherMackin has decided to consistently call people out personally.
4.) 16 Nov 2023 20:28:24
@RLF. Ron Burgandy. aka weathermackin is gonna keep calling people out til people eventually stop responding to his comments and posts. can't believe how personal he took it to ya.
15 Nov 2023 14:12:33
David. I had posted what is written below as a response to your post to me, but seeing how many long diatribes you write a day, it would go farther down and I wanted to make sure you got the chance to read my response. So, I am posting it as a new post. Please see below.
Mackin.
I don't understand trades or team pipelines now? Where to begin. Where to begin.
Let's start with my prop. Klingberg has negative value. Niemela and Cowan do not get you Andersson. The value of the 1st (likely in the 20's) makes up the value for taking Klingberg and the extra needed on top of Niemela and Cowan to land Andersson. It's not that complicated to figure out. I like Cowan. But, Andersson is a top pair RD, still only 27 (so starting prime years) that plays 23 mins a night and is on a great contract for 2 more years after this. Calgary is not eating money, nor would they have to.
Niemela is 21. Small by NHL standards and playing his first pro season over here. He hasn't looked out of place, but it is very unlikely he ever becomes a top pair D. A late 1st isn't likely to turn into a top NHLer. It can happen, but not likely. Cowan looks good, but again, no guarantees. Andersson is proven and cost controlled for 2 more seasons. Flames will demand a lot. The AHL players you want teams to take for their top players doesn't scream player evaluation knowledge.
You don't even see your contradiction on drafting. First you say they have turned out very little in the past 10 seasons and then say you are sure Wes Clark will turn the 2024 1st into a Maple Leaf. You understand that Clark was with the Maple Leaf scouting staff about 7 1/ 2 of the past 10 years? Meaning he is also partly responsible for turning out so few players in the past 10 years.
You say it was a great trade of Sandin for Gustafsson (a guy the Leafs barely played) and a 1st which turned into Cowan. Sandin is in the top 4 in Washington playing 23 mins a night as a 23 year old D-man while making only $1.4M. Cowan is an OHL player. It is way too early to call it a great trade.
You have claimed to win a cup you need ELC's. The Leafs had Matthews, Marner and Nylander all on ELC's at the same time and couldn't get out of the first round. Since then, they have had Liljegren and Sandin on ELC's at the same time with Hyman making only $2.25M for 4 years. They have done this. It hasn't worked. The theory has merit. It is not a guarantee to win.
David, I don't mean this to be arrogant, it's just fact. I have picked more up and comers. I have picked more guys that have potential. I have picked more underutilized players that have more to give. I have picked more trades that are closer to reality by a wide margin over you. I have actually called some trades dead on to what has actually happened. You would have to add in the times you've picked your nose to come close to my total player picks compared to you.
Unlike you, I stick with my player assessments. You change your evaluations as the wind blows. It's why I said you should be a weather man. Let's take a look at your weather map and some of your latest predictions based on your assessment of the Leafs climate.
You have had Robertson blowing in like a hurricane to the top line and scoring 40 and now you have him entrenched on the 3rd line. You have had Domi washed out to see in a monsoon, and now he deserves a long term deal. You have erupted on Bertuzzi like a volcano to ultimately snuff out the fire and claim he is now very useful. You had Cowan riding a high pressure system right to the NHL. All within the first 15 GAMES. And just now, you suggested to replace Jarnkrok on the 3rd line with the oft injured Duclair for some reason.
In Comparison, all I have said is that I think they have used Reaves wrong (he's been bad) . And who was it that said from the start we need to relax and give it at least 10-15 games? I will give you a hint David, it wasn't you (It was me just in case you're unable to deduce the answer) . Before 5 games were up, you were ready to trade everyone away. Bring up Niemela. Cowan should have made the team. Robertson should be on the top line you screamed. Then the wind blows a little differently and you change your evaluation again.
#WeatherMackin.
10 Dec 2023 01:54:06
WB49. LOL. This coming from a guy who constantly insults posters proposals and at times their hockey knowledge and now wants to give advice on props and how to post.
Nothing I posted wasn't true is the funny thing. JWM called out MPH and LL and then said he agrees with you. Which is what I wrote. It's always the guys like you that insult people alot that say "stick to hockey" when people say something about them.
Mackin knew when he started calling people out he was going to get it back and he doesn't whine about it. I respect that.
09 Dec 2023 16:53:14
Definitely unMackinized. lol
First one seems reasonable. I wouldn't want to lose Jarnkrok though.
I think if the second one happens now, probably not enough for Tanev.
09 Dec 2023 16:50:18
I don't mind this trade but I think Seattle should add. I personally, would want Dragicevic added in.
09 Dec 2023 16:02:31
@MPH. I agree, It would take a huge offer like this to get both Hanafin and Tanev at 50% retained. I don't think I would do it as Knies is on a great value contract this year and next.
09 Dec 2023 15:59:12
Wow. JWM is feeling it. Calling out two posters at a time. But then he gives WB49 some love because he feels they are more aligned on their thinking and player assessment.
Busy day for the weathermackin.
11 Dec 2023 00:18:42
@Ll. You could be right. Point being is that you buy him out and replace him with someone more expensive, but then you still have to add to the D on top of that and pay for it next season. Hard to give everyone term under those conditions.
10 Dec 2023 13:46:38
@Clarky. All good.
But his total cap hit isn't $0. It would be have been $2.5M for 2024-25 iirc. Yes, they would have opened up $5M for this season, but who was available in the summer to replace him? That was the big question. If the Leafs bought him out, the Leafs would have got nothing for their asset for this season and then next season he would have cost $2.5M against the cap and not even playing. I get what you are saying, but Tanev, Hanafin and Larsson probably weren't available in the summer. It was poor starts by Calgary and Seattle that may make them available. I am assuming you would agree with that.
09 Dec 2023 20:42:34
Clarky. You lost me on buying out Brodie. You can't buy out a player during the season and I don't know of a buyout that costs $0.
At the end of this season he is a pending UFA, so there is nothing to buyout. What do you mean buy him out this year and it costs $0 and now go after Larsson and Tanev with that $5M in cap space?
09 Dec 2023 17:14:10
Just my opinion. Moving Brodie makes no sense unless you can find an upgrade. The problem with the upgrade is cost to acquire. It's not like a team will send their top pair RD for Brodie straight up. Or a 2nd pair RD for Liljegren. I think some are about analytics, others like myself are saying it's not like we have a lot of assets to add to a trade, so who are people willing to move to get upgrades?
For me, of those that hold any real value still, it's Liljegren, Niemela, Robertson and our 1st I would be fine with the leafs moving for an upgrade. Depending on the package given, would also deoend on whether I would expect it to be a player with term or pending UFA coming back. I would rather keep Knies, Minten and Cowan.
Is Brodie, Liljegren, Robertson, Niemela and a 1st capable of return a top pair Rd and 2nd pair Rd? I doubt it, not any with term anyway and I am not for selling the farm this year to take a run at a Cup this season.
This is why I think we should trade Willy for a youngish top 4 RD or prospect with potential top 4 RD++. You probably get cap space and keep your assets to then make a trade for a forward to replace Willy. For example, I know many didn't like my Nylander and Liljegren for Lyubushkin, Lunaeu and Perrault deal, but it follows with my own philosophy on what the Leafs should be doing. Lyubushkin adds a different element than Liljegren and also had chemistry with Rielly. Luneau I think is way underrated and would give the Leafs a puck moving, offensive D that reads plays well and plays solid defence already. Even if he doesn't play this season on the Leafs, I would rather have Boosh over Liljegren. Perreault adds a future RW that can score and skate. Like his dad, very good shot. He's got a bit of an edge to him as well.
No analytics for me, simply how I view what the team should be thinking moving forward.
09 Dec 2023 16:54:21
MPH. C'mon, let's give JWM a little more credit than that. Leafs add a 2024 7th.