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26 Nov 2020 20:38:29
Multiple trade to make the team and cap.

NYR
Nylander 6.96

Leafs
Buchnevich 3.25
Schneider
Gettinger ELC

Rangers get another high offence winger and have the cap room to add Nylander. Buchnevich will need a new contract at end of season and Nylander is cost controlled for 4 more years.

Leafs get a lesser replacement for Nylander in Buchnevich, A top 4 projected RD and a possible 4th liner with size who is still developing.

Fla
Kerfoot 3.5

Tor
Noel ELC

Fla still needs to fill out their roster and do not want to really add a lot to their payroll. Kerfoot a solid 2/3C who gets paid less than his cap hit for all of his remaining 3 seasons and helps Fla in a place of need, centre.

Leafs get a good sized prospect who is likely a middle 6 at best, but mostly clear another 3.5 in cap space.

TB
Korskov ELC

Tor
Killorn 4.45

Tampa still has Cirelli and Cernak to sign and are already well over the cap. Korshkov gives them a possible NHL ready player on the cheap.

Leafs take advantage of Tampa's cap issues and get a SC champion who plays a heavier game and still signed for 3 more years.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Killorn Tavares Mikheyev
Buchnevich Thornton Vesey
? Spezza Simmonds

Add Schneider, Noel and Gettinger to the system while removing Korshkov. Leafs also have an extra $2.5M in cap space now.

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1.) 26 Nov 2020 22:23:05
I’m still not sold on Schneider but as a whole this deal is a great cap saver the 3 being at 3 differant stages of development (1nhl,1minor,1jr) that you’ll reack the benefits of this trade for up to 10 years so I like that.

Getting rid of kerfoot cap hit and grabbing a big bodied prospect seems like a great deal to me

Love the killorn deal. Big fan of his. He replaces kerfoot plus as a player

Leafs save close to 2.7 on these deals and adds to the future of the team. Well done.


2.) 27 Nov 2020 00:18:00
That trades made my day. When I saw all the guys coming back, I actually started laughing. In a good way too. These are the types of trades I love.

Rangers would jump on that deal. They want to contend now. As in right now, while they got Panarin and Kakko and Lafrenniere and all those other great players. Once the ELC’s on all those prospects run out, the window of opportunity starts to close rapidly. They need to start moving out quantity and bringing in quality. This trade accomplishes that. I know you said Schneider, but unless it’s Fox, then it’s not worth it. We don’t want to weaken the team. Fox is a top 4 defenseman and is worth Nylander. The other two guys are just there to make the salary work. Trading from a position of strength to address a position of weakness is always a smart idea.

Kerfoot for Noel is a cap dump after the Rangers trade. We have too many middle six guys and we trade out the higher priced guy. We could always dump Buchnevich, but he’s a lot bigger. And so is Noel. So goodbye Kerfoot. Lol.

The Cirelli deal is a steal. Tampa is going to have to lose someone of significance, but they aren’t going to give him away to us. Lol. Is Korshkov NHL ready? I’m not so sure about that. Engvall maybe, Korshkov no.

Trying to take advantage of another GM’s cap misfortunes given the Leafs current situation seems ironic. It is of some satisfaction to see Tampa is in a bind right now. But since they won the cup, i guess they are paying the price now. I don’t underestimate them at all. They will still be a formidable team next year. The core will remain the same and most of the depth will be there again as well. Coleman, Maroon, Goodrow, and Paquette appears to have replaced at least one of Johnson or Cirelli. I don’t think Tampa parts with Cernak. They need him still.


3.) 27 Nov 2020 12:44:40
Man that’s a tough one idk if I’d like the Nylander one but I think it’s pretty close to what the leafs would get I wouldn’t trade for Killorn but rather give Robertson that spot or go sign Hoffman to a one year deal Killorn a big body but his offence has really fallen off.


4.) 27 Nov 2020 15:49:34
I don't think NYR moves Fox as they would be losing something of importance off of the current roster and add his cap hit to Buchnevich's, and we lose the cap flexibility and would now have to protect 4 D at the draft.

Killorn is the likely target from Tampa that they would be willing to move. At $4.45 and them being about $3M over cap already with Cernak and Cirelli still to sign, Killorn becomes expendable. Getting Korskov doesn't seem like a lot for a player like Killorn, whose numbers may have dropped off a bit, but does other things but score that we need. Getting Korshkov for Killorn and the $4.45 in cap space is likely better than getting the $5 in cap space for Johnson and have to add a high pick or prospect just for someone to take him (which they still may have to do after the trade I suggested) .

Losing Nylander is tough, but having extra cap space, more solid prospects, while adding harder to play against players to the immediate roster, makes a better team for now and the long run. imo.


 

 

24 Nov 2020 18:49:23
I don't think I have traded Willy for a couple of days or so:)

To Nash
Nylander 6.96
2021 2nd

To Leafs
Grimaldi 2
Ingram ELC
Prokop
2021 1st

Nash gets a scoring top 6 winger which they need while only losing a bottom 6 guy off the roster. Although losing their 1st to get Nylander, they re-coup a 2nd to add to their own. They can afford to move Ingram after drafting Askarov. Nash still has about $8M to fill out the roster.

Leafs take on a bottom 6 forward who fits the Dubas mold while saving $5M in cap space. Ingram is one of the top goalie prospects outside the NHL and if Campbell plays well this year, they could tandem Ingram and Campbell cheaply moving forward. Prokop is a strong, stay at home type of D on the right side and could take over for Muzzin one day in that role. Leafs also move up their 2nd to a 1st in the 2021 draft. More cap flexibility, a shut down defender prospect and a #1 goalie prospect while adding a 1st to draft with or use as a trade chip.

RLF

1.) 25 Nov 2020 14:17:26
I don’t mind this deal but think Nashville is ripping Toronto off.

Toronto can probably get another high end prospect since adding nylander to Nashville makes their odds of having a much better season much higher thus making that 1st round pick probably in the 20s somewhere.

I’d love fabbro.


2.) 26 Nov 2020 02:43:36
It's a futures deal for sure Craigger. If Ingram becomes a #1 or 1A, Prokop becomes a top 4 shutdown and they use the 1st to get another player/ prospect along with the cap money they save, it becomes a win for the Leafs. I would also look at flipping Grimaldi for a pick (3rd? ) . If Ingram and Prokop falter and we screw up the extra $5-$7M in cap space, we lose the deal.


3.) 26 Nov 2020 12:35:09
How is this Craigger. After this deal, we go to T-Bay who have to move cap, they have no choice. Korshkov for Killorn. Then flip Grimaldi and a 4th to FLA for a 3rd. This is how we can use the new found cap space and make the deal that much better.


 

 

23 Nov 2020 20:50:05
NJ could use a really high end LD prospect and some vet help/presence who is not too old for their young forwards.

Leafs could use some size and grit upfront and may lack a quality goalie prospect.

NJ
Kerfoot 3.5
Sandin ELC

Tor
Mcleod ELC
Foote ELC
Daws

NJ gets a high end LD prospect that has 1st pair potential and a middle 6 forward with speed and PK ability on a decent contract. The extra 2.7 cap hit on Kerfoot is easily affordable and he is playing better than McLeod right now. Daws is moveable as they already have Blackwood. Costs them Foote and a little extra to get Sandin, where the need is greater.

Leafs get a possible 3rd line C going forward in McLeod who is cheaper than Kerfoot. A top 9 power forward prospect in Foote and a good goalie prospect in Daws while saving 2.7 against the cap. Leafs are pretty set on the left side with Rielly and Muzzin while Dermott and Lehtonen are in the immediate mix. Doesn't make Sandin expendable, but for the right return that includes cap relief and quality prospects in other areas, maybe.

RLF

1.) 23 Nov 2020 21:08:06
New Jersey has 3 pretty good LHD prospects in smith, bahl and that dman that starts with O.

That still won’t stop them from making a deal like this as Sandin is projected to be better than all 3. Not by a whole lot but still better.

The package leafs get in return is well worth the loss of Sandin and kerfoot plus the cap savings. Having 3-5 capable LHD doesn’t help Sandin cracking Toronto but jersey he may find a spot on their top 6 as early as this year.

If kerfoot and the devils don’t care about past negotiations then I think this deal is a win for both teams

Well done.


2.) 23 Nov 2020 23:46:23
Not sure Devils will trade their own head coaches son. Lol. I got to think Foote is untouchable.


3.) 23 Nov 2020 23:55:06
Never mind. For some reason I thought Foote got the job in NJ. It was Ruff. I knew if was Ruff too, so when I read, or thought I read, Foote got the job, I was confused.

Since Foote isn’t the coach there, and Jersey has no familial obligations to him, he’s trade bait.

Go get him Dubas. As his brother too. Heck. Go get the old man too. He could probably still play better than half the guys we got on the team now. He was awesome and anyone who watches him play knows it. A real unsung hero on an Avs team that was one of the best for a good number of years. A proud man with two kids that are on the verge of greatness themselves. Any kid like Foote coming from a family with such pedigree is bound to be a successful nhl player. It seems to be happening a lot more and more now these days.


4.) 24 Nov 2020 08:25:27
Adam Foote and Keith Tkachuk are two of my favorite players back then. I am 100% on board.


Agree completely HL.


 

 

21 Nov 2020 15:40:18
Haven't done a two part trade in a while.lol

Det
Kerfoot 3.5

Tor
Helm 3.85
Smith ELC

Detroit gets a younger and cost controlled 2/3 centre for the now and future. Leafs get a vet C/W on an expering contract and a bottom 6 prospect to make up difference in value and contract certainty that Detroit gets.

Then

NJ
Nylander 6.96
Holl 2

Tor
Severson 4.16
Foote ELC
Daws

NJ gets a scoring winger within the age range of their other young stars and a cheaper replacement for Severson on the RD. Devils can afford to move both Foote and Daws due to depth in the organization. Leafs upgrade their RD in Severson who also has term, pick up a potential top 6 power forward in Foote and a developing goalie in Daws who has #1 potential.

After all is said and done, Leafs also open up almost 4.5M in cap space this year and about 8M for next year while improving their D, adding a top 6 prospect, a bottom 6 prospect who both play a more physical game and a very good goalie prospect.

RLF

1.) 21 Nov 2020 16:05:15
Awesome, combine 2 previous deals and make them them both work a bit better. Even get Guelphs/ Germany’s awesome goalie that I wish leafs drafted.

Well done

Nothing much to add both deals are perfect, to me anyways if that means anything.


2.) 21 Nov 2020 18:00:55
Get trade like both!


3.) 21 Nov 2020 18:16:39
Both of these are thrown around in different forms a lot but I think your take here is the best. Good job.


 

 

20 Nov 2020 13:49:07
In the idea I have been doing for a while in trading a big4(either Marner or Nylander) for an aging overpriced contract and picks/prospects

Det
Nylander 6.96
Kral ELC

Tor
Helm 3.85
Rasmussen ELC
Smith ELC
2021 2nd Det
2021 2nd NYR

Detroit has a ton of expiring aging contracts end of season. This helps start there rebuild even faster as they get a proven scoring winger in the same age range as others like Larkin, Mantha, Bertuzzi etc. They also get a developing Lhd that can move the puck. They do this without losing any of their 1st round picks from last year or losing their 1st for 2021.

Leafs take on Helm's expiring overpriced contract where he is still owed $3M to Nylander's $2.5. Helm still has the wheels to play in bottom 6 and is sound defensively. Get a former 9th overall pick in an improving power forward in Rasmussen, a bottom 6 young winger who plays a physical game in Smith and 2 2nds in the upcoming draft. Also get about $3M in cap relief this year and $7M for next season allowing them more flexibility and able to re-sign guys like Hyman etc with ease.

Detroit gets the better of the deal right away as Nylander is proven. It is a gamble for the Leafs. Hoping Ras can develop into a top 6 winger and Smith can be a bottom 6 winger. It will not be known if the Leafs did well until we see what the 2 2nds become and what they do with the extra $3M in cap space this year and extra $7M next season.

RLF

1.) 20 Nov 2020 16:55:28
Detroit can easily afford both Nylanders salary and his cap hit. It is not a burden on them. If they want him, they can have him. But they need to pay fair price. Guys like Kessel (twice), O’Rielly, B. Schenn, Duchene, for example, all brought 2x1st+. I got to think that would be the starting point for negotiations if Leafs are trying to dump him. Heck, even Kapanen brought back a 1st+B-prospect (Hollander) .

I’m basing this off precedents and without consideration for current market conditions. I see what you are getting at, but outside of a small $3M cap savings this year, we definitely take a step backwards. And no guaranteed step forward with the picks/ prospects coming back.


2.) 20 Nov 2020 19:42:55
HL. All true, but there are always extenuating circumstances. The Kapanen trade for one, we also had to give them Lindgren who may very well play in the NHL and Aberg, a cheap depth forward with NHL experience. Plus take Rodrigues, who we didn't even qualify and Warsofsky of their hands and their payroll.

Rasmussen is a former 9th overall pick and big guys typically take a little longer. Still a top 10 pick. Smith is a 2nd rounder, plus two more seconds we get and only take on cap for one season of an overpaid, but still usefull player.
Nylander and a former 5th round pick for one year of Helm, a former 9th overall, a former 2nd rounder and 2 more 2nds in this draft plus $3M in cap space for this year and $7M for 3 more years.

You wouldn't do Nylander and a 5th for a top 10 1st, 3 2nds and a bottom 6 roster player?

The 1st we got in the Kapanen deal and Hollander, we still have no idea what they will be yet anymore than we would if we got two 1sts (yet TBD how high of 1sts we can get) for Nylander that haven't been drafted yet. To me, that $7 mil in cap space is like picking up at least another 1st rounder because we now easily retain, Rielly, Hyman and can still add to the team. If keeping Nylander for instance means we ultimately lose Rielly and Hyman, I would rather move Nylander. Just my opinion.


3.) 20 Nov 2020 23:45:57
Don’t get rid of Kral just yet. He was a slow developer and now looks like a big steal.

Rasmussen will be a huge bust and if yzerman was drafting for Detroit then he wouldn’t draft this big kid. When gms start with new teams they generally berid his new team of former 1st rounders he doesn’t like and gets better players for these disliked players. This deal does that for yzerman. He’d be all over this since he missed out on being able to pick the German he wanted he now gets a more vet but young Swedish star player to help his most recent Swede draft pick. Ias a perfect trade for yzerman

For Toronto if it’s to shed cap and gain prospects then we’ll done perfect trade partner.


4.) 21 Nov 2020 00:15:24
I’d target better prospects Rasmussen is similar to Liljegren has the potential to be an nhl player but can’t seem to make the jump.


5.) 21 Nov 2020 00:28:11
I’m not sold on Rasmussen anymore. When he was drafted, I thought he was a good choice. But injuries and a lacklustre play when he was in the nhl kinda turned me off him. He’s far from a sure thing. I look at him now as maybe another Gauthier at best. But I could still be wrong. He might bounce back. He’s good speed and skates well for a guy his size. Just seems like a bit of a gamble.


6.) 21 Nov 2020 13:38:19
I understand why everyone would want to target a higher profile prospect than Ras. He did have some back trouble last year, which apparently is gone. Also, the Wings are trying to make him a centre, so he is having to try and learn that at the pro level. They have taken their time with him instead of rush him. They rushed him as a 19 year old into the Bigs and it was too early. Personally, I still think he will be a top 9 forward. Let's face it, with almost no one signed through this year, we are not getting their top prospects.

As for Smith, who gets overlooked in this deal, he is the bottom 6 presence we could use. Has some skill, but plays an in your face game and not afraid of anyone.

The two 2nds should be pretty high picks and could be moves in a deal for more help. Then of course the $7M in cap space after this season.

It may just be me, but I think Ras/ Smith, the picks and the $7M in caps space helps this team more the Nylander will if Marner is not moved.


 

 

 

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27 Nov 2020 16:22:07
@HL-Yep, it is like you praised the turkey for eating so well and kept encouraging him to do so, right before you lopped off its head, cooked him and served him with a side of cranberry sauce.

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27 Nov 2020 15:49:34
I don't think NYR moves Fox as they would be losing something of importance off of the current roster and add his cap hit to Buchnevich's, and we lose the cap flexibility and would now have to protect 4 D at the draft.

Killorn is the likely target from Tampa that they would be willing to move. At $4.45 and them being about $3M over cap already with Cernak and Cirelli still to sign, Killorn becomes expendable. Getting Korskov doesn't seem like a lot for a player like Killorn, whose numbers may have dropped off a bit, but does other things but score that we need. Getting Korshkov for Killorn and the $4.45 in cap space is likely better than getting the $5 in cap space for Johnson and have to add a high pick or prospect just for someone to take him (which they still may have to do after the trade I suggested) .

Losing Nylander is tough, but having extra cap space, more solid prospects, while adding harder to play against players to the immediate roster, makes a better team for now and the long run. imo.

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26 Nov 2020 20:54:12
Now that is creative.
I really don't want to watch those shifts after the first two lines come off the ice and our 2nd and 3rd pairs are out there with our 3rd and 4th lines. lol.

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26 Nov 2020 20:01:24
@Leafs1994. Let's look at it a different way. Would you trade the 19th overall pick and a 2nd round pick for Kerfoot at 750 retained and Dermott? I would doubt it. I know I wouldn't.
Now if the deal was say Nylander for Buchnevich (who needs a new deal next year), a lower prospect like Gettinger and Schneider, I think that is the type of move the Rangers would have to consider moving Schneider for. They send out some cap, but bring in a better player then they sent out and Schneider is the only way to make that happen. Just my opinion of course.

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26 Nov 2020 15:57:39
Schneider was my choice as well. Since NYR traded up to get him, I doubt they move him unless it is in part of a big package for a more high profile player.

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