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11 Apr 2024 13:13:09
What do you guys think it would take to get Jake Middleton? $2.45M for another season. I know he is an LD, but if the Leafs could get him and sign Roy, the top 4 is Rielly-Roy and Middleton-McCabe with Benoit-Timmins as the currently signed 3rd pair. Looks pretty solid enough. You could go cheaper and put Rielly and McCabe together and sign a guy like Carrier to play with Middleton.
Problem is that from what I can tell, Minny is still looking to compete now.
Would this work?
Minny
Liljegen RFA
Robertson RFA
Tor
Middleton $2.45M
Not sure if it works for Minny, as they have most of their team re-signed for next season. But it would allow them to move Johansson down to the 3rd line and try Robertson with Ek and Boldy, Liljegren would slot into 3RD and they get a little younger on the overall.
1.) 11 Apr 2024 17:31:13
RLF if you think Middleton can play 2LD, then I'm in. I would, however, like to get a mid pick back if possible (we are giving Minny to young cost controlled RFA's) .
I like targeting Roy as well, he is high on my UFA list.
2.) 11 Apr 2024 21:39:21
Looks good to me. I like Middleton well enough as well.
McCabe looks good on his offside right now, but is that something we want to commit to going forward? Depends on what's available I guess.
3.) 12 Apr 2024 05:30:27
What really hurts is that Dubas could have had Middleton from San Jose for a 2nd plus a prospect but instead choice to trade for Giordano (2 - 2nds & 3rd) when he could have signed Giordano in the summer for nothing.
Another one of Dubas’ multitude of blunders.
Instead Minnesota sent San Jose a 2nd plus Kahkonen for Jake Middleton.
4.) 13 Apr 2024 00:07:18
Not a good 3rd pair.
01 Apr 2024 20:47:15
So, this is the perfect target for the Leafs defence imo. I have brought up Lauzon many times, but he would be the perfect guy for the Leafs. Yes, he shoots left, but he plays the right side often and the Leafs need to chase a guy like Roy if he becomes available
Nash
Robertson RFA
Steeves RFA
Gregor RFA
Tor
Lauzon $2M
Afanasyev RFA
Nash picks up speed, youth and potential scoring. Leafs pick up a physical D and a player that could use a change of scenery, like Steeves, he has produced in the A.
1.) 01 Apr 2024 23:38:10
RLF
Robertson has some wheels
If Keefe installs Jarnknok to bench Robinson I don't know what to think but fire him!
2.) 02 Apr 2024 00:48:29
WeatherMac. Yes, he has wheels. This isn't the playoffs though. The better he plays, the more his value. I'm good with that.
3.) 02 Apr 2024 03:19:25
I don't know who Nash is but as we can see with Robertson he is going to be a perennial 30 to 40 goal scorer
Put robertson with Marner Holmberg down the middle then Tavaras between McMann or Knies and Nylander.
4.) 02 Apr 2024 03:31:05
RLF
Why do you insist on trading 22 year old Robertson when there is strong evidence he will put up 30 to 35 goals. I’m being conservative on that estimate it’s minimum he gets over 82 game.
You know Marner is one of the best set up men in NHL.
TELL ME IN DRAFT PICKS WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR ROBERTSON?
5.) 02 Apr 2024 06:03:03
@DM eight firsts. It would be insane to trade Robertson for less.
I'm also think of Mcdavid for Marner.
6.) 02 Apr 2024 12:15:15
weathermac. I just showed you what Robertson is worth. Tell me which actual 22 year old 30-35 minimum goals player you are referring to and I will tell you what kind of picks I think he is worth.
7.) 02 Apr 2024 20:07:14
What evidence is there he’s gonna score 35? He’s on pace for about 19 over an 82 game season. There won’t be room for him going forward.
8.) 03 Apr 2024 02:33:31
Robertson may go on to score quite a few goals in his career but the problem is, at the moment, he is a a fairly one dimensional player.
He has a great shot.
But he doesn’t defend well, doesn’t hit or block shots much, doesn’t penalty kill and isn’t a shut down player.
A lot will depend on whether Leafs resign Bertuzzi and/ or Domi.
Along with McMann and Knies there are only so many left wing slots available on a team and Robertson isn’t a 4th line player.
So that leaves 3 LW positions to fill.
If Leafs resign Bertuzzi and have just resigned McMann (a better 2 way player, and will definitely be keeping Knies, where does Robertson slot into the lineup.
9.) 03 Apr 2024 16:19:29
Agree WB.
31 Mar 2024 14:21:15
Mackin
Buf
Robertson RFA
Tor
Jokiharju RFA
I had put this out before and it makes a ton of sense for both teams if Robertson is as good a s you say. Buffalo gets a "30" goal scorer and Toronto gets a mid pair RD. Both young. Both RFA's. Leafs can then look for a 2nd pair, Big LD which is easier to find than an RD, to play with Jokiharju.
Rielly McCabe
Big LD Jokiharju
Benoit (Boosh?)
1.) 31 Mar 2024 16:09:13
RLF do you really think Jokiharju is better than Liljegren?
I haven't really seen much if Jim, buy from what I have, he doesn't do anything for me.
If we're trading Robertson for a Dman I would much rather target Ferraro, who I think offers much more than Jokiharju. Don't know what else is needed from the Leafs in that deal, but this is the way I'd rather go.
And then target Roy or Pesce in the off season.
2.) 31 Mar 2024 17:15:37
Tags, yes, I think Jokiharju is better. I think he is smarter with the puck and his defensive reads are better. I think he is a #4 and Lily a #5. I would trade Lily and bring in Jokiharju if it was straight up for Robertson like I showed. You could still bring in Roy for instance.
Rielly Roy
McCabe Jokiharju
Benoit Timmins/?
I'm really good with that. Then if you can sign say Trenin (Yes, I am still on Trenin lol), who is playing 4C in Colorado btw, you start to build upfront as well. If this happens, then I am good with moving Robertson, Liljegren and probably even Jarnkrok if Domi and/ or Bertuzzi are brought back.
3.) 31 Mar 2024 18:10:43
RLF no doubt that could work, but I'm still not sold on Jokiharju as you are (I think he or Lily can play #4 spot with an upgrade at #3). Also, I think Jokiharju's next contract will be $1/ $1.5M higher than Lily's.
Rielly Roy
Ferraro Liljegren
Benoit McCabe
Timmins or UFA (Bortuzzo, probably sign him for same as Timmins)
I think I'd rather trade Kampf in the off season and re-sign Dewar ($1.15M) 4C, he has shown we'll IMO.
4.) 31 Mar 2024 19:49:40
I would be ok young asset vs young asset
But regardless of what happens leafs this spring
They have dollars to fix the defence if we plug in what we have you see what’s missing
Reilly —————
McCabe Liljegren
Binot Niemelä
You could upgrade the 4 hole and slide Liljegren down to 6 th D
PESCE is a good target leafs just need to bid high.
5.) 31 Mar 2024 21:25:15
I don’t make that trade right now; maybe in the off-season we shop Robertson but I’d like to delay that decision until the year is over.
Jokiharju is another Liligren; everything except the number of games played screams the same thing.
Both 2017 picks, Lili 17th overall and Jokiharju 29th. Similar size, Lili’s offence is better. RLF mentions better reads; I don’t see him that much so I cannot really offer an alternative view except what I see the few times the Leafs play the Sabres.
Lili has played 193 games to Jokiharju’s 340 so again let’s see if Lili steps up his game. He’s carrying the puck with more confidence of late.
6.) 01 Apr 2024 00:41:40
Yes Rsears, I think we're all just talking about trading in the off season.
7.) 01 Apr 2024 00:44:17
Tags. Yes. I didn't think that part needed to be explained as no playoff teams make trades right now.
8.) 01 Apr 2024 12:41:31
I guess I was speaking more to making the decision later as opposed to right now.
9.) 01 Apr 2024 19:17:50
No explanation needed.
The TDL has come and gone.
26 Mar 2024 14:08:04
Big issue I see with the Flames is a lack of scoring. I am going to make a suggestion that the Flames and Treliving will put differences aside(should there be any) and Robertson goes there this summer.
Cgy
Robertson RFA
Tor
2024 2nd(Dal)
2024 4th
Calgary picks up a potential scorer and Leafs pick up some much needed draft capital.
1.) 27 Mar 2024 01:15:27
See here you go with ur Robinson trade again
Leafs could fall to seventh
In a way it wouldn’t be so bad you get Rangers instead of Florida.
2.) 27 Mar 2024 03:10:33
Since the Leafs (Keefe) seems reluctant to play Robertson a 2nd and a 4th would be fine.
3.) 27 Mar 2024 11:51:58
Waterbuffalo49
22 years old and you write him off next year he puts up 30 goals . Last night 11.02 ice time was tied for most shots on goal 6 only Gregor and Knies had. Less ice time . He played with Knies and Holmberg . Knies is really struggling but everyone cuts him some slack and Holmberg doesn’t have much of a offensive game.
4.) 27 Mar 2024 13:00:03
Oh Mackin you fell into my trap!
See, now the Leafs can trade the 2nd for Evangelista and have a 4th as well that they didn't have by keeping Robertson. Hehehe.
5.) 27 Mar 2024 17:14:27
Robertson is not an NHL player. AHL all star.
6.) 28 Mar 2024 01:28:54
Need Robertson to up his value as much as possible and use him to bring in a solid top pairing right shot defenseman.
7.) 29 Mar 2024 01:32:55
David 1 Mac
If you reread my post you will find I am not writing off Robertson or anything of the kind.
I said, “since Keefe seems reluctant to play him”
If the coach will only play a player 10:00 - 11:00 minutes per game, it doesn’t matter how good he might become.
If Leafs are intent on resigning Bertuzzi and already having Knies and McMann as left wings, there does not seem to be much room for Robertson to receive increased ice time next year either.
Robertson and a 2026 - 2nd round pick to San Jose for Ferraro and Kunin would bolster the Leafs defense and 4th line with the impending departure of Brodie and Giordano.
8.) 29 Mar 2024 20:11:44
David, Robertson is done as a Leaf.
He will be moved this off season, so pick another favorite, maybe Matthew Barbolini.
16 Mar 2024 13:41:45
Going to change my last one a touch as most seemed to think they would do it, but not Columbus.
Clb
Robertson RFA
Steeves RFA
Minten ELC
2024 1st
Tor
Jiricek $1.9M(at NHL level)
2024 4th
I've removed Svozil who I really like. Is this more fair for CBJ?
1.) 17 Mar 2024 01:07:33
To get a high upside, young, RHD it is definitely worth it.
From Columbus’s point of view, Robertson has shown he has the potential to be a 20+ goal scorer given the ice time and offensive line mates.
Minten made the Leafs team out of training camp and could probably start as 3rd or 4th line center for Columbus next season.
Steeves is still young and has the upside to be a bottom 6 forward though if I was Columbus I would be asking for Tverberg or Grebyonkin instead of Steeves.
Plus another 1st round pick to build on.
I could see Columbus trying to pry Cowan lose from the Leafs instead of Minten which I would not do.
Good value for both teams.
Fits a major need for the Leafs.
2.) 17 Mar 2024 22:00:43
Leaflife
who do you prefer in lineup Jarnknok or Robertson I like Robertson and next year he is a whole lot better.
3.) 18 Mar 2024 01:11:18
@DM Jarnkrok, but what does that have to do with RLF's prop?
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23 Apr 2024 12:56:41
Leafs outshot them again. Leafs were physical and played with energy. I didn't see a lot of difference from game 1. There were still some defensive breakdowns that led to goals against. After game 1, I felt the team played well, but needed better goaltending and to stay away from bad penalties.
Same amount of penalties to each team this game and both teams scored once on the PP.
Needed better goaltending. Check
Needed a timely save(s). Check
Needed to stop taking dumb penalties. Better, still needs work.
Needed to break up 3rd line. Played very little and often not as a complete line. Semi-check
They also battled all game even through being down twice and won this time, which is something relatively new. The other big difference I see in this team beyond the physicality, is that they are able to battle their way inside to the slot to get scoring chances and rebounds. It isn't a one shot and done scenario like in the past. There are rebound opportunities as well. Need this to win on the playoffs.
1.) 23 Apr 2024 14:58:02
Good summary, agreed.
Reaves has been able to keep up with the play and has been a physical beast.
Not sure if he’s faster or just smarter about how he sees the game or better routes but he’s been very effective.
I liked Dewar’s game last night as well.
2.) 23 Apr 2024 16:32:43
They need to do something with their PP I’d take marner off replace him with domi then put Robertson in the bumper spot if the kid has one thing it’s his shot Tampa has mastered the bumper also leafs need more from the second line our best lines have been 1st and 4th lines.
3.) 23 Apr 2024 16:57:39
@Goat put Marner in the press box. I've never seen someone fall off so hard the second playoffs start, every single year. He looks like an AHLer out there every year in April.
4.) 23 Apr 2024 18:06:15
LL I totally agree with you. I don’t want to be too negative on a good game. But yes Marner does not elevate his game for playoffs. I also still find the wingers dropping too low in our end, seen Bert chasing a few times. But not as bad as game 1. Other than that great effort by most, Sammy played well with some big saves. The big difference between game 1 and 2 for me (other than penalties) was the lack of turnovers in the neutral zone. They were dumping the puck in more often and getting on the forecheck. Boston waits for teams to make mistakes, if we keep the game simple our offence should be able to put score theirs. IMO of course.
5.) 23 Apr 2024 18:53:48
Agreed RLF.
Still have to refrain from taking dumb penalties, but the Bertuzzi one was laughable. Refs are so gullible. Marchand was barely touched on his right leg and falls down in agony holding his left. Such a joke.
Marner has been disappointing to me. Not sure if he's upset/ pouting about
the demotion or whether it's just
his standard play, he has to learn to adapt to the different style of
playoff hockey.
Leafs stayed in the game even though they fell behind twice.
Top line played great with Matthews leading the way. Got the first equalizer 14 seconds later, that was a big turning point IMO.
Clarky agree as well. Lots more dumping in and forechecking, especially with Matthews playing with Bertuzzi and Domi.
6.) 23 Apr 2024 20:27:50
Goat.
PP could be better for sure. I thought it was looking better, but a change could be what it needs.
LL.
He needs to pick up his game. Have to be bale to find space when space is hard to find.
Clarky
I didn't notice fewer turnovers in the neutral zone, but could be. $th line is big, heavy and doing exactly what they need to which is pin them in there end for a shift. They dump and chase and maybe the rest are seeing it too.
Tags.
Pretty much how I saw it all as well.
13 Apr 2024 23:59:37
Also, am I the only one who is really tired of Nylander on the PK. He should be no where near the pk.
1.) 14 Apr 2024 00:11:00
Is anyone else tired of Knies taking stupid offensive zone penalties?
BTW how does Kampf miss that puck along the boards? He was right there.
2.) 14 Apr 2024 00:47:18
@Tags I'm getting tired of Knies taking them as well. They're just idiotic penalties.
@RLF I don't understand why Willy is anywhere near the PK either. He's poor defensively on the best of days, a liability on the worst days.
3.) 14 Apr 2024 00:49:35
Tags. Lol. Yes, Knies takes too many penalties, I have already said that on here. I was talking about the pk. Willy has no business being on the pk.
4.) 14 Apr 2024 01:03:15
I’m not a fan of the carelessness of Knies either. He needs to lift up the stick like Matthews and not hook and hold.
Agreed Tags. These penalties in the O-zone are stupid.
I’m not necessarily against Nylander getting some PK but there are certainly times when his effort is lacking. It’s these half-efforts that can drive me crazy.
5.) 14 Apr 2024 01:11:04
RLF we definitely need help on the PK and Willy definitely isn't the greatest defensively. All we have are Kampf, Marner and Dewar when he's in the line up. I guess Jarnkrok when he's back.
Maybe they need to give more reps to Holmberg, McMann and possibly Knies.
6.) 14 Apr 2024 01:36:50
@Tags McCann has a great 200ft game imo. I'd be running him out there as much as possible as well on the PK.
7.) 14 Apr 2024 02:04:07
Tags. I know you love Willy, my complaint was more about Keefe playing him on the penalty kill. He shouldn't be there. It's that simple imo.
Rsears. There should be no such thing as a lack of effort on the pk. That is why Willy should be no where near it unless your down by a goal late in the 3rd.
LL. Ding ding ding. McMann on the PK. He is one of the best defensive forwards on the Leafs. He identifies his man quickly and doesn't puck chase. Big body with an active stick. Just what you need on the pk.
8.) 14 Apr 2024 03:59:24
I get what you're saying RLF and I agree, Willy is not the most intense/ engaged player out there.
Agree on McMann and also think Holmberg is good on the PK.
13 Apr 2024 23:56:47
And there goes Samsonov's confidence. I really didn't think they should have put him back in tonight. Should have played Woll and gave him time to reset after Thursday's game. End of first and Woll should go in.
11 Apr 2024 23:52:15
When the 2nd goal went past Samsonov I got to thinking - if this keeps up with the puck going by him, does he get "injured" again. End of 1st as I write this. 3 goals on 7 shots. Interesting to see how mentally tough Samsonov is going forward.
1.) 12 Apr 2024 01:42:27
Those last two goals against. Yikes. Not a good sign.
2.) 12 Apr 2024 12:38:22
Team didn't help him at the start with those 2 bad giveaways, but yes, Samsonov was horrible last night. Get it out of your system now and regroup for Game 1. I think Samsonov should start against Detroit and then sit him till playoffs. Give Woll and Jones the last 2 games.
Someone mentioned that he may been more emotional than usual with the
Amirov tribute, maybe Samsonov was the Leafs ambassador for the family during the day.
Anyways, defense looked horrible, resting McCabe really threw a wrench into the pairings. Also Edmundson's first game back, I'm sure he'll be much better next game or two.
I think Leafs really need Lily back soon, especially with the D-group
they have. Hopefully he comes back
for a game or 2 before the playoffs start.
3.) 12 Apr 2024 14:23:57
Tags. Maybe the Amirov tribute was too much. I didn't consider that.
As for the game. The team wasn't their best defensively, but also gave up almost no shots, so I would say it was a bad defensive outing. Samsonov looked like his confidence was shaken after those first two goals on almost no shots. I would rest him Saturday. Let him reset and play him against Florida. I would want to know if he can standout against the team we will be likely playing or if his confidence is actually wavering.
4.) 12 Apr 2024 17:08:49
RLF I guess it wasn't completely a bad defensive game, but TOO many egregious defensive errors leading to easy goals. These have to be eliminated or at least cut to a bare minimum.
Gio, Brodie gafs were pretty bad, especially Gio's. But also Edmundson can't let Bratt squeeze through him and the boards that easily, it has to be stopped as well.
08 Apr 2024 14:21:26
Does anyone think Dewar is capable of the 3C spot?
If he was, I'd love to see my original thought on lines
McMann Matthews Marner
Domi JT Nylander
Knies Dewar Bert
Holmberg Kampf Reaves
Problem with Dewar is that he is not good on the dot and that is a necessity for a 3C. Especially if taking a lot of D-zone faceoffs. I don't see Dewar as a 3C mostly due to that fact. I'm not going to get into the Kampf at 3C debate, but switch Kampf and Dewar and I like it alot better.
1.) 08 Apr 2024 18:43:01
I mean I guess the stability of playing at home, letting him settle into a role I still want to see a line of Domi Matthews marner. The other part to accepting that long term deal is advertising, I'm sure being locked up long term would have companies trying to get both domos to do some adds for them.
2.) 08 Apr 2024 18:46:23
I think holmberg on 3c and dewar on 4th wing is more what I want to see. I also feel bad for Gregor, he had a great start to the year, just got cooled off. I really really like him as a 13th forward though.
3.) 08 Apr 2024 19:44:18
Kampf is still better at 3C imo.
4.) 08 Apr 2024 23:04:04
It’s a legitimate question, for sure. And you’re right about his poor FO stats.
For me, I’m not unhappy with Kampf, Dewar and Reaves against Florida. They have been solid and have chipped in a few lately.
Like you, I am a big McMann supporter. He can easily move up and down (L1 to L3). I think Marner could create scoring chances galore for him.
And maybe putting Domi with Tavares would change his pass-first mentality; his shot is pretty decent.
The only question I would offer is Bertuzzi on RW. He’s not a good puck-handler and he might have some challenges on breakouts on his off-side, especially with Florida’s aggressive punches.
Need to test it soon to see the results!
5.) 08 Apr 2024 23:16:33
So I’m seeing Bert on RW tonight so I guess he had some history.
OOPS.
6.) 09 Apr 2024 18:11:35
I’m surprised they never tried dewar there but seems like him and kampf have become a pretty good shutdown pair.
25 Apr 2024 12:52:45
I don't think winning matters that much to Zegras. He plays like a guy who just wants to show off what skills he has. No desire to play the right way etc.
25 Apr 2024 12:50:23
Can't get behind a trade that sends most of the Leafs youth for aging players. Lee and Palmieri are both 33and Pulock 29. Make it something around Marner for Pulock and Palmieri and I could probably get behind it. I doubt Marner waives for NYI though.
24 Apr 2024 12:28:08
Since an extension is agreed upon, I would think the Leafs could reduce that package. Marner and Lily for Benn, Johnston and Harley. I would probably be willing to add Robertson, but not Minten as well.
23 Apr 2024 13:02:29
At least you can out the broom away.
18 Apr 2024 16:24:20
LL. IIRC, there is something in their about the current Yotes ownership has 5 years to be able to bring a team back to Arizona or something like that. New arena site, Shovels in the ground on a new arena, finances in order etc have to all be done in 5 years. It is a strange situation. It's like the League is giving the owner $1B and 5 years to get it done and then charging the Utah group $1.2B to have the franchise, but Arizona ownership has 5 years to show they can have a franchise and likely the League then charges them a franchise fee. I don't know. It's confusing.
26 Apr 2024 12:43:06
He's suffered from Migraines for a long time. We could really use Willy at 100% because Marner is playing at about 50%.
I find it odd that no one is talking about missing McMann. Yes I like how the guy plays. Another big body that can skate, chip in offensively and be very solid defensively should be a big add for this team if he can come back also.
26 Apr 2024 12:38:43
LL. lol. Pretty much Robertson. As I said earlier in the year, he needs to learn to read plays and slow down. He goes full blast all the time even when unnecessary. I admire the energy, but a lot of it is wasted energy.
25 Apr 2024 18:33:52
That whole line has been very good. Kampf has been doing an awesome job of cycling the puck and has a goal. The D has not been the issue everyone thought it might be either. The whole team seemed a little flat last night, but other than that, the D hasn't been the issue. The difference has mostly been goaltending and Keefe being married to his line combinations and thinking Marner playing at 50% of his capabilities is going to get a win.
Goaltending and coaching, that's the difference. imo
I couldn't ask the team to compete any harder really. For the most part, they are competing and it is mostly the guys Tree brought in. Domi, Bert, Edmundson, Benoit, Reaves, Dewar, Boosh along with McCabe, Matthews, Kampf and I have liked Holmberg for the most part. By no means have I felt Boston has been the clearly better team.
Robertson has been fine, but if he wants to be in the lineup, he has to produce, which he hasn't.
25 Apr 2024 12:44:51
Clarky. Last night I don't think the Leafs played overly well, but Sammy was OK. OK isn't good enough. The first goal, just over 2 minutes left in the 2nd period, he gets beat short side from the side boards. Can't go in. The second goal, first two minutes of the 3rd, shot hits him in the glove it drops out right in front of him for an easy rebound goal. That's not good enough. He made some nice saves, but in a 1-0 game, that tying goal was brutal. Sammy has had one poor game, then a great game then an ok game. I still think Woll should have been the goalie to start game 1.
Let's go to Keefe. His decision to up Marner's playing time is a complete head scratcher. Yes, Marner made a nice play on the 1st goal, but was mostly brutal and Keefe insists on giving him ice-time to "get him going. " This is the playoffs, not regular season. You play the guys who are going. He took ice from the 4th line and gave it to the 2nd line. Reaves played 7 mins, Dewar 10 and Kampf 12:45 last night while Marner got a series high of over 23 mins. At this point, if Willy still can't go Saturday, then I would actually rather see Robertson tale Marner's spot on the 2nd line and Marner go to the 3rd line. If Willy can, then Robertson sits, Willy 2nd line and Marner 3rd line.
The whole Dubas style needs to go. Keefe should have been let go and replaced before the season started. I think Tree has built a better playoff style team, but he made a mistake in keeping Keefe. imo.
24 Apr 2024 12:54:44
I did write this below to this question, but will re-post;
I remember him getting hit around the redline last game against the boards and Willy was angry. You could tell he yelled at the guy. I think that is when whatever it is happened.
Let's also remember that Tree wants no information on injuries being made public. Discomfort could be worse than it sounds, but that is what Keefe is told to say.