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21 Jan 2022 13:00:42
So, this deal got a fair amount of support, which makes me think my initial thought of asking Buffalo to take both Mrazek and Ritchie was too much. So I am re-adjusting and adding a second deal.
Buf
Nylander $6.96M
Mrazek $3.8M
Tor
Tuch $4.75M
Jokiharju $2.5M
Anderson $.750M
Hagg $1.6M
2nd deal
NJ
Kerfoot $3.5M
Ritchie $2.5M($1M retained)
Tor
McLeod $.975M
Okhotyuk ELC
Cap out $15.76M
Cap in $8.225M
Cap space gained $7.535M(includes Ritchie's retention)
First deal was explained before.
NJ gets a top 6 forward who can PP and having a very good season while signed for another year. They take on Ritchie, but with the Leafs retaining $1M, Ritchie is priced properly and they give up a D prospect I really like in Okhotyuk which makes up the value difference between Kerfoot and McLeod at the moment.
Leafs get McLeod, who has speed and can play C or LW and is signed for another season at $.975. He can take Kerfoot's spot on JT's wing and I don't really think there will be a drop off. He can play centre and great on the draw if and injury occurs. Okhotyuk gives us another D prospect. The $7.5M in cap space solves the Leafs cap issues now and moving forward.
Bunting Matthews Marner
McLeod JT Tuch
Mikheyev Kampf Kase
Clifford Spezza Simmonds
Engvall
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Jokiharju
Sandin Hagg
Holl, Dermott, Liljegren
Campbell
Anderson
With all the cap space and D depth, Leafs can make a move to upgrade the 4th line and add another goalie at the TDL if they want, without giving up high picks or prospects. With the new cap space and the players who are on expiring contracts, they should have pots of cap to re-sign any of the players they want while giving Campbell a good raise. Holl can be moved in the off-season as well if they want to clear more cap space.
1.) 21 Jan 2022 13:09:28
The only thing achieved here is cap space the team got worse tho.
2.) 21 Jan 2022 16:14:53
@L1994. Explain how it is worse?
3.) 21 Jan 2022 20:11:44
What a hot mess.
4.) 21 Jan 2022 22:15:49
Explain the hot mess Rocket.
5.) 21 Jan 2022 23:02:12
Tuch is the only good player you brought in and I’d say offensively he’s not close to nylander this mcloed kid that’s everyone seems to be hornet about puts up fourth line numbers and you go him in the top six and the two defencemen you have here are bottom pair guys.
6.) 22 Jan 2022 02:01:44
L1994. As for McLeod, you told me the same thing about Bennett. He now has 40pts in 41 games for Florida playing in the top 6. I wasn't wrong on Bennett, but you assume I am on McLeod. Jukiharju is playing 21 mins a night on a bad Buffalo team and looks quite good for a 22 year old. Hagg is a very good 3rd pair defensive D. Anderson at 40 is better than Mrazek and $7M+ in Cap space means they can add a big piece at the deadline if they want.
No doubt in my mind this is a better overall team with more cap flexibility than the current team.
20 Jan 2022 17:04:23
Before the yelling begins, I agree, Nylander has been very good this year.
Buf
Nylander $6.96M
Mrazek $3.8M
Ritchie $2.5M
Tor
Tuch $4.75M
Jokiharju $2.5M
Anderson $.750M
Hagg $1.6M
Buffalo gets the best player in the deal, Nylander. At 25 and another 2 years Left on his deal, he should fit in nicely with their young guys and vets. Mrazek gives them some goaltending(quality is questionable) for the next couple of seasons if healthy. Ritchie gets a new home and Buffalo takes him instead of sending another young player.
Tor gets a bigger RW for Tavares who plays a different style than Nylander but also an offensive style of player. Signed for multiple years at $2.2M less than Nylander. Leafs get help on defence. Jokiharju is a young and improving RD signed for another year. Anderson gives them a vet backup when healthy again on an expiring contract. Hagg gives them a defensive minded D-man who can play both sides and is also on an expiring contract. Leafs remove Mrazek and Ritchie's contract and create $3.66M in cap space for this season.
1.) 20 Jan 2022 18:28:57
That’s actually a great trade.
2.) 20 Jan 2022 20:30:04
I hate moving Nylander right now. I think it send a bad message to the team. That said, this is a really original and solid prop. Well done.
3.) 20 Jan 2022 20:32:00
I like it. gets rid of 2 of the 5 guys i think we need to bail on. the others being Muzzin, holl and Dermott. I just don't see Dubas moving Wee Willy out.
4.) 20 Jan 2022 20:34:11
And also allows the Leafs to do something else with additional cap space.
The only downside (and it’s only because I’ll play the Devils Advocate) is Anderson won’t be back due to his age. Since Woll is waiting why not put him as backup earlier and get a different asset from Buffalo?
5.) 20 Jan 2022 21:50:56
@Rsears
I like the idea of having Anderson. Should an injury happen you can still run with Old man Anderson and Will instead of another Hutch year.
6.) 20 Jan 2022 23:23:49
RFL, hurry finally another person who wants that bum Nylander out. He skates around like his sweater is made of Egg Shells and will not engage in a Physical game with a forecheck.
I love the trade and hope it goes through.
Dubas could also trade Holl to Islanders for Scott Mayfield.
And could also trade Dermont for some 4th line help, because Simmons is too slow and doesn't want to hit anymore because his body is to beat up!
7.) 21 Jan 2022 00:53:41
Love this deal and would even throw in a 1st round pick to get it done!
17 Jan 2022 17:09:56
Some talk about Severson in the last bit on here. No secret to most I like him and McLeod. I think any team will have to pay pretty big for Severson though.
NJ
Kerfoot $3.5M
Ritchie $2.5M
Liljegren $.863
Amirov ELC
2022 1st
Tor
Severson $4.16M
McLeod $.975M
Cap out $6.863M
Cap in $5.13M
$1.73 cap space.
NJ picks up a solid top 9 C/W in Kerfoot, a good uoung D in Liljegren who is cost controlled for years, a 2022 1st and one of the Leafs top prospects in Amirov. Ritchie only has one year left on his deal and they have to take him and his cap hit to get all the rest of the pieces.
Leafs pick up a top 4 RD signed for an extra year and McLeod is solid defensively and great on the draw. Both improe the Leafs now and both signed for an extra year. If the Leafs can move Mrazek in the off-season, they will have enough space to re-sign Campbell. If the can move Holl as well, they can likely sign Campbell and re-up Mikheyev. Leafs use assets to acquire players with some term over a rental.
Bunting Matthews Marner
McLeod Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Kampf Kase
Clifford Spezza Simmonds
Engvall
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Severson
Sandin Holl
Dermott
Campbell
Mrazek
1.) 17 Jan 2022 17:25:12
Severson is only a rental+ at this point so I'm not sure if it costs all that. I think you might be able to throw them a bit of a later pick and take out Amirov. If this is the price though, I would still accept it.
2.) 17 Jan 2022 17:31:16
@LL. That is two playoff runs on an underpaid player. His lower cap hit will drive up the cost. imo.
3.) 17 Jan 2022 18:10:39
Massive overpayment for that package. Kerfoot is playing great this year and if the Leafs were a seller, they could potentially fetch a 1st for him at this point.
4.) 17 Jan 2022 18:59:19
T-buds. Kerfoot is playing well and maybe you get a late 1st for him. But since the top teams who have no cap space will own the late 1sts, I doubt you get one. Rebuilding teams do not want to give up their 1sts for Kerfoot for 1 year+. Severson is 33rd in the NHL for D-men TOI. Tied for 52nd in D points. Plays PP and PK. Takes the tough matchups. Makes only $.6M more than Kerfoot. Is a right shot. He does this while playing on a rebuilding team. McLeod is becoming one of the better 3rd line two way centres. He is still an RFA at end of his deal. You may be right, but if you remember what you said top pair D-men are worth in a trade, this is very close to that.
5.) 17 Jan 2022 19:33:03
@RLF I like your targets, but do you think the deal could still work by removing Lilegren and adding either Holl or Dermott?
I really see Lilegren being in the Leafs future top 4 for a while.
6.) 17 Jan 2022 19:54:28
@RLF I'm not against the trade, I'm more thinking it doesn't take that much.
Looking at it again though it's close.
Ritchie (cap dump) +Lili+1st+Amirov for Severson. Probably costs close to a first or Lili to dump Ritchie.
McLeod for Kerfoot is probably close to fair value. Kerfoot looks better but is a bit older.
7.) 17 Jan 2022 21:00:22
@Tagz. You explained exactly why I think Liljegren would be an ask from NJ. Right shot and may be able to play top 4 someday.
@LL. I know you were not saying you were against it.
Everyone may be right that it is an overpay. Leafs need that cap space now and movingforward. Having McLeod and resigning Mikheyev combined for likely less than the cap hit of Kerfoot is a win. Moving Holl down the lineup and having Severson is a win. Moving Holl in the off-season is easier and keeping him for a playoff push is a positive. The extra cap space now can be used for another playoff push addition. The cap space with Holl moved in the off-season should help cover resigning Campbell. I think of more than just value when I propose a trade. It is second to overall impact to the team for me.
8.) 17 Jan 2022 23:54:41
OMG!
Kerfoot is having a career year.
Liljegren has proven he is an NHL defenseman and is just beginning to show what he is capable of.
Amirov was a 2020 1st round pick (#15) and you suggest giving another 1st round pick (2022).
Let’s hope Dubas does not do something so foolish!
9.) 18 Jan 2022 00:34:30
@waterbuffalo. You do realize McLeod was a 12th overall pick right? So if you want to go by how high guys we're drafted, McLeod is the highest of all the players. So far Amirov has done nothing. Liljegren is almost 23 and just finding his way to the NHL. A 2nd pair D is likely his ceiling if he progresses. Kerfoot is having a career year yes. What did he really do before last playoffs? A late first may not even make the NHL. Kerfoot will likely need to be moved to resign Campbell anyway. My guess is you have no real clue about Severson or McLeod. You probably know them by their Stats line only.
10.) 18 Jan 2022 00:37:26
I will also add for those who are now so enthralled with Kerfoot. How many of his assists are great plays by him? How manybof his goals are? He is solid, but he having a solid year, but he is still replaceable for less then $3.5m.
11.) 18 Jan 2022 01:21:36
It will absolutely not cost a 1st to trade away Ritchie, even if they want to or need to. The Leafs trading a 1st to rid Marleau was uniquely different and still an overpayment. Marleau was traded and subsequently bought out. Ritchie can play, just not on the Leafs top 2 lines right now.
12.) 18 Jan 2022 01:26:44
@RLF just talking out loud now as I think about how close it is lol.
@WB you rather go for a cup for 2 years or have prospects? Lol.
13.) 18 Jan 2022 02:24:42
@Tbuds I keep hearing this argument that Ritchie is a good player just not on the Leafs. He's on his third team since being drafted in 2014. He has never been a good player, always a bottom 6 guy on a good team and a middle sixer on a rebuilding team.
He cleared waivers. That means no one wants him for free. You think someone is going to then pay for him?
14.) 18 Jan 2022 03:04:49
T-buds. Didn't Marleau go on to play two more seasons putting up similar points to Ritchie while playing more average minutes per game after Marleau was bought out? Seems like Marleau could play in the NHL as well, but just not on the Leafs top 2 lines. That said, Ritchie's buyout is much less and he is younger. It may cost a 2nd to move him. What is Liljegren really worth at this point? Maybe a 2nd?
15.) 18 Jan 2022 03:34:36
@RLF How about removing Ritchie (cap dump) so we can also remove Lily.
Proposed
Kerfoot
Holl or Dermott
Amirov
2022 1st
For
Severson
McLeod
Don't you think this would be enough?
16.) 18 Jan 2022 13:13:10
@Tagz. That may very well be enough. Value is one thing, but as I said, the Leafs have the cap and future contracts to consider as well. Especially if they want to re-sign Campbell. This proposal change creates no new cap space. Now, Leafs still have to try and move Ritchie in order to sign Campbell and probably let Mikheyev and/ or Kase or both walk. Ritchie will cost and asset to move.
Just my opinion, but Mrazek and Ritchie at the moment should be priorities to move. Having Simmonds and Clifford, plus McLeod who is also a pretty physical guy who will drop the gloves if needed, makes Ritchie expendable and McLeod is an upgrade. McLeod also brings tons of speed to the lineup. McLeod kills penalties and over the last two years has 75% of his zone starts are defensive end, yet he still has 9 points this season so far while being 58% on the dot. $.975 this year and next. People love Kampf at $1.5M. Kampf starts about 80% defensive zone the last two seasons with a 55% F. O% with 10 pts. McLeod is the underrated player by many in this deal. There is way more to McLeod. I feel as strongly about this as I did Bennett. I would give the late 1st maybe even a little + for McLeod alone.
The Leafs need to plan for after next season in the off-season because that is when Muzzin and Brodies's NTC's become M-NTC's. That is when they are both moveable as they are heading into the last season of their contracts. Severson and McLeod would need new deals at the same time. Move out Muzzin after next season, promote Sandin to second pair and re-sign Severson. Still have Dermott, Rubins etc moving forward.
These are all just my opinions obviously. You may have the better proposal.
17.) 18 Jan 2022 13:53:06
@LL. I broke the trade down like this.
At minimum Kerfoot and Amirov for Severson.
Our late 1st and a little + for McLeod.
Ritchie, we will need to give something back for them to take him. So, we need a little add for McLeod, probably a little more for Severson and something for taking Ritchie and adding $1.7M to their cap. Enter Liljegren.
18.) 18 Jan 2022 14:36:55
@RLF I understand you're also looking at next year's cap space, but we can move Mrazek and Ritchie in the off season.
IMO it's more important to keep Liljegren instead of adding him and Ritchie to the proposal.
We can address the cap issue in the off season.
Ritchie might be easier to move in the off season with only 1 year remaining on his contract.
I would like to keep Mrazek for insurance incase anything happens to Campbell.
As you say, these are just our opinions which really mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. But they are fun to debate though.
19.) 18 Jan 2022 19:30:47
@Tagz. All good. You just put more value on Liljegren than I do. I see his ceiling as being a complimentary #4 to a good #3 or he may be a very good #5. As I have said before, Sandin is the better D imo and I think he will continue to be so. We may have other potential #4 or #5's in the system. Liljegren's biggest asset at the moment is that he is a right shot, which we are in short supply.
That and we may find it harder than we think to move Ritchie in the off-season if he keeps playing 4th line minutes.
20.) 20 Jan 2022 14:48:39
@RLF I think Lily has the better chance of being a top 4D than Sandin.
Lily is bigger, faster, has good gap control of the rush. He just needs to work on his confidence and decision making. I wish he had Sandin's hockey IQ though.
I believe Sandin will have a great career as a PP specialist, not geared for top 4 duties IMO.
07 Jan 2022 19:16:41
Buf
Mrazek $3.8M
Robertson ELC
Ritchie $2.5M
Tor
Girgensons $2.2M
Anderson $.750
Hagg $1.6M
Cap in $4.55M
Cap out $6.3M
Buffalo gets a vet goalie for the next few years while they build. They get a young talented prospect, but have to take on Ritchie's contract to get Robertson. Buf still needs to reach cap floor and Ritchie may be better off in the obscurity of Buffalo over the spotlight of Toronto. With just one more season on Ritchie's contract, it should make sense for them.
Toronto picks up a cheap vet back up, a two way C/LW that is solid defensively and also a solid depth D in Hagg who can play both LD/RD. Leafs get $1.75M in cap space.
Both Hagg and Anderson are off the books end of season giving Leafs even more cap flexibility to re-sign Campbell(extra $2.35M). Girgensons signed for one more season at $2.2M. Leafs could move Kerfoot in the off-season and re-sign Mikheyev cheaper than Kerfoot's $3.5M clearing some more cap now that they have Girgensons, Bunting, Mikheyev on the left side.
1.) 07 Jan 2022 19:56:37
@RLF I do like it. Small deals that makes the Leafs better IMO, saves cap space and really doesn't tinker with team chemistry.
I really like Girgensons.
A couple of questions:
1. Do you think Mrazek would waive he NTC for Buffalo?
2. Is Hagg good enough to play top 4 RD?
2.) 07 Jan 2022 21:28:47
@Tagz.
1. Probably not, but not impossible. Depends on whether he wants to be a #1 or if he is fine in a backup roll. I don't think he is getting the chance in Toronto he thought he would get, so maybe.
2. If the #3 is really, really good he may be able to play a complimentary #4 role or in a pinch because of injuries he could fill in. But I see him as a good #5.
3.) 07 Jan 2022 23:13:05
@RLF
If we're relying on #3 being really really good, then I think we may be in trouble.
I know you prefer not to break the bank for add ons, but I don't agree. Leafs are right there and I'm sure Dubas is going to try and make a big splash for either a top 4 RHD or top 6 LW.
I honestly would target Chychrun at 23 years of age and with 3 years left at $4.6M. Get this deal done and then worry about trading Muzzin on the off season.
4.) 08 Jan 2022 13:56:27
I said I don't agree on breaking the bank for a rental. Chychrun would not be a rental. They will ask the moon for Chychrun though and he would be on his wrong side. I would look at guys I have mentioned beg=fore like P. Myers, Severson, Roy, Peeke. Can you pry Cernak out of TB for prospects as they will have cap trouble again next year. Cernak would not be cheap, but none of the others should cost what Chychrun will.
5.) 08 Jan 2022 15:06:04
@RLF sorry misunderstood.
Anyways, I still would pursue Chychrun even though steep price.
IMO
Forwards
Core 4 is still younger with the exception of Tavares. As long as they do well in playoffs, they'll remain together.
Defence
Rielly is corner stone with his new contract.
Leafs need Muzzin's replacement as he is approaching his best before date IMO. Chychrun will have to play RD this season (which I've read he has played in the past, not sure about in NHL though) . hopefully this pairing rejuvenates Muzzin.
Once season is over, Muzzin needs to be traded and Chychrun takes over.
Probably not going to happen, but that's the direction I would.
6.) 08 Jan 2022 15:10:48
BTW do you think Mayfield may be possible with the position Islanders are in?
He is big, tough and has playoff experience with another year remaining on his contract. He should't cost too much and would definitely be an upgrade over Holl.
7.) 09 Jan 2022 06:06:09
Another good prop by RLF.
8.) 09 Jan 2022 14:20:36
@Tagz. Mayfield may be available, but although he is decent defensively, is big and hits, his whole career he has been a giveaway machine. He is not very careful with the puck and that improved some under Trotz, but not when he has been forced into a larger role with Pulock out. He is fair priced at $1.45M. If you are looking for a true safe top 4 Dman, I don't think Mayfield is that player.
The reason I said the guys I did is they may be affordable and have either shown they can play top 4 or have in the past.
Severson will cost the Leafs, but he is a top 4 that allows Brodie to play with Muzzin which would help Muzzin's game.
Peeke keeps improving every year and he is cheap.
Myers was quite good in Philly and seems to have lost his way in Nash, but he has all the tools to be a top 4.
Roy I am a little iffy on because of his cap hit, but he should be an improvement over Holl.
9.) 09 Jan 2022 17:24:22
@RLF How do you know so much about these players? Very impressive.
Do you think Severson's price went down since NJ is not in the playoffs hunt?
Dermott and 2022 1st enough?
10.) 10 Jan 2022 06:30:41
RLF what are your thoughts on Manson or Lindholm as possible trade targets for top 4?
11.) 10 Jan 2022 16:28:35
@Tagz. It is just my opinion on the players, nothing more. No, I don't think that would do it for NJ. Severson is a big minute eater. Can play PP and PK. Good for 25-40 pts per season. Is not afraid of physical play and he is a positive when he is on the ice. Another year at $4.16 makes him an attractive target for many teams.
@Glimmo. Two different styles of D-man imo. Manson is more physical and defensive minded where as Lindholm is more high risk/ reward with the puck can can be a difference maker in a game. I am not a big fan of blowing prime assets on a rental this season, but I understand why some would. I don't see ANA trading either if they feel they will make the playoffs. Every team could use the playoff revenue. I would choose Manson though as I think he would be cheaper to acquire and he would help the PK and because he is the more physical and defensive D-man of the two.
12.) 10 Jan 2022 18:17:31
@RLF last one I promise.
Not a sexy add.
Justin Braun would probably be cheap to acquire.
Is he a worthy target?
Do you think he would improve our Top 4RD? He has plenty of playoff experience.
What do you think he would cost?
13.) 10 Jan 2022 21:11:19
I think it would be a lot to ask of the almost 35 year old Braun to play in our top 4 because of how heavily Keefe relies on the top 4 for minutes. Braun is playing 20 mins a night in Philly for the first time in 3 years. He is still behind what Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin and Holl do for average icetime per game. I could be wrong, but I think it will be tough for him to continue to play 20 mins a night the whole season plus playoffs and be an effective top 4 guy.
14.) 10 Jan 2022 22:35:03
Thanks for your opinion. I was thinking to trade for him and let Lily continue getting top 4 minutes with Muzzin for experience and Braun at less minutes with Sandin.
Then with 10 games left move Braun with Muzzin so they get accustomed to each other for playoffs.
19 Dec 2021 16:09:19
I don't think the Leafs are landing Chychrun, but here is may take of what they have to offer and approximate value of Chychrun. Yes, he is sought after and an overpay will be necessary, I don't think it will be a ridiculous over pay though. I think the Yotes will want a decent roster player as the still need to reach the cap floor next year. Likely a guy that his cap hit is bigger than his actual salary. Only one on the Leafs is Kerfoot. A young, good defenseman. A high prospect and a 1st.
My Guess
Kerfoot, Sandin, Amirov, 2022 1st.
That is what I see it being like, but who knows.
1.) 19 Dec 2021 17:24:22
@RLF. you are probly close. i would probly add Holl to that for cap purposes to take Chychrun on. as for prospect either Amirov or Robertson as for the pick i dunno that our first will be that appealing seeing as we should finish high in standings unless the wheels fall off. so maybe next years 1st as well or maybe a 2nd rounder. would be great to get him. but like ya said. dunno that we have a chance.
2.) 19 Dec 2021 20:11:49
Replace amirov with Robertson add 2nd 2023 and 2nd 2024.
3.) 20 Dec 2021 13:47:01
@MpH. Are you saying your suggested change is what Arz would want or what the Leafs would rather do?
22 Jan 2022 02:08:27
I like the Arz trade. Good trade for both teams. Real good prop.
22 Jan 2022 02:04:50
Montreal I could see, but NJ would say no.
22 Jan 2022 02:01:44
L1994. As for McLeod, you told me the same thing about Bennett. He now has 40pts in 41 games for Florida playing in the top 6. I wasn't wrong on Bennett, but you assume I am on McLeod. Jukiharju is playing 21 mins a night on a bad Buffalo team and looks quite good for a 22 year old. Hagg is a very good 3rd pair defensive D. Anderson at 40 is better than Mrazek and $7M+ in Cap space means they can add a big piece at the deadline if they want.
No doubt in my mind this is a better overall team with more cap flexibility than the current team.
21 Jan 2022 22:15:49
Explain the hot mess Rocket.
21 Jan 2022 20:53:29
Severson is a top pair D that has another year on a good contract. He returns a quality roster player, a 1st and a high prospect at least imo. McLeod at $.975 for another year gets a 1st+ as a return. Ritchie and Holl have little to negative value ATM. Seems like the Leafs get a lot back without giving up a lot.