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31 Oct 2022 06:33:55
Tor Marner

Anyone bag of pucks

I have never liked Marner's game. He's soft, he gives the puck away way too much, if he turns his back to "block a shot" one more time I might go to Scotiabank and yell at him myself, etc.

The Keefe apology was clearly influenced by Marner though and that's the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

They need a solution and Trotz ad a coach with these players, isn't it.

I don't think Keefe is a bad coach, he just hasn't been given help. Holl isn't a 3D by any stretch, but he is a 6D. To expect different from Holl is on Dubas, not Keefe.


1.) 01 Nov 2022 00:11:29



20 Oct 2022 21:31:03
A name I didn't think I would be throwing out there.

Minny Dumba

Leafs Holl, Kerfoot (Salary), Sandin, Abruzese (can never spell his name lol), 1st

If Minny can't figure it out soon, they're in trouble. If the TDL approaches and they can't right the ship I see Dumba as available.

Minny has two boat anchors against the cap and needs cheap players of all kinds. If they decide they don't have it going on, then k would prefer Dumba to Holl.

Dunbar isn't the stay at home, physical D we all want, but he is more physical than anyone currently on the back end and has a better shot than Rielly for the PP.

Dunbar plays with Muzzin and PP1 while Rielly gets moved to PP2 quarterback.

If you can't resign Dumba then whatever. Holl and Kerfoot are rentals anyway and Sandin is expendable at least for this year and next.


1.) 22 Oct 2022 01:59:03
Minny needs to trade d in d out
Dubas ain’t dealing me. versatile kerfoot
In fact he gets extension by Christmas

Holl engvall Sandin holmberg 2026 1st
2025 2nd 2023 ott 3rd (retain value)
Dumba (2.5 retain) sustr

5.65 for 4.25

Due to it being 3 roster players for 2 in the end minny gains .65 and Toronto saves .65.

The 2026 1st is minny being smart as this would be the draft the first year matthews, nylander, tavares and marner may not be together
The 2025 2nd is minny being smart as this would be the draft the first year matthews and nylander could exit Toronto
The 2023 ott 3rd is to get something at this draft and since Toronto don’t have a 2nd and this 1st would be at end of 1st rd so since they get a 1st 2nd and 3rd why not take a gamble when leafs could be worse

That’s my take on it
Demon out.

2.) 23 Oct 2022 14:16:02
You could get 50% return, and use a other assest for someone to take a other 50% of dumbas hit leaving the leafs with more cap space for a top 6 LW. There several options available, possibly max domi.



19 Oct 2022 23:41:16
Tor Garland

Van Kerfoot

Really not sure if Vancouver does this, but I noticed that Garland was a healthy scratch. Add that to all the rumours they may have been shopping him for cap space and they might.

I have wanted Garland for many years now, he's exactly what the top 6 needs along with Bunting.

I would add to this to get it done as well.


1.) 20 Oct 2022 09:44:59
It’s good Robertson replaces Malgin. Let’s hope Robertson never comes out of. Lineup again on 22 years of age

Leafs trade Engvall
Anyone 4 round pick

This eventually leads to Engvall being graded. Toronto have so many wingers that are cheaper younger and better than Engvall

Holmberg Steeves are better and younger.

2.) 20 Oct 2022 13:29:31
I like Garland, but another $5M forward signed long term isn't going to help them fill the needs of this team. If he were a big power forward, that might be different. imo.

3.) 20 Oct 2022 14:42:45
@RLF I have a man-crush on Garland. He's another Hyman/ Bunting type guy with more skill. He plays like a power forward even if he doesn't have the size, that's why I'm such a big fan. I think he fits perfectly.

Looking around the league, I don't see many defenceman available, that's the other big issue.

@David I agree. I'd rather see a 22 year old that earned a spot than Denis Malgin just because Dubas knows he F'ed up the Marchment trade.

4.) 20 Oct 2022 14:54:13
The Leafs should try to do this trade Kerfoot and throw in Engvall for Garland. Vancouver could/ would then have line with Kerfoot, Engvall and Mikheyev. These guys already have a connection.

5.) 20 Oct 2022 17:43:08
@LL. I agree that Garland plays "big" and I like him, but at some point the Leafs need actual size that are actually big. All this deal does is add another smaller guy that plays bigger than his size. imo

TB for instance has Kilorn, Hagel, Maroon, Paul and Perry that all have good size and their D are huge. Teams seem to be looking for size again. . . except Dubas of course.

6.) 20 Oct 2022 21:25:43
@RLF I would love some size on the team as well, but I think it's needed on the back end more than anywhere else.

D pairings as of now are;


That is the softest and smallest D corps, I think I have ever seen even including the AHL.

I'd take Garland as a Kerfoot replacement because it's one smallish forward for another.

7.) 22 Oct 2022 02:21:40
Dubas will resign kerfoot before trading him. Versatility and the man crush he has on him will keep kerfoot in Toronto

Garland would be a nice get but just isn’t feasible

Demon out.



15 Jul 2022 15:08:48
Tor Nylander

Flyers Provorov+1st (top 3 protected)

Chuck Fletcher Seems to have gone insane. Let's see if he's willing to play the chance game.


1.) 15 Jul 2022 16:35:00
Forgot the follow up, this is for everyone wanting to move Muzzin. You can trade him at will then.



12 Jul 2022 01:28:50
Murray a third and a 7th with only 25% retained. I'm at a real loss here.

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm not sure how Matt Murray at 4.68 is what Dubas wanted.

If Soup was asking 5x5 and Murray is 2 years at 4.68, I still resign Soup.

This could end up being a massive failure on Dubas' part. He just got rid of Mrazek (played 12 games for the canes) for a guy that played 20 games last year. Deja Vu anyone?


1.) 12 Jul 2022 02:16:21
Sink or swim at this point.

2.) 12 Jul 2022 08:15:12
If the leafs just paid a first to rid themselves of mrazek that should of beeen the standard for dubas I think Dorian just fleeced dubas they just cleared 4.68 mil and all it cost was a third next year and a 7th the year after I hope this works but I don’t feel great about this one.

3.) 12 Jul 2022 11:34:19
Hope he makes another move for a goalie
Samsonov holtby. ?
Not sure if either helps….

4.) 12 Jul 2022 13:21:29
The leafs need a backup that can play 30-40 games next year and Idk if there’s one out there.

5.) 12 Jul 2022 13:42:06
It would seem Dubas poorly played this negotiation by giving an early low-ball offer.

It’s done so what are next steps other than daily prayers that Murray gets back to his Penguin level.

I still strongly believe Muzzin is a big part of the solution. Get whatever you can in return to free up space.

There are many interesting UFAs now that teams have decide on who to qualify.

Panning this gold is better than the draft.

I think there are many good choices and the teams who have space will get the gold.

6.) 12 Jul 2022 20:18:46
@Rsears that's basically what I'm thinking as well. Dubas thought Soup would accept a low-ball offer, EDM is trying to make the Edmonton Maple Leafs with everyone Dubas wants to low-ball.

Without Muzzin I just don't see how the D-corps shapes out.


That D-corps may actually work, if they weren't in front of Matt Murray.

I also think everyone has forgotten, boosh isn't here anymore. He needs to be replaced unless Holl is going to be a top 4 defenseman which spells trouble.




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22 Nov 2022 04:39:17
Beyond the Nylander bashing in that OT,

Did anyone else find it funny that he managed to ice the puck twice, at 3v3, within 10.seconds?


1.) 22 Nov 2022 17:34:44
Bad OT for Willy. lol

What I find interesting is no one is on here bashing him at all for the giveaways and icings. Or Kallgren for his blunder. Benn for his giveaways etc etc.
You can be sure if it were Sandin or Holl, this site would be all over it.

2.) 22 Nov 2022 18:04:13
I don’t get why they are such a bad 3v3 team this year they are so careless about overtime.

3.) 22 Nov 2022 19:17:15
@RLF that's how this team has always worked lol. Fans and media pick a couple guys to blame and everyone else is perfect.

4.) 23 Nov 2022 11:47:22
Thanks LL, I was unaware. lol.



15 Oct 2022 22:17:23
Is anyone other than Dubas shocked Murray play one below average game and now has a groin injury?


1.) 15 Oct 2022 23:51:05
I don’t think it will take a long time to see if Murray will figure it out.
I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet, his pre-season was somewhat encouraging.

2.) 16 Oct 2022 01:34:10
A groin injury is a really bad omen @Rsears. 10 games out already.

3.) 18 Oct 2022 02:35:15
Unless his plan all along was Murray spends most of the year on IR and runs Samsonite kallgren. But that's a risky play to.



12 Oct 2022 23:52:41
It's time boys and girls! Another season has begun!




15 Aug 2022 09:17:26
Can anyone tell me what the deal with Larsson is right now? Everyone seems obsessed with the guy. Writers, journalists, tv hosts, people on this site, etc.

Am I missing something? He's never been a game changing defenceman, but he's being portrayed as a top pairing RHD on the same level as Makar.


1.) 16 Aug 2022 10:05:47
I think it has more to do with him being on a bad team than anything which would make him available and Seattle has the cap space to eat money.

2.) 16 Aug 2022 18:17:34
Larsson is solid and the contract reasonable, so there is a lot to like about acquiring him. Why the major hype? I don't know either. He has a full No trade. Seattle likely will ask a big return and they don't have a lot of cap space with only 6 D on the roster as is. So they can't really take on much money.

There are others to target that are more suitable. imo.

3.) 16 Aug 2022 23:12:57
@RLF that's where I'm at as well. Even if he waives, they ask for a monster return that he probably isn't worth.



31 Jul 2022 03:54:32
I have to ask this question (hard to follow RLF and Rsearss lol)

What's the deal with Muzzin? Why does everyone want him gone so badly without a replacement?


Murray Samsonov is the entire back half of the ice people think wins a cup? It just isn't accurate.

If you want Muzzin gone, you need a top 4-D to replace him. That doesn't include a 100yo and a rookie with turnover issues or Justin Holl either.

What's the plan if he is moved tomorrow for a 2nd? Who plays defence in front of two struggling goalies? Nobody? Randy plays D with RLF and Rsearss inf don't of him? It won't end well.

I really need someone to explain this rationale to me.


1.) 31 Jul 2022 04:34:40
Randy plays goalie and Rsears/ RLF in front of him*.

2.) 31 Jul 2022 04:45:11
Me and Rsears on D would be a disaster. Lol

I don't get the thought that it is Muzzin that has to go. It seems knee jerk based on one season.

As I have said, I still think a GM could improve the team more by moving Nylander than Muzzin. Muzzin can be moved next off season if things don't work out as his ntc becomes a m-ntc and he is on the last year of his deal. Or move Kerfoot and Holl instead.

Just my opinion.

3.) 31 Jul 2022 07:07:56
@RLF we disagree about some things, but here we always seem to agree.

Moving Muzzin for futures and expecting a better team just seems insane to me. Sandin and Gio aren't Muzzin. He isn't what he used to be, but who replaces him? If it's Sandin or Gio we have a serious issue.

4.) 31 Jul 2022 10:00:55
Once you find a stay at home shutdown dman to play with muzzin everyone will see it wasn’t a decline in his play at all but his lack of a good nhl dman partner.

When you start doing too much out of your own comfort zone mistakes start to happen. I truely believe this is muzzin playing with a declining holl.

Put muzzin in a position to succeed and we will see Leafs gain a top 4 dman once again without dealing muzzin to do so.

5.) 31 Jul 2022 13:27:42
So my turn to weigh in and yes I’d be terrible as a Dman.

First we ALL accept that the Leafs need to shed some salary.

Waiving Simmonds and Clifford are easy wins but they produce only minor savings. Same for Anderson but you’d get some level of return.

Similarly for Holl and perhaps Kerfoot.

Nylander and Muzzin are where the real money is.

The problem right now is 10 teams are over the cap and several others ready to go over with their next signing.

So not many choices, especially with Anaheim inking Klingberg.

My choice, as you know, is Muzzin because of his age and what I see as a serious declining performance. His mobility or lack thereof doesn’t put any fear in a forward coming down his side. You have to be able to move fluidly to execute a body check.

We will miss Lyubushkin and I’d like to see the Leafs for once get a return prior to a player becoming a free agent.

Having said that Nylander does offer an opportunity for the biggest return, whatever that might be?

I’m okay trading both but my priority is Muzzin. I still think we may need to outscore opponents this year given the questions surrounding goaltending.

But the issue of how to get cap compliant while improving our chances to win the Cup is worthy of discussion, dialogue and yes debate over different points of view!

6.) 31 Jul 2022 13:31:39
I agree Giordano does not replace Muzzin but @$800k I was accepting of the signing.
I’d like somehow to get Larsson or Mayfield on our D as a physical factor and both are RD.
Any ideas?

7.) 31 Jul 2022 14:12:00
The real loss was Boosh. He allowed Brodie to play with Muzzin and Gio 3rd pair with whoever necessary.
As for Holl, he is back to playing with indecision which kept him in the minors in the first place. He is scared to move the puck while under pressure for making a mistake. I watched that happen alot from him in the minors.

8.) 31 Jul 2022 21:28:40
@Rsears seems like you still just want 80s hockey lol.

It was exciting, I'll give you that.

@RLF I have been thinking about Boosh since he left. Everyone always said they want a, big, stay at home, modern Scott Stevens to destroy people coming across the Blueline. That was Boosh. He's moder day Scott Stevens or as close as we will ever see again.

Maybe he refused to sign here or maybe Dubas didn't value him. Who knows. If it's on Dubas though, fire him yesterday.

9.) 01 Aug 2022 00:29:20

Doesn’t everyone like watching goals being scored?

I’m hoping like heck that Murray bounces back and becomes a true number 1 capable of giving us Cup potential. I also hope Samsonov provides more than adequate backup.

If so the team will do more than win one playoff series!




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28 Nov 2022 18:08:23
@RLF Justin Holl is a career +40

HoF for Holl!




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28 Nov 2022 18:04:04
@RLF what do you see as value for them?

I can't see anything beyond a 5th.




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28 Nov 2022 07:18:46
@Henry that's the best part of the Dubas lovers guild. Dubas tends to buy high and sell low. Both Engvall and Kerfoot are basically worthless right now, making a combined 5.5 AAV.

Had he trade Engvall after his almost 20 goal season with good defensive metrics, he could have gotten something.




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28 Nov 2022 02:10:21
I don't see anyone, giving you anything, for Engvall or Kerfoot right now.




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26 Nov 2022 05:28:25
Who's the top 6 winger Dubas is adding? The guy on waivers or the one that should be on waivers?

Who's the top pairing D? I like Justin Holl, but he's a third pairing guy.





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29 Nov 2022 20:48:45
@RLF that's my worry as well. The reason Boston is always such a bad matchup is the right checking, defensive style. Mitchy and Willy especially have no answer without open ice. Need some big bodies to help create space and win puck battles.




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29 Nov 2022 06:18:49
@RLF hard to say what players want sometimes for sure. We don't know them personally so he may love Zona or hate it.




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29 Nov 2022 06:18:03
@RLF if the plan was to rotate him in and out I wouldn't mind either.




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28 Nov 2022 19:26:55
Maybe he wants to go to a team like Arizona. Guaranteed top 6 time and probably PP1. It is a UFA year for him.




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28 Nov 2022 19:26:23
@RLF Simmonds didn't look bad when he was out there, but I'm not sure he can hold up through a season.

I was really befuddled by the Kubel decision. I thought he was the perfect fourth liner for the team.