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29 Mar 2021 04:05:25
Tor Nylander
Ari Garland
Since this got absolutely buried by. comments I wanted to know what everyone thought.
Garland is an RFA. He is playing well on an absolutely garbage team and he grinds. As an RFA he is easily kept around. (Thanks for the name correction last time Craiggers)
1.) 29 Mar 2021 10:32:18
I think you can rope a bit more out of Arizona tbh.
2.) 29 Mar 2021 13:02:13
We get Garland for Nylander and this makes us better in that he grinds, plus he is easier to keep around as an RFA, as opposed to a signed contract. Dubas will never trade Nylander - especially mid season - unless its for a real game changer that he could not resist.
3.) 29 Mar 2021 17:03:44
Have to be a little careful chasing overachievers on bad teams. Sometimes they just don't fit in well with really good talent. I would want more out of Arizona, but I would want it as a prospect or pick, not another salary (not sure ARZ wants to be moving picks and prospects even for Nylander) .
If you can get Garland signed for half of what Nylander makes, you can use the cap space to strengthen the team elsewhere. It could be a good move if the return and contract are right.
4.) 29 Mar 2021 17:07:53
If Arizona does this then Dubas better as well
Question becomes will Arizona take on more salary now to save long term or just hope garland resigns cheap?
Either way it’s worth asking just to see where Arizona stands with this speedy kid.
5.) 29 Mar 2021 18:04:25
Truthfully I think Arizona is looking to get draft picks this year. Cut costs, and wake up tomorrow still a very poorly run team that might aswell prepare to relocate the team to Houston.
27 Mar 2021 06:14:58
Tor Nylander
Ari Granlund
Alright you guys converted me. He does not fit in here. He shows zero effort and is even pissing me off at this point. Granlund is an RFA that would absolutely light it up beside JT. He works hard, he has a decent skill set, he's exactly what this team needs.
I understand he is not as talented but that's not what this is about.
After the Taylor Hall trade who says they don't want Taylor Hall lite? Lol.
1.) 27 Mar 2021 13:05:21
Terrible idea IMO.
You don’t need to give up Nylander to get granlund.
You can probably get hall for a 2nd round pick.
Then you can trade Kerfoot lillegren and another pick for someone like an ekholm if you want. Granlund is a ufa after this year and you are giving up Nylander? Who has a good contract? Literally makes no sense and respectfully you have no idea what you are taking about.
2.) 27 Mar 2021 13:32:17
Leafs: 2nd round pick, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
Sabres: Hall - Buffalo retains full salary. Who cars they are asking for a first - staal went for a 3rd and 5th and it’s a buyers market.
Leafs: Kerfoot, lillegren, and 2nd round 2022
Nashville: Ekholm.
3.) 27 Mar 2021 14:09:45
LOL. Who cares what the team selling wants, we will just make them take what we offer. Right after you tell someone else they don't know what they are talking about. lol. That's classic.
4.) 27 Mar 2021 14:22:33
Either you meant garland in Arizona or granlund in Nashville
Since you stated he is annRFA I’m going to assume garland thus Arizona says no to trade due to garland is cheaper and right now better
I don’t think you meant Grunland but just in case Toronto deals 3rd and 5th rounders for granlund with Nashville retaining half of cap. Using Staal deal as the comparable.
People who respond to ideas by coming up with deals not even using player originally being proposed is pretty lame
If you want to come up with your own deal using other teams and players being proposed make it a new topic instead of using someone else’s trade topic . for your own personal forum.
And if it’s garland for nylander it isn’t terrible for Toronto. Anything Hall is terrible especially when he wasn’t even proposed in this topic to begin with
LAME
Deal wise I’d love Toronto to get garland for nylander
Could of had him instead of Andrew Nielson lmfao.
5.) 27 Mar 2021 14:57:20
Craigger - LL and I had a chat below where we had discussed hall so I amalgamated it up into this one. Then LL . my bad I see you meant garland not granlund in your deal - still doesn’t make sense for Nylander to be dealt for garland IMO.
6.) 27 Mar 2021 15:13:11
Good enough reason babs cousin
Just something that bothers me sometimes. My problem to get use to lol.
7.) 27 Mar 2021 16:39:57
So to dumb it down as you are all correct on salary implications - we basically have to give up kerfoot to make room for someone like hall.
What if Anderson is actually on LTIR or something? Either way here is the best I got - recognizing that preds may want to split up any trade of their two assets (may not even sell at this point)
Leafs: 2nd round pick (2021) Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, lillegren, kerfoot
Preds: granlund, ekholm
Depending on dollars they retain the math can probably work.
Then on hall - I mean If he is available and it looks like it will be relatively cheap - and we probably have to move kerfoot if we want to keep Hyman next year I don’t know how they don’t make a move for him. Hall Tavares Nylander as your 2nd line should significantly improve their performance which has been subpar for most of the year IMO.
8.) 27 Mar 2021 16:58:42
Ok here is the actual best I got. There are rumors that Freddy is going to LTIR. Which would be amazing.
Leafs: 2nd round pick, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, lillegren, kerfoot
Preds: granlund, ekholm
Leafs: 2022 2nd, 2024 4th rounder, Hallander
Sabres: Hall, ullmark
So what do people think about this?
9.) 27 Mar 2021 18:12:35
Still over cap by 6 million even with ullmark and Andersen LTIR.
10.) 27 Mar 2021 18:35:35
Simply put
I would rather they get a guy with some
1 grit
2 defensive awareness
3 scoring
Not interested in a guy like Hall who runs hot and cold and not as much on #1 and #2 on my list above
Relying on just trying to outscore opponents in playoffs is not playoff hockey
How bout trying to acquire a mini Hyman for Tavares and Nylander.
11.) 27 Mar 2021 20:30:51
@Craiggers I did mean Garland. Good catch.
08 Mar 2021 21:10:15
Tor Nylander+Freddy
Ducks Gibson
If the ducks think they can't make the playoffs send them both Nylander and Freddy. They can even have a second if they want it as well. Gives cap space for a secondary move for a winger and gives us a top 5 goalie to run into the playoffs with.
1.) 08 Mar 2021 22:37:26
Why not add getzlaf for kerfoot as well.
2.) 08 Mar 2021 22:47:36
That was obviously a joke.
3.) 09 Mar 2021 17:16:26
No thanks.
4.) 09 Mar 2021 19:11:16
Agreed. Ducks say No thanks.
5.) 09 Mar 2021 22:38:42
Dubas puts the phone on speaker and laughs with everyone in the room and then hangs up.
6.) 10 Mar 2021 12:38:55
So Dubas will laugh at getting a better goalie who is younger and signed for the future over his older UFA to be goalie and now $5.6M in cap space? Man you over value Nylander huge. Nylander alone doesn't get you Gibson. Gibson is much more valuable.
01 Mar 2021 18:32:30
Tor Nylander, 1st, Robertson, Sandin, Kerfoot
But Eichel
Thinking like Dubas here. If he really wants to go studs and duds what better way to do it?
I'm sure many teams throw offers out there but since it looks like he's going to be moved soon at least make an offer.
1.) 01 Mar 2021 19:11:29
Your not wrong. This is also a hefty package.
2.) 01 Mar 2021 19:37:25
Your offer beats mine and you would think Buffalo accept it. Robinson is Debrincat and by the way the scouts that didn’t push leafs to draft DEBRINCAT should be hanging from a tree.
3.) 01 Mar 2021 19:38:11
I would add DERMOTT and remove SANDIN.
4.) 01 Mar 2021 19:42:09
@Leafsguy it is a large price to pay but Buffalo will have teams like CBJ and MTL ready to offer anything they can for a true 1C.
5.) 01 Mar 2021 19:45:29
The big thing for leafs now is they have assets to land any player that’s available they can overpay.
6.) 01 Mar 2021 19:48:27
I watched the Buffalo game last night. I was not impressed with either Eichel or Dahlin. Is Eichel really a $10M player? Because I see a lot of Nylander in him. Except with a bigger mouth. And an even bigger ego.
7.) 01 Mar 2021 20:01:27
I think you see the Rangers get in on Eichel. Look at the talent they can offer up and they would have Eichel/ Zibanejad as their 1-2. I know it sounds unlikely, but I still could see them sending Laf+ to Buffalo for Eichel if Buf also takes Deangelo. Strome is a stop gap there. I had thrown out Eichel for Laf, Strome and Deangelo in the past. Laf is getting the hang of it, 3pts in his last 5 games. If NYR wants to quicken the rebuild, this is a way to do it when you still have Kakko, Buchnevich, Gauthier, Kravstov still really young and Kreider and Panarin at 29 already.
8.) 01 Mar 2021 20:07:24
Leafs could offer motte ave more assets now look how deep defence is and all can play. You can trade young defenceman
Reilly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogosian
Lettenon Liljegren Sandin.
9.) 01 Mar 2021 20:35:20
EICHEL JUST WANTS OUT HE IS FINE.
10.) 01 Mar 2021 20:42:40
@ HL Eichel looks like Dubois right now. I don't think he wants to be there. He has made it clear now he's done.
Out him on a competitive team and I can absolutely see him rebounding.
@RLF I can see the Rangers going after Eichel hard as well. If I were to pick 2 teams that make a serious run for Eichel it's the Habs and Rangers.
@David I agree it's a lot but I think if Eichel is on the market your overpaying. No way you get away with anything less than this because other teams with go bananas for a 1C of his caliber.
28 Feb 2021 07:23:46
Tor 1st
Det Bobby Ryan
This may seem like a steep price. Here me out though. If something kills this team in the playoffs this year it is not talent. It's the heart that a team needs. I did not fully understand this until Simmonds went down. He leads this team by example . Mathews is happier when the Wayne Train scores than he is when he himself scores.
I have posted Bobby Ryan trades before and I will continue too until the trade deadline. If the NHL had a "Comeback of the year" like the NFL that would be all of our pick. That's the determination we need.
Skill is dealt with. That much is clear. It's the effort that lacks. Put Nylander on the third line with Bobby Ryan and the Wayne Train. Let him be the skilled guy. Let them guide him to a cup.
1.) 28 Feb 2021 10:41:22
Seems reasonable and due to 16 other teams fighting for his service I wouldn’t be surprised if the price gets driven up a bit. If you want him bad enough go get him now. If he doesn’t fit for whatever reason I can repackage him elsewhere at deadline. Sucks you’ll be waiting. 7 days minimum for him
Bill Masterton is basically comeback of year player just worded differently but past winners basically shows this.
2.) 28 Feb 2021 14:03:21
Ryan would be an interesting one. All his points except one have come 5 on 5, which is impressive. It's a good story.
Only one reason I trade for him would be if I think he can play on the 2nd line and add the element that line lacks. We have lots of players that can play bottom 6, so unless he is the guy for the 2nd line LW, I pass on him.
3.) 28 Feb 2021 14:12:11
If he's going to cost a 1st, hard pass. His numbers are ok, not fantastic.
4.) 01 Mar 2021 03:37:11
@Torontobuds
I'm not actually sure if this team can upgrade at many positions right now. They look solid the whole way through when healthy.
Unless Dubas wants to spend a couple good prospects and a 1st I would prefer another character guy instead of a middle six winger.
13 Apr 2021 22:27:11
Start with Robertson lol. What makes you think Manson is worth Robertson based on any recent trade?
12 Apr 2021 22:58:06
What's wrong with Nash?
3C can also be Foligno if Hyman and Gally keep playing well in the top 6.
11 Apr 2021 09:51:17
Oleksiak is a good option as a 7D but he is not worth a 2nd.
Ullmark is also a good option but your not getting him for lili with retention.
I would never, ever in my life, give that up for old man getzlaf no matter how much I have liked him his entire career.
11 Apr 2021 05:10:29
I'm assuming you want on an individual level more than a whole picture thing because of cap issues. So;
I don't want Mathew Tkachuk. If that was Brady then any day but not Mathew.
Second one looks fair to me. It's going to be a decent pick so it depends on protection of the pick.
Hart is floundering. Phi is ruining him, I would stay clear.
Wouldn't pay that much for Dach. Nylander had a tonne of value himself.
Gibson is a tough one. I love Soup but what a tandem.
I'll take that for point in a second but don't think Tampa does.
All in all I like them all even if I disagree on value in a minor way.
10 Apr 2021 21:19:10
You called it first Craiggers lol. Montour went for a third.