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28 May 2020 14:42:42
Dallas Trades
Klingberg

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Liljegren (AHL)
Abramov (QMJHL)

Thoughts ?

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28 May 2020 15:14:32
Why would Dallas intentionally weaken themselves by making this trade?

28 May 2020 15:26:21
I wish

There. I said it first.

28 May 2020 15:31:44
I think Dallas will want a guy like Nylander if they are going to give up a core piece keep in mind they are still a playoff team.

28 May 2020 15:58:42
Sorry guys. I posted in the wrong spot. I meant to reply on the main page.

28 May 2020 12:43:21
Leafs sign: Spezza, Clifford, Galchenyuk.

Leafs trade: Alex Kerfoot and Malgin to blue jackets for Josh Anderson.

Leafs trade: Kapanen, Bracco and a 3rd round pick To wild for Matt Dumba.

Leafs trade: Johnsson, petan, and holl to ducks for Josh Manson

Sandin, Engvall, 3rd round pick to Montreal for Max Domi.

Gauthier for 4th round pick.

Hyman/Matthews/Nylander
Domi/Tavares/Marner
Mikheyev-Galchenyuk-Anderson
Clifford/Spezza/Barabanov

Rielly/Dumba
Muzzin/Lehtonen
Dermott/Manson

Andersen
Soupy

The sandin for max domi trade
I'm sure will get torn apart, but imo max domi is a spark that the leafs could use... I would love to see Him on the leafs, especially playing with his old friend and linemate marner. Thoughts?

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28 May 2020 13:55:01
Montreal wouldn't trade Domi for Sandin. They need a LHD but I suspect they want one that can contribute immediately. Sandin is probably going to be a very good defenseman. But he is still a couple years away from being a top 4 defenseman. This trade would set Montreal back. At least for the short term. They aren't getting a single piece that they can use immediately that would make their team better.

28 May 2020 19:33:12
I don't think most of these trades would be accepted. not to mention the cap does not work. just ran this through cap friendly and I have just over 635K left and only 19 players. and have not even signed Domi yet.

29 May 2020 01:38:19
Well played loxley. I didn't check the cap myself but that's a deal breaker.

29 May 2020 14:04:02
Instead of trading for Manson I'd like to see Holm start throwing that big body of his around a little more.

28 May 2020 04:21:58
Leafs trade Kapanen, Sandin, SDA, 3rd
Islanders trade Dobson, Mayfield, Wahlstrom

Hate to lose Sandin, but Dobson is just as good on RHD and we need him more. Mayfield is a cheap plug that can play 3RHD for us. Very effective and very cheap he would be a welcome cap relief. And of course Wahlstrom is a highly rated forward prospect player. We could use him to go along with Robertson to give us some much needed cap relief by way of elc and to help us in case of loss of one of the big four in a few years.

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28 May 2020 23:16:58
Awesome post
This may be one of your finest.

29 May 2020 01:21:20
I like Toews, but I don't think he is a 1LHD. I guess Lou doesn't think so either cause he brought Greene in for the olayoffs.

Sandin has a high ceiling.
He is projected to be a 1LHD one day. Islanders are already strong RHD and have Wilde in the system too. They might swap out Dobson for Sandin. I don't know if they would swap Wahlstrom for Kapanen though. Depends on if they really think they can compete now.

Given Lou's age, he might feel the need to try to go for it all now. He's made a few all-in moves already.

29 May 2020 01:41:26
I have to say I wouldn't do this. If we are talking plugs I think Dermott could play 3RHD as well as anyone. It's not a role that takes much effort.

I also don't think prospects are what is needed. If a trade involving all of these players happened and brought in a Seth Jones type player then I'm all for it. Go big or go home. I don't want prospects unless a rebuild is the intention.

I watched Leafs management attempt to not rebuild for many years while icing a mediocre team. It doesn't work. Last season I wanted Karlsson more than anything. Offer them a first++ and just play him beside Reilly. No need to resign just go for it.

29 May 2020 13:51:58
I just figure if we have to dump salary we would be taking prospects and picks in return.

Would have been nice to see Leafs make at least one all-in type move. If we could have afforded Karlsson, even for the one year, given how good we did last year, I got to think our playoffs would have turned out much differently.

28 May 2020 03:34:32
Leafs trade Rielly

Islanders trade Pulock, Wilde

NYI are perfect example of a team loaded with RHD and weak on LHD. Reilly would instantly be the best defenseman in the team. He is obviously far better than Pulock, but nobody is going to give us fair value in a one for one exchange. Wilde is the consolation prize. A good prospect player that has lots of potential. Would rather have Domain or Wahlstrom thrown in, but I don't see that happening.

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28 May 2020 06:55:01
For a team like the Islanders that want to go all in it's probably the best they can hope for.

It looks light at first glance but really Reilly is a rental+ so I'm not sure how much value he has. This probably is fair value and it does improve the team.

28 May 2020 12:17:38
People need to stop acting like the length of the contract is a deciding factor perfect example is Karlsson he was older and I think had a year left on his deal and the Sens got a pile of players and picks for him Reilly would be the same.

28 May 2020 13:42:15
I kinda think length of contract is a deciding factor. Lol. Karlsson was the world's best defenseman at the time of trade and is still widely considered a much better player than Reilly. And the return for Karlsson wasn't that great. They got a like of players, but it was a quantity for quality trade.

I don't think Leafs would be able to get an equivalent player back if they tried to trade Reilly. It would have to be a lower return than what he is really worth. But, if it makes the team better overall, then tough choices have to be made.

28 May 2020 14:13:00
Well I’d have to disagree with you Karlsson is not better than Reilly imo the sharks are garbage and if you look at what the Sens got I think they got quality demelo tirney Norris a 1st which is going to be a top three pick plus a 2nd.

28 May 2020 15:32:48
They lucked out with the pick, which is probably going to be the best piece, by far, that they got. DeMelo is gone, not even part of the team anymore. Norris is still a question mark, though he is highly touted. And Tierney is a good middle six player, but nothing to brag about.

They didn't get a single elite piece coming back. Tierney was the best piece. If SJ didn't tank, Ottawa wouldn't have gotten a single difference maker.

28 May 2020 17:57:18
You can't say length of contract isn't a deciding factor. It's actually a huge one.

I'm not sure what happened to Karlsson this year. He definitely fell apart but it's hard to say who is better right now.

Lol. SJ thought they had a contending team. For a team not to even protect the pick it shows they never would have predicted it being a top 3. That's just luck. Even the Sens probably thought that pick would be mid 20s.

Demelo, Tierney, Norris, 1st isn't exactly quality. It's some good players but no real studs. I don't see Reilly fetching that much. Even if you think Reilly is better than Karlsson right now, when that trade was made he was widely regarded as best defenceman in the world. Doesn't matter what we think looking back. It was what they traded in the moment for the player he was.

28 May 2020 19:37:27
You have to factor time left of contract. cause Rielly is going to want to get at least 7 to 8 mil a year and the team acquiring him has to take that into consideration seeing as who knows what is going to happen with the cap going forward for the next little while.

29 May 2020 01:42:38
To your point loxley; I believe for this year and possible next, cap uncertainty will play a major role. Having a mediocre player on a great contract may be worth more than a superstar that is slightly over paid.

29 May 2020 02:12:00
It's amazing Wilson still has a job. Let's face it, the Sens made the exact same mistake the year before with the Duchene trade and Colorado snagged Byram as a result. Talk about recouping your losses. San Jose stepped right into that one and now they are in a world of hurt. DeBoer took the fact this year. Maybe Wilson sees the door next year?

28 May 2020 03:27:01
Leafs trade Kerfoot, Johnsson, Dermott
LA trades Walker, Lizotte, 2nd

Or Kempe instead of Lizotte if you prefer.

It's obviously a cap dump style trade. LA has $23M to spend on only 7 players to complete their 23 man roster. So they can easily afford this deal.

Leafs take a pretty big downgrade in center, but we bring in a very good RHD that has upside potential. And Lizotte himself has a lot of potential as well to be a very effective 3C. And we gain cap space. And that's about it.

Both Horton and Clarkson's deals expire, so Dubas must either find more LTIR deals or face shipping out good quality players (Johnsson, Kerfoot, Kappy), all likely for well under market value, and only for picks/ prospects as he cannot afford to take on any notable salary.

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28 May 2020 15:54:51
I would do it.

28 May 2020 22:12:28
Thanks MostLeaf. I like it too. I actually thought there was going to be some real haters on this prop. It looks like a small return and a big gamble. I bet LA would jump on it.

29 May 2020 07:33:44
The only viable piece is walker
The third line Center? Brooks is just as good as Lizotte

So no thanks to this deal.

29 May 2020 13:55:15
I don't know if Brooks is as good as Lizotte. I can't see Brooks stepping in next year and scoring double digit goals and points. He's got potential to be a good 4C, and maybe a 3C eventually. But I have a hard time seeing him step into the role right out from the Marlies.

Besides, I said take Kempe if you weren't sold in Lizotte.

28 May 2020 00:13:54
Tor gets
Kassian RW


Oilers get
Johnsson LW
Brooks C
Hollowell D

Tor gets
Jenner LW

Columbus gets
Kapanen RW


Tor gets
Kane LW

Tampa gets
Nylander RW
Petan RW


Tor signs Byfuglein 1 year @ 1.5 mil Per year
Tor signs Spezza 2 years @ 750k per year
Tor signs Hamonic 3 years @ 3.5 million per year

Toronto's forward lines
Kane/Mathews/Marner
Hymn/Tavares/Kassian
Jenner/Spezza/Kerfoot
Mikheyev/Engvall/Barabonov
Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic
Muzzin/Holl
Sandin/Byfuglein

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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28 May 2020 03:10:29
Nylander>Kane
Kapanen>Jenner

As much as I would like to add Kassian to the leafs I just don’t think the oilers are going to part with him. What you offered seems to be fair, don’t get me wrong, but I just don’t see them trading him right after giving him an extension.

28 May 2020 04:33:01
Petan is a good player. But he really is a true tweener. He is a star in the AHL but a no name in the NHL. At this point, I just don't see the dream happening for him. If he can be of use to another team, then I don't see any reason for Leafs not to trade him.

The Lindholm for Petan trade is one that didn't work out so well for Dubas, though I don't hold it against him for trying. Lindholm was brought in from Europe and didn't do too bad in our bottom six. He was a UFA and was 26 years old. So trading him for a you get Petan who was under control for many years and might still have had upside seemed like a good trade at the time

As it turns out, Petan still can't crack the NHL and Lindholm, while not exact blowing the league apart, is a steady bottom six player on Boston. If he is good enough for Boston's bottom six he would have been good enough for ours.

It was a low level NHL trade for sure, but it was still a trade at the NHL level. And a other loss for Dubas gambling on smaller skilled guys instead of going with proven steady players that show up for work every day and do their job. Petan amhad already been given a good look by other NHL teams and passed over. Does Dubas really think so highly of his development team that they were going to squeeze something out of him when the Jets failed?

28 May 2020 04:49:07
Probably rather just keep what we have other than Kassian which I don't see being traded for that.

28 May 2020 05:38:43
LHD u set itself up. It’s way to much your obsession with Kassian and Jenner. Also TB does not have a Kane maybe u meant San Jose. Not sure why u add players like Petan in your proposals as they have pretty much no value. Anyways I like to Have Evander Kane on the Leafs.

28 May 2020 11:03:20
@ Glimmer I copied an old post and never changed out the Tampa. Side note I’ve been on here long enough to continually trade for Kassian and I get the pleasure to watch all of you tell me he’s garbage and tell me he’s not worth it to oh they’ll never trade him or you trade is insufficient.
This is the main reason I don’t dive into the convo very often on this site. Most of you don’t have a clue.

28 May 2020 17:59:56
You got us all there LHD. As soon as kassian started lighting it up this year you were the first person to come to mind. Credit where it's deserved. He has looked much better than the "knuckle dragger" many (including myself) labelled him as.

28 May 2020 23:45:39
Playing beside McDavid and Draisaitl in their career year would make even me look good. I'm not going to knock Kassian. He deserves credit. He's having a helluva good season. When I see teams like Washington and Edmonton playing guys like Wilson and Kassian on their top lines and the result that it has, it makes me wish Leafs would get their own knuckle dragger. The hairier the knuckles the better.

29 May 2020 07:38:21
lol kassian
Yeah ok lhd
29 years old
He has 34 points in 59 points playing with the best player in the world?
Geez man really?

27 May 2020 18:14:42
(this site is for fun so don't roast me too hard).
leafs trade:
Andersen(his contracts almost up) and a conditional 3rd round pick(where if cunucks win the stanley cup it becomes a 5th round pick)
canucks trade:
demko and stecher

seattle takes kerfoot. leafs sign: leivo, maroon and clifford/spezza. trade malgin, johnsson and gauthier for draftpicks. leafs trade holl and a 4th/3rd for fabbri.

hyman,matthews,marner
mikheyev,tavares,nylander
engvall,fabbri,leivo
clifford/spezza,brooks,maroon

rielly,muzzin
sandin,stecher
dermott,lehtonen

campbell,demko

thoughts?

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27 May 2020 18:16:41
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.

27 May 2020 18:16:47
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.

27 May 2020 18:24:26
Vancouver is somewhere between a rebuild and contending. I don't think they want a rental goalie for demko.

Leivo won't sign. He would want a bigger role than he will be given.

27 May 2020 19:14:13
what do you think needs to changed (sorry for any double comments my computer isn't working all to good right now.

27 May 2020 19:20:47
It make sense for the Leafs to try and trade Andersen before he becomes an older, expensive, UFA. The Leafs don't need to be saddled with a Carey Price type of contract. There are a lot of younger and cheaper top end goalies that are UFA every season.

27 May 2020 19:40:07
if leivo doesn't sign who should they sign/ trade for instead.

27 May 2020 19:46:11
I wouldn't sign a winger of any kind. Really no need to pick up anymore forwards with what is currently on the roster and in the system.

I would like to see Gudas signed. LHD and I seem to be big fans of his lol.

For a goalie there are innumerable choices. There are a tonne of goalies available that won't be able to demand Bobrovski/ price type contracts.

27 May 2020 19:58:45
Is Demko any good? I mean it’s a leap trading your current starter for a backup goalie.

27 May 2020 20:36:40
the way i see it is that demko could take over starter for andersen and campbell (if they trade i'm in the future) and he would be younger and cheaper for the future.

27 May 2020 21:16:01
Welcome to the site. i'd be up for the Andersen trade especially if we could get them to include joulevi. My outlook on them being between rebuild and hopeful Is that they likely want to go for it in pettersen and Hughes elc's I'm a big fan of leivo's but I don't see him resigning in toronto. I'd love to see him given a chance in the top 6. He was just one of those players babcock decided he didn't like and ruined his chances in TO

I would have loved to see a top 9 of

Hyman tavares nylander
Leivo Matthews marner
Micheyev kadri kapanen

Literally just sign pk players and don't play then unless you are short handed
Defense pairings

Reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl
Sandin dermott
Lehtonen lily
Marincin

Hell change up the concept and run 9 forwards 9 defenseman
Marincin is only penalty kill rotate the other 8

reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl get 20 minutes each a night reilly gardiner offensive starts muzzin holl defensive starts and you put the other 2 pairs in when they need breaks, you then run 3 defenseman and a forward for draws on the penalty kill, unless you have a defenseman who can take the draws. I like to look at things through a different lens some times. People may like the idea or find it crazy but I'm just here to try and generate conversation. When I'm not busy wishing for things.

Would've been nice though either way if Dubas didn't trade Leivo and didn't trade kadri.

27 May 2020 21:17:25
That's an interesting condition on the pick. I don't think I've ever seen it works in reverse. But hey, if Vancouver took it, I don't see why not.

Demko is a good choice, but if Markstrom doesn't re-sign, I don't think Vancouver would trade him for a rental like Andersen. DiPietro isn't ready for NHL action and would be a poor backup right now.

27 May 2020 22:00:06
I would trade Anderson if the leafs can sign Lehner or Markstrom.

27 May 2020 22:09:10
Instead of trading for Demko, maybe Leafs should co sider signing Markstrom or Lehner I stead, and trade Andersen for picks/ prospects after?

What are your thoughts on that on Jayden?

27 May 2020 22:21:11
if they could get a goalie like that after all the forwards then ya why the heck not.

27 May 2020 22:31:23
Randy that's a really interesting idea. Good post.

With the way Dubas wants his team run it makes perfect sense to me. Your top 6 play 45 minutes a game third line plays 15.

27 May 2020 22:34:25
Josh Leivo oh yes a sure top niner. Lol
Hey Kadri how is the view from the press box? I ask after game3 of the opening round. Yet again.

27 May 2020 23:20:19
@Randy

I like that idea too actually. And that is a very creative approach to the roster. With Barrie or Gardiner on the team we could have used either one of them like a roving forward like what Nashville does with Josi. Reilly is probably capable of the same thing. I don't know if top two lines could play 22.5 minutes each a night, but I bet they could come pretty close. Even if I my the four of MNMT play 22.5 minutes each a night, they can rotate the other five guys in and out, distributing the minutes how they feel fit best. Add to that Reilly and Muzzin playing 20+ minutes a night, and you only have to give the rest of the six :-o other defensemen limited minutes distributed how you see fit. It could easily be done.

Dubas likes trying new things. He wants to lead the revolution. This would be a massive transformation in the way the game is played. If it actually worked, Dubas could be assured a spot in the Hall of Fame before he was 40.

28 May 2020 00:01:58
Right I feel like the way he has done his contracts he has to look for the best way to utilize those players. I would love to see it tried, watch we see it in like 20 years haha you all saw it here first.

28 May 2020 01:47:28
Me and MostLeaf had the same idea 9 minutes apart. Lol.

28 May 2020 03:54:37
Detroit would never make the Fabbri trade. Holl is way out of their age range for the rebuild. And those picks aren't worth it for him. Fabbri is working out really well in Detroit. They are the going to lose him for a guy that won't be on the team in two years and a couple picks that might never make the team.

28 May 2020 04:15:19
@LeafsLife

At first I agreed with you unconditionally about Leivo not signing here. But then I started thinking. If Leafs have to trade out salary, that could mean any of all three of JKK could be gone. Which could open up the spot for Leivo. He would be a good choice for 3LW in that case.

And since he left on good terms, with Dubas doing him a favor and trading him for less than market value so he could get the playing time he deserved somewhere else, he might be inclined to sign here again knowing that Dubas will be good to his word and give him the aging time here or trade him again to a team that will.

If we lose our third line though, Leivo is actually a real good choice to consider. I liked Leivo.

28 May 2020 04:47:23
@Randy

The way he has done his contracts, I figure he is going to have to run with a short roster. I believe at one point this year when By an came back from injury we ran with a 21 man roster for a few games until someone else got hurt and gave us the LTIR we needed again to bring up a couple more plugs.

League minimum is a 20 man roster. 9 forwards + 8 defensemen + 2 goalies gives 19 man roster, so we would have to have another plugs on the forwards to ride pine. But you make a good case, and it could conceivably be done.

I bet Dubas would do it but Shanahan would never let him

I wonder though if the thought ever occured to Dubas that his whole studs'n'duds approach might have worked in ohl because the studs were 19 and 20 year old men playing against 15 and 16 year old kids?

28 May 2020 04:51:06
Wouldn't be the first time Randy lol. I remember saying he wanted to get paid for bad contracts at one point. He was ousted as a GM (for separate reasons) and now we see exactly this happen. Only takes one GM or coach to win in a new way for it to become commonplace. Best example is the neutral zone trap.

28 May 2020 14:25:10
@LeafsLife

Who are you talking about here? Lou?

And I agree with you about your comment on innovation in the industry. It only takes one person to lead the way and then the copycats emerge. If Dubas is successful, he will be in the HHOF. If he fails, he will be remembered as a worse GM than JFJ. There's nothing wrong with trying new things. Except when there is. I would have liked to see the Leafs try this Studs'n'Duds approach when MNM were still on their ELC's. An extra three years of observation at a time when it was not consequential could have given us so we real insight whether it would work or not. Taking an all-in approach now, when we have such a narrow compete window, is a real gamble.

27 May 2020 14:13:39
Dallas Trades
Klingberg

Toronto Trades
Kerfoot
Liljegren (AHL)
3rd Round Pick 2021

Thoughts ?

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27 May 2020 16:12:40
I think it would cost a lot more then that. I’ve been hearing a lot of proposals that state Kapanen, Dermott, and Engvall may be enough.

27 May 2020 18:25:37
I think if your getting Klingberg it's probably Kapanen, Dermott and a less peice. I don't believe many want Engvall as he has a good hot streak and nothing else. He is largely unproven and doesn't have much value. Maybe throw in a 2nd or some such.

27 May 2020 22:34:40
I wish.

27 May 2020 23:22:25
@LeafsLife

Engvall has a pretty nice new contract too.

28 May 2020 00:23:05
Yes he does LeafsGm. I wasn't the happiest about that one. Not much of a gamble at the price but still more than minimum.

28 May 2020 03:57:17
Lol. Yep. It's a head scratcher her for sure. Is Engvall really that good of a player that he's going to get offer sheeted? Probably not. There was absolutely no rush to sign him. Dubas should have let the season play out to get a full assessment and I stead signed him in the middle of a hot streak. According to Dubas our bottom six players should all be league minimum. So why isn't Engvall? What makes him so special he gets more than Gauthier for example?

28 May 2020 04:51:25
I guess my point I was trying to make is, Dubas seems to overpay on every single contract, even the league minimum ones, which are the ones that his whole philosophy says should be getting paid league minimum. Holm at $2M is his best signing yet, and even that's a gamble considering Holl is 27 and playing his first year in the NHL.

Pretty universally acknowledged that Engvall in $250,000 overpaid. Or 25%. So if we apply that same figure across the whole team, then we are going to be doomed.

 


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