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05 Aug 2022 14:25:35
Keiffer Bellows to the Leafs for Sandin, Holl and Joey Anderson. Waive Simmonds.

Even tho Dubas said he learned to wait from Lou, if you have that luxury, I think he’s creating some animosity in the Sandin relationship that won’t help long term.

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05 Aug 2022 19:18:43
I just don't think Sandin wants to be here anymore. Not sure the relationship is repairable unless you get your wish and Muzz is moved.

05 Aug 2022 21:09:52
i agree with LL. only way to appease Sandin is to slot him in on 2nd pairing Left side. sign him to a 3 year deal so that by the time it expires Brodie is off the books. Still think best move is to try to swap Muzzin for Larson in Seattle. he could bring same kinda stuff as Muzzin only on the right side. and if Dubas could find himself to get rid o f Kerfoot and Holl he could sign Milano for 2nd line and Aston-Reese for 4th line. i'd be happy with those last few moves. all that to say. i think Dubas is loyal/ stuborn when it comes to his guys and he is not tough enough to go to Muzzin and say either wave to Seattle or we put you on waivers and yo go somewehere you really don't wanna go to.

05 Aug 2022 23:21:16
So everyone likes Bellows?
Yes Sandin is no doubt wanting to be somewhere else!
I’m okay with moving Muzzin, as you know and I do like Larsson.
And lukewarm to warm on Milano.

05 Aug 2022 23:48:20
@Loxley I'm really hesitant to run Rielly-Sandin-Gio in any way on the left side.

If Larson was traded one for one for Muzz I would be happier though. As is, I still don't like the right now.

06 Aug 2022 05:25:25
@Leafslife. only way i want Sandin on 2nd pair is if he has Larson or some other veteran on his right side. it's put up or shut up time and Leafs don't have the cap space to get anyone else. Liljegren played well paired with Gio so i leave them together. if you don't have faith in Sandin then maybe he should be traded.

@Rsears. I have seen Bellows a few times and i honestly don't get the hype. Leafs fans seem to love Islander players past and present. my reasoning for Milano is he would fit under cap with Kerfoot gone and is a pretty good playmaker that might help JT.

06 Aug 2022 12:33:34
Bellows is a guy that the Leafs would have to feel they can get his offensive game in order with his competitive games, otherwise he is a bottom 6er and not worth Sandin and Anderson. imo

The guy has the tools, but at this point he hasn't figured it out at the pro level. He's 24, so doesn't mean that he won't, but if he doesn't soon he will just likely be a physical bottom 6er who can chip in here and there offensively imo.

07 Aug 2022 23:32:35
@Loxley I would trade Sandin yesterday if I was Dubas. I don't think he has it in him.

05 Aug 2022 14:22:06
Let’s go to Calgary and get Chris Tanev at $4.5x2 years for Holl and Kerfoot.

Leafs save $1m and Calgary, with only 20 players signed plus Monahan, gets closer to 23.

Exchange RFAs Sandin for Ruzicka who is a big boy, has scoring ability and can play C or wing.

Waiving Simmonds and Clifford make the cap work.

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05 Aug 2022 16:06:02
I actually really like this, we probably have to add a pick, but having a d core of
reilly tanev
Muzzin brodie
Gio lily

This might be one of the best D cores in the league.

05 Aug 2022 17:01:02
I don't think you get a top 4 D with two years remaining for two pending UFA's. If Calgary would, then Leafs should. Ruzicka and Sandin probably have similar value as Ruzicka has improved each season and seems to have/ be figured it out.

Kerfoot, Holl and Sandin for Tanev and Ruzicka seems light on the Leafs end.

05 Aug 2022 21:31:53
Tanev is made of glass. As much as as I like him, that's a really scary one for me. Risk vs reward say I probably do it if it's a good deal.

I don't think CGY accepts this though. Tanev is worth more than two bottom of the lineup rentals.

05 Aug 2022 23:24:06
LL, I think Tanev has missed only one game in last 3 years so he’s not glass anymore.

RLF, who do you suggest we add? Anderson or someone else not named Knies?

06 Aug 2022 02:21:08
Like the idea.
Holl fills a need for Calgary at RHD where they have little to no depth.
Kerfoot fills a need in their top nine forward group.
Sandin gives Flames back some youth for the future.
Instead of Tanev (excellent player but brittle) and Ruzicka I would prefer Leafs target Mackenzie Weager even if we have to throw in a 3rd round sweetener to get it done.
Leafs could have had Weager 3 years ago for a combination of any two of Andreas Johansson, Dermot and Kapanen but Dubas said no.
Now Johnson, Dermot and Kapanen are gone and Leafs are still looking for a defenseman.

06 Aug 2022 05:00:22
@Rsears Tanev just had surgery in may and will probably miss the start of the season. He's still glass, looks like he just played through a bit of it.

06 Aug 2022 11:51:28
Rsears. What I see Calgary needing is and RW that can score. They need a top 6 RW imo. They have 4-5 currently who play/ can play RD. They have enough Kerfoot types. If they want to still be competitive, and I would think the huge money they gave Huberdeau says they do, they need a top 6 RW more than anything.

04 Aug 2022 20:02:33
Tor: kerfoot
Van: 3rd

Tor: sandin
Nsh: glass

Leafs sign
Dehaan 1x1.5
Gagnier 2x750k

Kerfoot becomes a cap casualty in order to land a couple free agent dehaan slides into the top 4 leafs add depth with gagnier but the interesting trade is sandin for Cody glass he had 62pts in 66gp last year in the ahl hasn't been giving a lot of opportunity but has good size and seems like a risk but the leafs have played their hand with sandin by resigning gio and not being willing to move muzzin

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05 Aug 2022 14:16:25
I’m okay with most of this but think there are better choices than Gagner and certainly not for 2 years.

Not sure why Nashville didn’t give Glass a chance so that is my only trepidation with that move but he could have some upside!

I agree with the Sandin treatment, much like Campbell, the writing is on the wall perhaps.

Instead of Gagner let’s take a flyer on Jake Virtanen.

05 Aug 2022 14:54:49
I have had Glass in a few as well. He is a tough one. Big boy that hasn't seemed to learn how to use it yet. AHL point producer that hasn't been able to translate to the NHL yet. AT 23, time is starting to run out on him being a possible NHL top 6er. Value might be on Sandin's side at the moment, so I think the trade is fair, but I am not sure Nash has any need for Sandin. Maybe Robertson?

05 Aug 2022 16:11:34
Hard pass on virtanen. Dudes a cancer. The wife has billits growing up and the year he was on the team, all if his teammates hated him. Also the way he was at parties, strong chance he sexually assaulted that girl.

05 Aug 2022 17:19:59
@Randy. I remember you mentioned that about him before and maybe he has matured because of this, maybe not. I totally understand your opinion of him based on what your wife saw/ heard etc.

All that said, he may have done some other things at parties, but doesn't mean he assaulted that particular girl. He lost his NHL job because the Canucks assumed he did it and wanted to make a statement by getting rid of him.

In Canada the jury must be unanimous. That means all 12 jurors didn't believe her and agreed on that conclusion by the next morning. Not saying this means he didn't, and some/ many will think he probably did anyway, but logically it is hard to fool all 12 jurors that they spent basically no time deliberating before agreeing he didn't assault her.

05 Aug 2022 21:33:30
@Randy so is Phil Kessel by all accounts. I still don't think we can just assume he did something after being proven innocent.

Up until the verdict I would have distanced myself as well if I was Dubas. Now though, I would say give him a shot if it's a contract that can be buried for one year.

05 Aug 2022 23:29:04
Good dialogue guys.

I, too, would give him a chance.

He’s 25 now which is the age a man’s brain starts to function properly, according to my wife.

Let’s hope he has learned his lesson.

06 Aug 2022 02:27:33
Vancouver, like the Leafs, are trying to create cap space not take on Kerfoot’s $3.5 million.

Sandin for Cody Glass is interesting but as you say, a risk.
Sandin has proven in his 51 game stint in the NHL last year that he can play in the NHL.
Despite his excellent AHL numbers Glass has still to prove he belongs in the big league.
If Sandin won’t sign it/ holds out it might be worth the risk.

DeHann and Gagner need to retire not be added to Leafs ever growing, over 30 crowd.

04 Aug 2022 15:16:18
Toronto Trades
Niemela (SML)
1st Round Pick 2024

Vancouver Trades
4th Round Pick 2023

I have tweeked a few things from my proposal the other day changing Niemela from NRobertson with The Canucks looking more on a Defenceman Prospect, changing The Leafs 2023 1st Rounder to a 2024 1st Rounder, and Vancouver sending a 4th Rounder instead of a 7th Round Pick in the 2023 Draft.

The reasons are still the same of what each Team would be looking for going forward into next season.

Thoughts ?

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04 Aug 2022 16:41:19
Cap issue is still a problem in this deal.

04 Aug 2022 16:53:29
Simmonds kinda throws me off in this trade. Not sure Vancouver (or anyone) is interested in him.

04 Aug 2022 19:12:57
Rental B-prospect+1st just won't get Miller. If that's all they wanted he'd have been moved already.

04 Aug 2022 13:18:11
Nylander to NJ for Tatar, Foote, Okhotiuk and a 1st in 2023

Robertson and a 2023 3rd to Clb for Peeke.

Sandin and Holmberg to Car for Necas

Holl to Chi for a 2023 4th

Necas signed for 1X$2.5M

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04 Aug 2022 00:58:54
Toronto trades Robertson and Holl
Arizona for Barrett Hayden

Toronto trades Kerfoot
Seattle for 2nd in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024

Toronto trades Sandin
Columbus for Andrew Peeke

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04 Aug 2022 04:25:23
Barret Hayden for Robertson and Holl?
Good luck trying to convince Arizona that is a reasonable return.
Similarly, Kerfoot for a 2nd and a 3rd when Leafs need to dump salary and Seattle would be doing them a favor and paying dearly for it?
I confess to knowing nothing about Peeke and what he brings to the dance so I will refrain from commenting on that proposed trade.

04 Aug 2022 12:56:11
I would really like to get Peeke. He could be that cheap partner for Rielly so Brodie can play with Muzzin. Your value is probably right, but I don't think Clb has a need for Sandin. They would probably rather Robertson and I am not sure if that is enough or not.

04 Aug 2022 00:45:10
Hey leafs how’s this for trades

Tor. Hakanpaa 2nd
Dallas. Hall and Robertson

Tor. Jordan Kyrou
Blues Kerfoot Anderson Sandin and 2 for Dallas.

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03 Aug 2022 20:38:40
Why can't we just go get the player we need that will make a difference? . this player added alone would of got us past tampa, and probably to the cup finals last season . and now there's rumours that he's available? . what are we waiting for?

1st rd pick
Heck. if needed I'd even throw in Robertson

For. drumroll please.

J. T. freaking MILLER!

He's a difference maker. go get em!

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03 Aug 2022 20:51:46
I agree with going after Miller. He might only be a rental, but he's exactly what's needed.

03 Aug 2022 20:56:27
Would love to add him! If we can make the cap work. Someone may have to retain salary.

03 Aug 2022 23:58:22
Makes our cap worse.

04 Aug 2022 03:38:40
Rsears ya maybe but the product on ice you have to admit is better. That is what really counts imo. Now, . not later. Plus we still have youth to back us up for the future.

04 Aug 2022 04:46:33
@Rsears Ithink if JT Miller is brought in, Nylander has to go. Which I'm also fine with.

04 Aug 2022 13:19:10
I agree that Miller would be a very helpful add but you’ve traded away a key piece the Leafs have to get cap compliant.

You would be $3+m over cap following this trade and will have also lost Sandin and your 1st round pick for a 1-year rental. I believe every move should be balanced against longer term needs as well.

And, of course, Miller can’t be resigned if you expect to keep Matthews and Marner so it’s strictly short term in nature.

I’d be interested if I had a place for Muzzin and yes I believe his need ranks ahead of Nylander. And yes I know I’m alone in that wish.

04 Aug 2022 13:22:17
Agreed. The only way to really fit in Miller is if Nylander goes. Even moving Holl for a pick if Kerfoot is in the deal for Miller doesn't create enough cap room.


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