Leafs rumours 4

25 Mar 2024 12:21:29
Leafs trade Jarnknok and Kampf

Arizona 3 round pick 2024

Leaf's roster without Domi and Bertuzzi returning


Knies Matthews Robertson
McMann Tavares Nylamder
--------- Holmberg Marner
Reaves

Reilly liljegren
McCabe --------/-
Benoit Niemela

Woll
Jones

Resigning the free agents that I have in place will still leave Leaf's over $ 20 million in cap space

If they can negiate hard with Domi and Bertuzzi and get them both signed for combined 6 million they can really have an amazing team with still over $14 million in cap space

25 Mar 2024 14:13:36
Won't happen, also I think Benoit walks he's been benched for no reason.

25 Mar 2024 18:51:10
@Randy I'm thinking that as well. Someone will give him a 2x2 or some such after this year, and he'll want the opportunity to play.

He was doing excellent for a bottom pairing guy, and abruptly benched. Players hate that.

26 Mar 2024 00:32:00
Leafs (Keefe’s) treatment of Benoit certainly opens the door for him to leave.

Robertson (left handed) isn’t a suitable 1st line LW let alone RW.

I don’t see how you can separate Matthews and Marner one of the best duos in the league.
Then to put Marner on the 3rd line with Holmberg and a blank?
Two very unhappy players.
Not a good idea.

Get rid of Reaves (one way or another) .
Keep Dewar if he is around minimum wage.
Try to sign Yakov Trenin or Brandon Duhaime or both.

Reilly - Roy/ Walker/ DeMelo
McCabe - Liljegren
Benoit/ Edmundson - Timmins
Niemala.

26 Mar 2024 11:22:29
Trading jarnkrok and kampf have more of a negative impact than a positive the number one weakness of this team is their pk and the lack of defensive forwards as good as holmberg has been he’s still pretty inconsistent so him as a 3c doesn’t make much sense Robertson I can’t see coming back the fit isn’t there he needs to be on a rebuilding team I agree they should try and hold onto a lot of their ufas but I do think they need an upgrade at rhd and a quality centre.

28 Mar 2024 01:38:55
Benoit is an RFA, if anything could be traded for a 5th or 6th. But I think he resigns as at 1m x2yr. He can fit in as a 7th.

25 Mar 2024 00:09:53
Leafs off season changes,

First- fire Keefe and the entire coaching staff.

Second- hire Berube or Gallant as new coach. Find assistant coaches that have played in the NHL!

Players gone,
Forwards Bertuzzi, Domi, Robertson, Kampf, Dewar, Jarnkroc, Gregor

Defense, Brodie, Llyigren, Lybushkin, Giordano, Murray, Muzzin, Samsonov, Jones,

Forwards left

Vatrano Matthews Marner
Debrusk Tavares Nylander
Knies McMann
Bellows Holmberg Reaves

Defense

Rielly Pecse or Montour
McCabe Roy
Benoit Brown
Webber Timmons

Goalies

Woll
Hildeby

UFAs to Target; RHD Pease, Montour, Matt Roy, Josh Brown

Left Wing Forwards:
Trade Robertson and Kampf
To
Anaheim for Vatrano

Sign Debrusk Or Mantha UFAS

Trade Llyigren and Jarnkroc
To
A Third Line Center!

25 Mar 2024 10:22:05
You don’t get it Robertson is not in same league as Austin Matthews as no one is but he has the 2nd best release on the LEAFS

IF YOU PUT Robertson with the right Center ice man and winger he will pop 30 plus goals

I would bring Domi and Bertuzzi back but on multi year deal I’m not paying Domi anymore than $2.5 million and Bertuzzi no more than $3.5 million on a multi year deal

Jarnknok and Kampf are traded for picks

So lineup shakes out like this


Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
Robertson Tavares Nylander
McMann Holmberg . Marner
Reaves Minten Cowan


Leafs would probably add a centerman in free agency and if Domi and Bertuzzi don’t return they need to be replaced

Bertuzzi is going to have to take a big haircut his scoring ability isn’t worth $5.5 million a yr

Leafs could give Bertuzzi and Domi term at team friendly number.

26 Mar 2024 11:24:35
You don’t get it is mackin your boy is t as good as you think he is.

27 Mar 2024 15:39:59
Robertson release isn't as good as Tavares or nylander. It also lacks deception. He had a hard shot in junior that he could beat goalies clean with, he doesn't beat to many goalies clean in the NHl. I have been liking Robertson better of late and think he still has potential to be a good player, but needs a lot of work.

Robertson isn't a 30 goal guy pretty much anywhere In the league unless he is the trigger guy and plays with a great passer, maybe playing with huberdeau in Calgary.

22 Mar 2024 16:40:54
LEAFS OFFSEASON
Projected cap next season is set at 87.7M


Resign Max Domi @ 4M x 3 yrs
Resign Tyler Bertuzzi @ 5.5M x 2 yrs
Resign Joel Edmundson @ 3M x 2 yrs
Resign Simon Benoit @ 1.5M x 1 yrs
Sign Steven Stamkos @ 5M x 1 yrs
Sign Brandon Montour @ 5.5M x 3 yrs
Sign Kevin Stenlund @ 1M x 1
Sign Mark-Andre Fleury @ 1M x 1

Leafs have no picks before round 5 next years draft, time to clear some cap and restock the shelves.

Trade Jarnkrok for a 2025 3rd round pick
Trade Kampf for a 2025 4th round pick



Domi (4M) - Matthews (11.6M) - Marner (10.9) - 26.5
Knies (925K) - Stamkos (5M) - Nylander (11.5) - 17.425
Bertuzzi (5.5M) - Tavares (11M) - McMann (1.35M) - 17.85
Reaves (1.35M) - Stenlund (1M) - Holmberg (800K) - 3.15

64.925

Rielly (7.5) - Montour (5.5M) - 13M
McCabe (2M) - Edmundson (3M) - 5M
Benoit (1M) - Lilegren (1.4M) - 2.4M
Timmins (1.1M)

21.5

Wall (766K)
Flowers (1M)

1.7


87.185.

22 Mar 2024 17:37:34
You're overpaying a lot of guys imo.

Why dump Jarnkrok? He's a solid 200ft player.

Stammer will want some kind of term, and I won't give it. If Stammer wants ro come home, he can sign for 2m or less.

23 Mar 2024 11:19:36
You just paid Benoit $1.5 and Matthews gets $13.25 next year so you’re over the expected cap.

I’m not paying Bertuzzi $5.5 or Domi $4; I’m okay having them but not at that price. Same goes for Edmundson.

23 Mar 2024 11:33:10
And forgot to mention you need to resign Liligren. He will expect a raise in his $1.4m.

24 Mar 2024 20:12:40
For sure JARNROCK and KAMPF are being traded they are too expensive for what they do.

Leafs have 4 emerging talents up front that will get more minutes next season

McMann this guy is what Hyman was for leafs and he is only earning $1.35 million next two seasons

Robertson he just needs to play with good players and he can be a 30 goal scorer. His release is second to Matthews .

Holmberg needs to play with good players and he can score third line center . I would have Marner and Robertson as his line mates

Cowan is same as Marner he makes leafs as 19 year old.

24 Mar 2024 22:46:58
Mackin. On the same day you have Robertson outside the Leafs top 9 and also calling Robertson a 30 goal scorer if playing with good players. Do you mean if he plays with good players next year on another team? Then who knows, you may be right.

24 Mar 2024 22:55:10
Leafs back up goalie next year could be Matt Murray on a close to league minimum deal.

25 Mar 2024 00:21:05
Saying Robertson needs good players is such a cop out.

So if he had Mackinnion and Mcdavid in his line he'd be fine? Lol.

21 Mar 2024 20:37:21
Arizona Trades
Durzi

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
Liljegren
Villeneuve (AHL)


Thoughts ?

22 Mar 2024 09:16:27
Is Durzi who we had in the minors, couldn't crack the NHL roster and requested a trade? Seems odd to me to trade for him now.

24 Mar 2024 03:37:02
Durzi was sent to LA along with Grundstron and a 1st round pick for Jake Muzzin.
Never got the chance to play for the Leafs.

21 Mar 2024 18:23:20
Toronto lines fully healthy

Domi Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares jarnkrok
Knies Kampf nylander
Mcmann dewar Reeves.
Gregor holmberg

Reilly McCabe
Brodie lily
Edmundson Benoit

21 Mar 2024 19:29:35
You left out Bertuzzi. And there is no chance Keefe will have Robertson in the playoff line up.

I think Keefe does:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Domi-Jarnkrok
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves/ Holmberg
Robertson & Gregor extras

Rielly-Boosh
Brodie-McCabe
Edmundson Liljegren
Benoit & Timmins extras.

21 Mar 2024 19:44:30
You're sitting Boosh?

21 Mar 2024 19:55:49
I'd take Boosh of Brodie or Lilly right now.

21 Mar 2024 21:53:54
This is my take on what the lines should be for now and when Marner comes back;

Bertuzzi Papi Domi
Knies JT Nylander
McMann Holmberg Marner
Dewar/ Jarnkrok Kampf Reaves

Rielly Boosh
McCabe Benoit
Eddy Lily
Brodie

Woll
Sammy.

21 Mar 2024 23:34:29
I did forget bert. I've not hated Robertson game. We've been asking him to change his play style and hes been showing commitment to trying to do that.

22 Mar 2024 00:32:53
Kampf centering Nylander and Knies is a complete waste of Nylander’s and Knies’s talent.
Kampf is barely a 4th line center let alone a 3rd line center.

22 Mar 2024 02:23:49
@WB how is he barely a 4C? What exactly makes him an AHL player to you?

22 Mar 2024 14:06:00
LL. He is easily a 4C. I have said with the right line mates, some big guys that can skate and forecheck (Knies and McMann for instance), that he could be a 3C on a line like that. I know I am on an island thinking that, but wouldn't be the first times I have been on an island in my evaluations.

22 Mar 2024 14:49:44
@RLF no, I agree he is an excellent 4C and with the right line mates, a good 3C.

WB always just throws out these outlandish statements then goes quiet. I'd like to know why he isn't even a 4C.

22 Mar 2024 17:40:02
@LL. Well, I guess RLF island has another inhabitant afterall. LOL.

23 Mar 2024 11:24:00
I’m okay with Kampf as a 4C but at $2.4 it’s too much so I’d look for a lower paid 4C with some term and upside.

Kampf has been better lately though I’d like to see more physicality.

I agree with Clarky in sitting Brodie.

21 Mar 2024 13:41:23
I've moved to the computer instead of my phone, so let's try this one last time lol

Leafs trade in summer

To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round pick (via TB)

Trade Kampf & Jarnkrok for more picks

Leafs re-sign
Bertuzzi $5M/ 5yrs
Domi $3M/ 4yrs
Dewar $1.15M/ 2yrs
Benoit $1.1M/ 2yrs
Liljegren $3.25M/ 3yrs
Jones $1.4M/ 2yrs

UFA targets
Roy $5.5M/ 6yrs
Dillon $3.5M/ 4yrs

New Lines (tweak Willy to 2C)

Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi $21.25M
McMann-Nylander-Marner $23.753M
Knies-Tavares-Cowan $12.860833
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves $3.3M
Tverberg $.851667

Rielly-Roy $13M
Dillon-Lily $6.75M
Benoit-McCabe $3.1M
Burrough $.55M

Woll $.766667M
Jones $1.4M

Projected Cap $87.7M
Leafs Cap $87.582167

Nylander at 2C will be the main issue to get through, but Marner & McMann makes this line defensively responsible.
Cowan may also be a stretch, but many player's his age and skill have transitioned into the NHL.

Thoughts?

21 Mar 2024 14:32:50
Geez Tags, has Mackin been showing you how to post the same trade 3X in one day? lol

I don't mind going after Burroughs. He and Benoit would be a solid, physical 3rd pair. I think Leafs are giving up too much. He's a late bloomer 3rd pair guy. To me, something like Tverberg and a 5/ 6th round pick should do it, no retention. Timmins could stay as the 7th D or move him for a pick and get a cheaper 7th D.

Domi, Dewar, Benoit and Roy signings I am good with.
Need Bertuzzi to come in a little better on money.
No way would I want to see Liljegren signed for $3.25M per. People were complaining I wanted Peeke at $2.75M. Just for those that told me Peeke is trash. Small sample size, but 3 games in Boston, all wins. 1 pt, 5 hits, 8 blocks and a +3 averaging around 18 mins a night. Amazing what playing on a good team will do for your stats compared to playing on a crap team. Liljegren goes out along with Robertson imo.

I would look at targeting Trenin of course, and Walker to fill out the D. I'd rather Walker at $3.25M than Liljegren. Jones wouldn't be bad, but maybe a guy like Stolarz or Brossoit would be a bit of an upgrade. No desire to trade both Jarnkrok and Kampf, but if one has to go for cap space, I would likely move Jarnkrok if bringing back Bert and Domi and adding Trenin.

No way I want to see Willy at C. He's a winger.

21 Mar 2024 15:00:17
@RLF lol, yes I just finished the Mackin school of posting props 101.
Anyways, I would like to retain both Domi & Bertuzzi, but can't figure out any other logical ways to do it, especially along with upgrading our defensive which is an obvious need.
Maybe you can figure out something that makes sense.

21 Mar 2024 16:21:58
Tags. lol Making sense is subjective. We are all just spitballin here.

Let's say Roy signs for $5.5 as you say and Walker at $3.25M. That leaves the Leafs about 11.75M. Benoit at $1.1M and Boosh at 1.5 and leaves approx. $9.15M with the D pretty much set.

Rielly Roy
McCabe Walker
Benoit Boosh

Move Timmins for a pick. Up to 10.25M
Bert 5X$4.6M
Domi 3X$3M
Leaves $1.55M

Move Jarnkrok for prospect/ pick
Up to $3.65M
Sign Dewar 2X$1M
leaves $2.65M
Sign Stolarz 2X$1.5M
leaves $1.1M

Domi Matthews Marner
Bert JT Nylander
Knies Kampf McMann
Homlberg Dewar Reaves
(Rookie)

Rielly Roy
McCabe Walker
Benoit Boosh

Woll
Stolarz

Fits under the cap I think. Then when JT's deal is done, money opens up.

21 Mar 2024 18:11:32
No doubt, but it's fun spitballing.
I personally don't like Kampf as 3C, I know you're okay with it though. To me, he doesn't supply enough offense that's why I want him moved and that's why I go round and round in circles lol.
IMO we really need a 2C koving forward because I think JT would be much better served as a 3C next year.

21 Mar 2024 18:14:00
I thought his course would be called anyway the wind blows.

21 Mar 2024 19:43:01
Randy. No man, that's the PHD course, you have to learn the basics before you get to the "anyway the wind blows" full on ideology.

23 Mar 2024 11:36:01
Agreed on Nylander staying at RW.
Think there’s no need to continue that experiment.
We have learned his D is lacking; he has a hard enough time covering the slot and point let alone having him support the D at net front and corner.

21 Mar 2024 13:22:24
Let's try this again, fat fingers as Rsears always says lol.

Domi & Bert becoming permanent features for the Leafs and I belive we have the cap space to re-sign with some line juggling.

First trade in summer
To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round puck (via TB)

Teade Kampf & Jarnkrok for picks only

Sign
Bertuzzi $5M/ 5yrs
Domi $3M/ 4yrs
Dewar $1.15M/ 2yrs
Benoit $1.1M/ 2yrs
Liljegren $3.25M/ 3yrs

UFA targets
Roy $5.5M/ 6yrs
Dillon $3.5M/ 4yrs.

22 Mar 2024 00:40:49
$5M for what Bertuzzi produces seems like a $1M dollar overpayment.
Also Bertuzzi is already 29 years old so 5 years is far too much term.
3 years should be the maximum.
Resigning Domi at $3 would be fine but like Bertuzzi, 3 years term would be max.

Resigning Liljegren will be interesting after Washington (for some reason) decided to give Rasmus Sandin $4.6M for 4 years.

21 Mar 2024 13:13:46
Looks like Domi & Bert are becoming permanent pieces on this team andni belive we can re-sign both woth a little line tweaking.

First trade in summer
To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round puck (via TB) nd.

21 Mar 2024 05:37:32
Leafs trade Reaves
Rangers trade Rempe

If I'm Treliving I play let's make a deal with both Domi and Bertuzzi. Because both of them can do very well when they play with an elite talent like Matthews. Domi passes Bertuzzi crashes net and Matthews gets hat tricks

But the price on these two players is everything

Domi 3 years 2.5 million
Bertuzzi 3 years 3.5 million

If you can get those two at the right number then it still allows you to add a top 6 forward as free agency

21 Mar 2024 09:12:03
I think he has much more to give on that top line but Bertuzzi in his last 13 games 8 goals 4 assists. In that 13 games stretch he still had 5 games in a row where he only had 1 point.

His number would have to come down but Leaf's could add years 3.5 million 5 years that deal would take him to 34 years of age. Leaf's could argue they are taking chance as he can be inconsistent.

Is $3.5 up to 5 years a fair deal Bertuzzi.

21 Mar 2024 11:56:09
weathermackin, Spring must be coming, because you have really warmed up to Bertuzzi after wanting to send him to the arctic for most of the season.
If he wants to be here, maybe 5X$4M could get it done, but I think that is on the low end. With the cap going up, every agent is going to be asking more for their clients from the bottom players to the top players and everything in-between. The one thing about Bertuzzi, is he even has a hockey Canada red maple leaf tattoo over his heart. Playing in Canada for him is a want I believe.

21 Mar 2024 16:40:31
RLF

I don’t think Domi can get $5.5 again. Teams have to worry about his production. We see if Leafs try to sign those two b4 season ends .

21 Mar 2024 19:41:15
Mackin. I assume you meant Bertuzzi and not Domi. I said maybe if he really wants to be a Leaf, he takes 5 years at $4M per, but that is low end. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the $5.5M comment.

20 Mar 2024 16:55:42
Leafs trade rights to Brodie

Arizona 7 th round pick

We must post trades to appear on board. This is a really dumb one as Brodie walks.

The great news this offseason is Leafs get to finally rebuild defence. All the leafs have going into next season is


Reilly -----
McCabe ------
----- Liljegren


I don't really think Benoit is even a 5 th defencemen. I'm not sure if they sign him for 1 million overv2 seasons or not.

But the Leafs can't possible win a round in playoffs with this defence


Edmonsson and Lyubushkin are both flawed bottom pairing defenders. Neither is worth bringing back just two many holes to fill this offseason 3 defenders and 2 forwards. Leafs are waisting the best years of Matthews Marner Nylander Tavares and Reilly

20 Mar 2024 17:53:47
Who in their right might would give up anything for a 34 year old UFA?
Especially when they can target him for free in the off season.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Brodie decided to hang them up at seasons end. Just have a gut feeling the game doesn't mean as much to him anymore.

20 Mar 2024 20:11:14
Honestly Brodie hasn't looked the same since his dad died. Tough to deal with.

20 Mar 2024 23:37:25
@Jmaxx completely forgot about that. Good point.

21 Mar 2024 00:20:01
Jmaxx. Yea, sometimes we forget the players are human.

21 Mar 2024 01:01:46
The leafs have one positive since Marner injury . They have found a top line

Domi. Matthews Bertuzzi

This is huge heading into playoffs .

McMann Tavares Nylander

Will be great second line that allows you to have Marner on third line

Knies. Holmberg Marner

This will be problematic for teams to shut down three lines or you didn’t like Holmberg on third line it could be


Dom Matthews Bertuzzi
McMann Nylander Robertson
Knies Tavares Marner


I prefer this setup above

Now if toy can fix defence we might stand a chance in playoffs even if it means sitting Brodie.

21 Mar 2024 02:19:27
Brodie’s wife is also suffering from a serious disease.
Can’t remember if it is multiple sclerosis or one of the others but it must be taking a huge toll on him and his family.

21 Mar 2024 11:41:48
WB49. I didn't know that. I thought he had been playing like a guy that has lost confidence, but it could very well be that his personal life has taken a huge toll on the guy.

22 Mar 2024 00:13:38
Brodie made a comment earlier in the season that
"hockey isn't everything "
I'm guessing all that's going on in his life is effecting his play.
Gotta feel for the guy.

19 Mar 2024 16:54:28
Blues Trade
Buchnevich*
3rd Round Pick 2024 (NYR Pick)

Leafs Trade
Holmberg
Kampf**
1st Round Pick 2024

*Blues retain 50% of Buchnevich's expiring contract.

**Kampf will have to waive his modified no trade clause if The Blues aren't part of clause.


Thoughts ?

19 Mar 2024 22:44:01
@ tags 97

Your signings are reasonable and probably what the player is actually worth except maybe Liigren should get 2.5 Aav
Lindholm signing is very brilliant and reasonable
And Roy or Parayanko would be my right handed defenceman target.

20 Mar 2024 10:33:08
Thanks leafs1993.
Agreed with either Roy or Parayko.
Roy would be my first UFA target or trading for Parayko ( hopefully negotiating for a 10%/ 15% retention) .
IMO Lily gets $2.5M / 1yr, or $3.25Mish for 3 years.
I would love Lindholm, he hasn't been doing well at all in Vavcouver, so his stock is dropping. Hopefully Tre, with their history, can talk him into a 1 year show me deal. I think 2C is our biggest issue next year for the forward group.
Defense obviously is our #1 priority though.