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19 Jul 2024 11:36:51
Just a straight up trade.
Morgan Frost $2.1M/ 1yr RFA
for
Nick Robertson RFA rights
Frost doesn't seem to be wanted in Philly & Robertson doesn't want to be here.
Both players get a new lease in their careers.
Leafs get a 3C, who potentially can replace Tavares at 2C during this season or moving forward to next year.
Philly gets a young scoring winger. Someone Briere has shown interest in.
1.) 19 Jul 2024 16:00:45
Leafs would have to add.
2.) 19 Jul 2024 18:43:14
No way add cause frost on the outs in Philly. I would do jarnkrok for frost as torts loves guys like him lol.
3.) 20 Jul 2024 18:19:13
You clearly over value Robertson. Frost is a young center with almost 3x the games played. 49% f/ o in 4. More ice time per game. Only 2yr older, Bigger, and left injury history.
17 Jul 2024 17:04:40
To Utah
Robertson RFA rights
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
Jarnkrok $2.1M/ 2yrs
2026 3rd
To Toronto
Hayton $2.65M/ 2yrs
Kesselring $1.4M/ 2yrs
Thoughts?
1.) 17 Jul 2024 22:53:10
Big overpay by the leafs.
15 Jul 2024 17:27:49
To Nashville
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
Robertson RFA rights
Abruzzese ELC
To Toronto
Sissons $2.86M/ 2yrs
Lauzon $2M/ 2yrs
Nashville needs some more scoring, so they get a young potential 25 goal scorer and a younger Dman to replace Lauzon. Also a B Prospect to help balance the trade.
Plus they gain about.
1.) 15 Jul 2024 18:13:27
To continue
Nashville is tight against the cap and gain about $1M cap wise as well.
Leafs get a 3C, who plays hard with some physicality. Sissonsnis RH and PK's too. Then Leafs swap Liljegren for Lauzon who plays more physical for their bottom pair.
Not sure is the values work.
Thoughts?
2.) 15 Jul 2024 18:40:07
Correction
Nashville gain about $500K cap wise.
3.) 15 Jul 2024 23:02:20
I'm all for this trade, hut I really struggle seeing where Lilly has value. Maybe I just don't loke the player, but I wouldn't take him for free at 3m.
4.) 16 Jul 2024 00:06:05
Sorry Tags, I don’t see Nashville doing this. They would be losing the better D and F. Might have to add a high draft pick or better prospect than Abbruzzese IMO.
5.) 16 Jul 2024 23:12:32
If you guys (in the comments) really think Liljegren having no value, the leafs are better off giving him a last shot. You get both a PP, and a PK option. He’s handled top 4 minutes at times and has showed promise despite being inconsistent.
I think Keefe had something to do with that. Since he came to North America at 19, Liljegren has only played under Keefe. (Both AHL and NHL), he saw his steepest development the 5 months before COVID when he had his only different coach since Keefe had an NHL promotion. His confidence and consistency took a dive when Sandin left, and it makes sense since Keefe never seemed to trust him, Sandin likely kept his confidence up. I’d like to see if Berube can get the most out of him, since he is known to instill confidence in his players.
Couldn’t care much for Nick, don’t think his style of play fits a Berube team. But what do I know.
15 Jul 2024 03:08:49
To SJ
Robertson RFA rights
2025 6th
To Toronto
Benning $1.25M/ 2 yrs
2025 2nd
Then
To Philly
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
To Toronto
Frost $2.1M/ 1yr.
1.) 15 Jul 2024 10:29:05
If they say yes, all for it.
2.) 15 Jul 2024 13:53:48
I like it Tags and both seem like fair deals but I don’t think I want Frost. Maybe I haven’t seen enough of him but from last year, I remember him in Torts dog house quite a bit. I know everyone is hard in the 3C but I think Kampf is capable with Holmberg challenging for the spot. I still think we need another winger or C that’s big and plays with an edge to fill the Bertuzzi hole.
3.) 15 Jul 2024 14:10:34
I get it, edge and toughness is the one thing I'm missing with Frost, but he has good offensive instincts and had apperantly played well after Philly inserted him back into the line up.
Personally, I would take a chance with him and look to pick up some toughness on the wing, maybe at the TDL.
Lines IMO
Domi Matthews Nylander
Knies Tavares Marner
McMann Frost Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Benning
Hakanpaa/ Timmins
We would have some form of toughness on every line up front and on
defense as well.
I think Leafs could even experiment with Frost on L2 (I think he definitely has potental for 2C) and slide Tavares down. It gives us more options IMO.
4.) 15 Jul 2024 14:26:39
Not sure Leafs can get Benning and what will likely be a high 2nd for Robertson.
I still think the trade for Benning is Liljegren going to SJ.
5.) 15 Jul 2024 14:49:41
RLF maybe Leafs add a prospect if needed for Benning, maybe Abruzzese.
I think Liljegren would be a good target for Philly and Frost for the Leafs, seems like both teams get what they need IMO.
11 Jul 2024 17:01:56
To Utah
Robertson RFA rights
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
2025 2nd (via Florida)
To Toronto
McBain $1.6M/ 1yr RFA
Kesselring $1.4M/ 2yrs RFA
2025 3rd (via NYR)
1.) 11 Jul 2024 18:52:42
I like it Tags but I know Utah like McBain. Would be hard to get him out unless you overpay. But IMO exactly what we could use in a 3rd line C.
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12 Jul 2024 14:23:37
This would be my starting line up if Leafs don't make any other trades.
They just sign Robertson $1.35M & Dewar $1.35M and trade Jarnkrok & Timmins.
Knies Matthews Nylander
Robertson Domi Marner
McMann Tavares Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Liljegren
Hakanpaa
Woll
Stolarz
Total Cap $87.449335M.
1.) 13 Jul 2024 01:54:27
Nice topic Tags! I’d go with this one:
Knies Matthews Cowan
McMann Domi Marner
Holmberg JT Nylander
Dewar Kampf Reaves
Robertson/ Steeves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Hakanpaa/ Liljegren
Will/ Stolarz.
2.) 13 Jul 2024 11:27:39
trade Jarnkrok and kampf and Liljegren
Robertson matthews marner
Knies domi nylander
McMann JT Cowan
Holmberg dewer reaves
Reilly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL hakanpaa
First pp
Knies matthews mcmann
Marner OEL
Second pp
Domi JT nylander
Reilly Robertson.
3.) 13 Jul 2024 22:54:39
Knies Matthews domi
Robertson nylander Marner
McMann Tavares Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Liljegren
Hakanpaa (takes lilys spot if healthy)
Woll
Stolarz
Nylander and centre can be a project, I didn't hate it as much as most last year.
4.) 14 Jul 2024 18:53:25
Oh Randy, I wasn’t gonna comment but I can’t stand the looos of that 2nd line, so soft and Nylander at C? Recipe for disaster.
06 Jul 2024 12:17:30
I really dont understand WTF Buffalo was thinking in that trade for Ryan McLeod.
This is one of the worst trades I've seen.
I like McLeod, but I think he tops out as a 3C. I just don't understand Buffalo trading their top prospect, Savoie 9OA who is scoring 2 points per game in the WHL for a 3rd line center and to a team who is in cap hell. Just ludicrous!
1.) 06 Jul 2024 14:27:42
Buffalo looks ridiculous. 5M for Zucker and they bought out Skinner too. Not too sure what’s going on there. They have a lot of skilled D over there but no Jake McCabe style D, gonna be tough to get in playoffs for them again I think.
2.) 06 Jul 2024 14:43:15
Trying to figure out what Buffalo is doing is always impossible. I never understand that team.
For all the rubbish we give Leafs management, Sabres have to be up there with Ballard years for how bad it is.
If they traded Dahlin for the 22nd overall pick, would anyone actually be surprised?
3.) 09 Jul 2024 15:09:49
Buffalo has an NHL team?
29 Jun 2024 03:49:37
I was hoping Leafs would trade down, but when Solberg was still available at 23, I changed my mind. I really wanted him.
Anyway, I guess Leafs figured it made more sense to trade down and get a 2nd round pick as well.
Surprised with their pick, m though, I didn't even look at Danford. But in Wes I trust, so hopefully Danford develops into a 2nd pairing defenseman.
What do you guys think?
Plus, I'm wondering whether Leafs trade the 2nd round pick to get Marino or possibly Ross Colton.
1.) 29 Jun 2024 14:06:38
Tags. Elick was still available, so I'm surprised they passed on him. Danford plays a similar style. He's like an Erick light. can only think that Leafs are interested in local boys who are also Leafs fans.
It's another Cowan type of pick and let's hope he got this one right as well.
2.) 29 Jun 2024 14:15:19
Does he go a little off the board again with the 2nd rounder for a monster like Mateiko?
3.) 29 Jun 2024 15:00:19
I’m starting to think the leafs are over thinking their draft picks the last handful of year I like the trade down but to then go off the board sucks.
4.) 29 Jun 2024 23:48:05
Wes Clark has been drafting some good prospects the last few years, I'm fine with Danford. Obviously he knows more than we do.
Trading the 2nd for a 2025 2nd gives us a pick to possibly use at the TDL. And I'm fine if we can get Tanev, he is still a solid Dman and better defensively than anyone we have. Hopefully Tre can sign him.
10 Jun 2024 22:48:07
With Marner not being traded, I would love to get Boone Jenner?
What does it take?
Robertson & Minten, 2024 5th? Enough?
Jenner at 2C, with a cap hit of $3.75M/ 2yrs would fit nicely in our cap situation.
Do you think Columbus would even entertain trading him?
1.) 11 Jun 2024 12:34:20
I don't think that's enough for Jenner. Fabulous target, but he plays the "Right way", is a leader, and has a solid cap hit.
2C's at 3.75 for 2 years aren't cheap.
2.) 11 Jun 2024 12:57:03
Columbus is one of those organizations that no matter what they do lately, it doesn't work. They are stuck with Laine likely. They have lots of good RFA's to re-sign including, Marchenko, Sillinger, Johnson and Bean and not a ton of cap space to do it.
They have really good D-men. They could try and trade off Jenner and Kuraly and go younger OR they could trade some youth for help now.
If they go younger, you may be in the ballpark as Jenner isn't a big point producer.
3.) 11 Jun 2024 14:32:52
I think getting Jenner 2C at $3.75M is a better direction to go in rather than spending $5.25Mish on Bertuzzi (winger) .
Knies Matthews Domi $3.75
McMann Jenner Nylander
Cowan Tavares Marner
Holmberg Dewer $1.2 Reaves
Only 12 forwards to fit the cap & Kampf needs to be traded as well
Rielly Roy $5.8
McCabe Tanev $4.5
Benoit Klingberg ($1 show me PP1)
Woll
Btossoit $3.
4.) 11 Jun 2024 15:19:36
Plus
Timmins
Total cap $87.699334.
5.) 11 Jun 2024 20:23:21
@Tags don’t want Tanev, there are better options in that price range and I 100% don’t want Klingberg even for free and limited minutes. Like to get a solid 6 where you can trust everyone to play in all situations minus PP obviously. Shelter Klingberg to burn out Rielly and Klingberg was not the answer on the PP either. We are trying to get away from being a team that commits too many turnovers, so minus machine Klingberg can take his shot somewhere else. Hopefully Boston or Florida so we have a chance to beat them.
6.) 11 Jun 2024 22:09:10
@Clarky
We'll put Klingberg aside because I know nobody agrees with me, lol.
I really like Roy as my first target and then I'd push for Tanev to pair with McCabe as a shut down duo. I think it's hard to snatch 2/ 3 top UFA defenseman with all the competition, so maybe Tre's history with Tanev helps us sign him as well.
Who would you go for other than Tanev?
7.) 12 Jun 2024 09:35:07
@Tags Skjei or Pesce. Tanev will want 4 years minimum imo, and he might get close to it.
8.) 12 Jun 2024 11:19:29
@LL Skjei or Pesce are not in the $4.5M range. It's hard to fit in 2 top D if Marner isn't traded.
9.) 12 Jun 2024 11:20:54
Maybe we could target Walker to play with McCabe, he should be in that $4.5M range.
10.) 12 Jun 2024 12:55:44
Don't sleep on Carrier for the right side imo.
No, he is not big, but he is used mostly in defensive situations. He is a + player at even strength and PK's as well. In the past 3 seasons, Nashville goalies have had a 94.7, 92.7 and 91.4 save % respectively when he is on the ice. Blocked 137 shots last season. Played about 19 mins a game last season while making $2.5M. If Leafs can get him for around $3.5M per, he could add good value as he also puts up 20-30 pts a season. 8 pts in 16 playoff games while averaging over 21 mins a night.
11.) 12 Jun 2024 14:10:28
RLF Carrier is definitely a good option, I forgot about him. He will be slightly cheaper than Tanev/ Walker and much younger. Plays PK and can also man the 2nd PP, good option RLF.
Rielly Roy
McCabe Carrier
Benoit _______
Timmins
Maybe target Joshua Brown $1.2M?
12.) 12 Jun 2024 16:49:31
Tags. Not sure on Brown to fill that spot. I don't dislike him, but someone with a little better skating and cheap enough might be a better fit. imo
You know I would move Liljegren, hopefully for some forward help whether straight up or in a package, so he is not really an option for me.
If it's me, as long as Benning is healthy, I would see what the cost to acquire him is. Perfect 3rd pair RD option imo.
Other than that, Phillipe Myers has always been a guy that has intrigued and confused me at the same time. All the tools, but can't seem to hang on anywhere since his great start in Philly when he looked like a future 2nd pair RD. If it isn't a substance abuse issue, I would take a minimum deal flyer on him and let Myers, Timmins and Niemela fight it out for 6/ 7 spots. If Myers and Niemela look good, move Timmins and open up the cap space.
18 May 2024 14:57:46
Who would you guys like to see as assistants?
I'm hearing some chatter on Marc Savard for PP *not sure if he's still employed with Calgary though) . He is someone who coached with Berube in the past.
And Berube's mentor, John Steven's, who has coached cup winning teams in LA, and more recently, with Vegas.
Thoughts?
1.) 18 May 2024 21:13:20
Marc Savard I like. Keep hearing his name as well, but as you said, I'm pretty sure he's still with the Flames.
2.) 18 May 2024 22:40:56
Sounds like the assistants will be savard and van Ryan both who worked with berube.
3.) 20 May 2024 00:44:14
Gilmour runs PP
Clark runs any Leaf who plays lethargic
Cujo is goaltending coach
???.
4.) 20 May 2024 02:35:45
Lol I love it!
Sign them up.
23 Jul 2024 23:22:50
Legend74 where did you read this? I've not seen any news on Lehner's return and would bet that his career is over.
19 Jul 2024 18:59:50
I've had enough of Marner news, rumours blah blah blah.
Just let him walk next summer and move on.
18 Jul 2024 21:20:59
Clarky I've read that we are the 6th oldest team in the league and these trades would probably bump us up into the top 3.
Personally, I would prefer to trade for younger players.
15 Jul 2024 18:40:07
Correction
Nashville gain about $500K cap wise.
15 Jul 2024 18:13:27
To continue
Nashville is tight against the cap and gain about $1M cap wise as well.
Leafs get a 3C, who plays hard with some physicality. Sissonsnis RH and PK's too. Then Leafs swap Liljegren for Lauzon who plays more physical for their bottom pair.
Not sure is the values work.
Thoughts?
20 Jul 2024 11:20:11
Agreed on bridge deal, especially if Marner & Tavares are re-signed.
Tavares $11M is already spent
Woll $3M
McCabe $3M
Knies $2.5M (bridge)
Marner $1.5M
$10M gone just on the above 4 increases, which leaves $1M for JT.
Add the $4M cap increase and there is JT's $5M AAV.
We're back in the same position.
20 Jul 2024 02:47:35
BTW I think he is going with his name spelled
Grebenkin.
20 Jul 2024 02:41:57
Yes, I'm really looking forward to see what Grebyonkin brings.
I do think he starts in the AHL though, but I do think he'll be one of the first call ups.
17 Jul 2024 02:22:56
Clarky this season will be like the others as long as the Core remains in tact, so why make rushed trades. We're just shuffling the deck chairs just like all other year's.
Nothing will change till JT's contract is done and with whatever will happen with Marner.
Leafs running it back for the 7th? time, hopefully the Core can do something this time around and hopefully Berube has a positive impact as well.
16 Jul 2024 20:40:59
I don't think we should trade him now, while his stock is not really high.
I think Robertson will be a 25-30 goal scorer, so I would rather re-sign him and play him in the top 6 (with Marner), so he can increase his trade value.
Let him score a few goals and then make a mid season trade.