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25 Mar 2024 18:38:52
What do you guys think for playoff D-pairs?

I'm agreeing with RLF on
#1 pair
Rielly - McCabe
(I think they should run with this pair remainder of season and see where it goes) .

#2 Pair
Edmundson - Liljegren
(Iike Edmundson's physicality & complete, plus he's got playoff experience. A good partner for Liljegren who is being giving the rope to move forward. I hope Lily takes it and runs)

Now I think I'm going to agree with Clarky (no Brodie)
#3 Pair
Benoit - Boosh
(Both tough and will play limited minutes. I think Benoit can move the puck up enough for this pairing, that's my main concern with these 2).

Tags97

1.) 25 Mar 2024 19:38:25
Tags. These would be my pairs atm right now as well. What I have said Brodie is that if he can get his game together that is a big plus for the Leafs as then it creates more options.


2.) 25 Mar 2024 20:05:22
Agreed RLF.
I just think the first 2 pairs should be set as I've stated above and the 3rd pair will be some combination between Benoit, Lyubushkin & Brodie. With a very, very outside shot from Timmins.
Let's see how they play out rest of season.


3.) 26 Mar 2024 11:13:28
The leafs did it last year and had success running 11-7 I mean they went out and got bodies back there and moved no one out just makes more sense and also allows the leafs to get there too guys a few extra shifts my pairs would be this.

Benoit mccabe
Reilly boosh
Edmudson Brodie
Liljgren

Again I’ll die on this hill Brodie is a fine player he just needs to be deployed right keefe let’s him sit and they get good performance but then messes up the pairs just to get Brodie into the top 4 Brodie played his best hockey this year with liljgren and edmudson has looked good with liljgren so I’d play those three together and let the other two pairs that we have seen work do there thing.


4.) 26 Mar 2024 14:20:46
I don't think they go 11-7 this year. The top forwards especially looked gassed in the 2nd round. Keefe seems to be waking up to playing more balanced minutes.


5.) 27 Mar 2024 03:13:41
Reilly - Liljegren
Edmundson - McCabe
Benoit - Lyubushkin
Giordano - Brodie - Timmins.


6.) 28 Mar 2024 01:34:41
Why not Edmundson - Timmins, just to be different. I think liljigren gets traded this off season.


 

 

25 Mar 2024 15:48:41
To SJ
Robertson RFA
Liljegren RFA
2024 1st
2024 5th (SJ chooses)

To Toronto
Ferraro $3.25M/ 2yrs
***2024 1st (via Pittsburg)

***only applies if Pittsburgh is out of bottom 10, hopefully it is an 11th or 12 OverAll selection
Toronto drafts either Carter Yakemchuk or Zayne Parekh.

Is this enough?

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 25 Mar 2024 18:50:18
I don't see the value for SJ tbh.

They swap to a worse pick, give up Ferraro and receive Robertson and Lilly.

I'd say don't do the pick swap and it's a deal.


2.) 25 Mar 2024 19:21:57
@LL what do you think it takes to get that pick?
Leafs need to draft a potential top 4 RHD. There should still be a few good potential top 4 RHD at that spot.


3.) 25 Mar 2024 21:01:13
@Tags if I'm SJ I want a massive haul for that pick.

If I'm looking at it from their point of view, if the pick ends up in the top 10, it becomes unprotected next draft. I don't think Pitts gets much better (If at all) . They could end up with two picks in the top 5 without Guentzel, Malkin, Letang and Crosby aging another year. I don't think Pitts has goaltending Jarry is just hot.

Just my take though.


4.) 26 Mar 2024 01:58:47
Sorry LL, I guess I didn't explain myself correctly.
I'm saying if the pick ends up outside the top 10, what would it take from the Leafs to get it?
It gives us a chance at Yakemchuk or Parekh.


5.) 26 Mar 2024 11:16:03
I don’t think you get that pick regardless of what you send them they are gonna be patient and rebuild through the draft and then overpay some vets on shorter term deals much like Anaheim and Chicago.


 

 

21 Mar 2024 13:41:23
I've moved to the computer instead of my phone, so let's try this one last time lol

Leafs trade in summer

To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round pick (via TB)

Trade Kampf & Jarnkrok for more picks

Leafs re-sign
Bertuzzi $5M/ 5yrs
Domi $3M/ 4yrs
Dewar $1.15M/ 2yrs
Benoit $1.1M/ 2yrs
Liljegren $3.25M/ 3yrs
Jones $1.4M/ 2yrs

UFA targets
Roy $5.5M/ 6yrs
Dillon $3.5M/ 4yrs

New Lines (tweak Willy to 2C)

Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi $21.25M
McMann-Nylander-Marner $23.753M
Knies-Tavares-Cowan $12.860833
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves $3.3M
Tverberg $.851667

Rielly-Roy $13M
Dillon-Lily $6.75M
Benoit-McCabe $3.1M
Burrough $.55M

Woll $.766667M
Jones $1.4M

Projected Cap $87.7M
Leafs Cap $87.582167

Nylander at 2C will be the main issue to get through, but Marner & McMann makes this line defensively responsible.
Cowan may also be a stretch, but many player's his age and skill have transitioned into the NHL.

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 21 Mar 2024 14:32:50
Geez Tags, has Mackin been showing you how to post the same trade 3X in one day? lol

I don't mind going after Burroughs. He and Benoit would be a solid, physical 3rd pair. I think Leafs are giving up too much. He's a late bloomer 3rd pair guy. To me, something like Tverberg and a 5/ 6th round pick should do it, no retention. Timmins could stay as the 7th D or move him for a pick and get a cheaper 7th D.

Domi, Dewar, Benoit and Roy signings I am good with.
Need Bertuzzi to come in a little better on money.
No way would I want to see Liljegren signed for $3.25M per. People were complaining I wanted Peeke at $2.75M. Just for those that told me Peeke is trash. Small sample size, but 3 games in Boston, all wins. 1 pt, 5 hits, 8 blocks and a +3 averaging around 18 mins a night. Amazing what playing on a good team will do for your stats compared to playing on a crap team. Liljegren goes out along with Robertson imo.

I would look at targeting Trenin of course, and Walker to fill out the D. I'd rather Walker at $3.25M than Liljegren. Jones wouldn't be bad, but maybe a guy like Stolarz or Brossoit would be a bit of an upgrade. No desire to trade both Jarnkrok and Kampf, but if one has to go for cap space, I would likely move Jarnkrok if bringing back Bert and Domi and adding Trenin.

No way I want to see Willy at C. He's a winger.


2.) 21 Mar 2024 15:00:17
@RLF lol, yes I just finished the Mackin school of posting props 101.
Anyways, I would like to retain both Domi & Bertuzzi, but can't figure out any other logical ways to do it, especially along with upgrading our defensive which is an obvious need.
Maybe you can figure out something that makes sense.


3.) 21 Mar 2024 16:21:58
Tags. lol Making sense is subjective. We are all just spitballin here.

Let's say Roy signs for $5.5 as you say and Walker at $3.25M. That leaves the Leafs about 11.75M. Benoit at $1.1M and Boosh at 1.5 and leaves approx. $9.15M with the D pretty much set.

Rielly Roy
McCabe Walker
Benoit Boosh

Move Timmins for a pick. Up to 10.25M
Bert 5X$4.6M
Domi 3X$3M
Leaves $1.55M

Move Jarnkrok for prospect/ pick
Up to $3.65M
Sign Dewar 2X$1M
leaves $2.65M
Sign Stolarz 2X$1.5M
leaves $1.1M

Domi Matthews Marner
Bert JT Nylander
Knies Kampf McMann
Homlberg Dewar Reaves
(Rookie)

Rielly Roy
McCabe Walker
Benoit Boosh

Woll
Stolarz

Fits under the cap I think. Then when JT's deal is done, money opens up.


4.) 21 Mar 2024 18:11:32
No doubt, but it's fun spitballing.
I personally don't like Kampf as 3C, I know you're okay with it though. To me, he doesn't supply enough offense that's why I want him moved and that's why I go round and round in circles lol.
IMO we really need a 2C koving forward because I think JT would be much better served as a 3C next year.


5.) 21 Mar 2024 18:14:00
I thought his course would be called anyway the wind blows.


6.) 21 Mar 2024 19:43:01
Randy. No man, that's the PHD course, you have to learn the basics before you get to the "anyway the wind blows" full on ideology.


7.) 23 Mar 2024 11:36:01
Agreed on Nylander staying at RW.
Think there’s no need to continue that experiment.
We have learned his D is lacking; he has a hard enough time covering the slot and point let alone having him support the D at net front and corner.


 

 

21 Mar 2024 13:22:24
Let's try this again, fat fingers as Rsears always says lol.

Domi & Bert becoming permanent features for the Leafs and I belive we have the cap space to re-sign with some line juggling.

First trade in summer
To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round puck (via TB)

Teade Kampf & Jarnkrok for picks only

Sign
Bertuzzi $5M/ 5yrs
Domi $3M/ 4yrs
Dewar $1.15M/ 2yrs
Benoit $1.1M/ 2yrs
Liljegren $3.25M/ 3yrs

UFA targets
Roy $5.5M/ 6yrs
Dillon $3.5M/ 4yrs.

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1.) 22 Mar 2024 00:40:49
$5M for what Bertuzzi produces seems like a $1M dollar overpayment.
Also Bertuzzi is already 29 years old so 5 years is far too much term.
3 years should be the maximum.
Resigning Domi at $3 would be fine but like Bertuzzi, 3 years term would be max.

Resigning Liljegren will be interesting after Washington (for some reason) decided to give Rasmus Sandin $4.6M for 4 years.


 

 

21 Mar 2024 13:13:46
Looks like Domi & Bert are becoming permanent pieces on this team andni belive we can re-sign both woth a little line tweaking.

First trade in summer
To SJ
Robertson RFA
Timmins $1.1M/ 1yr RFA

To Toronto
Burroughs $.55M/ 2yrs (@50% retained)
2024 3rd round puck (via TB) nd.

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26 Mar 2024 11:19:36
I made a prop for SJ's 1st round pick via Pittsburgh.
If the pick falls outside the top 10 (possibly 11th or 12th), then it belongs to SJ.

What would it take from the Leafs to acquire that pick?
I think there would be a couple od really good RHD prospects still available at the point. Either Yakemchuk or Parekh.

Tags97

1.) 26 Mar 2024 14:11:15
If it turns out to be an 11th/ 12th pick, I would think you are looking at something like Cowan and a 1st. Not a move I think the Leafs should make. They have a chance at a couple big RHD's in the draft where they are already. Plus, how long does it take for a 11th/ 12th overall to become a really good NHLer? 3 years minimum. imo Can the Leafs wait that long?


2.) 26 Mar 2024 14:58:33
If that's what it takes then I say forget it. I didn't think it would take that much.
I guess we'll go for either Mews, Elick or Emery.


3.) 26 Mar 2024 16:24:33
Tags. I really think it matters how scouts now view Cowan. Do they think he is now a top 15 comparable pick? If so, then that changes things. If they see him as a 15-20 and the Leafs picking say 25th overall. Then to get to 11/ 12, I could see having to give up a 18th and 25th overall for instance to move up to 11/ 12. Now that also matters how the 11/ 12 spots are viewed this draft. If they are considered weak this year, then that also changes value. imo.


 

 

14 Mar 2024 14:30:59
What do you guys think of targeting a trade for Buchnevich in the summer?
I've read they have him playing 2C, eventhough he's been a winger most of his NHL career. He grew up playing center though, so knows the position.
Do you think he could be our 2C moving forward?

Tags97

1.) 14 Mar 2024 17:27:37
How are the blues doing this season btw he’s not a centre and most likely is too expensive.


2.) 14 Mar 2024 20:06:40
@Goat ya, I've never seen him playing center, but just found it interesting they were playing him as a 2C.
I wanted to know whether anyone has been watching St. Louis play this year and how Buchnevich looks as a 2C. If he looks good, then I think it could be something to explore.
He is still under contract for $5.8M next year and I believe his next contract would be around $7.5M. I think Leafs would have enough space to fit that in once JT's contract comes off the books.
Or else, I would like to look into Chandler Stephenson for our next 2C option.


3.) 14 Mar 2024 23:31:58
I can only give my opinion. He's not good as a centre. He's horrible on the draw and his down low coverage is not strong. He's best on the wing.


 

 

13 Mar 2024 12:47:42
I've gotten to the point where I can't wait to see Robertson traded in the summer.
Sick and tired of his whining . He hasn't solidified a spot on this team with his play. But yet he blames waiver exemption as the reason why he goes up and down like a yo-yo. Just get rid of the cancer.

Tags97

1.) 13 Mar 2024 13:42:38
Tags. You know I agree. His comments should have been something like;

"That's the business side of it, I'm just focused on improving my game and being ready whenever they call me up and ready whenever they put me in the lineup. I have to produce when I am in and make it really hard on them to even think of taking me out of the lineup. "

Just my opinion, but that is the kind of response that keeps you in the bigs. Robertson basically takes no responsibility for his lack of production as being part of the reason he was sent down. He had 1 goal in his last 14 games. ONE GOAL in 14! That came after 4 goals in 6 games. Inconsistent. He doesn't bring enough other elements to the game to make up for it if he doesn't score. He isn't a heavy forechecker. He doesn't PK. He isn't a set up man that makes everyone around him better. And he thinks he deserves a spot on the team and it isn't fair he got sent down. He has missed so much development time, the minors are where he should have been all year. imo.


2.) 13 Mar 2024 23:52:44
Agree with you both completely.

Well said RLF. He's been given every opportunity, and did nothing with it.

When this season started, many had him penciled in ad a mid six forward. Your man Bobby McManus sae an opportunity, and now he can't be taken out. Benoit is another guy. He was supposed to be a 7th D, now we all want him out there every game.


3.) 14 Mar 2024 02:11:40
LL. As you know, I had Robertson in the minors from day 1 and McMann on the team from day 1. Glad McMann came in at a reasonable extension. Good on him to except a fair deal and not try and hold the team hostage for a big payday.


4.) 14 Mar 2024 05:05:45
@RLF I do know.

I'm waiting for you to slip up so I can call you on it lol.

Getting to that point with tags as well.

Neither of you were around for the Barrie debacle. @MPH you still miss him? He'll be a pen soon.


5.) 14 Mar 2024 13:31:35
LL. Hahaha. Oh, I've slipped up. (Don't tell Rsears though lol) .

Was I not on here for the Kadri deal? I remember discussing it on here, but maybe I joined not much after the trade. I remember saying how I didn't mind the Leafs trading Kadri, but I didn't like who the return was. Barrie as the D in return, I wasn't happy with. To top it off, Dubas signs Kerfoot to $3.5M without him playing a game for the Leafs to see if he can handle the 3C role. I know Kerfoot was an RFA and needed a contract, but he was coming off a contract that he was making $1.13M prior and his qualifying offer needed was only $875K. Not many bring up Kerfoot's signing as another Dubas blunder.

Anyhow. Tree prioritized McMann and got him locked up. Let's hope he moves Lily and Robertson in the off-season.


 

 

03 Mar 2024 05:06:35
I guess Dubas had a good off season, lol.

Tags97

1.) 03 Mar 2024 14:53:04
The best part abut Dubas off-season, was that he was ruining a different team this time.


2.) 03 Mar 2024 20:45:13
Makes me happy seeing the garbage he put together.

Let him ruin another team, as RLF said.


3.) 04 Mar 2024 01:07:21
So glad Dubas is not here anymore
He wants prospects for Guentzel
Of course he does
He can’t wait for first round picks to develop
He told Sid they would win now.


 

 

02 Mar 2024 21:25:46
Robertson send down to make room under the cap for Jarnkrok. Definitely the right move IMO.
Hopefully we can include I'm in a trade package for a top 4RD.

Tags97

1.) 03 Mar 2024 13:00:34
Might have to put Mackin in that deal. I imagine he follows wherever Robo goes.
#Mackinson.


2.) 03 Mar 2024 14:41:18
Lol true, they are joined at the hip, but I'd hate to see Mackin go, he brings some comic relief to the site.


3.) 03 Mar 2024 14:55:01
Yes, the weathermackin would be missed. Maybe he just needs to go down to the Marlies site for a few and get his game back in order like Robertson:)


 

 

 

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26 Mar 2024 01:58:47
Sorry LL, I guess I didn't explain myself correctly.
I'm saying if the pick ends up outside the top 10, what would it take from the Leafs to get it?
It gives us a chance at Yakemchuk or Parekh.

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25 Mar 2024 20:05:22
Agreed RLF.
I just think the first 2 pairs should be set as I've stated above and the 3rd pair will be some combination between Benoit, Lyubushkin & Brodie. With a very, very outside shot from Timmins.
Let's see how they play out rest of season.

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25 Mar 2024 19:21:57
@LL what do you think it takes to get that pick?
Leafs need to draft a potential top 4 RHD. There should still be a few good potential top 4 RHD at that spot.

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21 Mar 2024 19:29:35
You left out Bertuzzi. And there is no chance Keefe will have Robertson in the playoff line up.

I think Keefe does:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Domi-Jarnkrok
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves/ Holmberg
Robertson & Gregor extras

Rielly-Boosh
Brodie-McCabe
Edmundson Liljegren
Benoit & Timmins extras.

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21 Mar 2024 18:11:32
No doubt, but it's fun spitballing.
I personally don't like Kampf as 3C, I know you're okay with it though. To me, he doesn't supply enough offense that's why I want him moved and that's why I go round and round in circles lol.
IMO we really need a 2C koving forward because I think JT would be much better served as a 3C next year.

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26 Mar 2024 21:27:00
@RLF that's an interesting observation, I didn't even think if that.
Definitely hope that isn't the case, but he is emotionally fragile.
That is one of the reasons I really like Woll. Guy seems cool as a cucumber, doesn't seem like anything phases him. Plus, I love the style he plays, super quieting goal. Very calming watching him.

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26 Mar 2024 14:58:33
If that's what it takes then I say forget it. I didn't think it would take that much.
I guess we'll go for either Mews, Elick or Emery.

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20 Mar 2024 23:34:46
Who's know Clarky, you may be right. But I seriously doubt Keefe sits Brodie to play Benoit or Timmins. He kept Lily out of the playoff lineup with no playoff experience.
Agreed on Brodie probably retiring after this season. I wrote the same thing a few hours ago on the rumours side.

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20 Mar 2024 15:52:36
Boys, I still think Brodie needs to play ahead of Benoit and/ or Liljegren. He's got the playoff experience and it will be needed.
I agree in sitting Brodie off and on till the end of the season, he definitely needs to rest his body and refresh his head as well.
But come playoffs time, make no mistake about it, Brodie is
starting. All be it, on his strong side. No more playing his weak
side, that's a given at this point in his career.

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20 Mar 2024 14:14:33
@Goat as a 3rd line C, I agree with you. But IMO, I think Chandler is a 2C.
We'll see what happens in the summer.

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