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21 Nov 2020 17:57:40
So we all know that the core four needs a shakeup. a lot of you want to trade Marner and some Nylander.
Both contracts are high but manageable according to Dubas.
Both players have positives and negatives. Nylander is terrible defensively and does not kill penalties or forecheck well. (Except with his stick)🤣🤣.
Matthews or Tavares does not like playing with Nylander but both want to play with Marner. Marner does kill penalties, blocks shots, first power play, and forechecks.
Yes Marner makes 3 million more per year, but he produces consistently, where Nylander has only contributed when he wants to play.
Therefore these are the two trades that Dubas should consider before the next season. When ever that is!
Toronto trades; A. Kerfoot, J. Dusack
To
Minnesota for Calen Addison and 3rd in 2021
Also,
Toronto trades Nylander, Engvall and F.Kral
To
Calgary for Elis Lindholm and Jett Woo
These trades would allow N.Robertson to make the team this year.
Woo and Addison to marlies and re-coup $7 million in cap space.
(Kerfoot $3.5, difference with Calgary trade $3.5 million approx.)
Great defensive prospects in marlies with Sandin, Lilyigren, Hollowell, Woo, Addison, Hoffenmayer
Leafs could also sign UFA Madison Bowey **
My suggestion of lines
Hyman Matthews Lindholm
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Robertson Thornton Barbanov
Vessy Spezza Simmons
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Bowey or Holl
Lethonen Bogosian
1.) 21 Nov 2020 19:20:29
Jett Woo is a Vancouver prospect who played for the Calgary hitmen
I think the Minnesota deal is great and dealing with Calgary isn’t needed as leafs just gained 3.5-whomever replaces kerfoot roster spot in cap space.
Minny might actually pull the trigger on this deal as well
Bowey also isn’t needed all that much
Also nylander for Lindholm deal kinda counters the whole Nick Robertson making the team theory. Kerfoot leaving is all that is needed to get Robertson 3rd line time.
In closing kerfoot is only deal worth discussing.
2.) 24 Nov 2020 15:50:49
Of the Top 4 salaries in Toronto Nylander seems like the most tradeable because its the lowest and he lacks a NTC.
The time to trade him would have been before they signed him, when teams like Carolina were offering BIG packages to get him.
He gets his points, but the book is out on Nylander. Combined with the current economic uncertainties, Nylander is a difficult trade to make. Any big salary will be tough to move.
14 Nov 2020 01:40:15
Trade proposal
Toronto trades Nylander and Holl
To
Nashville for
Luke Kunin, Egor Afarasyev, 1st in 2021
Toronto trades
Kerfoot
To
Dallas for
Stephen Johns Rd
Lines
Robertson Matthews Kunin
Hyman Tavares Marner
Mikheyev Thornton Barbanov
Vessy Spezza Simmons
**J. Anderson, Travis Boyd
Reilly Brodie
Muzzin Johns
Lethonen Bogosian
**Sandin Dermont
Cap Hell fixed with Good Balance!
Speed, Size and Scoring from all four lines!
1.) 14 Nov 2020 15:17:44
I don’t think either of these moves helps us. The team looks weaker. But I do love the size of all these guys.
I know you check this site often, so I know that you know that I absolutely am of the bigger is better mind set. Lol. How could I not love the idea of swapping out Nylander for someone like Kunin and Afanaseyev? Even Kunin is a big dude. 6’00 and 200 lbs of solid muscle is a guy that has entered into beefcake territory.
I actually don’t think the Leafs have a “small” team. Most of the guys are over 6’00 and 200 lbs. Which does say something about the size that it takes to be an NHL player. When the vast majority of the players in the league are the size of an amateur bodybuilder, you have entered a whole new world of compete.
This is another area where I disagree with Dubas and his philosophy obviously. This whole strategy of drafting smaller skilled guys because he thinks they are undervalued is faulty in its premise. Instead of picking up two nickels, he keeps looking for a dime. He is trying to hit big every year at the draft and backfill the bottom six with players the other teams don’t want. He’s dumpster diving in order to keep the team fed while skipping the buffet looking for the lobster.
It reminds me of a fisherman looking for the big catch. He figures one big fish is equal to two little fish. So he throws back the little fish and keeps looking for the big one. Every now and then he catches a good sized fish. But mainly gets nothing. The result is that he is slowly starving himself to death while staring at food the whole time.
I think I used enough analogies here to give the idea.
2.) 14 Nov 2020 20:24:26
So, everyone likes to point out "size" as an issue.
I actually find this argument quite odd. The team doesn't have as many "small" players as one may assume listening to the media and fans perceptions. Tie Domi wasn't exactly a behemoth was he? Same for Darcy Tucker. Wendel Clark. What difference does size actually make?
I get very tired of this point. Mathews is a big man. Goat is a big man. Tavares isn't a "small" guy. I could go on and on. Just because you add "size" doesn't mean a whole helluva lot. It's up their with the "grit" argument. If you were to believe the hockey purists then Clifford would have made this team contenders. He would have made far more if an impact than Willy does. This just isn't the accurate, objective truth.
Nick Robertson is not a big guy. He came into that series and Everytime he hopped over the boards he was like a hat out of hell. That's why we all like him so much. Has nothing to do with "size" and "grit". I am actually Beginning to believe people are confusing "size" with effort which just isn't accurate. We all really just want the team to be "harder to play against". That doesn't mean bring Colton Orr and Tiger Williams out of retirement it means light a fire under the ass of every single player every single time they hit the ice.
These trade make the team bigger but worse overall. It just isn't worth it.
If you want size and toughness trade for Lucic. He's a grinder and I'm sure they will give him away. He how that works out for you. Go sign Phaneuf. He's a big guy that hits. Why not make him our top defenceman again? We suffered through Burke as GM attempting to build the 76' Flyers and it was an absolute failure in many, many ways.
I want everyone to think about the top players of the last 10 years. Ovechkin is an ass kicker. He's tough as nails but also scores 50 goals. Crosby works hard and motivates his team even if he isn't the "toughest, grittiest" guy around.
Stop thinking toughness as in Kyle Clifford and start thinking more Can Neely. Guys that work hard, score, hit, fight, players who understand every aspect of the game not just how to stand around at 6'6 250 like a pylon and fight someone once in awhile.
Whole thing wasn't completely directed at you just got me thinking about size.
3.) 14 Nov 2020 22:28:03
Whew. Good read LL. That was awesome.
I guess when we talk about “size”, only one muscle really matters - the heart.
I think everyone secretly roots for the underdog. The Rudy’s and the Fluties. The guys that just overcome all obstacles and will themselves on to success. I know I do. When you see a player like Gerbe and Ennis, they have to be respected. There’s always room on a team for one or two of those guys.
Do I think a championship team can be assembled entirely of players like that? Of course not.
In order to be a true champion at any sport, a trifecta is needed: skill, will, and your natural god given physical abilities. You need all three attributes to succeed. Many of the Leafs seem to have two out of three of these attributes. They have the skill and the size, but seem to lack the will to push on to the next level.
And unfortunately for a lot of the guys that boast the first two and lack in the latter, the elite athletes that dominate the sports of today have all three in abundance. Genetics are just as important, if not more so, than the other two.
The game is rigged, as are all games of athletics, to take advantage of the physical attributes that make up an ideal athlete. Size does matter. So long as the player knows how to to leverage his size to his advantage, he will be more successful than an equally skilled and willed player. I
Is it fair? No. But no one ever said life was fair, let lone professional sports.
4.) 15 Nov 2020 04:15:12
I can agree with most of that HL but I will add that not all physical prowess comes in the form of size. In fact most players now are not huge. They are bigger than your average man on general society but not NFL big. Not many 6'8 350lbs lineman skating around.
The one thing I think that no one can disagree with is the three aspects of winning. Hedman is probably the best example of that to me. He just wasn't willing to quit in these playoffs. I see that same attitude developing in Mathews and Reilly but have yet to see it in either Marner or Willy.
5.) 15 Nov 2020 13:17:59
Kunin is 1 pound more than nylander and his offensive upside is 3 tiers below nylander
Beefcake?
First deal sucks and big time
Johns now that’s a beefcake but an often injured one at that but I still have wanted him fir a long time now. Don’t think leafs need him that much now with bognosian basically able to do same as johns would. The extra million in cap space would help but not at expense of kerfoot
If Dallas adds a pick or prospect than I’d be more intirigued.
6.) 15 Nov 2020 13:21:35
Awesome points leafslife agree
It’s the size of the heart and not size of the skate that makes a player tough.
7.) 15 Nov 2020 19:47:13
Exactly what I was thinking craiggers. Need more heart from the entire team not just Bogosian sized guys.
8.) 15 Nov 2020 20:01:41
Grit and toughness come from "heart", drive and desire. Grit and toughness are typically essential to success as they are hand in hand with the other attributes 90% of the time.
I would also argue that in the Clb series, Clifford was more effective than Nylander. That 4th line was our second best line all series. Clifford played with drive and Nylander did not. All his skill couldn't overcome his lack of drive.
I wish we had of played the Clifford line more.
9.) 15 Nov 2020 21:37:58
I didn’t say the trade was good. Lol. In fact, the first thing I said was that neither trade helps the Leafs.
And yes, I consider anyone around 6’00” and 200 lbs as a beefcake.
6’01” and 185 lbs is the size that is required to be a top model. The guys that get paid to stand around in underwear while a pretty blonde girl with fake boobs suck on their earlobe and some guy with a camera takes pictures.
Anyone 5’08” - 6’02” with a body weight between 180 lbs - 220 lbs is in beefcake territory.
Anyone bigger than that is getting into the “I’m going to break your legs for money size”.
Anyone below that probably suffers from some form of “little guy” status. Either they are insecure about their height. Or they are insecure about their weight. Depending on what they do about it, they are either of no consequence, or they turn into a pit bull. If they are the latter of the two, you want them on your side.
Tortorella wouldn’t have Gerbe on the team if he didn’t trust him to do the job. He’s tenacious and won’t ever give up. If he ended up a Leaf I would probably have little to say.
Unless it was Dubas that acquired him.
Then I would be outraged.
10.) 16 Nov 2020 00:18:09
I was just letting everyone know that nylander and kunin
Are in fact same height and 1 pound difference between the 2.
I totally got that hockeyluvr didn’t think this trade helps the leafs
Conclusion trade kerfoot with prospect for kunin as prospect makes up cap and age difference.
02 Nov 2020 11:20:53
Blockbuster trade
Toronto trades Nylander, Holl, Engvall and Malgin
To
New Jersey for 1st 2021, Nathan Bastian, PK Subban (50% retained $4.5 million for next two years)
1.) 02 Nov 2020 12:22:05
The thought of Jersey’s 1st makes this an interesting proposal. All depends on how you feel Jersey is going to do next year.
I actually thought NJ was going to be a better team last year. Obviously the GM did too, because he made moves that were more in line with a contending team last offseason than a rebuilding team. The new GM is not going to be thinking the same way though is my guess.
I don’t think this deal strengthens us at all. You have the right idea. But the wrong target.
2.) 02 Nov 2020 13:04:26
Because leafs are handing jersey 10-11 million in cap for at least 2 years I don’t see them taking on half of Subbans salary
It’s a good thought though.
3.) 02 Nov 2020 13:09:21
I think value favours us. Although I am not thinking Subban is the guy we want or need. He has too many other interests other than hockey. We need focused players. imo.
4.) 05 Nov 2020 18:44:21
I like this trade subban makes this possible otherwise no but this is fair in my opinion good job.
28 Oct 2020 15:11:49
Yes it is not a hidden factor that Nylander needs to go. He is not physical, refuses to forecheck or go to the corners.
He is a centerman on any other team and well as Sweden National teams. He is a better playmaker than a winger as he tends to want to play in the center of the ice.
Toronto should look at moving him to third line center between Vessy and Barbanov as Vessy is build like a power forward and Barbanov is not afraid to go in the corners.
I know 7 million is expensive for a third line center but he is useless on the wing as all he does is cherrypick and doesn't play well in his own end.
Have you ever seen him block a shot, no, and can't kill penalties!
So either he plays third line center or trade him.
Trade opinions;
Toronto trades Nylander to Winnipeg for Roslovic and 3rd 2021
Or
Toronto trades Nylander to New Jersey devils for Miles Wood and Nathan Bastian
Leafs have lots of options to replace the 30 goals he reached last season thanks to MATTHEWS!
Lines with Nylander
Mikheyev Matthews Simmons
Hyman Tavares Marner
Vessy Nylander Barbanov
Kerfoot Thornton Speeza
Lines Without Nylander
Hyman Matthews Woods
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Vessy Kerfoot Barbanov
Speeza Thornton Simmons
SEE WE DON'T NEED NYLANDER, JUST DUBAS IS IN LOVE WITH HIM OR HIS HAIR!
1.) 28 Oct 2020 15:56:24
Woods is a 3rd line winger
Who knows what roslovic is yet and he didn’t even make your without lineup so why deal for him
Nylander as 3rd line C may happen once in a while
The more scoring threats a team has the more that scorer stays a threat take them away and his threatness goes lower and lower
Easier to defend 1 or 2 not 4 plus.
2.) 28 Oct 2020 18:15:54
It is a hidden factor. People can hate on him all they want but it's completely unjustified. He skates in circles around the perimeter? Well so does Marner. But unlike Marner, who scores the most "In tight" goals.? *Hint hint* it isn't Mathews.
3.) 28 Oct 2020 20:43:00
Should have kept Kapanen I guess. He and Johnson both had 40 goals beside Mathews like Nylander was on pace for. Any bum can do that!
23 Oct 2020 00:28:09
Toronto should trade,
Nylander and Dermont
To
Detroit for anthony Mantha and 3rd 2021
Then sign Mantha to a 4yr x 4.5 million contract
Then sign UFA Madison Bowey 2yrs x 2 million (good young rhd man with size)
Cap space solved as Dermont wants 2.5-3 million a yr.
1.) 23 Oct 2020 04:57:35
Rather just keep Nylander and Dermy.
2.) 23 Oct 2020 10:21:49
Love Mantha’s size. Not too keen on his injury status from last year. I would take a wait and see approach before trading for him. He might fall under the damaged goods category now.
3.) 23 Oct 2020 10:30:09
Mantha is also in contract negotiations with Detroit and talks are not going well. Not sure what the issue, money obviously, but how much and for how long? So we don’t even know how much cap this move would make.
Is Mantha really so much better than Nylander that Dermott has to be thrown in? Is he even better at all?
I would like a guy like Mantha on the team. Would be nice to see him get back to hitting a little more though. But at least he put hits Nylander. Though that isn’t hard to do. After all, Nylander or registered 9 hits last year, and I assume some of those were accidents where he made contact by mistake.
4.) 23 Oct 2020 12:36:24
Cap is solved
Since league is condensed Bettman is allowing
15 F
8 D
3 G
Every game must have 22 minimum on roster that is under cap. The extra players don’t get dropped to minors but don’t count against cap. They simply become reserve players due to C.V.. Also, if player gets symptoms he must get tested thus get dropped to reserve until test results are negative.
Toronto simply puts Andersen on reserve roster the games he doesn’t start and leafs stay under cap
Any big money guy gets flu gets put on reserve and money gets saved.
Cant expect teams to manage roster normal during condensed schedule. This is why you don’t see many teams freakin out right now. Vegas forgot to read the memo
Dermott getting 2.5 will be over 4 years. No biggy no need to panic just sign him deal with C.V. rules then next year Mikheyev and Dermott get exposed. Easy.
5.) 23 Oct 2020 13:32:32
Figured they would go with expanded roster. Even if the AHL plays, it would be hard to have teams call players up and send players down as it doubles risk and exposure. I see Dermott getting 1-2 years between 1-1.5.
6.) 23 Oct 2020 14:07:59
Haven’t read or heard much Dermott stuff like we did Mikheyev. Even if league doesn’t do reserve Rosters I think teams will need to carry 3 goalies. Either way doesn’t seem leafs are not panicking so something must be in works with league.
Vancouver Laughs if this happens or is it schmidt.
7.) 23 Oct 2020 14:49:57
I didn’t see anything about Bettman allowing expanded rosters for the regular season Craigger. I did a quick search and nothing popped up. I know it’s been rumoured, but so far as I can tell, nothing is official.
If this is true, then I think a lot of teams, not just Vegas, will be upset about this not being announced earlier. This should have been finalized before the free agency period. It would have made a significant difference in the way teams approached their off-season this year, including the Leafs I imagine.
8.) 23 Oct 2020 15:41:44
Another trade for Nylander. I guess because he is a $7 mil perimeter player who is so soft Leaf posters really want to see him go.
9.) 23 Oct 2020 15:52:59
I see your second response now Craigger. So it isn’t confirmed yet.
I thought I missed something big.
10.) 23 Oct 2020 18:05:03
Wish we had Laine to show us a player with 100+ hits that kills penalties. Wonder why Jets would ever trade a 50 goal scorer that does it all.
11.) 23 Oct 2020 18:25:28
League allowing this type of roster was my solving of the cap. Instead of trading players this was my way of solving 10 teams issues
LOL
I tried to think outside box.
12.) 23 Oct 2020 19:48:10
LOL. You got me. I totally thought it was real as I actually expect something like that to happen in regards to rosters.
13.) 23 Oct 2020 21:15:44
Due to trolls basing value of players based on cap hit guess
Dermott for anyone over 5 million is a steal for every team
Dermott best trade value nhl
Eat that trolls.
21 Nov 2020 18:00:55
Get trade like both!
07 Aug 2020 22:39:43
Finally somebody who watches the same games that I see and knows what he is talking about.
07 Aug 2020 20:40:55
You shouldn't post a comment if you really don't know what you are talking about. Your posts are always about cirtizing everyone esle who posts a comment because you either did not think of the trade or idea or or just because you have nothing but trash to add.
I think you should post a trade or thought that would cause others to say, yeah I could see that happening instead of just shooting down everyone else. Enjoy the game tonight!
29 Jul 2020 15:18:24
Yes it was just one game, so I guess that you all did not watch all the regular season games this year and last. Nylander is overpaid and overrated and rides the coattails of Matthews and Tavares. So yes we have younger and cheaper players that can be in the lineup than him. So I guess you all missed Robertson out there fighting in the corners and mixing it up every shift. So yes Robertson is trying to get a job on the leafs and should Nylander as he thinks he only has to try when he wants to.
Again trade the bum!
16 Jul 2020 03:28:17
Craigger if you could add it involved both trades. Sorry if you could not read the whole trade. Next time I will attach a calculator app.
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