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24 Mar 2023 14:39:45
Well since Keefe doesn't know what he wants for playoffs yet.
Jarnkrok matthews acciari
Nylander Tavares marner
Bunting o Reilly Lafferty
Kerfoot kampf AR
Reilly brodie
McCabe lily
Gio schenn
Holl gustavson
25 Mar 2023 03:27:03
I'd throw Holl in over Lilly right now and going forward unless something changes. Lilly has looked lost out there recently.
19 Mar 2023 14:23:36
Going all in with one more shot at a cup with core 4 & Reilly, if they cant get it done this year.
Murray bought out
Kerfoot, Simmonds, Aston-Reese leave in free agency
Sign Reilly, Samsonov & Acciari our own UFA's
Then sign Pavelski, Pacioretty & Jordan Staal
O'Reilly Matthews Marner
Jarncrock Tavares Nylander
Pacioretty Pavelski Lafferty
Knies Staal Acciari
Depth : Robertson, Steeves, Holmberg, McMann, Abruzzese
Reilly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins
Samsonov Woll
Pacioretty ( of course all dependent on his health ) & Pavelski both highly motivated wanting to win a Cup & former Captains as well. Staal has the one cup with Penguins in 2009, also a former captain if he leaves the Hurricane.
Free agent signings proposed bring a good mix of size, toughness, skill & leadership.
Pavelski has proved durable & productive, & with a healthy Pacioretty that would be a dominant 3rd line. Speed of Lafferty gives his linemates more offensive opportunities, by creating turnovers on the forecheck.
The Staal 4th line designed to crash & bang, shut it down while adding a little offense on occassion.
* Leafs win 1st cup since 1967
20 Mar 2023 00:48:16
Great idea!
Leafs will become the oldest team in the league with those signings!
20 Mar 2023 12:10:05
Ok. So even using Muzzin's LTIR after buying out Murray, the Leafs have about $13M in cap space. They are going to sign O'Reilly, Samsonov, Acciari, Pavelski, Pacioretty, Staal and add Knies and Woll with their contracts?
Can you break down the signings Kennedy?
20 Mar 2023 17:54:16
Typo. "$17M in cap space. "
21 Mar 2023 15:13:58
Pretty sure I read somewhere that pavelski won’t play in Canada. He’s one of the American players that has Canada on his no trade clause. Same as Ryan suter.
21 Mar 2023 22:31:16
laughable.
24 Mar 2023 12:39:03
Apparently Kennedy cannot break down his signings. lol.
17 Mar 2023 12:17:17
Bunting. Sign or not? I think most of us would like him back, but at what cost? Personally, I would be out at anything over around $2.75M. He's worth more on the open market, but I believe Leafs have a cheap replacement type in the system.
I mentioned Booby McMann before pre-season as my dark horse to make the team. I think he could be a Bunting replacement and is signed next season for $.763M. Left shot, scoring ability, plays a physical game and a good size at 6'2" 205lbs. Also not a kid. He's 26. Since they sent him back down. 2 hat tricks and 2 2 goal games.
Undrafted overachiever. Not like a Jeannot style player as he isn't a fighter, more like Bunting without the theatrics. So less drama, but also means on the negative, he won't get under the other teams skin as much.
Here's my thinking. I heard some panelist mention what O'Reilly might get on the open market and it was $7-$9M per. I admit I laughed. I am thinking more around $4-$5M per, about the same as Bunting culd get. What if the Leafs can get O'Reilly back at $3-$4M per and promote McMann. That is probably about the same cost as Bunting on the open market. I'd take those two over Bunting if the cost was about the same.
Saying this happened, the Leafs would have,(barring any off-season trades), Matthews, Marner, JT, Willy, O'Reilly, Jarnkrok, Lafferty and McMann signed for next season up front with about $4.6M cap left. Plus likely Muzzin's $5.6 LTIR and have 6 D already signed for next season(Rielly, Brodie, McCabe, Liljegren, Gio, Timmins).
Buyout Murray, and they save an extra $4M next season(only $2.6M the season after, but cap expected to go up $4M). They would have about $14M to fill out the team. Needed still - 5 bottom 6 forwards($7M?). 2 goalies($6M?) and an extra D($.850M?).
Tight, but doable. Better than giving Bunting $4-$5M imo.
Of course if Muzzin comes back, a big trade will be necessary as they will need to move cap.
17 Mar 2023 13:51:33
@RLF 100% agree on your assessment on Bunting. Hopefully we can sign him for cheap.
I like McMann as well, but not sure if he could play top 6. I would love Leafs to call him up for remainder of season and ddition hom in the top 6, really wwouldnt hirt at this point unless Leafs really want that home ice advantage.
ROR signing at a reasonable cap hit would be amazing. I think his pedigree, leadership and championship is great for this core.
Hopefully some Marlies make the team next year and help with the salary situation, Knies, Robertson, McMann and who knows, maybe Kral as the 7th might take that step as well.
I think Murray's buyout is $2M the following year as Ottawa would eat the $600K.
17 Mar 2023 13:53:02
Oh and Holmberg.
17 Mar 2023 14:34:38
Tagz. Hopefully Holmberg can add another cheap bottom 6er.
Yes, $2M is second year of buyout meaning Leafs are only saving $2.6M against the cap instead of the $4M the first year. That is what I meant by the $2.6M. Could have explained it better I guess.
17 Mar 2023 15:49:20
No worries. My reading comprehension is not always there, I tend to skim through more than I should. Your explanation made perfect sense lol.
17 Mar 2023 20:55:08
I agree with the assesment of bunting. Someone will offer him Hyman type money as he's essentially filling the same role, but younger. I wouldn't pay him that much.
I'd worry about McMann as some players just never find the ability to become full time NHL players.
ROR shouldn't even get 4M imo. He's getting up there in age, he's had some injury issues and he's having a terrible season. I'd pass on ROR for more than 3.5.
18 Mar 2023 00:07:29
I Agree with the Bunting amount. should definately not be over 3Mil. but if Dubas sticks around he'll probly get north of 3.5 Mil.
18 Mar 2023 14:39:11
@LL. I hear you on McMann. Just my opinion, but I see him as an NHLer right now. I think at worst, he will be a third liner. Could be more if given a real opportunity.
18 Mar 2023 21:57:27
@RLF he could be, but certain types of players don't fit with Dubas/ Keefe and never will. Marchment, Engvall and Sandin have all taken off after being traded to varying degrees.
I don't see Mcmann being anything as long as he's a Leaf especially.
20 Mar 2023 00:57:33
O’Reilly is 32 years of age.
The chances of any team in the leagues signing him for $7 - $9 million are slim and none.
If Leafs can resign him for 2 to a maximum of 3 years for no more than $4 great.
If not, let him walk.
Bunting is a 20 goal, 50 - 60 point player and will receive $4 from someone.
Can the Leafs afford that?
Matt Murray has to go so Leafs can use his cap hit to resign Samsonov, a far better goaltender.
Trading for Murray was another Mrazek moment for Dubas and it is now either a buyout or a draft day trade with Leafs sending their 1st round pick to someone for a 2nd or 3rd.
16 Mar 2023 10:34:04
Tor: nylander
Nyr: lafrenier Schneider
Nylander just seems like a good fit for the rangers who are a heavily built around European players tarasanko and Kane come off their books so lots of cap space to
Make it work as for the players coming back lafrenier hasn't lived up his hype coming out of junior which is fine he has all the tools to be a good player put him with Matthews marner and watch him work as for Schneider I thought at the time the leafs should have drafted him he's big and physical and is a right shot it's a good futures pickup
16 Mar 2023 10:47:58
I would rather Schneider and Cuylle. Not sure Schneider would even be available though.
16 Mar 2023 10:48:21
Good prop though.
16 Mar 2023 13:33:21
I still have nightmares of that draft where we did not get Schneider. so i am on board with any trade that corrects that mistake.
16 Mar 2023 15:30:20
@Loxley passing on Schneider is only an issue because of Amirov's health (who could of predicted Cancer? )
If Amirov was healthy, he may have solved one of our LW problems. I have no bad feelings about the draft choice.
16 Mar 2023 19:42:20
I have to agree with Tags here. Amirov could have been the next Ovie or a career AHL player and anything in between. I can't judge that pick at all, because it was so unpredictable for him to be diagnosed with cancer.
16 Mar 2023 20:49:18
Schneider was higher ranked than Amirov. Dubas went off the board when picking Amirov because he preferred skill and speed at the time. Dubas has since admitted that he didn't put as much value as he should have on things like depth, experience and physicality. I remember being shocked and ticked when Dubas passed on Schneider as the Leafs had nothing like him in the system.
Ironically, as much as Babcock could be a jerk, this is all the things he complained about that the teams built for him didn't have. So Babcock can't get a job and Dubas still has one while basically admitting Babcock was right. lol.
16 Mar 2023 21:13:29
@RLF I have been thinking that recently as well lol.
Babs did some things he probably shouldn't have, but he was right about everything. Needing to play a 200ft game, not giving up on plays, playing a more physical style, having better depth, etc.
16 Mar 2023 21:43:52
@RLF yes, agreed Dubas just drafted for skill and speed not worrying about size. He definitely was wrong and is trying to correct and learn from his mistakes by drafting Knies and Minten (a little late, definitely agreed) .
I never was high on Schneider (and still am not) and I don't believe he was ranked higher than 18th/ 19th so I didn't mind Dubas going off the board a little. My friend was really pushing for Dawson Mercer who in hind sight would have been the best pick.
As per Babcock, yes he may have been right about getting different type players but as you said, he's a big jerk to put it mildly.
16 Mar 2023 23:15:43
When did being a jerk as a coach become such an issue? Obviously the Keenan type racism and physical abuse isn't ok, but coaches haven't been nice guy's forever. Bill Belichick could be the greatest coach, of all sports, ever. He's not a nice guy at all.
Even in hockey terms, Scottie Bowman was hated by a lot of his guys.
17 Mar 2023 00:35:48
I had Dawson Mercer, Braden Schneider and Kaiden Guhle all rated ahead of Amirov in the 2020 draft.
Amirov was another 165lbs skilled winger which Leafs had a surplus of.
Didn’t like Dubas’ selection at all.
That said, trading Nylander would leave a huge hole on Right Wing with no one in Leafs prospect pool to fill it.
An interesting but risky move as Leafs become a one line team with Tavares centering Lafreniere and Jarnkrok for a 2nd line!
17 Mar 2023 01:54:21
Tagz. At the time, Schneider was ranked as high as 12. When 15 came up and he hadn't been taken, it was thought a given Dubas would take him, especially because he was exactly what the team lacked. But instead, he went small and skilled again. Unfortunately as much as Dubas has learned, he was also very stubborn to insist he knew a better way to win. He was wrong and wasted years of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares.
17 Mar 2023 13:41:54
RLF still don't thinking passing on Schneider was a big deal. Defense hasn't been our problem over the years, it's been lack of scoring.
Leafs have gone 0,1,1&1 goals for over the last 4 playoff series: game 5 & game 7's. That's really our issue and not defense.
Yes, getting some more physical players will help. But not just physicality, we need hard to play against (forechecking hard, finishing plays, energy type players) . players like Acciari and hopefully Lafferty (I'm still on the fence on him) bring those elements.
We need players with winning pedigree and attitude which is what ROR brings to the table.
Hopefully these acquisitions are what brings us over the top. I just would have liked another scoring bottom 6 player to round out everything.
Dubas has finally shown some gumption this time around. Hopefully its enough and not too late.
17 Mar 2023 14:40:15
Tagz. Although I agree on the last half of this and let's say Amirov never got sick. Would he have really helped the Leafs bottom 6 with the attributes you described? I honestly don't see it. The debate is Schneider or Amirov and not really what Dubas needed to add to the bottom 6 that he seems to have finally figured out.
Even if Amirov stayed healthy and I don't mind the player, I didn't see top 6 potential and I see top 4 potential in Schneider. Just my opinion of course.
17 Mar 2023 15:47:01
RLF Amirov probably doesn't bring the physicality agreed. I would like to think he'd bring the energy and forechecking attributes, plus some goal scoring. Other bottom 6ers could bring the physicality.
Schneider may potentially morph into a top 4, who knows, but still wouldn't have happened during the run.
20 Mar 2023 22:00:56
@Tagz and LL. My having nightmares over that draft has nothing to do with Amirov getting sick. was big on Schenider before and at the time all the talk was how the Leafs needed and couldn't find a right shooting RD. he was big and felt we lacked the depth on the blue line with the Marlies. as RLF has pointed out he was ranked higher and many were surprised Dubas did not pick him. He chose as usual a smaller skilled player which i felt we did not need at the time as much as we needed a high end defenseman.
20 Mar 2023 22:45:00
@Loxley although I probably would have taken Schneider as well, most D do not develop for 4-5 years anyway.
I don't think you draft beaded on needs, you draft the best player available.
I'm not a scout so I don't know what upside the scouting staff saw in Amirov, I just have a hard time saying he made a poor choice because we'll never actually know.
21 Mar 2023 03:23:12
@LL that's fine. i agree D can take a little longer, just wanted to clarify that my opinion of Schneider is not because we now know about Amirov's health issues. I wanted him long before Amirov was diagnosed with the brain tumor. and that this is not a case of hindsight is 20/ 20.I feel for the kid but my wanting Schneider over him has nothing to do with his health. just my opinion based on what alot of the media experts were saying about Schneider and not knowing anything about Amirov.
21 Mar 2023 10:25:21
That's the thing, Schneider was the best player available and fit the Leafs needs. In most scouting agencies, Amirov was a late 1st projection. Schneider was in a group that any 4 of these players could go 12-15. He was the last of the 4 when 15 came to the Leafs. Dubas went quite a bit off the board with Amirov who projected as a 3rd line, defensively responsible energy type with some offensive ability. Schneider was a top 4 projected RD with size, physicality and can skate.
Yes, we will never know now because of Amirov's health, which is so sad for the kid. We all wish him the best, I am sure. That said, if Dubas had taken the BPA, this discussion wouldn't be happening.
21 Mar 2023 18:20:52
@RLF. well said. my point exactly. he was drafted in 2020 draft and in the 21-22 season played 43 games and so far this year has played 69 games. Leafs had a bad D a few years back so hard to argue this guy could not have been useful to us.
14 Mar 2023 23:29:12
Matthews trade to a non playoff team even Arizona, seems highly unlikely. Another major obstacle is the arena Arizona plays in, by the standards of millionaire players, billionaire owners or elite corporations not much of a draw yet for Matthews or Bedard. Other than to get an 8 year deal a sign & trade seems highly unlikely. Matthews will bet on himself & bet on the cap going up likely a 5 year deal. Arizona knows if Matthews come knocking as a UFA in 2024, they will have the cap space & they do not have to give up assets. Like the Leafs when they acquired Tavares as a UFA.
What seems much more likely a contender goes all in
Matthews & Nylander to the NYR for Chytil, Lafreniere, Kakko & a 1st rd pick in 2023 & 2024. Leafs eat half of the caphit on both contracts.
To let either of Matthews or Nylander walk as UFA's, is 10 fold worse than when Sundin left as a UFA. Sundin was on his last legs, Matthews & Nylander have many great seasons ahead of them.
Leafs would have two 1st rd picks in 2023 with one from Washington ( currently the 12th overall pick in 2023 ) & one from the NYR. Then two 1st rd picks in 2024 their own & the Rangers.
Leafs resign Bunting & buyout Murray.
Leafs 2023 / 2024 roster
Bunting Tavares Marner
Lafreniere Chytil Kakko
Knies Holmberg Robertson
Steeves Lafferty Jarncrock
Depth : Anderson, Minten, Voit, Abruzzesse, McMann.
Reilly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins
Niemela
Woll Kallgren
15 Mar 2023 05:48:39
I don't think Mathews does a 5 year deal, but I can see him doing a 2-3 year deal.
15 Mar 2023 16:16:21
They don’t have the Washington pick they have bostons which will likely be the 32.
16 Mar 2023 10:27:35
I don’t think Murray is bought out I think he’s traded there will be teams that are willing to take on that contract for 1 year.
13 Mar 2023 15:01:31
At The Draft.
Arizona Trades
Crouse
Schmaltz
Cooley (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2023 (Sens Pick)
3rd Round Pick 2023
Toronto Trades
Matthews
I have posted a similar type of Matthews trade proposal with Arizona, but think if it happens it won't have so many moving parts and really just a Matthews alone in a proposal.
Arizona makes the most sense compared to any other team, Matthews in Arizona gives them the franchise saviour, Matthews can never hurt The Leafs being in a different division.
July 1 Matthews NMC kicks in and he will be on an expiring contract, no way will Matthews be unsigned July 1 and not traded before, it would be too risky hoping he re-signs, I almost believe Dubas knows now Matthews will be traded at The Draft with what he did trading for so much for the last kick of the can with Matthews a Leaf.
You're Arizona and this type of proposal is wanted by Toronto to get Matthews, I believe Armstrong from his situation would agree giving up this package.
Looking forward to The Playoffs but the business part of the offseason I believe starts at The Draft, and besides Matthews I see Karlsson traded also, plus Philadelphia will be very active also, I predict one of the biggest draft days ever including Bedard part of it all.
Thoughts ?
13 Mar 2023 18:32:39
You won't get Cooley from them+another first. Cooley+Bedard (Bettman will rig it) are the future in zona and don't cost them 11+ million a year.
14 Mar 2023 01:46:24
Without Cooley to eventually replace Matthews as Leafs #1, then there is no deal!
14 Mar 2023 03:28:09
@WB why would the Yotes make this deal with Cooley included?
14 Mar 2023 10:26:51
How about we just keep Matthews and resign him….
14 Mar 2023 11:47:56
I don't think Matthews is leaving. He will get around $13.5-$14m per on a 6-8 year deal with a full NMC. He will be the highest paid player in the NHL at the time of his signing. He may not sign an extension unless it is in the off-season, as he won't want the distraction during the season. If it isn't done then, it will be at end of next season before July 1st. That's my prediction.
11 Mar 2023 16:12:52
This is based on the Nylander talk on the Leafs talk side. Lets say the Leafs win a couple of rounds, but not the Cup. Lets also say Willy has a very good playoff and during discussion prior to the draft, he is looking for around $10M per on a new extension. Lets also assume that the Leafs already have an extension in mind for Matthews and have identified Marner as their other forward to build around and feel they can't afford all 3 over $10M per.
At the draft
Nash
Nylander $6.96M
Tor
Tomasino $.863M
Wilsby $.842
2023 1st (assuming pick is outside top 10)
Nash gets the scoring help they need and a year to negotiate an extension.
Leafs get a 21 year old local boy who is already solid on the PP and cost controlled RW. Top 6 potential. Wilsby is a 22 year old puck moving D who is progressing constantly. Should be a mid 1st round pick as well.
11 Mar 2023 21:30:35
Nylander can’t ask more than pastrenek Boston so it’s 9 million max. Salaries are actually falling a bit. Maybe not enough teams have cap money.
11 Mar 2023 23:07:34
It doesn’t seem like much of a return for a player (Nylander) who is on track for a 40+ goal, 90+ point season.
11 Mar 2023 23:14:55
@DM. You know Pasta got $11.25M per right? How is Nylander wanting $10M more than Pastrnak?
12 Mar 2023 01:35:00
@DM what are you on about? MacKinnon signed for 12.6 and pasta just got over 11.
12 Mar 2023 02:04:20
WB. This isn't a sign and trade scenario. If he is wanting in the $10M range, what do you think he will be worth when to sign him by the acquiring team it will cost $10M?
12 Mar 2023 03:04:23
I think some are comparing willy to a Tkachuk type return. RFA vs UFA is a big difference though.
12 Mar 2023 13:45:53
@LL. Plus, the Tkachuk deal was a sign and trade. The Flames actually signed him to the 8X$9.5M deal and then sent him the same day to Florida. So Florida already knew well in advance what the contract would be and likely before Tkachuk signed it, the Panthers knew all the details and OK'd them so the trade could then go through.
12 Mar 2023 14:06:04
David mackin.
Pastranak got $11.25 so there is little doubt that Nylander will get $10 from someone.
09 Mar 2023 13:02:03
Lets just say Matthews doesn't want to resign here and Leafs move him this summer(I don't believe that is going to happen, I am just getting on the trade board.lol)
Leafs will likely want to move him out West. My pick and where I believe makes a lot of sense. LA. Kopitar only has one more season on his contract. Even though he is still a producer, he isn't getting another long term $10M per at age 37 by then. They could use a superstar #1 centre moving forward. Anyone team wanting Matthews, it will cost big even if it isn't a sign and trade.imo
LA
Matthews $11.64M
Tor
Kempe $5.5M
Vilardi RFA
Clarke ELC
Helenius ELC
May have to get LA to also take back some nobody AHL contracts.
09 Mar 2023 15:05:18
@RLF been thinking about this scenario lately and was thinking of posting something on it. we seem to be on the same page but i only gt as far as 3 players. I also had Clarke & Kempe, but instead of Vilardi I had Byfield as he is a big local boy who is listed as playing C. but based on Daily Faceoffs both players seem to play the wing. only Vilardi has produced more this year.
09 Mar 2023 20:34:52
He has a full NMC and he's a rental.
This is probably the best I could hope for in a Mathews trade.
09 Mar 2023 22:36:22
NMC doesn't kick in until July 1st when his final year contract starts. The bonus to the NMC is that he wouldn't negotiate one if he wasn't wanting to stay in Toronto or at the very least decide where he goes if the Leafs wanted to move him.
10 Mar 2023 03:43:46
@RLF it's a lot like the Kane situation one very aspect.
Yes, Mathews is significantly younger, but once his NMC starts I wouldn't expect a phenomenal return for him.
10 Mar 2023 12:15:17
@LL. I think he still gets a very good return. He will be 26 and the acquiring team would get a full season, plus that time to negotiate a new contract. If a team is trading for Matthews, they have an idea of what it may cost to re-sign him. He is a top 10 player in the NHL. They don't come cheap.
10 Mar 2023 13:06:28
I don’t think he’s leaving but let say for whatever reason he does I think you’re looking at a package most likely involving a 1st round pick a top prospect and probably a top 6 forward as the main pieces it would be hard to get much more than that just simply cause he could end up just being a rental for an acquiring team.
10 Mar 2023 15:10:14
Maybe the deal before his NMC kicks in is a sign and trade so the acquiring team can get him for 8 years. maybe that's how we get more for him. tough to say cause as it was mentioned any team that wants him might just want to wait a year till he is a UFA.
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