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08 Jul 2026 14:01:15
Lunatic trade idea.

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
Nino Niederreiter.

Winnipeg Jets acquire
Morgan Rielly
2027/ 2028 2nd-round pick-

Toronto lines is,
McKenna - Auston - Nylander.

Knies - Tavarese - Roslovic / Niederreiter.

Paul - Sissons - Niederreiter / Roslo.

Joshua / Lorenz - Blueger - Duhaime.

Extra Cowan. Domi out maby long time.

Leafs safe some money and that's good.

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08 Jul 2026 15:37:17
You are going to sit Cowan in the press box? Wow!!!!

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08 Jul 2026 16:05:32
Reilly won’t go there. Sitting Cowan is absurd.

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08 Jul 2026 16:26:53
Thisisit you still posting your ludicrous proposals I see 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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08 Jul 2026 02:19:30
Would you?
If Carlsson goes to Philly this could intrigue Willy.

To Philly: Nylander, Stetcher

To Tor: Tippett, Ristolainen, 1st in 2028 (they have 2), 2nd rd pick 2027

McKenna Matthews Tippett
Knies JT Cowan
Sissons Paul Roslovic
Joshua Blueger Duhaime
Lorentz MacEwen

OEL Raddysh
McCabe Tanev
Risto Reilly
Andrae/ Myers.

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08 Jul 2026 02:41:14
Why are we adding Stecher? Willy gets that himself easily. I feel our first we traded better be the one coming back. Then maybe, but I think Tippet our first and maybe Oliver Bonk. If we added Nylander plus something like cowboy think Philly would add Martone? Haha Let’s do a deal Danny.

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08 Jul 2026 10:34:32
Adding Stetcher because we would have 9 D if we didn’t and they would have 5, so I’m sure they would want one coming back. Don’t think Philly is going to move Martone. I personally like deal. Yes, we would take a small hit in goal production. But McKenna, Cowan, along with a better bottom 6 and Raddysh will help fill that void.

We will be an overall better team. Speed and defensively responsible all over the ice. Along with being more physical. Not too mention a solid 1st & 2nd rd pick for the future.

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08 Jul 2026 11:38:29
Add Rielly. Philly is apparently interested in him. I will puke if he’s still on this team come the fall!

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08 Jul 2026 13:30:41
Makes no sense next.

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08 Jul 2026 02:48:08
Matthews
Morgan
Danford

To Utah for:

Cooley
Sergachev
Iggy Jnr

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08 Jul 2026 01:51:42
Just stop.

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08 Jul 2026 02:02:06
Ckps1976 - Well entertain me.

What are you adding or taking away?

And... go.

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08 Jul 2026 13:31:40
Nothing cause it’s a dumb trade proposal next.

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08 Jul 2026 14:04:38
@ Thatguy.... If you look at who is being exchanged for who in the trade and break it down I think you will see the flaws in it. Maybe write it down in that manner then look hard at it for a while and you will see.

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08 Jul 2026 15:16:57
This might actually be the worst proposal I’ve ever seen. My good God... dude. lol I don’t even know where to start. This is awful.

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08 Jul 2026 01:21:07
Overheard an interesting conversation with a couple of guys tonight. The more I thought about it, the more it intrigued me. Everyone talks about someone pushing the limit on Chicago on a crazy offer sheet on Bedard. Chicago has the money to match of course but would not like it. The thing is he would have to accept it for it to have any credence and it sounds like he does like it in Chicago. Comes down to his health and as we said the term and the value. The other one talked about is an offer sheet to Fantilli by Philly if they don't get Carlsson or Pittsburgh offering.

The one guy said Chicago should throw a wrench into everyone's plans and offer sheet Fantilli at $15m for 3 years.

Just enough that Columbus can't match after Sillinger and Greaves are done arbitration. Then to not screw up their cap and have to trade a major player Chicago signs Bedard for $15m for 3 as well. It would not be the $18 of Carlssons but it would also send a message to both players Chicago is serious about building a cup team. They could be the new Toews and Kane the guy said. I was very intrigued. Davidson seems to me he is the kind of guy that could do that. They still have good prospects coming up. And still even if they gave up 4 firsts still have another 1st next year along with multiple 2nds?

Would you do this?

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08 Jul 2026 09:21:16
If we are talking hypotheticals for Chicago the answer is 1000x yes they should do something like that. They have been rebuilding for too long and they’re going to lose Bedard if they don’t make something happen soon. The first round pick mean nothing. They need to be good now.

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08 Jul 2026 14:18:31
Yeah hypothetical. But looking at things... not out of the realm really when I thought about it. We know Bedard will be matched for sure by Chicago. But Fantilli... another story and realistically, although some of the big teams like Florida, Vegas, etc. are always mentioned in these things. The only teams that truly have the cap and picks to do a offer on Fantilli in the $15 range are Pittsburgh (barely now), Philly if Anaheim matches Carlsson or Anaheim if they don't match.

Seattle, Vancouver and Detroit.

My gut feeling is Yzerman offer sheets on Fantilli then he has his Centre to replace Larkin and then he starts to shop Larkin to the highest bidder for a Scoring Winger. (Knies maybe?)

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08 Jul 2026 14:53:41
@suff idk man Larkin would fix a glaring hole for us but… still think that we trade Knies for almost any player we lose the trade when we look at it by the end of the window. He’s a very hard player to replace.

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07 Jul 2026 12:34:49
Not sure if this is even worth while, but here goes.
Risky and lots of hurdles to cross as far as NMC's & M-NTC's.

To NJ
Stolarz $3.75M/ 4yrs
Rielly $7.5M/ 4yrs
Joshua $3.25M/ 2yrs
$14.5M out

To Toronto
Allen, Jake $1.8M/ 4yrs
Kovacevic $4.0M/ 4yrs
Mercer $4.M/ 1yr RFA
$9.8M in

Risky - Leafs
Allen will be 36 soon, so we are even more reliant on Bob being good & staying healthy. Two older goalies now.
Kovacevic had major knee surgery during the 2024/ 2025 playoffs & returned to Jersey in January this year, but did play all remaining games.

Risky - Devils
Stolarz being #1 golalie with his injury history.

Anyways, Leafs clear much needed cap space and are now under the cap.
They get more of a backup goalie behind Bob at a lower AAV.
They get another shutdown Dman who plays physical & can PK (PK Dman needed)
They get a young versatile RH player who can play any RW position, fill in at C and is a great 200 foot player.

Jersey gets their #1 goalie, who is a homegrown Jersey boy.
They get another puck moving Dman, which they are looking for to balance out their lines.
3 shutdown guys in Siegenthaler, Pesce & Dillon and now 3 puck moving guys in Hughes, Hamilton & Rielly.
Joshua should fit in seamlessly on 3LW with Glass & Rodrigues.

Hurdles
Rielly agreeing to waive for NJ, he has good history with Keefe so hopefully that sways his decision.
Stolarz 10 team no trade, which I'm sure he'd waive for his home town and the chance to be the #1 goalie.
Also Allen, Kovacevic & Joshua have to waive their M-NTC is either team us on their list.

***It's just crazy how many player's have some form of NTC.

Thoughts?

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07 Jul 2026 13:21:03
Don’t like it for only saving $4.7m and making the team worse in the process. Better trades out there.

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07 Jul 2026 13:27:21
The trade does not make the Leafs worse!

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07 Jul 2026 14:52:17
Ignore my first response. What I should have said is no way Devils agree to this trade for that package. Mercer going nowhere. They would want to get rid of Hamilton for Rielly. Stolarz for Allen they would do for sure.

Their left side will be ridiculous in cap hits with Rielly and Hamilton there. Never happen. Then there is no cap relief for Leafs it would balance out taking on Hamilton and Allen for Stolarz and Rielly.

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07 Jul 2026 21:30:27
If Jersey agrees, I love the idea of getting Mercer.

Even if you have to work in Dougie Hamilton to offset cap hits I'm still good with it. Big fan of Mercer.

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08 Jul 2026 13:34:59
No benefit to the Leafs if Hamilton is involved. No thanks, cause they won’t include Mercer for Joshua and Stolarz.

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08 Jul 2026 15:51:31
Leave Hamilton out of the deal, we don't need or want him.
Just keep Rielly and change to OEL (he holds more trade value & costs less).

Stolarz, Joshua & OEL $10.5M out
For
Allen, Mercer & Kovacevic $9.8M in

Maybe Leafs need to add a B/C level prospect or a 3rd/4th draft pick at most.

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07 Jul 2026 01:14:49
Ducks
Knies
Leafs
Gauthier

Ducks get a cost certainty.
Leafs get a better goal scorer.

Now we have to sign him.
Current cap 0ver the cap by 2 million once we send the hammerhead MacEwen to the AHL.
Well, now let’s move on from Morgan; trade him for picks, no money coming back.
Leaves us 5.5 million available on the cap.


We will have to move Dakota Joshua for picks; adds 3.25.
8.75 available.
Key is max Domi LTIR 3.75.
Gives 12.5 on cap.
Sign Gauthier 5 years 8.5 million per.
Sign Logan Stanley Cup for 3.5 for 3 years.
Crap, a lot of work.
Seemed like a genius idea when I started.
lol
😂

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07 Jul 2026 00:57:46
Well imagine a world where we could send Domi and a puck back for Dach. Heard they were interested in trading for a centre and I realistically can’t guess what or how many picks we’d have to add but it’s out there.

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07 Jul 2026 01:07:43
@Luke Fox, I love Gauthier. I think he is a good one for sure. But I’m still not moving Knies. We keep getting the same type of player. We have enough skill. Watch playoffs and see how well the perimeter players do.

Need Knies to get in there and muck it up. If Knies was on the other side of 30 and we were rebuilding, I’d be all for it. But he is 23, not even in his prime. But I’d trade Nylander for Gauthier.

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07 Jul 2026 01:29:30
With Leo Carlson just signing for $18 million a year, I doubt Cutter Gauthier is going to sign for $8, $10 million less.
It will likely take at least $10 - $12 million to get Gauthier’s signature on a long term contract.



Just curious; who are we trading Morgan Rielly and Dakota Joshua too?
If it was that easy I imagine it would be be dome by now.

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07 Jul 2026 01:52:16
So, Clarky, you didn't like when Nylander held out. If you trade him for Gauthier, you are trading for a guy that demanded to be traded before he even played in the NHL.

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07 Jul 2026 02:34:07
Use your imagination on the Rielly Joshua trades waterbuff.
I can’t do it all.

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07 Jul 2026 11:13:24
Suffering, you guys never read my post right. I said I’ve been wanting to trade Nylander since he held out. But that wasn’t the reason for the hold out. It’s because I don’t believe we can win with selfish mode players like him.

We had too much perimeter heartless skill on the team since then and he would have been the one I traded over Marner. It wasn’t just he held out for contract negotiations, it’s because I really don’t like that type of player on my favourite team.

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07 Jul 2026 11:30:47
But wasn’t Gauthier also being selfish when he refused to play for the Flyers?

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07 Jul 2026 13:47:00
It’s an enticing proposition to say the least, a lot of moving parts. Let’s just say it works out the way u say and u get the cap space u need and get the players u want in Gauthier and Stanley. The lineup would definitely be good, no doubt.

McKenna Matthews Roslovic
Tavares Gauthier Nylander
Cowan Paul Sissons
Groulx Blueger Duhaime
Lorentz

McCabe Raddysh
OEL Tanev
Stanley Stetcher/Andrae

Bob
Stolarz

Options are way better with Gauthier, that’s for sure to move guys around.

Tavares can be your 3c and Paul or Cowan can move up to 2LW. I like it but a lot of things need to happen to make the money work and Ducks to agree to it.

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07 Jul 2026 16:56:19
@LukeFox... It’s an intriguing one. Good news for you, you would a lot more cap room... you forgot to add in Knies salary disappearing to allow for signing Gauthier if more money was needed.

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07 Jul 2026 19:01:08
Suffering, he did add Knies, that’s how he got the original $5m in cap. That's Knies' cap - the overage right now. But to make it work still need Joshua Rielly and in my eyes Lorentz, that way u sign both Gauthier and Stanley and still have some cap left over. Plus u got Domi’s cap that will be LTIR for sure.

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07 Jul 2026 22:11:37
If you are talking that $5.5, I think that is after he calculated we are already $2 over and by trading Reilly that would put us at $5.5 ahead.

So what I see is right now we are $2.7m over and we sent McEwen down that leaves us $2m over Then by trading Reilly it leaves us $5.5m under.

Then trading Joshua for picks it leaves us $8.75 Under. With Domi LTIR it leaves us $12.5 under. Then..... by subtracting Knies $7.75 from our cap it then leaves us $20.25 under the cap to do Luke's Gauthier and Stanley signings. I might be wrong but will leve it open to see how my calculations work.

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07 Jul 2026 22:33:42
I think you are correct suffering 😏👏
So what do we do with all that extra 💰 ???
Maybe retain on Morgan and get a better return?

Maybe I overdid it
But the initial idea is Knies for Gauthier LOL

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07 Jul 2026 23:25:19
Or save it and see how the season goes if we needed it for trading prospects for a bigger salary coming in. Always good to accumulate a bit for a rainy day.

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08 Jul 2026 14:02:13
However u slice it, a lot of moving parts that if they could pull it off would be a definite game changer.

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06 Jul 2026 22:18:34
Crazy trade idea---

Toronto get

Nate Schmidt
Julian Lutz ( Germany's McMann)
Utah 2027 2nd round pick

Utah receives

Morgan Rielly

Why not?

Caphit is ok now.

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07 Jul 2026 00:24:03
Hard pass from Utah

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07 Jul 2026 01:08:46
I’m still so upset we lost McMann. Would have fit perfectly on this team. Could of saved us from getting Roslovic too.

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07 Jul 2026 01:30:47
Why would Utah give up 3 pieces for Morgan Rielly, a player Leafs are trying to dump?

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06 Jul 2026 21:57:19
So depending how things go this season for us, and the league in general. We could be sitting on a player who teams with this new jumping in salaries will be the most sought after player after player in the league. If he produces as well as he usually does. William Nylander, if he waives his no trade, will spark a huge trading bid war.

If you think about it. What would he be worth as a UFA next year with the cap jumping again? He is tied up for 6 more years at $11.5.

It very well could be the best contract a team could trade for. Certainty for 6 years for a player who even if he slows down will most likely average 80-85 points for the duration. If we don’t keep him these last few weeks should give pause for thought. He is worth a lot more in trade value truthfully than Carlsson, 4 first round picks. Maybe Briere did us a favour.

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06 Jul 2026 21:04:05
I would have to think Werenski again if Columbus misses the playoffs and Nylander wanted out that’d be my first call. To answer your question, would be a franchise player or a second line player and 1st round picks.

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06 Jul 2026 21:05:49
And no, he didn’t do us a favour. Whoever we acquire will cost us at least 18 million per year.

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06 Jul 2026 21:07:25
I don’t wanna be Negative Nancy but I can stand Willy Nylander (aka Silly Peelander).

😂🤣😂

That’s a whole different debate.

* Let’s circle back to this topic when the season starts.

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06 Jul 2026 21:16:50
You don’t replace him with another star. You pillage their top prospects and future draft picks. Whether you hate or love or are ambivalent. His contract will be valuable in the trade market.

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06 Jul 2026 22:10:20
Yep! If we are entering a new NHL, controllable assets (draft picks and prospects) “might” be more valuable than ever 🤷‍♂️

But after saying that, you can spend all this money on training facilities, development and coaching and that prospect walks to the highest bidder 🤔

The NHL and NHLPA have a big problem on there hands.

As it stands now, what’s the point of Demidov signing a bridge deal? Just wait for RFA 💰

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06 Jul 2026 22:12:57
Willy of all people I could see going to CBJ.

I'm not convinced he cares about winning like others do, so send him there if need be.

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06 Jul 2026 22:13:14
I’ve been onboard with trading Nylander since he held out to start the season for contract negotiations. Not for that reason, but I don’t think you win with guys like this and like you said, I think you can get some valuable pieces back in a trade while setting a new culture.

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06 Jul 2026 22:17:51
I’d trade him for a bag of pucks.

😂🤣😂

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06 Jul 2026 22:33:55
It is a huge problem. I think the league should increase and extend ELC to 3 million and year until you’re 25 or 5 years in the league, or get rid of offer sheets all together, because there’s no point in getting a first round, let’s say top 10 pick, if you have big money committed to other players.

If someone comes in and steals them away, or put a cap based on age, something like 18-25 8 million tops, 25-32 12 million tops and so on. Again, first round picks mean nothing if someone can offer sheet and steal them; totally devalues the process.

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06 Jul 2026 22:36:53
Clarky, I have no idea what holding out has to do with being able to win. It’s a team game; one guy holding out isn’t going to change any outcome. I’m not going to invest research time on this, but I’m sure a cup winner has had a holdout in their dressing room.

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06 Jul 2026 22:54:27
Definitely a Huge problem!!!!!

Only positive I can see is everyone sees it (GMs, players, owner and fans).

Let’s hope the NHL and NHLPA can work together and solve it.

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06 Jul 2026 23:11:55
I mentioned on a thread the other day that another issue that has ginhammered out is Nashville, Vegas, Florida, Tampa and Dallas. It has to a level playing field. For instance People have said if Philly had offered $16 to beat the requested $15 of Carlsson camp they would not be as upset.

But what if one of those other offer sheets talked about one was at close to $16 and it was from say Nashville. For Philly to match that for take home pay they need to offer $18.

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06 Jul 2026 23:56:16
I love ur thinking outside the box but in my option $10m is too much for a guy who’s only played 3x seasons.

Let’s pretend the offer sheet stuff never Happened. Is McJesus worth $18m?

I honestly don’t know, honest question.

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07 Jul 2026 00:12:06
I’m definitely second guess myself giving that kinda money to one player.

I don’t even know player dollar value anymore.

I don’t think anyone does.

🥴🔨

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07 Jul 2026 00:42:39
Don't know if this is true or not, but shame on Verbeek if it is:

"Friedman about Carlsson Offer Sheet :... they went back to the Ducks before signing the offer sheet and asked for $15m and Verbeek said no".


Anyways, I agree with you guys that there should be some sort of cap coming out of your ELC.

The most a player can make is 20% of cap. Maybe a player's max contract coming out of their ELC should be capped at 10%/12%.
No way someone coming off their ELC should be the highest paid player in the league. That's just ridiculous.

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07 Jul 2026 01:55:39
McDavid was! And Matthews was far behind after his ELC.

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07 Jul 2026 03:35:48
McDavid is in a league of his own. He was leading the league in scoring in his 2nd and 3rd pro seasons. No comparison to Carlsson, who is only scoring at a .7 PPG.
Plus, this Carlsson OS is way above all other contracts. It's just ridiculous, IMO.

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06 Jul 2026 17:53:11
The Carlsson offer sheet has been a good discussion. I am staring it anew as it has gotten long to reach the bottom comments.

As I had posted; there is more to an offer sheet than just stealing a guy for cash. There can be hard feelings on the team that gets him. League ripple effects etc.
I don't have issue with Briere using a offer sheet and he can offer whatever he wants to. I still think it is a stupid amount to give Carlsson for 5 years of service. As well as, it is going to cost Briere on his own team in the long run.

The obvious reason, it is a ridiculous overpay even if Carlsson wanted $14-$15M (still ridiculous imo) Brier could have offered $15/$16 and still made Anaheim pay more than they wanted to. If Carlsson didn't think he was going to get it from Anaheim, he would have still likely signed a $15M offer sheet. But no, Briere had to go to $18M.

2. They are only paying Konecny $8.75M over the next 5 years. Hard to believe guys like him, Sanheim, Couturier, Tippet aren't going to have some hard feelings when they all have 4-5 years left and in most cases making $10-$12M less than a 21 year old they offer sheeted.

3. Zegras and Drysdale still need deals and I would think they just upped their ask and why wouldn't they when they saw what he offered Carlsson.

4. Michkov next year and Martone in two years need deals. Briere just set the tone for what he is willing to pay. If either/both are about point per game players at that time, how do they not ask for at least $15-18M or more. If Briere refuses and says $8M or $9M or $10M is his offer, that is a huge slap in the face and those guys will likely want out and rightfully so.

5. Going after UFA's. You know they are going to want the moon from Philly as Briere just gave Carlsson the moon.

6.If Anaheim doesn't match, the draft capital Philly have lost makes it more difficult to add good players either by drafting or by trades. He just blew 4 years of top draft stock.

7. You know other GM's hate it as Briere just set a new AAV standard and it's not the same thing as Minny giving Kaprizov $17M to keep him.

8. It affects every teams cap going forward. If Matthews camp was thinking $17-$18M to stay, he is thinking more now. McDavid in Edmonton. No way McDavid takes less than $20M to stay and that would likely be considered a hometown discount now. It's like when Dubas handed out all the big contracts, the ripple effect went through the league and guys coming off their AAV started asking for long term big bucks.

Players are just getting more and more greedy and GM's in general are just stupid enough to pay young talent that really haven't taken a team to any great level of success anything they want.

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06 Jul 2026 17:53:13
I did just did another post that is probably pretty buried now on that other thread. But it addresses how Briere and Jones built towards this while the rest of the league kind of lagged. In fairness to them, you mentioned they could have offered lower and got him. They were not the only team bidding.

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06 Jul 2026 18:20:05
Yes, I read it and responded. All good.

Dregger reported that more teams were involved with actual offer sheets presented, but no one else has confirmed it and I believe it was also reported that Philly went way beyond what they thought would be offered or Anaheim would be willing to pay. Even Freidman reported that teams backed off when they heard his ask was $15M. Why I said they could have offered less and likely still got him.

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06 Jul 2026 18:52:18
Friedman did write that he heard there was one team considering 7 years @ 17.5. Dregs and Friedman are pretty reliable. I have a pretty good hunch that team was also located in the same state as the Flyers. 😜

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06 Jul 2026 19:10:25
Lol. I didn't see that from Friedman. That doesn't sound like a Dubas thing to do at all. 🤔

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06 Jul 2026 19:24:48
I sensing sacrcasm re: a Dubas thing to do. When we know he might be mad he is the one not getting the heat for landing Carlsoon lol

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06 Jul 2026 20:51:24
Well done boys 👊

Good, honest debate 👊

Just because you disagree w me doesn’t mean I think your stupid 👊

Now, having said that, let’s keep go’n 🤣😂

I made my argument against the Flyers earlier and I stand by it. Now, lets me focus on the players.

I guess where I’m struggling the most is not that Daniel Brière made the offer sheet it’s that he abused the system. “Yes”, he played within the rules but he exposed a major flaw in the system and took advantage of it and he pissed off everyone do’n so at all levels (players, GM’s and owners).

Ok, what are the players thinking. We’ll use McJesus, MacKinnon, Matthews and Kucherov to make my point. These players have poured their hearts and soles into their respective teams and communities. They have won multiple awards, medals, cups and represent their teams multiple times at all-star games for well over a decade. These guys in my opinion should be getting top dollar not Carlsson 🤷‍♂️. You telling me Carlsson should be making $5m+ more than the above players? Carlsson has only been in the NHL for 3x years!!!! What has Carlsson won 🤔. What has Carlsson sacrificed 🤔. NOTHING!!!!! I believe this offer sheet was a direct insult to the great players listed above and was a blatant abuse of the system.

* I have more arguments for:

• GM’s
• Owners
• next CBA

Daniel Brière just poked the Bear, opened a can or worms and threw rocks at the beehive all at the same time. In my opinion there is nothing positive about this offer sheet (not even for his own team). This is a bad day for hockey.

If there is any saving grace, the Ducks don’t match the offer sheet and it’s a one off.

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06 Jul 2026 21:47:02
Well don’t forget McDavid and Matthews both after their 3rd year both got contracts that had them getting 15.7% and 14%? If their team's total cap. Carlsson will be 17% of Philly’s. None of us can read the future of course but Philly is gambling this move gets them a cup or 2. If they are right they are geniuses if not they look rediculous. Briere needed a centre apparently Matthews was one he wanted at one point and this was the route he took. It really should come as no surprise to anyone that a major offer sheet happened, it was talked about around the league for months it is just that it was Carlsson and not Robertson that caught everyone off guard.

What apparently drove them towards Carlsson was him actually outplaying McDavid in the playoff in that series. I asked my Nephew yesterday who had tickets in Edmonton to all the games how good was he. Hard sometimes to tell on T. V. He said is insanely good on and away from the puck.

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06 Jul 2026 22:15:22
Whoever is paying Carlsson is screwed for a while. What’s Martone gonna want when his contract comes up? Not good.

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06 Jul 2026 22:15:43
I can’t speak for RLF but I’m pretty sure he will appreciate as do I that you don’t consider us Stupid. Most of us have healthy and at times lively debates but we try not to insult. There is the odd one though that likes to insult. Can’t let them get to you.

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06 Jul 2026 22:26:10
@Suffering

I do appreciate you! You debate both side with healthy arguments. The whole idea of this site (in my opinion) is to challenge each other.

You and many others make me a better hockey fan.

Cheers 🍻

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07 Jul 2026 02:27:36
Thank you very much.

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06 Jul 2026 02:49:42
Ducks need a vet dman

I present to them
M Rielly

They return to da Leafs
Killorn
McQueen

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06 Jul 2026 02:04:44
Bro, what are you smoking lol? McQueen is one of their top prospects.

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06 Jul 2026 02:11:42
Leafs don’t want to take back salary u 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴. Especially not a forward when they r looking to unload the log jam of forwards they have now. Only way Ducks take Rielly now is if they don’t match offer sheet which might have to happen now that they signed Mintyukov to such a ridiculous contract.

Cause they will only have $9.8m to sign Gauthier and Hinds not near enough for Gauthier alone.

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06 Jul 2026 02:23:59
Wish I would have thought of that.

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06 Jul 2026 03:19:29
Dude!!!! If I’m the Leafs I’m all over that trade.

Helps us today w cap space

Helps us tomorrow w a great prospect

But unfortunately Ducks will not do it 🤷‍♂️

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06 Jul 2026 10:15:37
So u r saving 1.25m to bring in an old 36yr old wash out. Just to get McQueen, which like u said Ducks won’t do. The 1.25 doesn’t even cover your overage right now and not to mention Rielly’s replacement on left side lol you r back on the 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴 train.

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06 Jul 2026 11:10:12
Champ, I’d do it to get McQueen jus sayn! We would have some cap crap to maneuver thru but for Roger95McQueen I’m in! Dreaming to but in!

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06 Jul 2026 12:58:32
Oh and Champ I’m still waiting for your explanation on the Mintyukov signing at 7.2 when in your bravado said they were looking to dump him and 6 million per was a ludicrous amount to pay him…..

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06 Jul 2026 12:55:44
Champ is missing it again
Rielly off the books
Killorn for 1 year
I thought you could trade Killorn again or buy him out or waive him.

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07 Jul 2026 01:41:13
Ducks can’t trade McQueen if they are losing Carlson.
They need McQueen as a potential future replacement for Carlson.
Plus, what team gives a top prospect for Rielly?
If Leafs can move Rielly without retaining salary they should be happy with a mid round pick.

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07 Jul 2026 03:40:43
@ LukeFox. Has anyone heard how long Champ's mom has grounded him off the computer this time? So he can answer your Mintyukov question? 😂😂😂

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07 Jul 2026 08:39:54
Too funny 😂🤣😂🤣!!!!

Still laughing 😂🤣😂🤣!!!!

I’m cry’n here 😂🤣😂🤣!!!!

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07 Jul 2026 10:05:33
Champ has gotten better, he’s try’n.

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06 Jul 2026 00:05:21
Mintyukov
You and King must be eating the same 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴 sandwiches. Giving up Knies, Rielly, Quillan and Hopkins for Mintyukov, Killorn, and McQueen. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥴🥴🥴🥴 Not only that, then sign him to $6m per for a guy the Ducks aren’t sold on at all and would be happy to unload.


Champishere2627

Champ u r da 💣!!!!

Signs for 7.2 for 5 years


My trade above stands… even with him now signed.

Then

Pittsburgh
Rielly
Joshua

Leafs
Rakell
Pickering

I await the champishere analysis… 😏

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05 Jul 2026 23:25:37
Why am I apart of this battle???

😂🤣😂🤣😂

* Ducks would take that all day!!!!!

* My point is we could get waaaay more.

* Gotta let the dust settle between Flyer/Ducks before even thinking about any trade ideas.

* Sooooo much can change in the next week

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05 Jul 2026 23:50:11
@LukeFox

Bravo!!!

You pretty much nailed the Mintyukov contract.

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06 Jul 2026 00:00:35
So the Ducks are really up against it now. If they were to sign Carlsson that would leave them with just under $10 m and even at low end Hinds will still get $1,250,000 probably just because they are so low on d-men. So that leaves 8.75 to sign Gauthier and I can't see that happening for that number.

So I think they will have that $18 of Carlssons to spend and 4 1st round picks coming back in a few days. In which case they will be in the trade market for sure.

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06 Jul 2026 00:16:15
@ Suffering

I soooo agree w you 👊.

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06 Jul 2026 00:21:14
@Sufferingsince1967
I think they match on Carlsson.
And buy out on
Killorn, saves $4.17M on cap.
And/or
Vatrano, saves $4M on cap.

Then trade it, sign for someone else cheaper in FA to fill a LW spot or make a trade (maybe Joshua for a puck).

Bottom line is they have options for buy outs, so they can keep their top players.

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06 Jul 2026 00:50:57
Never thought about the buyout options 🤔

Still can’t see the Ducks matching tho.

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06 Jul 2026 01:03:46
@KINGmatty
Personally I think Anaheim matches. They have their young core set for the next few years and then have quite a few prospects who will be ready in 2/3 more years.
Losing Carlsson will be a dent in those plans IMO.

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06 Jul 2026 01:25:09
@Tags I think the Flyers know Ducks have to match, I agree there. It is an insane overpay, but what option do you have? Finding a 1C and 1D are the hardest things to do in hockey. They have no choice.

Briere did this to he a something head, and it worked.

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06 Jul 2026 01:35:44
Buyout Window started June 15 and ended June 30.

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06 Jul 2026 01:46:03
Is there not a secondary buyout window?

If not, I would think they trade some guys and make space. Possibly lose the trades to make cap space.
I still think Anaheim matches though.

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06 Jul 2026 01:51:50
Hope you guys are wrong. Not for me but for hockey. An offer sheet like this doesn’t just affect the Flyer and Ducks it affects the whole league. I do appreciate your thoughts tho… 👊

It’s too bad we’re even having this conversation. Not happy w Danial Briere and I’m sure all GM’s in the league are thinking the same.

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06 Jul 2026 02:01:07
So they can't buy anyone out until next June.

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06 Jul 2026 02:01:22
Definitely a D move.
I think you're right Suffering.
Anaheim could have had a second buy out window is a player filed for salary arbitration, but doesn't seem like anyone did.

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06 Jul 2026 02:07:16
Secondary window only applies to players that have gone through arbitration in the off season and they have a 48 hour window.

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06 Jul 2026 02:07:50
I would not accept if your Anaheim. You’re going to set the precedent for this era and you’re going to do it by paying Leo 18M? Take the 4 1sts, trade a couple if they want to be win now. Can’t win with guys that are all about the money. Leo at 18, Kaprizov at 17M, it’s just selfish. It becomes more about the individuals and less and out the team.

Hard to make a well rounded team when 1 guy eats up 15% or more of the team's salary. Just my opinion. I’ll always think of that Boston team back in 2012 when no one was making over 8M. Just an unselfish group that all had the same goal in mind.

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06 Jul 2026 02:21:11
Some are upset and others are realizing that RFA offer sheets, if you have the cap space and the draft prospects for compensation, are the way to make that one big move.

Here is a wild one to think about though..... Anaheim has the picks for compensation to do the same thing if they don't match. Vereek could use his next 4 years 1st rounders as compensation to do the same exact thing to another team.

He would have that $18,000,000 back and they could then do an offer sheet at Fantilli or Robertson in the $16 range, and it actually would not cost him any draft picks as he gives up his and inherits the Flyers next 4 years of 1sts. Who knows what is going through Verbeeks mind right now?

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06 Jul 2026 02:40:04
Clarky.... Do you mean the 2010-2011 Cup champion Bruin team?

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06 Jul 2026 02:44:56
@Clark17

I’m with you 100%

Nothing good about this whole offer sheet drama. Sooooo many things wrong w this on sooooo many levels.

Daniel Briere has pissed off a lot of people.

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06 Jul 2026 02:57:51
The thing is KING... He is doing it to the guy that has pissed off way more people in the hockey world than anyone.

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06 Jul 2026 03:06:14
@Suffering

I soooo get ur point about Verbeek. But this is bigger than that.

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06 Jul 2026 03:15:30
Funny thing….

When my brothers and I moved out of our parents' house they turned to billeting.

Pat Verbeek’s son (Kyle) stayed at my parents' house in Mississauga while trying out for the OHL Ice Dogs.

He only lasted 2x days cuz he was allergic to the cats and got cut a few days later.

True story 🤣😂🤣

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06 Jul 2026 03:24:03
In what way though? If he gets Carlsson he gets what he needs to take his team to a way bigger level than they were. A lot of people are angry but he has done nothing wrong, he has followed the Collective Bargaining Agreement to a full legality and what people are angry about is he was smart on saving his cap money and smart on saving his draft picks. He saw the opportunity and went for it. Don't forget there were reportedly according Darren Dreger 4 other teams that had presented formal offer sheets.

Those teams knew that Anaheim was offering $13 so they were all abover that. Everyone in hockey knows Verbeek is the hardest to negotiate with and agents despise him, so when he was offering $13 and started at the (9-11 range) and then blustered he would match anyone's offer, he put himself in the Bullseye. He should have just done the $14.5 to $15 Carlsson's camp wanted initially and Gauthier would not be looking for as lucrative a payday as with Carlsson getting $18.

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06 Jul 2026 03:41:34
If it is the Money that people are upset about, then Briere is not the bad guy. The guy people should point the finger at for starting the overpayment for the league starting this off season. Kyle Davidson. When he made Bowen Byram the highest paid defenseman in the league that moved the needle.

Byram is a good defenseman but not a $12.5m defenseman. I saw him coming in around the $8.5 range. If he is worth $12.5 then Carlsson is worth the Offer for what he can bring to the table with the Flyers.

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06 Jul 2026 12:02:15
Briere is working within the confines of the CBA. He has the cap space and draft capital do make the OS and I personally have zero issues with what he did.

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06 Jul 2026 12:10:04
@Suffering

Love what ur do’n here. I know, just like me, you’re against matching this offer 👍. What your do’n here is challenging me on the premise of the offer 👍.

The Byram deal was handled horribly!!! Perfect example of hockey quicksand (one bad decision after another). When you make a trade for the 4th overall pick (potential superstar) in a stacked draft you better know what you’re getting yourself into (again, sign and trade). Giving up the 4th overall pick to a guy in his last year of his contract w no long term deal in hand gave Byram and his agent all the leverage. Kyle Davidson had to give Byram the money just to save face.


Ok, to the offer sheet, let’s start w the Flyers…...

How can the Flyers honestly compete for a Stanley Cup with all those eggs in one basket 🤔.

In my opinion you won’t be able to afford running 4x quality lines (forward/D-man). It’s gonna get harder and harder as the contract lives on. Look what the Leafs just paid to fill 3rd and 4th lines.

What if Michkov finally lives up to his 1st overall potential and has a breakout season 🤔. What’s the price tag for him now that you set the bar so high 🤔 (you Better sign him now before it’s too late) and if I’m Michkov I’m not signing until after the season done.

What’s Martone’s worth 🤔.

What if Carlsson takes a knee (Austin Matthews) and is out 6x months 🤔. “Yes” it will free up cap space but you’re limited to picking up expiring contracts and bidding for those expiring contract against teams that have 1st rounders in pocket.

Ok, so Carlsson has a great season and you wanna make moves to fill holes at the trade deadline (upgrades/injuries). How can you do that w no cap space and no 1st rounders 🤔.

So your offence has a great season but your goalie suuuuck!! How do you fix this with no cap space and no 1st rounders 🤔


My point, “yes” some of the above arguments can be fixed but all the above challenges could have easily been avoided.

This contract is wrong on soooo many levels and this is just from the Flyers standpoint.

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06 Jul 2026 12:33:39
@Tags97

I’m not arguing the CBA at all 🤷‍♂️ but since you brought this up this could potentially present problem go’n into the next round of negotiations.

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06 Jul 2026 12:57:30
@KINGmatty
Agreed, many problems can be created moving forward, but at the same time this forces GMs to be more diligent and negotiate within the timelines.
As much as I hate Montreal, look at the Demidov signing $9.1M/8yrs done by Hughes on July 1st. Demidov would 100% be Offer Sheeted IMO.



Thank God Knies isn't an RFA this year. Leafs may have been in the same scenario, albeit, the amount wouldn't have been as high.

@Clarky17
Montreal is a great example of players taking less to build a solid, competitive and elite team.

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06 Jul 2026 13:02:18
Zegras and Drysdale are going to Arbitration, which means they will be signed are still reasonable pricing. To do so might facilitate moving a body to squeeze in the cap. Other than that the only pressing contract next year would be Mitchkov. But that could be handled with next year's salary cap increase and again probably moving someone else. One thing the Flyers have is a big depth of good young forwards without even counting Jett Luchenko. They still have the Leafs' 1st-round pick as well as their own 2nd and multiple 3rds and 4ths for next year.

I can see at some point possibly during this year of them finding a taker for Couturier's contract and a combo of those picks, for future considerations. They are pretty well positioned for the future in these regards. From the sounds of it Briere and Keith Jones had been preparing for quite some time for something like this. Their biggest hole was for that #1 center. The question becomes will it be Carlsson or another target.

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06 Jul 2026 13:15:59
@Tags97
@Clarky17

Couldn’t agree more when it comes to Montreal……BRAVO!!!!!

And they did all this before 💩 hit the fan 🤯

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06 Jul 2026 16:25:17
I don't have issue with Briere using a offer sheet and he can offer whatever he wants to. I still think it is a stupid amount to give Carlsson for 5 years of service. The obvious reason, it is a ridiculous overpay. 2. They are only paying Konecny $8.75M over the next 5 years. Hard to believe guys like him, Sanheim, Couturier, Tippet aren't going to have some hard feelings when they all have 4-5 years left and in most cases making $10-$12M less than a 21 year old they offer sheeted.
3. Zegras and Drysdale still need deals and I would think they just upped their ask and why wouldn't they.

4. Michkov next year and Martone in two years need deals. Briere just set the tone for what he is willing to pay. If either/both are about point per game players at that time, how do they not ask for at least $15-18M. If Briere refuses and says $8M or $9M is his offer, that is a huge slap in the face and those guys will want out and rightfully so.
There are more factors to offer sheets than just trying to steal a guy for nothing but cash.

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06 Jul 2026 11:19:04
@kmatty I see that post scrolled to comment hope I didn’t miss something important haha. I couldn’t agree more man best point so far, this offer sheet sets an extremely negative tone for the league moving forward. Don’t forget we got McKenna to sign in 3 yrs. To what! 25/30 a yr? I mean I hope we all learned from the old coree crap don’t pay these kids who’ve one nothing that much money right after their ELC expires but I doubt it.

This is bad league wide. Breire should be bared from the League for this it’s wrong and sets it back as whole for yrs. Unless he knows something we don’t. Like no more cap? Doubt that to but that moved was bad for everyone. 21yr old 68pts 18mil lol he’s good ya but wow. Kill it boys

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06 Jul 2026 17:21:27
I guess what I am saying is that Keith Jones and Danny Briere in tandem started towards this 3 years ago by acquiring prospects and future drafts picks while hanging on to their own and keeping their Salary cap in line and looking towards their future cap as well. Some markets are livid they did this move but theiy built carefully to do it and those markets that are livid are probably more upset because their own teams were mismanaged in that manner.

Ours is the obviously the easiest for people on here to assess. But other markets are in the same boat. Ours perhaps worse than any though. There were 28 teams that had the 4 picks required for compensation to do the offer sheet. We were not one of them. The majority of those teams did not have cap available, the rest had cap available but had backed themselves into corners with that cap needed to extend players contracts. We can't even fathom doing a offer sheet on a player above $4,775,666 until the summer of 2028 unless we screw up and trade our 2029 first round by then.

Will RFA offers become front and centre in the next CBA? Probably, but the players association will not be against how this was done. The owners might but the owners to be against it will have to look at how they have also allowed the Tax free Teams to thrive while other teams had that to fight against. Trust me... if those teams had not spend to the max one of them would have done a offer sheet of a couple million less that Carlsson would have jumped at because it actually would have been the equivalent of $20 million. The CBA needs to be tweaked on so many levels. Including the No trade contract rules to allow trades that will help both teams better, not sure how it would look but could include years of service etc. Anyway maybe Briere has upset some people in the league but the owner now need to look at the state of their teams Cap, prospects, draft picks and future cap and make decisions on whether they have the right management in place in this new generation of the NHL

Lets be honest....if we had any of our first round picks in the next 2 years I am sure that we would have been able to swing a trade to get a 1b Centreman to have in between Matthews and J.T. especially with the cap money we started with. I am not sure the direction we are headed as a franchise but one thing is for sure. We need to be very frugal with our cap and not spend to the limit and we need to guard all of our future 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks. Even if we were to in the future do offer sheets we need those.

My final thinking on the Philly thing is...this was there one year one shot to do this to take their team to another level and they went for it.

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06 Jul 2026 17:41:46
@RLF. It wasn't that Philly was trying to steal him for nothing but cash. There were 4 other bidders from reports and their bid wasn't hugely bigger than the next lowest. But they have a pretty solid looking team that made the playoffs last year and look to be stronger again this year. As far as the hard feelings with the players.

I think players know there are certainly going to certain Tiers for salaries as it always has been but could have more separation moving ahead. Carlsson's contract is 17% of Philly's cap, not that much more than Matthews 15% of the Leafs cap at the time when he signed his last contract.

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06 Jul 2026 18:12:59
Suffering. What I meant by "steal for cash" was that this wasn't a trade nor was he a UFA. Those are the normal paths to acquire a new player you don't draft. He was a RFA under Anaheim control. To my knowledge, no one has confirmed Dregger's 4 other team offer sheets submitted. Regardless, Freidman also reported that Carlsson was looking for about $15M. Talks had stalled with Anaheim, but there was lots of time before the season started and I am sure Verbeek was hoping for extra time to get a deal fair for the player and the team moving forward.

Philly went waaay above Carlsson's ask. That is what I mean by steal a player with cash. They didn't offer his ask, they offered $3M more per and only 5 years.
I am sure no Leaf fan would have been happy if another team offer sheeted Willy at say $9M when he held out or the year when Marner held out until camp, on July 1st someone offer sheeted $14M.

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06 Jul 2026 19:04:23
@Henry77 I usually support your posts but for you say Briere should be barred? He did nothing at all illegal and dud due diligence to put his team in a position to be able to do that offer sheet. I repeat nothing illegal whatsoever. It’s not like he went looking for employment while already employed by another team and got suspended for a year or ran illegal private combines and cost his team a 2nd round and a 1st round pick by doing so.

He didn’t get barred. Nooooo he got a high paying job right here in Toronto.

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07 Jul 2026 11:57:25
I see what you did there 😂🤣😂

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