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04 Apr 2020 18:08:28
Major Trade:

Leafs trade:
Marner + Reilly

Florida trades
Ekblad + Huberdeau + Owen Tippett.

Leafs trade Johnsson + Anderson + Kerfoot + Korshkov

to

Sabres for Ristolainen + Ulmark + Reinhart

Huberdeau Tavares Kapanen
Hyman Matthews Nylander
Robertson Reinhart Mikheyev
Clifford Engvall Spezza
Forwards:$52. MM
Dermott Eckblad
Muzzin Ristolainen
Sandin Holl
Defense: $24 MM
Campbell
Ulmark
Goaltending: $5 MM
Kessel :$1.2
Total: $82.2 MM

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04 Apr 2020 19:14:58
Now that looks like a Stanley Cup winning team. Those top three lines are stacked. And I mean stacked.

I'm not going to worry about the trades themselves. Just going to pick in your lineups a bit.

Dermott as our 1LHD is a bit questionable. I have no doubts he is a top 4 defenseman. Or at least he will be. But right now I think he is at best 2LHD. Asking him to okay 25 minutes a night on top line might still be too much for him.

I love the idea of using Robertson's elc to help mitigate against the cap problems. But Robertson on 3LW is a bit of a long shot. I would love to see him make it right out of junior, but that's not something you see too often, even for the most elite players. Even Marner spent an extra year developing after being drafted

Tippett might actually be good enough to make the team next year. I see you traded for him, but didn't insert him into the lineups. He is an A-prospect for sure, and I would be thrilled to see a lineup including both Robertson and Tippett.

Big moves here HeatDreamer. Ballsy choices for sure. I love that Florida trade. Just don't know if Florida would be willing to swap out Huberdeau for Marner when the difference in salary is so large. You get way way way more bang for your buck with Huberdeau than you do with anyone on the Leafs.

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04 Apr 2020 19:55:50
LGM,

Thank you, Robertson has to go back to junior, he is not allowed to play in the AHL due to age. Move him up.
Dermott and Muzzin can interchange LHD roles, I felt Muzzin would be better with Ristolainen and Ekblad would enhance Dermott.

My trade with Florida was much larger initially.

Marner + Reilly + Anderson

for

Huberdeau + Eckblad + Tippett + Bobrovsky + $3 MM a year

Than the trade for Sabres
Johnsson + Kerfoot + Korshkov

for
Ristolainen + Reinhart, but this raised the Leafs salary to $85.5 MM, above the initial quote of the salary cap.

Go big or go home. Leafs have played 4 years at least with this group. Time to make some changes.

Make the Florida trade or the Carolina trade.
Than add the Buffalo trade.
If you make the Carolina trade, you can trade Kapanen with Dermott (because you receive Niederreiter) for Theodore.

Huberdeau is better than Teravainen, but is Slavin better than Ekblad? Pick your poison.

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04 Apr 2020 20:43:11
You saw Bob this year right? He makes 10/ yr very long term and looked like an emergency backup. If he doesn't improve they will be paying someone 3 1sts and 5 prospects to take that contract.

Freddy is a UFA, Marner is on a bad contract and Reilly is rental+. Teams don't give up long term assets and A prospects for that. Especially not guys like ekblad. If a trade came down tomorrow ekblad for Reilly I wouldn't question Dubas. Reilly may not be resigned for cap reasons and Ekblad is signed to a decent contract longer term.

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04 Apr 2020 21:35:46
There are teams who require point scoring forwards. So I will respectfully disagree with you LL.
There are teams like Buffalo who require forwards for next year. Also, Buffalo has defensemen, that they want to trade.

Columbus traded for 1 year players to go for a Stanley Cup. Winnipeg did that with Stasny. So again I challenge your statement due to History.

So Reilly for Ekblad is acceptable.
The question is what is Marner worth?
Apparently, we have different opinions!

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04 Apr 2020 21:44:56
And, Ekblad is RHD.

It looks almost like Leafs94 was right. The plan is to let Reilly go after next year.

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04 Apr 2020 22:09:01
Right LeafsGM I think if the league give out a compliance buyout and they rid themselves of bobs contract this is a very real trade but in their own division it would be hard to say they would do it.

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04 Apr 2020 17:38:03
Tor: Andersen
Cgy: Anderson
( keep in mind my offer a year and a half 2 years ago that got roasted was Andersen for smith and tkachuk. Saying Toronto overpaid.


Tor: 2021 3rd b prospect
Van: demko

Tor: marner
Chi: nylander, debrincat 2021 1st

Tor: kapanen johnsson dermott
Edm: bouchard and Larsson.

Leaf lineup

Nylander Matthews nylander
Hyman tavares debrincat
Micheyev spezza kerfoot
Engvall goat brooks

Reilly Larson
Muzzin holl
Sandin Anderson

Lily bouchard in the waiting room.

Run the demko campbell combo and run who is playing hot.

This lineup looks a little more well rounded to me. We r a little riskier in net but I'm not an Andersen fan anyways. Our defence looks a lot better and we lose 3 wingers and bring in 2. We should have a little more play with the cap after this as well.

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04 Apr 2020 18:05:56
I can see why you were roasted back then. Side note on garbage ideas and post they seem to stand the test of time! Garbage back then and they are garbage now. Thanks for the read.

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04 Apr 2020 18:34:24
Andersen for Smith and Tkachuk. That would have been sweet. I don't know if I roasted you over that one or not. I hope not. But if that deal went through it would have been the steal of the decade.

Anderson is UFA, which is the main reason I don't think you would get a roster player like Andersson from Calgary. Andersson is a good young defenseman that Calgary has locked up for quite a while yet as his contract expires RFA status.

They also have a whopping four UFA defensemen this year. I don't expect any of them will be returning. Forbort and Gustafsson were only brought in as injury replacement, and Brodie and Harmonic were on the block a year and not expected to come back already.

Maybe if you added Dermott or something and took another piece back it would have more appeal for them. I'm not sure.

I guess the other question is, do they really need a goalie? Talbot needs re-signing, but he is a lot cheaper than Andersen. And Rittich still has a year left. Calgary only has $5.5 invested in their goalies. That's pretty sweet considering they have both been performing pretty good.

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04 Apr 2020 19:26:56
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning HoundDog? You seem to be in a surly mood today? Quarantine starting to get to you. Lol.

I like this site more than any of the other sites that I go one simply because this site has a good crew of regular contributors. We have our differences, but for the most part there isn't a lot of trolls on here just calling each other Homers. Every now and then we get a drink or two from the main site on here. But that's because the main page forum is so dead. Gee I wonder why? This site gets A LOT more posts on a daily basis than the main page, and there is good reason for it.

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04 Apr 2020 20:44:11
Closing the pot shops. LHD is in full panic now lol.

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04 Apr 2020 06:06:38
Leafs trade Kapanen
Flames trade 1st, conditional 1st*
*If Calgary wins cup either this year or next year

Squeeze them for that extra pick. Lol

Calgary only has two forwards that are right sbots. They would very much love to add a right shot forward to their offense, and Kapanen fits the bill good. Kapanen is a good player and on a good deal. He would be a cap casualty for us, obviously.

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04 Apr 2020 13:54:26
Looks like your on the red Kool-aid this morning!

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04 Apr 2020 16:06:43
Why does the Kool-Aid have to he red?

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04 Apr 2020 17:19:10
K then, blue Kool-Aid and I assume this move puts Calgary over the top? Listen FlamesGM oops I meant LeafsGM Calgary has Lucic and for that reason alone they won’t win the cup! I won’t go any deeper into Calgary’s picks. Actually I will go deeper from your assessment we would get a second 1st round pick so 1/ 1st and possible 2nd if they win the cup. What would We get in the bottom 5 slots that we couldn’t get in the second round. Please remeber Dubas the lunch pale loves 2nd round picks. Plus would Those picks be better than Kapanen? There’s always a possibility I guess we fluke one.

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04 Apr 2020 18:16:29
It's a cost cutting move HoundDog. Lol. That would be the only reason to make this move. I'm expecting Dubas to guy our depth now and Kapanen is still the most logical (imo) guy to go.

Its my day off. So it ain't Kool-Aid I'm drinking today. If you start seeing some strange posts on here tonight you know why now.

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04 Apr 2020 18:42:03
Leafs drafted Robertson in the first round. One thing Dubas is good at is evaluating talent. His draft record so far is pretty darn impressive. I'm not the biggest Dubas fan, and I've been heavily criticised myself for being so critical on him. But even I think Dubas would be able to pull out a good draft pick with that first. We don't have a first this year, and we didn't have one last year. I'm not sure what the status of next year's first would be.

This trade as presented is flawed though because I said this year or next year. Trade deadline is passed. So the trade would have to take place in the off season. So Kapanen wouldn't be on Calgary this season for then to win the cup. So the conditional pick would have to be contingent on something different. Maybe Calgary wins the cup next year or Kapanen scores 20g/ 40p. Something like that.

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04 Apr 2020 05:39:16
Tor gets
Hossa LW/RW LTIR
Crouse LW

Arizona gets
Bracco RW
Gauthier C

Tor gets
Demko G

Vancouver gets
Stotts C
Rasenan D
Boothillier G

Toronto signs Hamonic 3 years 4 million per year
Toronto signs Gudas 3 years 3.5 million per year

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Nylander
Kerfoot/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Spezza/Kapanen
Crouse/Engvall/Mikheyev
Extra: Robertson & Korshkov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic
Muzzin/Dermot
Sandin/Gudas
Extras: Holl & Rosen

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg
Extra: Demko

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04 Apr 2020 16:38:10
If Vancouver re-signs Markstrom, then Demko could be on the block. I don't see how they can keep both on the team and make the both happy. Maybe for a year, but then one of them would be demanding a trade.

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04 Apr 2020 18:48:36
I forgot the Leafs even drafted Bouthillier. He isn't working out so hot in junior though. I don't think he has much rubbish at making the NHL. But goalies are so unpredictable. You never know exactly what you have with them. For all we know, he could be our Binnington just waiting for his chance.

Someone posted on here not too long ago that Leafs should think about drafting a top goalie prospect with our earliest 2nd round pick we have this year. I don't think it's a bad idea at all. It looks like Dubas has his heart set on re-signing Andersen, which would pretty much take him to the end of his career. So we need to draft and develop a replacement for him starting now. Goalies take a lot longer to develop than any other position. If we draft a goalie this year, it could easily be five years before he is in the NHL. What your thought on that one HoundDog?

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03 Apr 2020 21:47:30
Leafs trade Hyman, Johnssom
Nashville trades Arvidssson

Arvidsson is not being used efficiently in Nashville. He was only averaging 16 minutes ice time this year. From both coaches. I don't know if he is in the dog house or what. But Nashville must feel like they don't have a contending team right now. A big trade there wouldn't surprise me, and Arvidsson is looking like the guy that is the odd man out. This trade gives them two good top six forwards back.

Leafs save money, and bring in a 30 goal scorer on a good contract.

Arvidsson/ Matthews/ Marner
Mikheyev/ Tavares/ Nylander
Engvall/ Kerfoot/ Kapanen
The rest of the guys.

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03 Apr 2020 22:28:52
Not sure that's enough to get it done with Hyman being a rental but it's a good target. Kappy maybe instead of Johnson.

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03 Apr 2020 22:53:00
Hyman is basically a 30 goal on good contract. or at least he was on pace for it. maybe give them kapanen instead of hyman.

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04 Apr 2020 00:24:44
I wonder what Hyman will get. I bet he doesn't get more than $6 on the open market. Which seems a little unfair seeing how he does a lot of the work for his line and he is hitting numbers like Nylander was when he signed for $7. He's not seen as being as skilled, just harder working. Which imo means he should earn more.

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04 Apr 2020 01:20:04
Why don't they extend hyman for 4 years at $4 mm.


Marner + Reilly + Engvall + 3rd pick for Slavin + Teravainen + Niederreiter.

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04 Apr 2020 01:45:03
Hard to say what he gets. Top line grinder that scores 30 will get 7-8 from someone. Look what schenn got.

Other thing though Nylander is younger. Signing a 22 year old coming into his prime to 7 is different than a 28-30 year old.

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04 Apr 2020 04:07:34
Hyman can do far better than 4/ 4. At his age this is Hyman last payday he will want long term. If your giving him 4 it has to be on an 8 year deal with the max allowable in signing bonuses. Even then he can probably get better but may do it as a favor.

That isn't a good trade. Marner can get something decent on his own and Reilly cap hit vs his play he is worth a helluva lot more.

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04 Apr 2020 05:49:19
HeatDreamer

You have food taste. Slavin is having a fantastic year. He's an elite defenseman that is good in all aspects of the game. He looks like he is turning into a future Norris trophy candidate. And Teravainen is great too. Not Mariner's level, but he would make an adequate replacement for sure. And both these guys are on fantastic long term team friendly contracts too.

Is it worth the downgrade at wing and defense to take on the extra depth Neidereitter? Given the cap flexibility this trade provides us, I would say yes. I can see Teravainen squeezing out an extra dozen assists and maybe even a few more goals playing beside either Matthews or Tavares. That would put him on par with Nylander. That's still a very potent offence. We can trade Neidereitter after to save cap it needed.

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04 Apr 2020 12:44:09
LGM,
Leafs blow up the bottom six improves on Defense.
Follow up trades:
Kapanen + Johnsson for Theodore
Dermott + Kerfoot+ Brooks for Sanheim + Frost
Anderson for Reinhart + Ulmark


Hyman Matthew Nylander
Teravianen Taveras Neidereitter
Clifford Reinhart Mikheyev
Robertson Gaulthier Spezza
Forwards: $52 MM

Slavin Theodore
Muzzin Sanheim
Sandin Holl
Defense:$22 MM

Ulmark
Campbell
Goaltending: $5 MM
Kessel
$80.5 MM.

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04 Apr 2020 16:31:18
Oh boy. Now you're going too far. Lol. That buffalo trade is a beauty. If Buffalo did that, their gm would be fired. Lol. Reinhart alone is a huge overpay for pending UFA goalie Andersen.

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04 Apr 2020 16:33:32
So I got digging in Nashville's situation a bit more. Seems the ice time has been consistent between both coaches. So now I'm wondering if the gm is leaning on the coaches to ice the team in the way he wants it?

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03 Apr 2020 12:58:36
Tor: marner Engvall
Min: Dumba greenway 1st 2020

So here's what I've been thinking about at some point the leafs will have to move one of these big contracts and the fact is I don't think at the price point there's not really a market for him and Matthews is the face of the franchise and should be kept as long as possible. But what I was thinking about most is look at these three teams

Boston Tampa Colorado

What these team have in common is that they all moved big named player from their club and they were able to balance their rosters and build true contenders the players are Seguin Drouin and Duchene I think the leafs need to go this route as well. What's everyone's opinion on this

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03 Apr 2020 16:53:05
If we go back a few years Boston has traded away a few talents in order to spread the wealth. What Boston also has that we do not though, is the culture of everyone taking a pay cut for a better team. McAvoy said publicly at one point that Bergeron and pastrnak both told him everyone takes less and they always compete. Compare what Boston one line does to Toronto it seems even. Then you compare what Marchand, Bergeron and Pastrnak make to Mathews, Marner, Tavares and it seems extremely lopaided.

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03 Apr 2020 17:50:19
For sure but one way that may change that (probably not) is to maybe make a trade like this and show these guys coming up that you maybe a talented player but we can still trade you.

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03 Apr 2020 18:12:29
I agree. Trading Nylander would have made a line in the Sand. Everyone knows I am a big fan of Nylander but I would rather have traded Nylander and had Marner at 7 or 8 where he should be.

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03 Apr 2020 19:31:52
You know what, you're absolutely right. And not just these teams either. Chicago traded away a few guys like Byfuglien and Saad over the years and were able to keep winning. Edmonton traded away Gretzky and won the cup again still. It is what it is. Most players do get traded. And even though Dubas promised Nylander he wouldn't get traded, he never made the same promise to Marner or Matthews. The more I think about it, the more I think one of them will go. We can't possibly afford to keep the team together now that the cap might barely go up the next two years. Do we lose Andersen and Reilly both or one of our high priced forwards?

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03 Apr 2020 21:17:33
ok. so to start I like the return from the Wild. and I agree that Marner should be the one to go as he is making the bigger cap hit and he and Nylander are similar style players. problem is I don't think the Wild go for this based on what the media told us about them wanting a centre…. and I think Nylander would be the guy they would prefer. both from a position standpoint and cap price. Dubas made 2 big mistakes that could have avoided this issue. not signing Tavares is the 1st one. and like LeafsLife said. had he strong armed Nylander by either trading him or having him hold out. the others might have fell in line with lower caps (Mathews and Marner)

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03 Apr 2020 21:25:38
Or do we guy the depth?

I bet Dubas guts the depth.

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03 Apr 2020 22:30:49
I'm willing to bet he guys the bottom 6 as well. Could be Kappy, Johnson and Kerfoot gone soon.

They wanted a 1C for Brodin or Dumba. Clearly not one else agreed so they make take less.

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04 Apr 2020 00:38:26
Even if he guts the depth though, he has to bring in replacements. So how much does he really save by trading a few guys making $3M each and bringing in guys at league minimum? If he trades the whole trio of Johnsson, Kapanen, Kerfoot and replaces them with guys earning league minimum, that's only about $6.5M saved. That's only about enough to cover Reilly and Andersen's raise. He still has to deal with the other guys coming off their elc the following year (Sandin, Liljegren), plus Hyman's new deal. Is the cap going to go up enough to cover their raises after?

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04 Apr 2020 04:08:54
As the cap goes up Sandin and Liljigren will want more as well. Dubas kind of backed himself into a corner here. It's either Marner or Nylander+ Kapanen and replace them with league min guys.

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03 Apr 2020 02:52:28
Tor gets
Wilson RW
Vrana LW
McMichael C

Washington gets
Nylander RW
Liljegren D
Bracco RW

Tor gets
Kassian RW

Oilers gets
Kapanen RW

Toronto signs UFA's
Gudas D 3 years @ 3 million per year

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Wilson
Vrana/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Kerfoot/Kassian
Engvall/Spezza/Mikheyev

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Gudas
Muzzin/Holl
Sandin/Dermot

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03 Apr 2020 12:21:19
The first deal you’re not even really close but I think if you add a kapanen to that and a better prospect than Bracco you may peak there interest.

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03 Apr 2020 16:54:16
Don't want to lose Nylander right now on his upswing. Send them marner.

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03 Apr 2020 19:33:21
Wilson and Kassian both? Maybe we can bring Kadri and Kane in too and see if we can break the record for suspensions in a year for one team.

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03 Apr 2020 00:56:29
How about this for an idea,assuming there is a compliance buyout and Devils could have 2 candidates...Subban & Schneider..

Leafs trade:
Kerfoot
something else maybe

for:
Zacha & Schneider

Leafs could buyout Schneider....then sign Demelo...we could then maybe trade Andersen to the Hawks who will need a goalie next year as they have none signed for Murphy

D looks like this
Rielly/Murphy
Muzzin/Holl
Sandin/Demelo/Liljegran

we could then try to sign Lehner or trade for Murray in Pittsburg as they don't need him there with the 2 young kids

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03 Apr 2020 02:13:42
I like your thinking. Even if not these targets it's a good thought. Use cash at Dubas disposal to buyout others for payment. Not sure how compliance buyout will work though. Have to wait and see on that end.

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03 Apr 2020 04:05:33
How about this for an answer No! Lol!

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03 Apr 2020 19:36:51
I see what you're getting at. We don't really have anyone to buy out, so if someone wants to pay us to buy out their player, that's not a bad idea. It would be similar to the Washington/ Colorado deal a few years back where Colorado got Grubauer for taking on Orpik's contract. Or what the Leafs did this year with Marleau. It's a great idea. I like it a lot. Maybe not this exact trade like what you have here, but something along those lines would work. It's one of the best ideas I've heard on hear in a while actually.

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03 Apr 2020 21:26:41
Hey Formerly LHD. care to explain why NO?

thanks for the comments LeafsGM and LeafsLife…. have thought of the compliance buyout for a while and was just looking at teams that might have more than 1 guy they would want to get rid of and Jersey came to mind. I don't know much about Zacha to be honest but have seen his name on this board a lot lately and he is a cheaper hit that Kerfoot. Murphy has a decent cap hit and is steady defender as is DeMelo…. but after running the numbers to have all these moves I was only left with about 4mil for Murray and that was not counting a percentage for buying out Schneider. so other than that I think being able to add a Zacha or a another cheaper option than him as 3rd line centre might work. maybe just a high pick from Jersey and we sign Joe Thornton for 3rd line centre and pick up Demelo…. not much can be done without trading a core 4 guy if cap stays flat.

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04 Apr 2020 00:33:37
Don't forget Dermott and Clifford (if he's back) need re-signing too. They both will be getting raised because LA retained half Clifford's salary and Dermott deserves it now that his elc is finished.

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04 Apr 2020 01:47:37
Compliance buyout may have a stipulation that is needs to be a guy on your own team the previous year though. Same you just guessing as well. I like the idea a lot just not a huge fan of zacha. Taking someone like Bobrovski and buying them out if FLA is giving up on him though would net you at least 2 1sts maybe even a few prospects thrown in.

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04 Apr 2020 01:48:56
Another target could be someone like carry price. Maybe he's willing to take a buyout and re sign with MTL if allowed. Or OEL I'm sure they would like to get away from that cap hit.

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04 Apr 2020 03:38:56
I would trade Dermott. we'd have Rielly. Muzzin and Sandin on the left. Dermott and DeMelo might be close in skill wise but would prefer DeMelo as he is RD and played over 20 minutes each night against top lines. Dermott was just starting to do that but as he is LD he is over kill. as for Clifford don't care if he's back or not but Leafs will definitely have to get rid of Johnsson and Kerfoot IMO to upgrade the defense.

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04 Apr 2020 04:10:22
That's the hard part loxley. Marlies are empty. Replaces Kapanen and Kerfoot isn't easy I'm not sure how he plans on doing it.

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04 Apr 2020 18:55:16
Leafs paid a first just to unload one year of Marleau's contract. And it cost Washington Grubauer to unload one year of Orpik's deal. So unloading Bobrovsky would be a hefty price for sure. Speaking of Price, I'm not sure if he would be allowed to re-sign with Montreal right after they just bought him out. I think there would be a wait period before he would be allowed to re-sign with the same team, same as with a regular buyout. On the other hand, if No freak bought Price out, would he be a better signing than Andersen?

Montreal buys out Price. We sign him, then buy out Andersen?

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