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26 Feb 2017 16:38:23
CHI - Kruger, Tootoo, Pokka, 3rd
TOR - Polak, Valiev, Gauthier, Soshnikov, 2nd
Leafs get their 4C stabilized for the next 2+ seasons, plus a top D prospect. Hawks get cap relief and at or near NHL-ready depth, plus Polak. None of the prospects from leafs are likely to be big picture pieces in TO. Kruger is much better than Goat, both offensively and especially defensively. I know people like Sosh, but if we keep him, who of Marner, Nylander, Brown, Leivo, Kapanen does he take a spot from past this season?
Center and D are the 2 biggest problems in TO, and this could help with both moving forward.
1.) 26 Feb 2017 17:58:32
Valiev has the potential to be a top four d down the road,
To Hawks:
JVR @ 50
Froese
To leafs:
Kruger
Pokka
Schmaltz
2018 1st.
20 Feb 2017 18:51:26
CHI: Kruger, Tootoo, 3rd
for
TOR: Gauthier, Soshnikov, Polak (1.25m ret.)
Leafs get an upgrade to their 4C position and a 3rd. Tootoo joins Milan Greenlaich in the realm of forgotten souls. Hawks get a former 1st, defensive depth, a decent bottom 6 winger and some cap space.
Why? Leafs obviously need an upgrade at 4C. With Leivo Kruger and Martin, Leafs could have one of the best 4th lines in hockey. Chicago gets depth and cap space for another run.
1.) 20 Feb 2017 20:21:10
Hawks fan? Kruger is 3.1 million for 25 points a year?
No thanks I will keep the goat and definitely sosh for that garbage you propose.
19 Sep 2016 16:21:38
Credit to Jamesvanhockey for putting this idea in my head.
TOR - JVR, Corrado and/ or 2017 2nd
NSH- Ryan Ellis
NSH has the cap and contract space to fit this. Leafs have up to 3 (conditional) second rounders, so can spare it. Ellis has top pair potential and his contract alone makes him stand out against a lot of other RD options (3yrs@2.5).
Thoughts?
1.) 19 Sep 2016 20:20:10
I would love Ellis on the leafs but not for that much I'd want Ellis ++ for JVR alone, JVRs a lot more proven I think if we offer JVR + for someone like trouba or lindholm would be a great trade, we get someone young and full of potential and are currently good as well, but I'm not big on trading JVR I want to see how he plays with matthews and nylander or even marner
2.) 20 Sep 2016 02:30:28
Adding another Dman means we lose carrick in expansion draft. stay the course, add next year
3.) 20 Sep 2016 03:31:10
yeah I don't think Toronto would give up JVR for Ellis. It would have to be a very highly rated RHD for me to think they'd trade him. For Ellis I could see something like Marincin/Corrado, Hyman/Lindberg, and like a 2nd or 3rd.
10 Sep 2016 21:50:28
Here's what I've got, and I'll explain after:
TOR- Gardiner, Bozak
CAR- 2017 1st, 2017 3rd (NJ)
TOR- JVR, Loov, 2017 4th
VAN- 2017 1st, Tryamkin, Burrows
CAR instantly improves 2 areas of weakness, D (there's nothing behind Hanafin and Faulk), and C.
VAN adds scoring, a decent D prospect to replace Tryamkin, and a whatever pick so they at least have 5 in the draft next year.
TOR would wind up with 3 1st, 3 2nd, and a 3rd in next years draft, which would give them more than enough firepower to trade for a top RHD come draft time. Tryamkin has some promise as a huge young RHD with a cannon of a shot from the point (still needs to adjust to NA ice size) down the road. Burrows had to come for cap issues, but he could be relegated to the press box all season for all we care, on last year of contract. This trade drops 2 contracts from our 50 limit, and sheds a ton of cap during/ after the season to go fishing in free agency next summer and/ or to make deals come draft day.
Let's hear what you think.
1.) 11 Sep 2016 02:45:07
I can see Vancouver giving up their 1st as the twins are nearing their production decline. Tryamkin may never deliver offensively, but that may not be a concern. Burrows should come here to coach.
I'm not sure Carolina will give up a 1st unless they determine they are not in a rebuild. Gardiner is the prize and it's possible they may want to push now.
The deal might be a little light initially for the Leafs, but they have replacements ready within the year; Dermott and Neilson.
Good deals; just need to convince Carolina to give up it's 1st.
2.) 11 Sep 2016 07:00:43
Carolina has two 2nd's and two 3rd's at the next draft, so losing the 1st and a 3rd isn't going to hurt as much.
Also, I was basing these trades on the thought that even though the leafs should improve this year, it's still likely to be a bottom 10 finish, and these are moves for the future.
3.) 11 Sep 2016 07:01:36
Yeah I don't see either of these two trades actually being done, but I do think they're both reasonable and wouldn't mind seeing this happen.
4.) 11 Sep 2016 07:44:30
Teams just don't trade 1st round picks anymore! Especially teams in the lottery position like the Canucks and the Hurricane. Change the 1st rounders to 2nd rounders and the chances would be more realistic.
5.) 11 Sep 2016 15:29:17
Sid, Arizona, Boston, Anaheim, Winnepeg, and Carolina all had 2 1st Rd picks at the last draft, so yes, teams do trade those picks.
Another point regarding Carolina, they finished with the highest number of overtime losses in the league last year at 16. They were a competitive team that just wasn't good enough to finish games. Adding a decent 2/3C who's defensively responsible and good for 40+ points a season as well as a legit top 4 Dman would probably be enough to push them into a wildcard spot.
Van on the other hand, with Benning at the helm, I just don't think it would be too hard to take advantage of them and get that pick. They still think they have a window and act accordingly.
6.) 11 Sep 2016 15:49:57
Carolina is actually strong on D talent in the system, and they just drafted J. Bean this year as well. They are weak at forward. Not sure they make that trade.
Neither deal seem too appealing on either side. If the Leafs acquire a 2017 1st, I would flip the lesser of our own and that pick + a prospect for Trouba.
7.) 11 Sep 2016 15:59:54
I can see JVR being dealt eventually but he's young and he has one more year left on his team friendly contract. Would Vancouver give that up for him? If they do good deal for the Leafs (especially if Vancouver becomes another lottery team).
The Carolina deal is interesting but I honestly don't see the Leafs giving up on Gardner. He's blossoming under Babs and would only work if Carolina becomes a lottery team again. Bozak is a terrific fit and should go for a 2nd and 3/4th pick by himself. Our weaknesses are specifically on the defensive side so I don't see Gardner being dealt anywhere. Good post.
8.) 11 Sep 2016 16:46:37
Wonder if Vancouver would be crazy enough to trade Juolevi instead (minus the 4th)?
9.) 11 Sep 2016 17:19:53
So the Leafs should get rid of Bozak and JVR and go with nothing but kids without vets to help them our? What a dumb idea.
10.) 11 Sep 2016 18:10:53
Faulk, Hanafin, Fleury, Mckeown, Slavin, Pesce, Bean.
I would say that is one of the better defence/future defence corps in the league.
11.) 12 Sep 2016 20:30:35
@DBF - so Hunwick, Polak, Laich, Martin, Greening, Komarov, Lupul and Michalek don't count as veterans?
29 Jul 2016 00:41:52
A simplified version of an earlier post:
COL: Landeskog
TOR: JVR, V. Loov, T. Lindberg
Leafs get an immediate 1st line LW replacement for JVR, who's also 5 years younger and on a good contract. COL gets a grittier LW who's more in line with Roy's preferred style of play. Loov and Lindberg are decent prospects who compensate for the older age and shorter contract of JVR, and also keep the cap hits even for both teams. Also let's the leafs shed 2 SPC's against the 50 limit.
1.) 29 Jul 2016 04:38:32
I like it.
2.) 29 Jul 2016 14:06:06
JVR is not more gritty than landeskog. JVR is big speed winger with skill but he won't be intimidating anyone out there or winning battles on strength and aggression.
3.) 29 Jul 2016 16:14:26
You have to wonder what is wrong with Landeskog is COL wants to trade him. He's their captain and very young. definitely some question marks there
4.) 29 Jul 2016 19:26:08
Has it been confirmed they actually want to trade him? I think he would be a great get, maybe even do JVR,corrado or carrick their choice, and one of lindberg or holland and maybe add a later pick. I would be willing to give up a fair amount as landeskog not only seems to be a locker room guy(by getting the c so early) but also a solid two way player.
5.) 29 Jul 2016 19:31:41
There is a problem in COL, but it's management, not Landeskog.
Regardless of your preference between JVR and Landeskog's play, this trade is more about Landeskog's age and contract. He's locked in for 5 more years at a good rate of 5.25m/y. He's 23, 1st line winger, comparable stats to JVR with more potential upside. He's a fellow swede with leadership experience to mentor Nylander. He has the skills, age, and contract to be yet another core piece to push this team to where we all want it to be. No 1
6.) 29 Jul 2016 23:52:05
I doubt COL would make this trade for Landeskog simply because they are light on LW.
Maybe if you trade Leipsic and/or Leivo instead of T. Lindberg and/or Loov.
Both LW's, Leivo and Leipsic are all but ready for the NHL on the 3rd line.
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10 Jan 2017 15:28:50
This is more NHL17 than reality, but let's have some fun.
First:
TOR - Bozak, Polak (1.65 retained), Corrado
DAL - Oleksiak, Roussel (cap balance)
Leafs get a young, 6'7 LHD who's exp. exempt. Dallas gets depth for their playoff push.
Second, now that we have a new 2nd pair LHD, Gards is expendable, but there's a hole at centre:
TOR - Gardiner
COL - Duchene
Third, the inevitable ANA trade. Now they're pretty screwed on who they are going to lose in expansion. Leafs help out, but at a steep price.
TOR - Nylander, Hunwick, Roussel
ANA - Silfverberg, Bieksa, Manson, M. Jones, 3rd 2017
Any other year this would be terrible value for ANA, but the xdraft cancels that out.
Lastly, the big one:
CAL - Hamilton
TOR - JVR, Ott 2nd
Go ahead and rip/ tweak/ mock/ praise
1.) 10 Jan 2017 22:21:42
Definite no from Colorado. I'd say no from Calgary
09 Jan 2017 14:42:06
If the going rate for Dmen is high right now, does Gardiner get Duchene from COL in a straight up 1 for 1 deal?
1.) 10 Jan 2017 01:16:18
Lol NO
29 Oct 2016 17:29:43
So I don't really understand it, but Dougie Hamilton is currently a 3rd pair logging the fewest minutes of CAL's D corps.
TOR- Polak, Corrado, Lindberg, 2nd (2017)
CAL- Hamilton
Calgary gets 2 3rd pairing D to plug in as needed, a decent prospect who most likely won't find his way into the leafs depth chart, and a 2nd.
Leafs get their coveted young top RHD, and shed a few contracts along the way.
Let me hear your thoughts on this, or what pieces you think the leafs could shed to make this happen.
1.) 30 Oct 2016 04:33:01
A good young dman is going to cost Marner or nylander unless the expansion draft lowers the cost
2.) 31 Oct 2016 12:25:29
Hamilton is going nowhere. they are paying him a little too much, but he is a stalwart Dman who got 43 points last year.
He is what Trouba is not. Talented in all facets of the game.
@Law17 If you can get him for Nylander; then great. I don't like the smurf.
And Marner is not going anywhere, that's blasphemy according to the book of Hunter. If his linemates had been converting his passes from the start, they would be leading the league in scoring now.
13 Oct 2016 04:47:38
Not a rumour, just a happy fan. What a debut for Matthews! Wow. Also, I'd like to point out that he's currently on pace for a 328 goal rookie season.
1.) 13 Oct 2016 13:27:04
Ginja, that's so unrealistic.
More like 168.
26 Jul 2016 21:41:01
Not as flashy as some trades on here, but:
To VAN: LW Colin Greening (30-1yr, $2.65m)
To TOR: LD Nikita Tryamkin (21-1yr, $965k)
LD Brendan Larsen (26-1yr, $1.03m)
For VAN, Greening is a decent veteran depth forward on a short contract who can play up or down the bottom 9 and help cover the annual injury parade.
For TOR, the prize here is Tryamkin, a 21yo, 6'7 dman with a cannon from the point to put in the system. Still adjusting to N. A. style of hockey, should be NHL ready in 2 years. Moving Greening helps alleviate the logjam for wingers with the leafs. Larsen is buried in minors at
VAN, won't play for leafs, just added to balance out cap hits, which expire at seasons end.
1.) 30 Jul 2016 00:11:41
Holy Crap! He's 6'8". He can look Chara in the eyebrows.
Leafs wouldn't be giving up much here. Larsen is a little hard to judge; not enough results, but maybe.
Leafs could do it and save a little cap space. I like Greening, but his days here are numbered.
Good Trade.
2.) 01 Aug 2016 17:05:00
Philip Larsen is 26 and Brendan Larsen is an undrafted 18 year old high school player.
I assume you meant Philip; but the same still stands. He would be good enough for the Marlies.
Nothing to lose here.
10 May 2017 18:24:10
Trades bozak, still has Bozak in line up. Well thought out.
10 May 2017 13:00:02
Hey Buds, Bishop is a UFA. That's why it only cost a 4th, so Dallas could negotiate before July 1.
Manson is still under contract. It's going to take more than a second to get a top 4 RHD.
09 May 2017 14:15:13
Tyson Barrie is NOT one of the top 10-15 dmen in the league. Give your head a shake.
04 May 2017 19:30:51
The gap between Hanifin and Nylander isn't that big, so let's add Kapanen and a 1st.
That's just brutal.
03 May 2017 21:20:48
It would be JVR and another piece for that return, although it doesn't mean it has to be carrick.
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