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11 Aug 2018 22:38:16
William Nylander for Matthew Tkatchuk straight up.

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11 Aug 2018 03:15:35

Matthews / Nylander / Marner / Tavares / Kadri / Panarin: $50 M

4th line / bottom 3 defence all at $1M : $6M

Goalies plus Kessel : $7M

Reilly / Parayko / lilijgren / Dermott : $15M


Marleau back to San Jose. Gardner traded. 3 wingers missing with Hyman / Johnnson / brown and Kapanen also not listed.

Question. Can any combination of Gardner / Hyman / Johnnson / brown / Kapanen and / Marlie's / draft picks secure Parayko and Panarin. And if so, who then plays wing on top three lines with what remains for roughly $4m.

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12 Aug 2018 01:34:44
I don’t think you can secure both Parayko and Panarin with what you are suggesting here. Given the choice, we need Parayko more and should be pursuing him first.

12 Aug 2018 05:41:15
Not really suggesting anything. The cap situation in the end is all that matters and how u win within it. Just wanted to see thoughts. Personally I would be finding 2 steady defence men and leaving the team as is other than what u lose in trades.

11 Aug 2018 03:01:03
OK so let's see where this goes.

Sign Nylander and marner.

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11 Aug 2018 04:44:16
Not even sure how this got posted lol.

09 Aug 2018 22:30:57
3 way trade
toronto ottawa dallas
Toronto gets spezza
Dallas gets ryan and karlson
Ottawa gets 2019 2020 first rounds from dallas 2020 edm 7th from toronto.)

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10 Aug 2018 16:18:07
Dallas would want at least 1 or 2 prospects to go with that.

10 Aug 2018 16:18:18
Sorry Ottawa not Dallas, my bad.

10 Aug 2018 16:47:23
If ottawa waits to long they won't even get this jf they sold karlso without ryan I agree but dallas is ourright taking ryan for them.

10 Aug 2018 23:02:48
LOL so Toronto contributes a 7th round pick and gets Jason Spezza? Sounds legit.

11 Aug 2018 04:48:03
They need to free space and spezza isn't worth much any more.

09 Aug 2018 22:10:56
3rd Round Pick


Two guys that have seemingly fallen out of favour with their respective coaches and I think would benefit from the change of scenery. Helps the leafs with a tough RD that is still relatively young and could vie for a shutdown role. Could be done if Ozhiganov is over-hyped?

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09 Aug 2018 20:59:23
Leafs trade Kadri
LA trades Kempe, 1st

Leafs trade Reilly, Sandin, 1st (LA’s)
Buffalo trades Dahlin, Nylander

Leafs trade Gardiner, Brown, picks/ prospects
Columbus trades Panarin, Carlsson

Leafs lineups next year

Panarin/ Matthews/ W. Nylander
Marleau/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kempe/ A. Nylander
Hyman/ Lindholm/ Leivo

Dahlin/ Liljegren
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Carlsson/ Hainsey

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10 Aug 2018 16:19:39
Ya, Dahlin is like a Matthews but on defence so no Buffalo isn’t trading him.

09 Aug 2018 19:35:46
Center: With Matthews, Tavares, and Kadri filling the top three roles, realistically the 4th line center will only be required for 6-7 minutes a night. Currently on the roster the Leafs have Lindholm, Ennis, and Jooris that can all play center. Lindholm may have the inside track now, however with a good camp any one of the three could earn his way into the 4C role.

Wingers: The Leafs have a good balance of wingers on the roster already with youth and speed being counter balanced by hard working, puck retrievers that work the cycle game in the offensive zone. It would be nice to balance with a young speedy skilled forward and a hard worker that get pucks out to the skilled centers and wingers. Under the current roster, the Leafs would need to acquire a 2LW or 3LW in order to achieve this balance.

Defense: The Leafs biggest glaring hole is clearly on defense. On the left side, as currently constructed, Rielly, Gardiner, and Dermott are above average as a group depending on what partner they are paired with. In 2018-19 Dermott could end up pushing for the 2LHD position which would bode well for the future as it is unexpected that the Leafs could afford to resign Jake Gardiner. On the right side the Leafs have a below average group. Currently on the roster there is no real defense partner to play with Rielly and this represents the one hole that is holding the team back from true contender status. Zaitsev is coming off a below average with injury and illness limiting him to 60 games played in which he clearly was not what he was in 2016-17 when he proved to be an adequate 2RHD and earned a 7 year 31.5M contract. For argument sake let's say he can return this coming season healthy and can reassert himself at the 2RHD position partnering with Jake Gardiner. Ron Hainsey started last year playing solid minutes with Rielly, however as the season dragged on his play dropped off probably from being asked to play too many minutes, especially on the penalty kill. It is imperative that Hainsey's role is reduced to save his minutes for important games in the playoffs where he can be effective.

Goalie: The starting goalie position is filled with Andersen, however the backup role with be a battle at camp this year. The incumbent, McElhinney, provided solid numbers last season, is fondly remembered for taking over for an injured Andersen against Pittsburgh and stoning Crosby to preserve the win in Toronto's playoff clinching victory in 2016-17. Sparks just won the AHL's most outstanding goalie and led the Marlies to the Calder cup with dazzling with a 1.79 GAA and .936 SV%. Pickard did a commendable job as backup to Sparks in the AHL and played in 33 games posting a 2.31 GAA and .918 SV%. He has also appeared in 87 NHL games in his career. The crux of the problem is that all three candidates require waivers to send down to the Marlies and there is significant risk that at least would be claimed.

- The first move would be to sign a 2LW or 3LW that could be the counter balance described above. Depending on his health, I would sign Rick Nash to a one-year contract. He would be an ideal big body that could play up and down the line up when needed and provide what the Leafs need playing with either Tavares/Marner or Kadri/Kapanen. An alternative, if Nash doesn't want to sign in Toronto or retires, is to put Hyman with Tavares/Marner and move Ennis onto 3LW to play with Kadri/Kapanen. This would not lead to the balance on the wings but is cost effective.

- Depending on what we see from the backups candidates in camp I would promote Sparks to the backup role as he proved last year that he has no more growing to do in the AHL. While McElhinney put up very good numbers last year, we need to get more starts out of our backup to rest Andersen for the playoffs. If we can get 25 good starts from the back up that would mean 9 less starts for Andersen and a lot less rubber in the regular season.

- Now the elephant in the room, 1RHD. Next to 1C, this may be the most difficult piece to get and thus most expensive to obtain. Candidates: Petry, Trouba/Myers, Spurgeon, Faulk/Pesce, Tanev, Parayko. Trouba or Myers are probably going to be expensive and Winnipeg wants to win now and thus will require current players and not picks or prospects. Spurgeon is a decent defenseman but is small and not the type of player the Leafs need. Tanev is often injured and it would be foolish to expend too much to obtain him, and can he be trusted to handle top pairing minutes with Rielly. Parayko is exactly what the Leafs need but St Louis and Toronto don't make good trading partners at the moment without Toronto giving up a core piece which Dubas says he won't do. Faulk would be more of a Rielly/Gardiner type acquisition rather than a stay at home big body to complement Rielly's game. Target #1 would be Pesce and a backup plan would be Petry if Montreal retained some salary. Would Leivo, Carrick, Pickard, a 2019 1st ,2020 2nd, and a conditional 2019 4th if Pickard is claimed off waivers be enough to land Pesce?

Trade Chips: Draft picks, Leivo, Carrick, McElhinney, Pickard

Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Nash - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Johnsson - Lindholm - Brown
Extras: Ennis, Jooris

Rielly - Pesce
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey
Extras: Rosen, Borgman, Ozhiganov


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10 Aug 2018 16:25:04
Yes I love this trade, it fits the leafs perfectly, although we are giving a lot up Pesce would be a solid get and would work very well with Reilly, then it leaves the leafs some options to move Gardiner if Ozhiganov proves himself to be a very solid defender.

06 Aug 2018 17:50:52
Leafs invite to camp

Chris Stewart
Antione Vermette
Mark Letsu
Cody Franson

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07 Aug 2018 17:02:00
The team with the best prospect pool by far is Tampa. They have made some incredibly astute trades of late, and Yzermam has to be acknowledged as one of the smartest GM’s in the league right now. They will be competitive for the net decade.

Leafs should model themselves after Tampa, and make some low risk/ high reward trades, bringing in highly rated prospects in exchange for pending UFA’s or aging players that are still useful but expensive (Kadri, Gardiner, Reilly for example) . Our prospect pool is thin, and no matter what web site reviews you read, the only prospect Leafs have in Top 100 is Liljegren.

Win now is great and all, but I’d like to win again later too.

09 Aug 2018 11:32:42

Doing that just sets us back. We can’t go intoa season with JT as our only vet, and the entire locker room being kids. Naz doesn't deserve to be traded and neither does Mo. This isn’t like NHL18 where we can simply trade an ‘85 overall’ 26 year old for a ‘79 overall’ 20 year old, knowing that he’ll grow. We need to keep a stable team together, with a blend of kids and vets and middle-aged players. And these kids (Heiskanen, Makar, etc. ) aren’t guaranteed to ‘grow’ as per se, and it would be more ideal for Toronto to not just go after them. And even if they did ‘grow’, remember, they’ll take 3-4 years to get to the current potential of Naz/ Mo. And, these guys ain’t like JVR/ Gardiner or Bozak, they aren't UFAs. They’re under control for the next three years. And I don’t know how you can at all call them expensive. They (Mo/ Naz) are on two of the best contracts of the league. Mamy people rank them, as well as Fredy, as top20 best bargains.

We ain’t revuilding anymore. This core is still young. Until 2024-2025 this team should be competitive. I couldn't care less if they win two cups within that frame and after that are left with bloated contracts, an old core and a team that is on the brink. What we need is to win. We can’t keep prolonging and saying ‘oh, one day, we willwin’. No. This team is ready. Obviously, we don't need to trade multiple firsts and deplete our prospect pool further, but acquire some cheap rentals (Kempny to WSH is a perfect example of a low risk move paying dividents), and maybe one more dman, and we’re set. No need to shoot oursleves in the foot now to upgrade the ‘prospects’ or the ‘pick pool’. We can't be in a rebuild forecer. Good teams don't have excellent prospect pools. Eventually, the prospects in these pools graduate, and they are the ones that take over the team; thus rendering the prospect pool weak. But who cares? If the team is strong, and is young enough, what's there to lose? No need for a good ‘pool’. A good YOUNG team is what's needed. And when this team ages after its won a couple of cups (hopefully), who cares what happens? We’ll be happy, the core will be happy. that's how PIT fans are now; they know whenthey sighed Johnson he didn't deserve five years. But if he helps this core for the next three years and then falls off a cliff, its fine, because after thise three years, Pittsburgh will be older and not as good.

06 Aug 2018 17:36:39
Projected line up for 2 years from now because I am bored.

Johnsson-Kadri-Kappy Papi

Dermott-Silly Lily


Say yes to the dress or say no if your Momma a hoe

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09 Aug 2018 11:37:17
Hmmmm. Idk.

I see something more like this:

Hyman - Matthews - Bracco
Johnsson - Tavares - Marner
Korshkov - Kadri - Nylander
Grundstrom - Brooks - X

Rielly - Liljegren
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rasanen - Sandin


11 Aug 2018 04:15:12
Nah Korshkov is a bust, switch him and Grundström.

06 Aug 2018 04:31:28
Leafs Lineup 2018-2019

Andersen, Pickard

Reilly, Borgman
Zaitsev, Gardiner
Dermott, Hainsey

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Kadri Tavares Marner
Johnsson Marleau Brown
Ennis Lindholm Kapenen

Logic: Each of the top three lines has a defensive-minded forward to help out the defence. The forward alignment above gives Kadri more o-zone time then he would get on a third line checking unit to maximize his offensive output. Marleau as a result becomes the third line center. Gardiner as second pairing d gets less minutes to minimize his turnovers while saving minutes for Reilly. Please feel free to criticize as you like but Babcock is an overrated, overpaid coach in my opinion who screwed around with line juggling far too much last year which messed up both Marner in the first half of the season and Brown for a good chunk of the season as well.

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06 Aug 2018 16:24:57
Kadri on the wing is interesting. I would suggest putting Kapanen on same line as Marleau and Johnsson just for the speed factor. Otherwise, I like the shakeup.

I have to disagree with your assessment of Babcock. He’s widely considered one of the best, if not the best, coach in the world. He is driven to win, and I doubt he would mis-utilize or under. value any of his players deliberately. He pushes his players to get the best from each and every one of them and doesn’t respond kindly to gaffes in play.


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