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12 Oct 2018 23:05:08
Leafs: Nylander
Avalanche: Makar

Leafs: Gardiner
Jets: Myers, 3rd

Leafs: Leivo
Lightning: Coburn


That's nice D if you ask Me, the best thing we can do to upgrade our Defense is trade Gardiner.

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13 Oct 2018 05:14:31
Trying to float a proposal with Lightening is tricky, because they are public enemy number 1 right now in Leafland. I’ve thought of a ton of trades that would seem to make sense for both teams, but haven’t bothered posting them because I know, for fact, 110%, that I will have everyone screaming about dancing with the devil. I think I’m just going to start posting them anyway. Keep it fresh.

This is a depth move you’ve suggested here. Essentially you are giving away Leivo, who Tampa definitely doesn’t need, and taking on old man Coburn, for whatever reason I’m not too sure, as you didn’t slot him into the lineups.

Coburn seems like he’s been playing forever, so I was a little surprised he is only 33. I like his size. He makes significantly more than Leivo, and Leivo is actually playing for us, while Coburn would have to be used in tandem with Hainsey for us (because they are both so old, lol) .

Leafs pass. Leafs also pass on the Jets deal.

The Makar deal is a yes as far as I’m concerned. Some on this site may say Nylander has more value, but don’t you put listen to them. Makar has more value to us because he fills a glaring need. Together with Liljegren and Rielly, we would have three franchise defensemen on the team for at least the next four years.

13 Oct 2018 08:05:46
No thanks for the Jets. We're not giving you a 3rd on top of Myers for no improvement in player.

13 Oct 2018 10:03:57
Coburn is a depth guy in case Hainsey needs a rest, he is not fast but he can still hit hard and play a good veteran defensive game.

This guy a Jets fan ^.

12 Oct 2018 22:33:00
Oilers Matt Benning

Leafs Johnson

Oilers could be in trouble early and panic will set in fast. Is Benning someone leafs should look at ? Or is he no better than what leafs have with Russian Holl Marincin Rosen and Borgman

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13 Oct 2018 05:23:48
I would say Benning is a slight improvement over those guys David. But we aren’t talking about a significant upgrade here. It’s really hard to say just going by stats alone. I don’t think I’ve ever watched him play. I
And if I did, he didn’t make a standout impression on me. I like his size. And with the exception of Marincin, who is older, Benning has played more NHL games than all those other guys combined.

Johnsson has been unimpressive so far this year, but I think it’s too early to jump the gun and dump him just yet. Our LW is weak, and trading Johnsson for a depth defenseman who may only be marginally better than what we have isn’t a move we should be pulling right now.

16 Oct 2018 18:03:20
What about reworking this to benning a second and a first for gardiner and zaitsev

Lineup becomes

Forwards are the same
Defence looks a little weird but I mean it can't be worse then this year can it?

Reilly dermott
Hainsey ozhi
Borgman/ rosen benning/ holl
Benning holl

It isn't spectacular but we then have 2 firsts at the deadline to aquire a higher quality partner to play with reilly. Which shifts everything. Say hainsey still isn't playing great we send 2 firsts to carolina for pesce add in a mid level prospect if needed and make them take hainsey.

Line up after deadline could be

Reilly pesce
Dermott holl
Borgman/ rosen benning/ ozhi
Benning ozhi

Which is young but could be more effective than what we have now. Keep in mind we should have sandin lyly and durzi coming into their own in the next 1-4 years.

I think the leafs are strong enough up front to be in contention still at the deadline with that defense. We could also look at doing the trade for pesce right after aquiring the pick from edmonton.

12 Oct 2018 22:06:07
Leafs marner

Lightning kucherov

There is no way I support this trade I'm just starting to think Marner is better than Kucherov

Tampa has better defence than leafs but

Stamkos kucherov point miller Johnson

Don't come close to

Matthews Tavares Marner Kadri Kapanan

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13 Oct 2018 05:32:31
Bold move David. You’re a brave man for even hinting at it. Lol.

I can almost see Marner competing for Art Ross Trophy one day. As the set up man for either Tavares or Matthews, he could easily snag 65-75 assists and bang in 25-30 goals of his own.

Too close to tell who’s better at this point. Kucherov is definitely the better sniper. His $9.5M cap hit is something I hope Leafs don’t give Marner though.

I wouldn’t be adverse to making a move like this. Seguin would be another possibility.

12 Oct 2018 15:59:41
I think it was pretty obvious when Tyler Ennis was in Nylanders spot beside Matthews to start the year that it was temporary. The second Nylander signed he was getting that spot back as Ennis was clearly a placeholder. But now that Kapanen has grabbed that spot, I’m not so sure. He’s the same age as Nylander, first round pick, lots of skill (not as much as Willy) and works really hard (noticeably more than Nylander) . At this point if Nylander signs tomorrow I would not mess with those top 2 lines and have him start with Kadri on the 3rd line. Gives Naz someone to play with too. Also Gauthier has looked great as 4th centre since Lindholm went to wing with Kadri, so keep him there.

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Brown - Kadri - Nylander
Lindholm - Gauthier - Leivo.

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12 Oct 2018 02:45:30
People can't stick up for Gardiner anymore..who cares if He knows how to pass and stick handle...hes way to Much of a liability...ive been counting he's got 12 effups This season that I've noticed he has to go...maybe even on conditioning to the marlies or growlers..i was one who always took his side..but i can't knowmore...gardiner to the wings for kronwall and 3rd..

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12 Oct 2018 10:57:50
I've never seen a game as brutal as tonight's from Gardiner. Giveaways, mental lapses, he was absolutely atrocious. If only the Leafs had enough RHD depth to drop Gardiner to third pair and cut his 5v5 minutes. I really want to see a Dermott-Zaitsev pair for a few games, i think that could really be a solid 2nd pair. Marincin was brutal again tonight too, Ozhiganov needs to stay on the ice. Not that he's world's better or anything, but he's flashed potential as a solid NHL player.

12 Oct 2018 19:52:29
I was watching with my father last night and we were both laughing asking why doesn’t management see this?

It’s so funny that bums like us (and all of you) can clearly see this guy stinks, but they don't.

Trade him today before you can’t even get what I always propose for him . doesn’t sound so crazy anymore, does it?

Gardiner + 1st



12 Oct 2018 21:06:57
No. Come on.

11 Oct 2018 19:11:25
Ok I'm starting to get fed up with this Nylander rubbish, I have two words:

If the leafs were to just try and sign Nylander to a bridge deal they could say hey, we'll give you 5.5-6 mill for 2 years and when Marleau's contract is up we can give you an extra 2 mill, deal?

This would also give time for Nylander to prove to management that he is worth paying $7.5-8 million for.

You could say "Oh well it's not that simple", but at least it can't be worse then the current situation right?

The way I see it is Nylander won't back down from his $8 mill ask even if the leafs do continue their hot streak of offence, so the leafs are either going to have to trade him, or get him on a bridge deal.
If they want to give him $6 mill long term then why not just give it to him for a couple of years, it's the same amount of money against the cap but it's just for a shorter period of time. In my eyes it is something Nylander would be fine with taking especially if he wants a longer amount of time to prove himself and wants to be making more money.


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11 Oct 2018 19:22:45
Its funny how this website changes s*** to rubbish.

11 Oct 2018 19:53:59
A bridge deal seems like the only way to go for this to work out amicably, and as far as bridge deals go that one's very generous money-wise. After missing camp and a few games, Nylander's already missed out on being part of the #1 PP unit and will have to earn his place on Matthews' wing, so this season's already working against Willy. He can't wait until December, sign his 1 year tender and think that he'll be in a better position to negotiate again next summer.

He has to know that he's not getting his 8M right now, so Willy has three choices - cave and sign at what Dubas says, sign a bridge or wait until he's traded. A bridge seems like the best choice for all involved. I like it.

11 Oct 2018 22:53:27
The problem with the bridge deal is:

If he has similar numbers to marner and Matthews the next couple of years and AM wants 12 mill and MM wants 10 mil, where does this leave Nylander?

Everybody says Nylanders camp is being greedy but if he signs an eight year contract right now, 8 mil a year in 3 or 4 years might be a steal for the Leafs.

The leafs know this and His agent knows this. This is why a deal hasn't been struck yet.

The other problem here is if Kapanen has a great year, he will demand more being an RFA after this year.

These are good problems to have and why you hope the management team is up to the challenge figuring it all out.

A couple trades might have to happen, we need a great defenceman.

12 Oct 2018 00:37:13
Great idea as long as other changes made as well. Cap issues.

11 Oct 2018 17:59:12
I just want to clear something up for everyone, as I hear a lot of Kadri bad start chatter .

He is playing mostly with Leivo .

Enough said

Put him on a line with some skill and he will produce

Also. Leivo on the PP? Huh?

Am I missing something about this guy? How is he PP material on this team?

Please list our top 2 PP lines, I’m curious if I am missing something (probably am . lol)


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11 Oct 2018 20:01:44
Leivo has looked pretty good playing the half wall on the PP tbh, better than Ennis on the other half wall.

From high to low:


Brown took Johnsson's spot in the slot when Gauthier moved into the lineup. And if Willy Cheeseburger comes back, he would slot into one of the half wall spots on that second PP unit.

But yeah, Leivo's looked good on the PP. I would replace Ennis before Leivo on PP.

11 Oct 2018 20:41:27

Thanks for the response!

Kappanen does not make he cut for 2nd unit?

It just looks like Leivo has stone hands . no abitly to shoot or pass, but I guess there is more to it than shooting g and passing (. I guess .? )

11 Oct 2018 23:27:04
Babs has been using Kapanen right after the PP to try and prevent a momentum swing. It's been working really well so far, i think the shift has been Hyman-Lindholm-Kappy. And they've been great at smothering the other team's rested top line.

And yeah Leivo is weird. He seems to move well with the puck on the wall, but that group just hasn't generated many chances. I'd like to see Kadri in there and maybe Brown in the slot on the first unit, Brown can be fairly opportunistic as a goal scorer and i could see teams falling asleep on him.

12 Oct 2018 10:52:32
Scratch that Kadri thing. The Wings tried hard to take the half wall away, and Kadri was awesome as a bailout option to reset the structure and regain advantage. No PP changes please.

11 Oct 2018 04:07:35
This is not a trade but more of a here is what I think will happen.
Leafs will sign Nylander to a

6 years at 7.3m on December 1st
This will carry a 6.7 cap hit for years 2+

Leafs will save cap space and close to what they want. Nylander gets top dollars for 22 year old on RFA

Ha? Ha?

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11 Oct 2018 04:48:57
it’s not a bad idea. Someone on the NHL affiliated site just explained this to me in detail the other day, so I know exactly what you are getting at here. The longer we let Nylander sweat it, the cheaper that cap hit is for the remainder of the contract after year 1, yes. So if we sign him last day before he loses the season, we could be lowering AAV fairly significantly for the duration of the contract. It’s a smart idea. I don’t think it’s a ha ha at all.

11 Oct 2018 05:47:30
By ha? Ha? I meant what you think like a question not hahaha lol.

11 Oct 2018 16:36:21
Oh. Ok. Lol. My bad.

I think it’s a great idea to let Nylander sit as long as possible. He’s the one losing out. I like your idea here. I think it’s a great idea and definitely shows astute cap management.

10 Oct 2018 14:24:33
Kapanen has looked real good beside Matthews so I think that should be a lock for the whole season. And so with that being said whenever Nylander decides to return I think he should be on Kadri's line. Kadri's line lacks a zone entry threat and they are bad at staying in the offensive zone. And I think we should invest into Nylander because when Tavares' contract is up who's going to play second line center? It'll have to be Nylander.


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10 Oct 2018 17:14:34
We have seven years to invest in a center. My guess is we will be focusing on drafting for that position the next couple years. It’s not just Tavares that will need replacing. Kadri is getting older as well and is not at, or slightly above, the average age of NHL player, which means that once his contract is up, he will be on the down side of his career. It will be difficult to have Nylander shift to center position after having played him on wing for all this time.

09 Oct 2018 16:40:37
This management concerns me, they can't seem to multitask. Its bad enough we lose Van Reimsdyk and Bozak for nothing, but we lose 2 AHL Goalies and get a conditional 7th for Carrick?
Great, we get Tavares which more than makes up for the losses, but you can't tell me we couldn't have got a return that helps us from JVR and Bozak, or something nominal for the rest.
Sign Gardiner, sign Willie Nyllie, then trade them if you need to. Sign Marner and Matthews now, ASAP. No more nothing for something.

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09 Oct 2018 20:13:17
Well aren't we happy now. JVR hurt for 6 weeks, expensive and a defensive liability. Bozak is getting paid 5 mil a year. That eould of worked out well with the salary cap.

Also? Everybody wants to sign and trade Gardiner. His value is quite low right now because of his defensive issues and he will get a modified no trade clause with his next contract. And he wants upwards of 6 mil a year. Good luck trading him.

09 Oct 2018 22:52:08

When you say “his defensive issues” . do you mean that he doesn’t understand the basics of how to play defence?

Like how any skater can go right by him on the boards because rather than play them into the boards (physical) he just waves his stick at the puck (soft) ? I’m not saying he needs to pound the guy into the boards, just angle him into the boards . it’s so simple . When you do this, it will slow anyone down . doesn’t matter who they are or what type of move they put on him . He will be slowed down. That’s the way it works .

Watch for it tonight . guarantee guys go right by him on the boards a few times .

Trade twinkle toes now.

09 Oct 2018 23:00:01
No use signing him. Because that limits the teams we can trade him to. If the deal doesn’t satisfy a potential trading partner, they won’t make the trade. If he’s UFA, we trade him for what he is: a UFA. Leave it for the Receiving team to negotiate with him. It’s a lower return, but gives us more options. We should just dump him on the first team that offers up a 1st and a prospect.

09 Oct 2018 23:16:59
What i mean by defensive issues is:

Your point of lack of physical play ( although that's not the type of player he is) poke checking is a first line of defence but you still need to be able and take guy out if it fails.
Also, he just seems to be a space cadet out there. He doesn't read plays very well and his reaction time is super slow. He makes up for it cause he can sometimes get back in the play quickly. Many times its too late.

I always said he should be a center.

09 Oct 2018 23:38:50
Gardiner has always been a pussy. But this year he seems especially prone to playing soft. Maybe it’s hecause it’s a contract year and he’s afraid to get hurt? Giveaway has more defensive issues than just being soft with guys against boards. My biggest issue is that he can’t seem to play defense, which his job title suggest he should be doing.

10 Oct 2018 08:11:47
Goal : thanks Gardiner, nice change.


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