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13 Oct 2019 01:29:32
I get it now. We all been confused this whole time. Line one is actually Kerfoots Line and Line two is Goat's.

Leafs got lucky. That was not a good performance in a lot of ways and against a really, really bad team at that.

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13 Oct 2019 13:52:02
When you look at the stats, our top 9 guys all have points in 75% of the games. That’s unsustainable. So as our scoring comes back to reality, either Leafs better start playing better defense, or Andersen starts making more saves, or we slowly slide down the standings as we eventually start to fall in line with more historic norms. This isn’t the 80’s and we’re not the Oilers. As much as I love the run ‘n gun game, I like winning more. I understand Babcock is probably letting these guys loose so they learn how to play together first. But he better start thinking about playing some defense before we get knocked out 1st round of playoffs again.

13 Oct 2019 14:39:25
Re-reading that comment, I obviously didn’t say it the way I meant it. What I meant was that at current pace, 9 players on the Leafs are on pace for over 60 points. And 12 players are on pace for over 40. That’s unsustainable. I can’t see basically the entire forward group, plus two defensemen, get over 40 points. That’s more accurate to what I was trying to express.

14 Oct 2019 00:01:43
Lol I meant it more as a joke but I see your point. I don't think Freddy can make more saves on a regular basis. To make the playoffs with this team Freddy needs to start 70 games and play extremely well in all of them to just make the playoffs. No one can play defense for the damn life of them. I already miss Hainsey. Lol.

Your comment about the Oilers is absolutely spot on. That's what this team thinks it is. You can't win 7-6 every night anymore though it just isn't the game anymore. Hutch isn't a bad goalie and if played on the bruins he would be an adequate backup but on the Leafs you need a two starter tandem as anyone less than Freddy will just get lit up every time they play. Detroit is a very, very bad team and they got all kinds of chances.

As you stated and I agree with it is unsustainable. Tavares and Marner won't be on fire like last year every year all the time. Tavares will be a consistent 30+ scorer but you can't just pray you outscore everyone every game especially with such a horrible PK.

Looks to me like Marner on the PP has been figured out by every team going. Need a new plan here because without a deadly PP they are in trouble.

13 Oct 2019 00:50:59
I know its early to talk draft, but if he’s still available, I think Leafs should draft Byfield this year. Big kid who is dominating the OHL at a young age. He has good potential and is a center to boot. All those things I like to see in a player. He could develop into a replacement for Tavares or Matthews if they leave when their contracts are up.

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13 Oct 2019 13:25:34
I don’t think Byfield will be available for Leafs. Lol. Just did some more reading on him, and he’s climbed the ranks so fast that he’s now being considered as sure bet to go top 3 in the draft. That’s way before we will ever get a chance to pick him.

On the other hand, if Daniel Antropiv is still available when we get to pick, he would be a nice target. He’s doing well, looking good. He could be available when we go to pick.

13 Oct 2019 00:49:19
FA signing: Devante Smith-Pelly If Smith-Pelly had a coach like Babcock who pushes their players to play hard Smith-Pelly could be Good on the fourth line Lines after sign:
Kapanen Tavares Marner
Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Mikheyev Kerfoot Moore
Shore Gauthier Smith-Pelly

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13 Oct 2019 14:44:33
We don’t have room for any more free agent signings right now until we start waiving players. I can see a few guys getting dropped soon as Hyman and Dermott comes back. Is Smith-Pelly any better than those plugs though? If he was, Leafs would have just signed him instead. I’m not sold on Smith-Pelly as a player Leafs need. Even if we can get him at league minimum, he doesn’t add anything of value to the team that we already have. It’s not like he’s going to make us any more favorited to win the cup or anything. He would be one of those guys that get cycled every two to three games, which if you ask me, makes little sense. Why pay two or three guys league minimum to play bottom line if they all only play 1/ 3 to 1/ 2 the season? Makes more sense to give the job full time to someone like Kassian, who makes a little more, but can play every game.

11 Oct 2019 18:14:12
The leafs need to switch some things up next game

Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Moore Tavares marner
Mikeyhev Kerfoot Kapanen
Someone Spezza goat

Reilly Sandin
Muzzin Barrie
Holl Ceci

The leafs need marner and jt to get going at 5v5 and the defence has looked really shaky Ceci is literally on the ice out of position for almost every goal maybe a lesser role will improve his game

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12 Oct 2019 00:44:46
Putting Sandin beside Reilly is a death sentence. He isn't ready for a top 2 role yet.

If anyone moves up it should be Mikeyhev. LW is his natural position and he looks fantastic. Let Moore switch sides on 3rd line with kappy.

Ceci and Kapanen aren't the only two to blame. Barrie is better than I expected but he has been caught out of position a few times as well.

This is the team that the leafs have. I think the major hopenis they pull together because right now they just haven't seemed to gel. That's to be expected with so much turnover though.

12 Oct 2019 02:32:08
Thank you for posting a realistic solution to the Kapanen conundrum. He will be returning to the 3rd line in three weeks anyway, so trading him just seems impatient to me. Shifting him to the position where he'll inevitably play for 65 games anyways seems like a great idea to me. Though I would rather see Mikheyev up with 16 and 91, I would also love seeing Moore given a specific role as a forechecker. He seems to be getting a little too excited about his scoring on the third line, and being given a bigtime role but with a short leash could really benefit him.

13 Oct 2019 13:26:39
Tavares is off to a slow start. We should trade him.

14 Oct 2019 04:04:33
Lmao spot on LeafsGm.

11 Oct 2019 01:37:51
Does ceci have value? I personally would rather trade him and give lily a try until dermott gets back. My biggest pet peeve with him is when he dumps a puck in he does this weird non committal glide thing, going about 10-15 feet into the offensive zone and then putting himself out of position regardless of who recovers it. Has anyone else noticed this weird play as well?

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11 Oct 2019 08:39:04
Lili hasn't looked good. That's setting the kid up for failure from the start. You would need to move Barrie to top line not straight outta the gate good luck rookie that was out half of last season on the Marlies! Leafs cannot afford to move any RHD unless one comes back.

This becomes interesting soon though. What happens with Dermott? Does he play third pair or does he get a shot beside Reilly?

11 Oct 2019 17:53:48
I see what you're saying but it honestly feels like anyone would be better than ceci at this point. He's making Reilly look bad as well.

11 Oct 2019 18:17:01
It should also be mentioned that the Leafs have a new coach running the defense, and both top pairs have looked mistake-prone in their own zone. I'm happy to see more controlled breakouts and less wild stretch passes vs. last year, but these breakdowns right in front of Freddy have been brutal. It might just take some time for the players to adapt to whatever Haskoll's trying to get them to do. Maybe his coverage system is complex, and the players are struggling to adapt right now. It's not like anyone is familiar enough with their D-partner to be able to lean on knowing what the other guy's going to do while they continue to iron this new system out.

Just offering a plausible alternative explanation. It's only been 5 games, let's see how this all plays out.

15 Oct 2019 14:18:18
I’m not so sure Sandin wouldn’t be able to play top line. His underlying stats are outstanding. His CF% is 60 for example. He’s playing almost 13:00 minutes a night. I would like to see Leafs move Muzzin to right side again for a few games, and give Sandin the opportunity to play second line. At least to see how he does with the extra time and responsibility. It doesn’t have to be permanent, but a few somewhat meaningless games might not be a bad thought.

11 Oct 2019 01:13:04
Well atleast Andersen is ready for the playoffs, he played like it was a playoff game.

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11 Oct 2019 08:39:53
Lmao. I don't think Freddy gets all the blame there. He let in some god awful goals but he didn't get much help. Leafs look horrible in their own zone every game do far.

11 Oct 2019 17:55:21
I'm just not an Andersen fan. I'm a firm believer at the pro level the defense is not bad enough to have a 750 save percentage in a game.

11 Oct 2019 18:33:23
Just went back and watched again only 2 goals did he have 0 chance on, points tip is on Andersen not squaring up to the tip, you have to respect kucherovs shot, but point just crossed in front of him and stopped a foot to his left. Andersen reacted for a save when the shot was clearly missing the net. Knowing this shot was missing the net Andersen should have power slid to be squared up if point got a tip. I grew up playing net so at my skill level would have done this. At the speed of the nhl probably not but Andersen should know how to play that. The only goals I don't blame Andersen at all for are the one that went off kap and Stamkos goal.

11 Oct 2019 23:38:15
There's some validity to what you are saying but it's much more on the team/ coaching too. Like why was marner doing that faceoff against point. also i'm sure if you were in net you would likely let in a lot more goals than he did. Either way he wasn't good enough tho
goal 1: more on muzzin/ barrie then andersen
goal 2: that's a one timer. where he had to slide across. not his fault
goal 3 : mans shoulda had it but barrie and rielly were terrible there
goal 4: not andersen's fault at all/ what was muzzin doing
goal 5: good tip. maybe shoulda been a couple inches over but he was aligned for the shot and rielly/ ceci can't let point be open right there. also there were bodies in front. i mean ceci skated right in front of his face
goal 6: unlucky bounce. he had a chance but if he didn't move and the shot went off after the pass he woulda gotten it. questionable.
goal 7: barrie shoulda covered the pass and yes andersen had to slide across but if that was a playoff game every goalie should have that

All 7 goals there is someone other than Andersen to blame. Yes it wasn't a great game for him but and he let in some bad goals but its not just on him. The team needs to help too and the team hasn't showed up. I really like Rielly too but him and Ceci were a hazard on the ice. I think Rielly/ Ceci and Muzzin/ Barrie had worse games than Andersen.

12 Oct 2019 01:06:44
Agree 100% Nathan. Freddy always starts slow but as you said all defence pairings look really bad. As Marsbar said above though it's a new system and new pairings. It takes awhile to get going sometimes. Freddy didn't steal the game but most goalies would have let in 5 that game. 2 he probably should have had but the other 5 I'm not sure what the defense was thinking.

Randy I think if you were in net it would have been 15 that went in lol none of us are pros and even the worst Ashler is leagues better than I am or you are.

12 Oct 2019 01:20:43
So I see where you are coming from with the D playing atrocious, they did, but this team isn't supposed to have the best defense in the league I posted just above how much I hate ceci. But from a tenders standpoint.

Goal one- weak rebound that Andersen had to swim for, he misplayed this and point beat him to it. If he hadve played it calm and lined up to the rebound he may have still gotten beat but then that falls more on the defense not putting point on his ass. Which he should have been anyways.
Goal two- I blame Andersen for this one going down on any sort of cross ice movement is lazy. ( there is never any reason to be on your knees when the puck is moved along the point in tight yes) He could have made it across with a t push and still been standing and square to the shooter.
Goal 3 - close your damn legs.
Goal 4 - no chance that's a beauty from Tampa
Goal 5- I went into detail above, but essentially know your net Location and square up for a tip, that is one most fans will let him away with but I'm sure he wants back.
Goal 6- I let him get away with this one, if a puck goes off your man and in that is just some bad luck, they are hard to react to because you are watching their teams positioning for tips to try and get as much of your body in front of it if it happens. With your own guy they always catch you off guard.

Goal 7, I'm not all that upset with his slow slide over to the post, it's been a long night and it happens. But if you are the one that gives it away you better work your ass off to make sure that turnover doesn't lead to a goal.

So I say this game with a goalie on top of their game is a 1, 2 maybe 3 goal outing.

And for if I wouldve let in more than 7 most definitely, but if I was training every day and still dedicating my life to hockey who knows. I know that my old man wouldve reamed me out the whole way home after a performance like that.

12 Oct 2019 22:20:30
I can see where you are coming from as a former tendy as well.
goal 1 was on andersen but as i said before it's way more barrie/ muzzin fault.
goal 2 - okay yea I get that he shouldn't have gone down. fast game and slightest mistake can end up in a goal. like marner being out for that faceoff
goal 3 - yup but my point remains
goal 5 - I'm saying there was almost no chance for him to square up for the tip because of the self screen and if he aligns for the tip and it ends up being a shot he looks stupid.

Anyways, he would surely want to perform better than he did. hoping for more tonight but yea our whole team needs to step it up. Andersen will get into form and when he does if managed properly he is elite and one of the best in the league.

12 Oct 2019 22:16:56
Freddy is an above average goalie but he always gets off to really bad starts to the season. Just how it is for him. Of all things to be concerned about he isn't the one that I am. I agree he didn't play well but most teams don't miss defensive assignments the way the leafs do. Yes we all know they are horrible in their own zone but on a night where he doesn't make every save possible to steal a game they need to play better. I'm a big fan of Muzzin but even he is missing assignments right now. Leads me to believe it's a communication issue either between players or coaching staff. Either way that should level out as the season progresses. Here's hoping anyway lol.

12 Oct 2019 22:40:34
I think on that point tip I'm bot explaining myself quite as well as I should be. You square up for the kucherov shot, but once you realise it's not on net and you know a very skilled player is off to your left you push off and try to meet that puck at the post for the rebound of the boards, which would put him in position for a tip, so either Andersen didn't realise it was missing the net or he just played it lazy assuming someone would clear it whe it came back in front.

I Think point wouldve scored off the end boards even if he didn't get that tip. It was just very poorly played, there is no argument from me that the leafs D has been garbage, but if the plan is to run a run and gun offense we need our "top 5 goalie" to play like one. Again I am not anAndersen supporter.

13 Oct 2019 01:50:10
Yea for sure leafslife!

yea I don't think he saw it due to Ceci skating right in front of his face.

At least tonight he was better for the most part at least.

11 Oct 2019 00:28:20
Poor Freddy. Defense looks really bad sometimes. Barrie better than I thought he would be but still some bad plays in his own end. Same as Ceci.

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11 Oct 2019 23:39:48
I really don't know what to think of Ceci. Sometimes he looks like he has promise in him but then sometimes he looks just terrible. Kinda like roulette to see which one you get.

I've been impressed with Barrie for the most part but hopefully the coaching staff can improve his play in his own end.

12 Oct 2019 01:09:06
That's who Barrie is. It's who he always has been. I think he is better offensively than Gardiner but on par defensively. He is never going to be a defense minded guy just not his style. At best he becomes Reilly. A great offensive defenceman with decent skills in his own end.

Ceci hasn't been nearly as bad as I thought he would be. I think he is playing to far up the lineup for his skill level though.

09 Oct 2019 04:58:59
Anyone who posts trades for "Toughness". Yes I agree it is important. Kassian typed are not the answer though. For over a decade the best fighter has been Chara. He is also (or at least was) a helluva hockey player. For years to come both Tkachuks will be "tough". Back in the day I grew up watching my all time two favorite leafs. Dougie and Wendal Clarke.

They both had more of an edge than Kadri without doing such stupid things. They were not Knuckle draggers. They were people that did whatever was necessary to win hockey games. Two way players that wouldn't take s*** from people that had the heart of the city. Kassian isn't the answer.

Guys like Tavares are. Tavares takes a beating sometimes and keeps on going. Hyman became one of my all time favorite leafs for what he did in the playoffs with the injury he had. I love Nylander and am a big supporter of his but, it's the heart the leafs are missing in certain guys not the "toughness".

Anyone else who watched Gary Roberts and Cam Neely among many others will agree with me that the game is faster and more skilled now but you still only win with those kinds of guys. Throw hits, Chuck the knuckles AND score. Even the 76 flyers had a bunch of damn good players that were very talented. They didn't just throw a bunch of goons out there.

Would love to hear a response from the people that continually say the leafs lack toughness on why Kassian would fit better than Brady Tkachuks father did. Because for the life of me I don't get it.

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09 Oct 2019 22:57:37
Agreed 100%. Johnsson is another guy who's just so fiesty, tenacious and determined that he's frustrating to play against, and doesn't get deterred. Kerfoot and Moore both seem to play like this too. And on D, we've got Muz who's an absolute animal. Being large and being tough/ gritty are two very different things, and too often people post trades involving acquiring large players instead of guys who will hound you all night. I like the hounds we have.

09 Oct 2019 22:58:51
Also I posted that 10,000 word essay on why I love Babcock on your post a few below this one.


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