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08 Dec 2018 22:03:11
Leafs: Marincin, Timashov

Blues: Maroon

Leafs get a depth winger with some size, blues unload an expiring contract for a prospect. Marincin is traded to make room on the roster.

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11 Dec 2018 02:00:22
Sounds easy enough. Except if memory serves me correctly, Maroon took a pay cut from other offers available at the time to go play for hometown Blues. He insisted on the NTC to guarantee he remains there for at least the year. He might waive his NTC since Blues aren’t doing well. Hard to say. Haven’t read much about him lately. He’d be a good deadline add though to give us some grit.

08 Dec 2018 04:31:37
Gordeev is having a pretty good season in OHL this year. Between him and Rasanen, one of these guys just may turn into the next Parayko/ Chara type player we all want so desperately. So which one of these two do you all think has the better chance at making it to NHL?

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08 Dec 2018 20:25:46
Gordeev seems closer today. He's played better than Rasanen post-draft, seems to have more puck-movement skill. He's also from Toronto versus Rasanen who's a Finn. Rasanen only lasted a few years in the OHL and moved back to Europe citing "honesickness" so i don't think he would come back unless he had an NHL job lined up, versus Gordeev who would probably be willing to spend a few years to develop with the Marlies. Gordeev's rights expire this coming summer though whereas Rasanen's rights are indefinite now that he's in the KHL, so i guess we'll find out which of these guys has a future in blue fairly soon.

08 Dec 2018 20:43:04
Would be nice if they both made it. We could put them 3rd line together. Would be the biggest line in the league today for sure. Possibly the biggest ever.

07 Dec 2018 19:46:37
Matthews gets run into the boards and no one comes to his defence ? A little scrum but to support ... wow

Leafs brass should take a good look at this as an example of weakness

Matthews is top player in the league AND a complete China Doll

If players know they can run him with no repercussions, what do you think scum like Wilson and Marchment are going to do?

Give your head a shake

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08 Dec 2018 00:17:40
So your point is? We need to get tougher?

08 Dec 2018 20:27:51
I think Marleau just isn't the guy the Leafs need with Matthews and Nylander. We'll see how it shakes out but in the interest of remaining physical in the playoffs, Kadri or Kapanen or even Hyman would all be better choices than Marleau on that Matthews line.

06 Dec 2018 16:50:07
If stats alone determines a players worth, Kadri would be the first to be traded. He is a minus nine while all other leafs are a positive. At 16 points, what can we get for Kadri?

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06 Dec 2018 18:49:05
Still on pace for close to 25 goals and 50 points. I’ve always said Kadri is being underutilized in that 3C position, that he is really a 2C on most teams. Sure, he’s very good defensively, but is never going to be seriously considered for a Selke Trophy. If Leafs chose to go that route, Kadri’s contract makes him very attractive as well.

I’ve suggested a Faksa for Kadri trade a few times, Dallas adds, and I still think that’s a decent basis. Something along those lines. Faksa having a bit of a downer year himself, so would not be buying high on Faksa and selling low on Kadri either.

Something alongside those lines makes sense to me anyway. We bring in a sound defensively minded guy and some futures. Just my opinion of course. Everyone has there own ideas about what’s best for the team. I hope more people respond to this, because I’m interested to see what others thinking about Kadri themselves right now.

04 Dec 2018 20:52:58
So just thinking about the leafs situation this year they currently sit with 5mil and so change I think dubas will look to add something at the deadline most likely a defencemen but I also know he's not going to force anything. In the off-season if not moved at the deadline gardiner and hainsey will walk basically paying for marners contract. Now we still need to make room for Mathews and my guess is they will move kadri he is now a third line Center yes his contract is great but his numbers have slipped this year yea he doesn't play with as good of players but he does play on one of the deadliest power plays in the league so my thought is that they will resign lindholm for cheap and have goat as the fourth line Center. Also idk but do you guys think it's crazy to think that both liljegren and sandin make the team next year because the leafs won't have a lot of cash to add much just things to look at going forward I think it's going to be a good playoff run this year

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05 Dec 2018 01:37:25
Seems like Sandin and Liljegren are at least another year away after this season. Sandin seems to be well ahead of where you'd expect him to be, but Liljegren seems to be further off. I could see Ozhiganov and one of Rosen/ Borgman resigning on the cheap to man down the third pair, and a vet brought in to play with Reilly. Somebody older and super cheap, probably an Ontarian who's willing to take a pay cut for a cup.

05 Dec 2018 13:09:11
Idk I haven’t really watched much of them but I keep hearing about sandin and how well he’s been playing but I think no matter what liljegren will be in the lineup next year.

05 Dec 2018 20:23:55
I could see Liljegren getting called up later in the year, but the Leafs like to let players overripen, so to me Liljegren stays in the AHL until he's a consistent PPG player offensively and solid defensively and on the PK. They won't rush him.

06 Dec 2018 17:17:15
But I think that has changed with this organization for example dermott and with the state there’s d is in I don’t think they will have a choice.

04 Dec 2018 03:57:40
So. Does Nylander’s contract make him more tradeable, or less likely to be traded?

My answer: a little of both.

Front loading his contract the way it is means that after July 01, his actual salary paid is much less than the $6.9 cap hit. Very desirable to many teams. This, increasing his trade ability.

However, having to pay 40% of his salary within the first 7 months of signing, a whopping 40%, means Leafs will be reluctant to trade him unless is an overwhelming offer.

In the short term, I think the front loaded contract keeps him on the team at least 2-3 years. After about the half way marker, Leafs have gotten their money’s worth (? ) amd Nylander is attractive trade bait.


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04 Dec 2018 05:59:19
I think Dubas means what he says. I don't think Willy gets moved anytime soon. I agree that he would be a very attractive trade chip, but I don't see Dubas making him available. Willy's back.

04 Dec 2018 07:02:24
This was a good contract. I’ll give him credit. He did an outstanding job of holding the line here.

I’m in agreement with you MarsBars. By the time Leafs “get their money’s worth”, Nylander will be coming up for extension anyway. If it looks after 4-5 years we can’t afford to re-sign him, then at least he should be a little easier to move that last year or two of his contract. If it comes to that.

04 Dec 2018 15:26:28
Either way, all options are left open if he doesn't pan out. Kudos to Dubas.

04 Dec 2018 20:38:33
Gotta love the Doobs. As a quick comparison.

Dubas knows he'll have to cut someone and leave a good player with scraps for playing time, so he swaps out Leivo for an ascending AHL talent at a position that fits current and future needs.

Don Waddell knows that Valentin Zykov isn't getting his minutes, so he places him on waivers. Zykov gets claimed by Edmonton, Waddell loses him for nothing. Valentin Zykov, a solid net-front goal scorer who can play both wings. Former AHL goal scoring leader.

I guess in conclusion, Don Waddell is a bum.

05 Dec 2018 16:50:27
Montreal did the same thing with Sherbak. A 1st round pick from 2014 sent to waivers and claimed by LA.

It’s things like this why Carolina and Montreal are non-competitive and Bergevin and Waddell must be feeling nervous about their jobs right now.

03 Dec 2018 20:34:54
Gotta say I like what Dubas has been doing reshuffling the bottom roster a bit. Leivo for Carcone and Nielsen for Klimchuk gives the Leafs organisation two more young, skilled left wingers. Carcone is a guy trending up, and Klimchuk needed the change of scenery which he seems to already be taking advantage of. Sheldon Keefe already seems to be a fan of his. With Marleau's contract ending soon and the questions around eventual raises for Hyman and Johnsson, Dubas has assembled a group of 7 (seven!) left wing prospects at various stages in their development including three guys flirting with a point-per-game pace in the AHL (Grundy, Moore and Marchment). Dubas is definitely playing the long game here, and it's pretty impressive to me.

His next big roster moves will probably involve moving out Brown, who's too expensive to play on the 4th line, and the Horton contract which will help the Leafs avoid cap penalties for the 2020/2021 season. Wonder if he'll try to move them together to just get it done, or separately to maximize his return on Brown. I assume both of these will take place after the season.

Thoughts on what these kinds of trades could look like?

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04 Dec 2018 07:08:03
I think you and I are on the same page as this one. Before reading this post, I just floated two proposals, both involving Brown, for depth players and prospects of various positions and stages of development.

The top 9 is set. And out top 4 defense is practically set. It’s all going to be depth moves, accumulating futures, and maybe a rental at deadline to help insure against injury.

Dubas is doing an outstanding job since becoming GM. I imagine Shanahan is quite pleased right now with his young protege. I know I am.

03 Dec 2018 15:11:18
Someone gets cut from the roster today... who is it?

I think it would be Marincin. He might even choose to terminate his contract and go play in europe. Holl has been quiet i think he's just happy to sit there and collect his NHL paycheque for the first time.

Marincin is the guy to go, it won't be a forward. We have lots of LD depth.

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03 Dec 2018 00:56:02
So, looking at Nylander’s contract, $18M of it, or a full 40%, has to be paid out by July 01, 2019. So, unless Leafs plan on paying Nylander $18M for just over 2/ 3 a season, then Nylander is going to be on the team for a while. That front loaded contract acts a a pretty big deterrent for Leafs to trade him.

I guess both sides got something they wanted. Dubes got his man at the right price. Nylander actually gets an average of $7.5M, but cap hit is lower, so he gets his money. And the structure of the contract gives him some security against being traded for a while.

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02 Dec 2018 05:00:33
You got to think Dubas did an outstanding job here. He got his man. He got him at the price he wanted. He set a precedent not only to other players in the team, but other players and gm’s in the league. These negotiations had much larger imolications beyond just the Leafs. And you really have to give the e tire team team credit. Even with Matthews hurt and Nylander missing, they are playing outstanding hockey. Every single one of them.

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