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29 Jun 2020 22:18:40
So I heard today on the radio(I have to listen to the radio because I can't read)
That a respected hockey guy said he believes for Ottawa to trade for that first overall Pick they would need to send both firsts 3 and 5 overall and a high prospect and a first or second rounder in 2021

So when I mentioned yesterday in a post 3 and 5 and formenton I got roasted by one of you hacks
When are you going to start listening to logic and wisdom when I post?

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30 Jun 2020 01:01:09
First overalls are a funny thing. I can't honestly say I would trade for it anyway. It's risky as you never know if it works out anyway (looking at you EDM) and the price is so high.

Never been a fan of trading up. 2 top 5 better than a 1st overall imo in most drafts.

30 Jun 2020 01:02:02
Obvious exceptions would be guys like Mcdavid, Mathews, etc. But once upon a time guys like RNG and Nail Yakupov were supposed to be superstars.

30 Jun 2020 06:31:22
A line of Lafreniere Matthews Marner would be magical
Tough to pass that up
But also a shot of any combination of Byfield stutzle Drysdale Sanderson is going to be a big help as well
I would even take both dmen
That way when Rielly walks as a ufa we got some backup.

30 Jun 2020 23:39:42
One player can’t win a cup Mcdavid is proven that it would make zero sense for Ottawa to move two elite players for one Maybe if they had more pieces.

02 Jul 2020 03:12:21
There's actually a number of articles out on valuation of draft picks. There's one right now on Pension Plan Puppets in a discussion about Lafrenniere. In it he discusses the value of picks. The value of the 3rd + 5th is actually slightly greater than the value of the 1st overall. So it wouldn't be unreasonable for a team to make that trade. Ottawa wouldn't have to throw in additional picks or prospects either.

29 Jun 2020 20:51:34
The reason I really want the leafs to trade for Domi so bad is because he has everything that the leafs need. He’s physical, can use the body, and he’s a centre which If Kerfoot were to get traded then Domi can easily take that spot and if Johnsson were to get traded he can play the wing. I’ve always liked Domi and think he could be apart of the future and I hope one day he can be a leaf.

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29 Jun 2020 21:59:06
If Kerfoot and Johnson are traded it's for cap reasons. You think Domi takes less money? Doubt it. No reason to trade for Domi when Kerfoot does the same job but plays better defensively.

Also not a fan of Domi attitude.

29 Jun 2020 22:50:54
Domi is an absolute goofball
No thank you
I wouldn’t even trade Marincin for him.

28 Jun 2020 18:34:31
Marner for any teams cap dump
He is on a horrible contract
Leafs need to cut bait now

Matthews for any teams cap dump
He is injury prone and another on a horrible contract

We need to shed these two to remain cap compliant


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28 Jun 2020 21:43:59
Man somebody really stuck something up your pooper today, you're salty.

28 Jun 2020 21:52:33
Lol. I love it when MPH gets all surly.

29 Jun 2020 02:31:55
Hey Mph, if it comes down to Freddy, Hyman and Reilly or trading Marner to keep someone else what's your plan? Cap staying flat threw a wrench in the plans so what do you think Dubas should do? Trade one of MNM? Let Reilly, Freddy and Hyman walk? Lose Kapanen, Johnson and Kerfoot? What's the best plan to you?


28 Jun 2020 09:41:57
Remember prior posts by you all
Matthews is injury prone
Nylander contract is a major overpay
Can we discuss now or do you all realize you were all off the mark...🤡

So the latest delusional comments and posts are trading Marner or Matthews because you know mph they are overpaid

What you all fail to realize is you can't compare current contracts to salary caps of years back when Bergeron or Marchand signed
Get a clue already

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28 Jun 2020 15:50:20
Just because he manages to stay free of injury SO FAR this year doesn't mean he's not injury prone. Two years straight of bad injuries isn't offset by one year where he manages to stay healthy. Give him another full year of playing injury free and we will see. Even Mario Lemieux and Lupol had the occasional year where they could stay free of injury. Matthews has a long way to go in his career. Plenty of time to get hurt again. And again. And again. Lol.

As for Nylander. He is still overpaid. Bergeron and Marchand contracts are not the correct comparables. Those contracts are outdated and those players are the wrong guys to compare Nylander to.

Nylanders comparables are to guys like Pastrnak and Ehlers in Winnipeg. Those guys were drafted same year as Nylander and put up similar, or better, numbers, and are making significantly less. Ehlers is the best comparable actually, and he comes in a full $1M less than Nylander. So yes, Nylander is overpaid compared to his peers. Not as bad as Marner is. But still overpaid. Using Ehlers contract as closest comparable, he is 1/ 6 overpaid (16.66% more than Ehlers) .

Hope that clears things up for you mph. I can see by your posts that you have a lot of questions and seem confused about a few things lately. I know you're not shy. So don't be afraid to ask again when you are a little bit lost or confused about sonething. We are all here to help each other learn and grow in our love for the game. Love ya buddy.

28 Jun 2020 15:51:34

28 Jun 2020 17:37:55
Matthews injury prone should be your new sign off name hockeyluvr
My goodness Crosby is injury prone as well oh wait I hear nobody calling him that

More fake news by hockeyluvr

Ehlers over nylander dream on
Oh and wait Pasternak signed a year prior to nylander
Oh wait let’s compare different years
Right that’s what hockeyluvr does best
Keep ruling the site with fake facts and the hockey knowledge you claim to have.

28 Jun 2020 18:21:33
MPH can you really tell me Dubas signed the best deals possible for MNM? I have always known Nylander deal to be a good one but more term for what he paid would have been great for Marner and Mathews.

28 Jun 2020 18:22:55
One thing I'll throw in though. I know Dubas thought the cap would go up because of gambling revenue and new TV deals. At the time it made perfect sense. Now the virus hit not so much. Some people seem to blame him for not protecting himself in case the cap stayed flat but I don't. It has never stayed flat. No reason he should have thought it would.

28 Jun 2020 19:58:29
They all signed the deals so they would become ufa’s once done
It’s not complicated
In 2 years the tier 2 players will be demanding the same deals
Because the cap will go up to 90 million by then

Then we can talk about how cheap we are paying mnm

#get a clue.

28 Jun 2020 21:55:56
They wanted the deals. I agree there. Doesn't mean Dubas had to give Mathews 5 years.

One thing I think we agree on though. All these bridge deals will go the same way. They are back loaded so guys can get arbitration rights, get a one year qualifying offer then hit UFA. I know they end as RFA but if they don't want to stay RFA means nothing.

Mathews I honestly believe was signed to a poor deal but I understand why Dubas did it. If the coyotes offered him 14/ 7 or some ridiculous number that Dubas can't match 4 1sts doesn't replace a Mathews. I think he was scared of the offer sheet knowing Mathews would sign one even if Marner wouldn't.

I see both sides but even a 6 year deal would have felt a lot better.

28 Jun 2020 05:04:58
Lafreniere Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Hyman Kerfoot Kapenen
Clifford Spezza Engvall
Brooks Barabanov

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28 Jun 2020 20:53:28
I don’t think Clifford will re-sign, and Spezza it depends if the leafs want him or a guy like Brooks or Gauthier on the 4th line.

28 Jun 2020 00:48:09
Of Leafs lose to Columbus, technically that means they miss the playoffs. They then have an 87.5% chance of not winning the 1st overall, which means their pick automatically falls out of the top ten, which means it goes to Carolina.

Which means, Leafs would have finished the regular season with a third year of declining point totals (coincides with the years Dubas has been GM), they would have had three first round exits followed by missing the playoffs this year, followed by having no 1st round pick to help make them. better for the future. Followed by having to trade away at least one, if not two, of JKK for picks/ prospects because of the top heavy contracts to MNMT.

Why no 1st? Because, as we all know, Dubas had to trade the 1st to get rid of Marleau so he could sign Ceci.

Think about that one for a second: It cost a 1st to sign Ceci and save just over $1M in cap space. Was it worth it? No chance. Especially when Leafs could have added a guy like Martinez or Skjei or Forbort for peanuts.

If I was Dubas, if Leafs lose to Columbus and don't win the draft, I would be very nervous about my job.

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28 Jun 2020 13:37:49
In Dubas i Trust.

30 Jun 2020 05:34:14
Only one thing will make me unhappy seeing Tavares lift that cup. It will be that MPH is right and they did it with Dubas lol.

Here's hoping I'm wrong! I'll send ya a 2-4 if I am happily.

27 Jun 2020 17:23:19
Gut feel leafs lose to jackets win the jackpot
Draft Lafrenière

To nyi. Nylander Dermott kerfoot
To leafs Dobson Bellows 3rd 2021 Ladd 1st 2021
We get the 1st for taking Ladds contract
Who mysteriously experiences chronic back pain LTIR

To avs johnsson kapanen holl bracco
To leafs byram jost

We have some cap room to sign pietrangelo And Hamonic

Lafrenière Matthews Hyman
Robertson Tavares Marner
Mikheyev Jost Barabanov
Bellows Engvall korshkov

Rielly pietrangelo
Muzzin dobson
Sandin Hamonic


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27 Jun 2020 19:04:28
Gut feeling leafs beat blue jackets go out next round columbus wins jackpot.

27 Jun 2020 19:55:53
You must have been watching the Leafs as long as I have Randy lol. That sounds about right.

28 Jun 2020 00:51:09
But feeling Leafs lose to Columbus, miss the 1st overall, thereby have to forfeit their 1st to Columbus, and then further are forced to sell assets for peanuts just so they can be cap compliant next year. End result: Leafs are worse short term and have little to build upon for the future.

This management team wasn't supposed to be trading 1sts. Except they are. They've already started straying from the Shanaplan. What's next?

28 Jun 2020 03:27:48
I actually have to say. I think Byram and Host worth a bit more. Both look really good. Sakic is one of the best GMs in the league (in my opinion) I don't see him making any trades that don't heavily favour him.

28 Jun 2020 13:38:24
Ok throw in Marincin.

27 Jun 2020 15:29:28
Playoff lines:
Engvall (Johnsson if healthy)-Kerfoot-Mikheyev
*Agostino, Robertson, Korshkov, Petan, Brooks

If Johnsson isn't healthy then you could also use Aberg or Bracco. If he is healthy then you put Engvall as the 4C.

*Marincin, Rosen, Sandin, Liljgren

*Kaskisuo, Woll

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