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15 Jan 2017 01:54:47
Still not sure if I want these guys gone. However that being said if I were to trade JVR and Bozak I don't want picks I want younger NHL players. Not as established or poised but definetly have lots of upside.
What I'd propose
TOR: JVR, Bozak (retain 1 mil)
NYR: Vesey, Miller, Girardi
Shattenkirk signs with NYR (6mil/ 7years)
NYR (loose Grabner to Vegas)
Krieder-Stepan-Zuccerollo
JVR-Zibinejad-Nash
Buchnevich-Bozak-Hayes
Puemple-Lindberg-Fast
McDonagh-Shattekirk
Holden-Skjei
Staal-Klein
Lunqvist
Rantaa
TOR (loose Marincin to Vegas)
Vesey-Matthews-Brown
Komorav-Kadri-Marner
Miller-Nylander-Hyman
Martin-Gauthier-Soshnikov
Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Carrick
Neilsen-Girardi
Andersen
McElhinney
Helps both teams. NYR get veterans with chemistry (if they want them to play together) to help their immediate cup push. Toronto gets youngers guys who will still help us stay competitive while capitilzing on our veterans value. We also help NYR with their cap situation by taking Girardi for 3 years. Might also not be that bad for Toronto if Girardi can be a solid veteran prescence back there.
Thoughts?
1.) 15 Jan 2017 13:59:15
It's lose
21 Dec 2016 23:31:42
Couple of thoughts for acquiring a RHD and still being in good expansion draft condition. I would imaging most of these would be done right before the expansion draft.
Option #1
TOR: Bozak, Lindberg, Corrado, 2017 2nd (lowest)
NSH: Ellis, Watson
Option #2
TOR: Leipsic, Bracco, 2017 2nd (highest)
ANA: Manson
Option #3
TOR: Leipsic, Dermott, 2017 2nd (lowest)
COL: Johnson
All these would put Toronto in a situation where come expansion draft they would protect JVR, Kadri, Brown, Bozak/ Leipsic (depending which trade was done), Rielly, Gardiner, Carrick, which ever defenceman was acquired, Andersen. They meet the required unprotected list of Martin, Komorov, Marincin, Bibeau. So we don't really loose anyone too special. Worst case IMO is we loose Komorov who is a decent defensive winger with good veteran presence.
Also with all of this said and done I make these trades with the impression that Leipsic hopefully has some pretty high trade value since he is shredding up the AHL. Maybe other teams don't value him as much and in that case maybe add a pick or another prospect to the deal.
1.) 22 Dec 2016 09:47:37
#1 - Remove Watson and Lindberg.
#2 - Way too much for Manson
#3 - Johnson is too old for the rebuild, and too expensive. Barrie would be a good alternative.
2.) 22 Dec 2016 15:57:56
Not doing trades with draft picks in them!!!
3.) 22 Dec 2016 20:48:16
@lab16 originally I thought Leipsic and the 2nd for Manson. But I've been told that the Ducks are really high on this guy. Some fans value him more than Vatenen. So idk it could take an overpayment to get a guy like that. I think we have the forwards to spare though in an overpayment.
30 Nov 2016 15:16:39
Probably would never happen but just for fun
CGY-TOR BLOCKBUSTER!
Tor: Nylander, Carrick, Leipsic, 2017 2nd
Cgy: Hamilton, Tkachuk
Which side adds? Is it close value wise?
I could see a pretty sweet Tkachuk-Matthews-Marner line in the making.
1.) 30 Nov 2016 22:28:03
Replace Leipsic with Kapanen
11 Nov 2016 01:25:15
K I want to start by saying I'm not really one of those guys that want to trade JVR for anything. He's actually one of my favourite players and it would suck to see him leave my Leafs. HOWEVER, it's pretty obvious we need some help on D and this trade just seems to fit both teams needs.
Toronto trade JVR
Vancouver trades Tanev
Straight up 1 for 1
Basically like the Hall-Larson trade but lesser talents
Hall>JVR
Larsson>Tanev
I'm not going to go in depth with Toronto's D needs because it's obvious but Vancouver has been saying they want to add a 20 goal scorer to their roster. Well that doesn't come cheap. JVR is a solid 20 potential 30 goal scorer and with the acquisition of Gudbranson in the offseason I think Vancouver could part with Tanev if they got an offer they liked.
What do you guys think?
Projected lines after trade:
Hyman -- Matthews -- Nylander
Leivo/ Holland/ Greening -- Bozak -- Marner
Komarov -- Kadri -- Brown
Martin -- Smith -- Soshnikov
Rielly -- Tanev
Gardiner -- Carrick
Marincin -- Zaitsev
Andersen
Enroth.
1.) 11 Nov 2016 12:27:57
So you want to trade a 27 yr old LW; who delivers every year at a 60 pt. pace. For a 26 yr. old DMan who has never delivered 20 pts.
The move by Edm last years was a very stupid move. They are still laughing in NJ.
Edmontons gains this year are from McDavids rise and the addition of Lucic. Larson is in the middle of the pack on their defense. Don't forget they added Kris Russell, and Nurse.
So no; Tanev is not the right age, has no offensive talent, has not helped Van at all this year or last. He is highly over rated 4th line player.
No thanks! Not for JVR.
2.) 11 Nov 2016 14:43:29
4th line player? he's a Dman buddy. Also he is a defensive denfenceman so he hasn't put up points because that's not he's role. You put him with Rielly or Gardiner and then it allows them to be a little for offensively minded. Offense will not be our problem, defence will. Also you realize he's been injured for a good chunk of the start to the season. so you can't really judge his impact on the team right now. Like I said JVR is probably my favourite old regime player, but you got to give to get. Top pairing right handed Dman don't come cheap. If you're so against it why don't you tell me what better value for Tanev would be then. or what could be added with Tanev to equal JVR in your opinion
3.) 11 Nov 2016 16:26:29
Lab16 might want to learn A) the player's position (4th line player??) and B) the fact the defensive defencemen do not put up points because that is not their job. I don't think the trade proposal is a good one, but to see someone criticize it who clearly doesn't have a clue is ridiculous.
4.) 11 Nov 2016 23:44:11
Yes he's not a 4th line player. I called him a Dman above though. I meant a #4 Dman; I was tired. My bad.
I agree that D is our issue. I have made several posts and replies to posts that suggest a trade with Anaheim. Anaheim has the depth to give up a Dman and have several players and/or prospects that can be traded. They may have no choice but to unload one by the expansion draft.
The problem with Tanev is the payment. Could we use him? Sure. But Vancouver is high on him and won't give him up for a reasonable price. Note that a better, but, similar player - Trouba (23) has only a slightly better production and nobody paid for him when they had the chance, despite all the hoopla.
Bozak or Uncle Leo with a middle prospect is all I would give up. We won't be making the playoffs this year and will be able to pick up a Dman or two in the draft. Players will become available when the exp. draft approaches. Now is not the time, unless the deal is right. JVR is way too much.
Van GM Benning is in denial that a rebuild is necessary, so this all may be mute. I wonder if we could talk him into a package of reasonable prospects from the Marlies.
We need one good RH Dman. No reason to wholesale the talent.
5.) 11 Nov 2016 23:46:31
@DBF
Read the top of the reply. It says Dman. Try to at least read the reply in whole instead of jumping into your lame attack mode.
Really pathetic.
19 Sep 2016 02:22:04
Would be nice to pick up a young RHD to potentially play with Rielly for years to come. More of a physical, defensively-minded D-man.
Some options:
Rasmus Ristolinen
Colton Parayko
Jacob Trouba
Chris Tanev
These two aren't as much physical and defensive but they could still be good options if available:
Ryan Ellis
David Savard
Sami Vatenen
I would think all these teams except Winnipeg and Buffola would want offense (either prospects or veterans depending on where their team is) which is where Toronto has some strengths! Winnipeg and Buffola could want a left handed Dman.
What do you guys think it would cost?
Kapenen, Leipsic, Soshnikov, Hyman, Brown, Timashov, Johnsson, Lindberg, Rychel, Holland, Bozak, Marincin, Gardiner? Want to get an idea on value/ who you think would fit best or would be most likely to get traded.
Fire away!
1.) 19 Sep 2016 06:49:21
I don't think any of those dmen are available at a price i'd be comfortable with the leafs paying. Vatenen maybe because Anaheim is stacked with solid dmen and d prospects but wed still have to give up JVR + 1 or 2 of those guys you listed. I would actually prefer lou leaves the team as is until the trade deadline so leafs brass can evaluate what they have, who needs to be cut, who needs to be kept, traded, or sent to the Marlies. Plus if they added another core defensive piece this season that would mean no protection for one of Carrick/Carrado/Marincin. If the leafs wait until post-expansion draft to go after a top pairing dman they can keep those guys to fill out the depth. i'm personally hoping for one more year in the bottom 5 so we can draft Riley's top pair and have all of the core pieces in place. That's only my opinion though. I just see: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Soshnikov, Hyman, Riley, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Anderson as being core pieces moving forward Kapanen, JVR, Komarov, bozak, Timashov, Loov, Brown, Leivo are all solid players but I consider them maybes for various reasons.
2.) 19 Sep 2016 14:16:29
Fair enough, I didn't mention a timeline for these trades but I'd be comfortable waiting till post-expansion to nab one of them. Just trying to see who you think would fit best and what we'd give. Unless we get Liljegren next draft I don't know if any guys we have have the potential to be #2 guys. Definetly some good D prospects in the ranks but I see them as more Top 4 guys
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25 Nov 2016 04:59:33
What's the value of a guy like Josh Manson?
Needs to be protected in the expansion draft, looks like a great defensive defenceman with great shot suppresion numbers (something we need badly! ) Have no idea what his value is though. What do anaheim fans think of him?
Would something like some depth (Holland, Corrado) do the deal? or does he merit a much better return? If so what?
1.) 25 Nov 2016 11:32:44
Leivo and holland should do it and like a 3rd I'd say
15 Apr 2016 22:54:16
Here's my take on what the Leafs should do regarding their goaltending situation.
First off I think they should draft Evan Fitzpatrick at this years draft and that would give them to solid goalie prospect in him and Bibeau (who I also really have started to like) .
Then they should sign A. Raanta to like a $1-1.5 million contract to serve as a solid backup while the kids develop with the marlies.
Finally regarding our starter:
Option #1 --> Sign James Reimer (4-5 years) and trade bernier to a team willing to take a chance on him (might need to retain some money on the last year of his contract) .
Option #2 --> let Bernier play out this season and then sign Bishop to a 4 year deal in the summer (if Tampa let's him walk) .
Both Reimer and Bishop would serve as great goalies to bridge the gap until either Bibeau or Fitzpatrick looked ready. Obviously Bishop is much more ideal but also more unrealistic (depending on how things pan out in Tampa) .
Let me know your thoughts!
1.) 17 Apr 2016 23:07:02
Disagree on Reimer. He's gone. He's not a starting goalie. Trade Bernier and wait for the expansion draft and trade with the Bolts or Ducks for the goalie they don't want to get plucked for nothing.
2.) 19 Apr 2016 16:17:15
I totally disagree on option 1. Let him go. Pump up Bernier and trade him next year. THEN wait for the expansion draft and steal Anderson or Bishop from their teams who wouldn't want to lose them for nothing (they can only protect one goalie).
14 Apr 2016 03:44:59
A couple thoughts for Toronto's goalie situation.
Leafs should draft Evan Fitzpatrick at the draft and then sign Anti Raanta on July 1st to serve as a solid backup for next year.
Then:
Option #1
Sign Reimer (4-5years), trade bernier
Option #2
Play Bernier next year, sign Bishop (4 years) in offseason (if Tampa let's him walk)
Then hopefully in 4 years after either Reimer or Bishop have bridged the gap, Fitzpatrick or Bibeau (i still like this kid as a solid prospect goalie) become the leafs future #1 goalie.
Thoughts?
1.) 15 Apr 2016 16:20:57
Sincerely don't Tampa let's Bishop walk. It's be OK with Optimus Reim coming back for sure.
29 Mar 2016 02:15:48
Just in (Elliot Friedman)
Vesey is NOT signing with Nashville. He is exercising his rights to become a UFA. Come to TORONTO! Frontrunners are Toronto (father and brother are here) and Boston (boston native) .
05 Feb 2016 00:52:08
Team for the next two years (all current members not on the team either traded for picks/ prospects or let go to free agency) . Also this is assuming that Stamkos ends up signing with Tampa/ he asks for way to muck and we don't sign him. Leafs pick Tkachuk.
2016-17 season
JVR -- Bozak -- Nylander
Komarov -- Kadri -- Lupul
Holland -- Spaling -- C. Brown
Leivo -- Froese -- Boyes
Gardiner -- Phaneuf
Rielly -- Zaitsev
Hunwick -- Corrado
Reimer
Sparks
2017-18 season
Tkachuk -- Kadri -- Marner
JVR -- Nylander -- Kapenen
Komarov -- Holland -- C. Brown
A. Johnson -- Gauthier -- Leivo
Rielly -- Zaitsev
Gardiner -- Phaneuf
Percy -- Corrado
Reimer
Sparks.
1.) 06 Feb 2016 21:24:02
I think Nylander becomes our #1 centre. Also, you're forgetting Vesey who we hopefully sign this in FA.
Looking at your lineup I don't see Boyes being here next year, but rather Winnik. Also Brown on a scoring line and Lupul to the 3rd (as well as Kapanen). Percy will also be here next year.
Finally, we need to trade or draft a goalie prospect. I just don't see Reimer/Sparks as the solution going forward.
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02 Jun 2017 04:30:25
offering sheeting could really piss off some GMs, however maybe the threat of an offer sheet could make a deal for Parayko more possible. A 1st, 3rd and Kappanen maybe.
22 Dec 2016 20:48:16
@lab16 originally I thought Leipsic and the 2nd for Manson. But I've been told that the Ducks are really high on this guy. Some fans value him more than Vatenen. So idk it could take an overpayment to get a guy like that. I think we have the forwards to spare though in an overpayment.
25 Nov 2016 04:29:07
I'd say the pick would be coming back Toronto's way
12 Nov 2016 01:51:07
nice trolling
11 Nov 2016 14:43:29
4th line player? he's a Dman buddy. Also he is a defensive denfenceman so he hasn't put up points because that's not he's role. You put him with Rielly or Gardiner and then it allows them to be a little for offensively minded. Offense will not be our problem, defence will. Also you realize he's been injured for a good chunk of the start to the season. so you can't really judge his impact on the team right now. Like I said JVR is probably my favourite old regime player, but you got to give to get. Top pairing right handed Dman don't come cheap. If you're so against it why don't you tell me what better value for Tanev would be then. or what could be added with Tanev to equal JVR in your opinion
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