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18 Oct 2018 04:32:17
Unfortunately, Giveaway is on pace to beat his personal best this year. He sounds good on paper: a smooth skating (ha! ) near elite, puck moving offensive defenseman capable of hitting over 50 points and is on the positive side of +/ -. Even his Corsi numbers are good, among the best in the league actually, which is why I don’t read too much into those so called “advanced” stats.

We aren’t going to get anything worthwhile trading him for. A couple B prospects and a 1st if we are lucky. But who would give us that? A playoff bound team looking for defensive help at the deadline? Which sounds an awful lot like Toronto actually.

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18 Oct 2018 05:48:37
Sigh. This guy is so good in dome ways and so very bad in others. I try to assign a value to him and it's tough

Offensively great. Skates well. Points. I can't help but wonder if the best partner for him came forward what he could be.

Having said all that he is too expensive. The choice is likely to be do we run for a cup and accept he walks at end of year or do we get value

My last numbers analysis says trade him for futures. Yes doesn't help now but more trades can happen to add for cup run this year.

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18 Oct 2018 05:54:01
This was actually meant as a reply to Mitchsimpsons post below. Not sure how it got posted here. But whatever. Lol. I must have hit wrong button somewhere. j.

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18 Oct 2018 01:05:22
Maybe we need to look at this a bit different now .

How about we discuss what signing Gardiner while his value is at an all time low?

Maybe sign him for 6 years, $850,000 per .

That’s value . keep him as #6 D, playing PP and about 3-5 min per game Even strength

Maximize his output, minimize his mistakes.

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18 Oct 2018 05:49:25
I'm assuming this is a joke post.

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17 Oct 2018 19:11:10
I once had a job make $4.25 at a gym as towel boy. Easy money plus I got a free membership. I left to go work at a factory for almost twice as much money. I hated it. So I asked to go back to the gym. They had already replaced me obviously. The only thing they offered me was cleaning the toilets and equipment for te same amount of money I mad as towel boy. Twice the work for the same pay.

My point is, if Nylander wants to come back, he’s going to have to earn his keep. The easy money playing beside Matthews is no longer available. He’s been replaced by Kapanen. The only thing we have available right now is 3rd line duties. A much harder role that can pay less than what he is expecting. He can take it or leave it.

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18 Oct 2018 00:15:24
Leafs GM

While I understand how u feel, the simple truth is that if he resigns, he will go back with Matthews. I like Kapanen but honestly no-one believes this pace will continue.

I will say however that I personally don't hate the idea of him on the 3rd line simply because that line becomes an immediate threat and the team is even tougher to defend

Guess we shall see.

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18 Oct 2018 03:45:24
I don't know about that Jodes. Generally a coach is loathe to change lineups if they are working. As long as Kapanen keeps producing, I can see Babcock leaving him up there with Matthews. If it ain’t broke, don’t fox it right? Kapanen is working hard and doing a good job. He’s earned the right to play that top line. It’s his to lose now. Even if Kappy gets 60 points this year, he isn’t going to be asking anywhere near what Nylander is. Trading Nylander for 1RHD solves virtually all our problems in one shot. If that’s the way Dubas decides to go, then I just want to thank young Nylander now: thanks Willy.

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18 Oct 2018 05:51:29
Oh I understand the trade thought. I'm just saying I bet he goes back with Matthews if he resigns. I'm not sold quite yet on Kapanen being the first line answer. He could very well be. And I would be happy to be wrong.

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17 Oct 2018 16:12:29
If we aren't going to get rid of marleaus contract this offseason we are going to need to trade willie. Obviously if we trade willie we want a defenseman back. Ideally I like pesce Parayko Ristolainen tanev Myers but I'm unsure if st.louis Vancouver or Winnipeg would be willing to part with them. I think nylander for Ristolainen straight up would be a great trade for both teams.

Patty-Matt's-kappy = 6.25+12.75+3=22mil
Hym-tav-marn = 2.25+11+8.75=22mil
Lindholm-kadri-brown 1.5+4.5+2=8 mil
Leivo-Gauthier-Ennis 1+750k+750k=2.5mil
54.5mil


Rielly-Ristolainen = 5+5.5=10.5mil
Gardiner-zaitsev 5+4.5=9.5mil
Dermott-Ozhiganov 1+1=2mil
22mil
Freddy=5 mil
Sparks=1 mil
6 mil
Kessel 1mil

Overall 54.5+22mil+6mil+1mil
=83.5mil which is cutting it close but we could let gardiner walk and sign a cheaper bottom pairing LHD for 2-3 mil and let Dermott become the second behind rielly.
The year after marleau comes off the books + cap continues to go up allows us to sign bridge players hyman Dermott and kapanen which we would have about 10-15mil to get all signed and we would have Lilly and Sandin close to NHL ready.

Dubas.....make it happen

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17 Oct 2018 03:29:37
Just for some light hearted humour.

Dubas calls up chiarelli and asks how comfortable he feels with his job and if he feels it is in danger.

Chithead replies yeah i'm pretty sure i'm getting canned midway through the season

Dubas responds with well let's figure something out, you trade me mcdavid 50% retained and evan bouchard for gardiner and hainsey and as soon as you get fired I will hire you as a carribean scout at your current wage. Boom leafs won the cup the next 4 years straight

Lines lol you just roll them no matching

Marleau matthews kapanen
Hyman tavares marner
Leivo mcdavid nylander
Johnsson kadri brown

Reilly bouchard
Dermott holl/ozzy
Borgman ozzy/holl

Zaitsev in net or a shooter tutor
Probably still win 70 games

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16 Oct 2018 00:50:52
Player 1: 21 years old, 11th overall, 87 gp, 6g, 7a, 11:42 atoi, 36 blk, 200 hits, 16 tks, 2 gv

Player 2: 22 years old, 22nd overall, 61gp, 10g, 6a, 12:05 atoi, 13 blk, 78 hits, 22 tks, 11 gv

Everyone on this site looking through blue and white spectacles. And I’ll admit, I’m one of the worst (look at my username after all) .

These players look very comparable imo. Yet one is consistently called a bust, and the other is considered a success.

Lawson Crouse plays 3rd line on one of the worst teams in the league. He is almost exactly a full year younger than Kapanen, yet has more games played. Both have been healthy scratches in the past, and both have had injuries set them back a little.

While Kapanen has the edge in points, he’s not exactly star material, and he is also playing with better players.

If Kapanen was on any other team, everyone would be calling him a bust. I still think it’s too early to call Crouse a bust. He may still turn out to be a top six forward if given the chance.

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15 Oct 2018 17:06:00
Leafs trade Marincin to anyone that would give us anything for him. I mean, why is this guy even on the team?

This is my favourite rumours forum by far. All the best contributors are on this site. The NHL affiliate site has a few guys that really know their stuff, but it also has a lot of trolls. Makes it harder to appreciate.

My favourite contributors, in alphabetical order, are:

Craigger (Star Center)
Heatdreamer (Stud RHD)
Hugh Allen (Stud LHD)
Jminn (Star Winger)
Jodes (CFO)
Leafs1994 (Assistant Coach)
Mackin (Veteran Winger)
MarsBars (Head Coach)
MostLeaf (Rookie sensation)
Rocket9 (Instigator)
Torontobuds (Vezina Goalie)

I get to be GM still because I post by far the most trades and original propositions.

Hope I didn’t miss anyone.

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15 Oct 2018 18:07:10
I love it.

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15 Oct 2018 18:47:03
I guess I should thank the site administrator as well for working so hard behind the scenes to make all this possible and for posting my immature, yet hilarious, poems and comments. I hope your having as much fun as I am.

Good job to everyone for keeping this site running.

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16 Oct 2018 17:43:55
Well damn, I rarely post. But i get no love lol.

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14 Oct 2018 16:43:57
You know you hear all the rumors on here and to me it is a simple process. Eliminate all the all teams in the Atlantic division unless of course the Bruins want to send the Leafs McAvoy for a 3rd round pick (aint happening)

So you have to look for teams that have cap room and a somewhat surplus of defence. The obvious ones are Carolina, Anaheim Edmonton (not because of a surplus but getting a winger for McDavid) possibly Winnipeg but they have cap issues and are loaded up front.

I think if Nylander is moved it would probably be for Pesce and mix of draft pick and prospects on both sides to even out the deal. We can only guess what the end result would be as beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that means Waddell and Dubas. I could see a deal of Nylander and Johnson for Pesce and a 2nd

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14 Oct 2018 16:55:46
Nylander worth more than Pesce and Johnson worth more than a second.

Take johnsson out.

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15 Oct 2018 18:08:49
Nylander is worth more then Pesce, but I don’t think Johnsson is worth more then a second, he’s off to a bad start so leafs will probably wait until he gains value if they do trade him.

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17 Oct 2018 02:20:57
IDK. He was MVP and babcock looks to be trying to teach him a lesson. He has skills. I wouldn't move him for that return. But that's me.

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14 Oct 2018 15:17:24
So sportsnet reported the leafs made an offer of 4 years and less then 20 mil. This could take awhile if they are that far apart.

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14 Oct 2018 04:59:29
Kapanen looks very impressive. And I’ll tell you what else: that Lindholm kid I never heard of before Leafs signed him is looking real good as well.

Leivo is playing his heart out. Doesn’t mean we aren’t going to trade him. Just means we can get more for him now.

The thing about Gardiner is that he is just so consistently inconsistent. I don’t care how many outlet passes he can make. That’s pretty standard play in today’s NHL. He’s got to go.

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