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10 Mar 2020 12:03:45
With Dadanov and Hoffman going to demand big money this offseason, its likely Florida can not retain both

To FLA: F - A. Johnsson + F - A. Kerfoot + D - T. Liljegren

To TOR: D - A. Ekblad

Ekblad is on a solid deal for 5 more years at $7.5M, but he will command a King's ransom in return. Both players the leafs send are on 3+ years signed

Leafs would then have to promote Bracco and find another C

Torontobuds

1.) 10 Mar 2020 13:11:10
Lol you’re kidding right. two 3rd liners and a prospect for a top rhd no chance.


2.) 10 Mar 2020 13:38:50
This won't happen. Need to offer more for a player like ekblad.


3.) 10 Mar 2020 15:35:59
Are you sure a bunch of poo is usually what is offered. Lol.


4.) 10 Mar 2020 19:15:11
So how is the package a terrible package? I mean Ekblad is a very good young defenceman, he averages around 40 pts a year which is not Norris quality or anything. Just saying, sending 2 signed prospects and a young RHD on an ELC is good value.


5.) 10 Mar 2020 20:19:46
Ekblad is actually very close to Norris worthy. He is a very, very good defenceman. He isn't Hughes but he's a 1RHD. most teams don't even have a 1D of any kind they just have guys playing 1D either side. Case in point Barrie and Ceci. He is on a decent contract with term and young enough he still has room to grow. In exchange they get a good prospect a third line centre and a middle 6 winger. Throw in that the Panthers can't keep it out of their own net and actively need defenceman and they probably wouldn't even take this for Marner or Nylander.


6.) 11 Mar 2020 01:34:51
I don't think Ekblad is close to a Norris right now at all. Very good defenceman but not Norris, or at least now.


7.) 11 Mar 2020 02:14:55
I think I am going to do something here that doesn't happen often. I'm going to go against something LeafsLife said. Lol. I actually think most teams have at least one "true" elite top line defenseman. Very few teams don't have at least one. Some even have two of them

Ekblad is a tough one for me. I'm starting to think the best he has to offer is that he will work out to be like Erik Johnston, who was another 1st overall many years ago. Is Johnston bad? No, of course not. He's a very good player. Is he a Norris winner? No. And imo I think Ekblad will be essentially the same. Great player. But not a Norris candidate by any means.


8.) 11 Mar 2020 17:21:06
I'll go more into my thinking here. Most teams have an "elite" defenceman. The difference between a 1D and an elite defenceman is very far for me. Ekblad is an elite defenceman I can see winning a Norris. He gets brutal goaltending and his whole team seems to have checked out defensively. They do not play a puck possession style that benefits a puck moving defenceman as the leafs do. What other team do you ever see where Dermott gets a lead pass from Nylander? Doesn't happen.

To me Muzzin is also elite. He even played PP minutes in LA but he isn't a true 1D. That falls to maybe 10 guys same as every team has an "elite Centre" for the most part but not a 1C.

Norris voting is also very skewed in my view. If I had a vote it wouldn't be the leader in points year after year. To me that means Chara has been a useless player his entire life as he doesn't lead defenceman in points.

@LeafsGm starts conversation when you disagree. Nice change of pace lol.


9.) 11 Mar 2020 18:47:57
Clicked send to soon lol.

Ekblad as a leaf I believe could elevate his game to be a "true" 1RHD just like I believe one Dermott could be an "elite" top pairing D.


10.) 12 Mar 2020 02:03:31
From what I've been reading, Sandin is the next franchise defenseman for the Leafs. From what I've seen though he hasn't significantly outplayed Liljegren.


 

 

10 Mar 2020 11:48:50
If the rumours are correct and STL wants to re-sign Pietrangelo, could the Leafs target Parayko?

To STL: F - A. Johnsson + D - T. Liljegren + F - J. Bracco + 2022 1st

To TOR: D - C. Parayko + 2021 3rd

My assumption is that if STL re-signs Pietrangelo, with Faulk and Bortuzzo signed as well the team is overstacked. The package the Leafs send is a quality package of young players

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1.) 10 Mar 2020 13:40:38
Parayko only has 2 years left by the time this trade is done. There is no chance he resigns after those two years as he won't be affordable at all. They can't have one of the only prospects we posses of value+a first+ a top 6 winger for him.

Neither team does this I don't believe.


2.) 10 Mar 2020 13:43:18
redwing would say - and I am sure he will - f-off.


3.) 10 Mar 2020 15:38:34
You know me sheet trade. Parayko is not getti g traded for that trash. Quantity doesn't equal quality. Bracco is not nhl material and is awol. Blues have plenty of Johnson's on their team.

Just draft your own dman.


4.) 10 Mar 2020 17:58:25
With what picks? Lol. third and 1st are gone so far.


5.) 10 Mar 2020 19:16:19
Easy on the trash LOL, it's far from trash.


6.) 10 Mar 2020 20:20:21
Bracco and Kerfoot aren't great lol trash pretty well describes Bracco at this point.


7.) 11 Mar 2020 02:21:10
I believe the rumor I'm reading most lately, and it's a very real possibility, is that Blues are absolutely not going to re-sign Pietrangelo. They knew this already long ago, which is why they brought in Faulk. Parayko has shown he is more than capable of playing 1RHD. He did excellent when Pietrangelo was hurt last year. And he did outstanding in the playoffs last year too.

Blues plan is to just let Pietrangelo walk and to promote Parayko and put Faulk at 2RHD.


8.) 11 Mar 2020 18:51:22
Armstrong will most likely let Petro walk as he will want long term. Armstrong has built a very competitive team through competency. Nothing about him leads me to believe he signs a 30 year old to Karlsson type contract. As much as redwing trolls us, when Petro signs somewhere else he will tell us all how the team that signed him are idiots because they payed to much.

Always liked Parayko. Of all D in the league I would take if given a chance it would be Parayko. He would balance the leafs out perfectly including the top pairing with Reilly. Big body, physical player, plays great D and moves the puck well. He may not be the best puck mover and an average skater but Chara has been a below average skater for many years. Size and positioning along with a high hockey IQ can make a player.


 

 

02 Mar 2020 20:23:02
Thoughts on an offseason trade

To TOR: D - D. Hamilton

To CAR: F - A. Johnsson + F - J. Bracco

Hamilton will be entering the final year of his deal, while Johnsson will have 3 more years at $3.4M. As Carolina now will have 4 D inked to LT deals in Slavin, Pesce, Skjei and Gardiner they can afford to trade Hamilton

The Leafs can play Hamilton and see if he gels to look at signing LT. He will be coming off an injury, so there is some risk, but potential for high reward

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1.) 02 Mar 2020 21:58:27
No. Another puck mover isn't needed and losing a longer term asset for a rental is never smart.


2.) 02 Mar 2020 22:19:36
If we bring in a 6'6" defenseman, I hope it's one that can hit and take a hit. Not a pussy like Hamilton.


3.) 02 Mar 2020 23:03:34
Why do people keep adding Bracco to proposals, he has no value. Johnsson for Hamilton doesn’t get it done and I rather get a solid defensive dman.


4.) 03 Mar 2020 01:39:50
Fair, but if I recall Hamilton prior to his injury this year had improved greatly on D, but yes that is what the Leafs need.


5.) 03 Mar 2020 15:17:53
The other thing about Hamilton is that if we re-sign him, we then have Reilly, Muzzin, Hamilton, Dermott, Holl all signed past the draft. Which means in all likelihood we lose Dermott or Holl. I guess we could trade Dermott (or Holl), but is that the right decision?


6.) 03 Mar 2020 20:50:46
Pre expansion draft any team that has good players they can't protect either pays the team picking or has a fire sale on guys they don't want to lose for nothing. I would say get a rental or trade a longer term guy.


7.) 04 Mar 2020 03:24:12
We now have Rosen back in the team. Along with Marincin, Liljegren, Sanding, Muzzin, Reilly, Holl, and Dermott, our defense looks pretty set for next year. Do we even need a rental? Unless it is a true too line 1RHD, in which case we pay up, I don't even think we need anyone else now for next year. There is no doubting either Sanding or Liljegren and what they are capable of anymore.


 

 

29 Feb 2020 13:18:48
With Kapanen adding fighting to his game, he's turning into the player the Leafs need going forward. With that being said, I feel the Leafs will look to deal 1 of Kerfoot or Johnsson in the offseason for RHD help

To MIN: F - A. Johnsson + D - T. Dermott + F - J. Bracco + 2021 3rd

To TOR: D - M. Dumba

Whether you like it or not, this is a sizable haul for Minnesota. They grab 2 young forwards and a young D , all under 24

Torontobuds

1.) 29 Feb 2020 15:09:04
Dumba just isn't worth that as rental+ 1 year. I wouldn't do this deal at all. The ask was a 1C and I wouldn't have done even close to that either. He is having a down year and no one knows if he will come back strong or if he is done now.


2.) 29 Feb 2020 21:53:16
Offering the same package that you suggested before the deadline seems very counter-intuitive. Does the price not drop since we lose him for this year's playoff run? That's essentially 1/ 3 of his contract value for our purposes since the first half of this year is already discounted and the remaining half, consisting of the stretch to make the playoffs, and the playoffs themselves, is a major part of the reason why Leafs had any interest in him to begin with.

As a rental+1 the value of Dumba would be somewhere around what we paid for Muzzin, who was, and still is, a much better player when we traded for him than Dumba is now.

Minnesota can ask for all they want. They obviously aren't going to get it considering there was zero interest in Dumba at their asking price, and by keeping him, they just lost a huge opportunity to make upgrades to their future roster in this rebuild. I can't see Dumba pulling in a 1C, let lone two NHL full-time roster players that are young, on team friendly deals, and controllable for many years. I'd rather trade Dermott, Johnsson and the rest in separate packages for picks/ prospects, then bundle something up for Minnesota after. We would get a better return on assets that way.


3.) 01 Mar 2020 00:34:53
I don’t want Dumba especially for, this package. Brodin would b a better fit.


4.) 01 Mar 2020 00:50:12
I'm all for trading for assets to create a package as well.


 

 

25 Feb 2020 12:09:04
With the trade deadline passed and the Leafs did NOT add any higher picks, looks like they will be picking towards the end of the 2nd first

Prospects that look decent in that range (ranked 50 - 70)

C - T. Forester (6'1")
D - R. O'Rourke (6'2")
F - L. Tuch (6'0")
D - A. Cotton (6'2")

As the Leafs have multiple 6th and 7th round picks, they should look to trade up a little bit

Trade 2020 4th + 2020 6th + 2020 7th for 2020 3rd

Teams that may go for this would be Pitt, VAN, Vegas etc

If they can do that twice they would have the following picks

2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 6, 7

Not too bad for grabbing some higher end talent if they can do this

Torontobuds

1.) 25 Feb 2020 19:19:39
Does that 3rd become a 2nd if Campbell wins 6 games or if the Leafs resign Clifford?


2.) 25 Feb 2020 22:16:44
Win 6.


3.) 26 Feb 2020 01:43:41
I believe that condition on a pick is in 2021.


4.) 26 Feb 2020 03:54:19
I’d like to see Leafs trade up for once. Trading down hasn’t brought them much luck. Ahem, Konecny, ahem.

But why stop at the extra 3rds? Why not keep packaging the 2x3rd + 2nd for a 1st? Is there a team crazy enough to do it? Hey, stranger things have happened. In just the last few days, Leafs got beat by their own zamboni driver and are now the proud owners of Lehner’s retained salary, despite Lehner never actually ever being a member of the team.


5.) 26 Feb 2020 17:44:58
Depends on where you trade too. I think people are to obsessed with late firsts. Is the 31st pick in the 1st round better than the 1st pick in the second round? Unless you really believe in someone specific I get trading down to an extent just not as much as Dubas does. He seems to believe that if you draft 14 times instead of 7, even if it is later, it's still better. Not sure how I feel about the philosophy. Johnson was a 7th round pick, so was kaberle. Robertson wasn't a 1st, Sandin was a second round.

The trade down from konecny strikes me as more bad scouting than anything else.


6.) 27 Feb 2020 04:44:23
After the first dozen prospers, the draft is a real crapshoot. Though sometimes anomalies in the marketplace can happen. Look at DeBrincat getting picked in the second round. Leafs drafted Korshkov ahead of him. So m, even if you are a bit of a gambler like Dubas, and decide to go with the analytics and the numbers, you still have got to have a scouting team talented enough to lump all the players in tiers. Only if you can still draft a player in the same tier with a later pick as you could at the slot you are trading down from would you even think about it. If you know that by the time the late second/ early third round that all players in the top 3 tiers are gone and you would be stuck drafting tier four or lower, you don’t trade an early second that could have got you a tier three player still. You would still have a chance at getting a tier three player. There is zero chance to get that quality after by trading down, then you don’t do it.


 

 

 

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16 Mar 2020 11:22:29
Hall is a former MVP, his contract will be albatross, definitely higher than Panarin, you can bank it! Rumor is that he wants to go to Calgary, time will tell.

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16 Mar 2020 11:20:32
Why on earth would the Leafs trade for picks only to HOPE to draft equally talented players, just ridiculous.

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11 Mar 2020 15:24:38
This is a joke right.

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11 Mar 2020 15:24:07
Barzal will command a very nice raise but nothing near Matthews money. Remember the conversations, guys like Dreger were talking about a contract higher than McDavid, that is what messed things up.

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11 Mar 2020 01:34:51
I don't think Ekblad is close to a Norris right now at all. Very good defenceman but not Norris, or at least now.

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