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18 Jul 2018 12:17:48
2 reasons for Dubas to make this deal.

RHD almost ready for the NHL
Played for the Soo Grey hounds

To TOR: D - C. Timmins + 2019 3rd round pick

To COL: 2019 1st round pick

The Leafs pick will be very low 1st, Timmins was picked 32nd overall. I feel its a fair trade for both teams.

Colorado has 2 3rd round picks in the upcoming draft and if they make this trade they will have 3 1st picks.

Timmins would get a tryout in camp to make the Leafs roster.

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1.) 18 Jul 2018 14:19:31
I'd love to add Timmins and this trade seems pretty fair. Hate to lose a first but seems worth it.
Leafs would have the top three defensemen from the Soo last year rofl go Dubes.


2.) 19 Jul 2018 01:54:18
Can't see why Joe Sakic would want to do this deal.
He got a gem in Connor Timmins at #32 and I don't think he is about to give him away.


 

 

18 Jul 2018 02:27:23
So I posted a week ago about Hortons contract and LTIR. I've found clarity and a team is allowed to go only 10% above the cap ceiling in the offseason (and injured players count) and then they can place players on LTIR to get relief. So that is why his contract may impact next year.

So here it is again.

To TOR: F - D. Bolland

To ARZ: F - N. Horton + 2019 4th round pick

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14 Jul 2018 15:21:54
Carolina is in a rebuild and looking to unload some talent for young assets and picks! Perfect team for the Leafs to trade with

To TOR: D - J. Faulk + 2019 3rd round pick

To CAR: F - J. Bracco + D - C. Carrick + 2019 1st round pick

Would normally include the Leafs 2nd, but the Leafs will be picking really low, so the 1st is reasonable, and getting back a high 3rd

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1.) 14 Jul 2018 15:41:22
Faulk is trash I woukdnt even want to give them this much for him. Pesce or slavin only.


2.) 14 Jul 2018 16:07:20
Faulk is not trash he is still a good defenseman, he's been on a bad team his whole career if he came to Toronto he would be solid.


3.) 14 Jul 2018 16:10:57
I agree with Randy. Faulk is not the answer to our problems. He would be a two year rental at best. I would rather keep the 1st.

Randy

I would also think Fleury would be a good player for leafs to acquire if we were to trade with Carolina. He’s young, he’s cheap, he’s massive, and he’s defensively responsible. He’s not as proven as Slavin, so wtrade value should be a lot less. He would be perfect for 3LHD after we dump Gardiner.


4.) 15 Jul 2018 00:46:40
I agree. He is not trash. Played on a shitty team, with no offense. He's on a 2 year deal paying 4.8 per. He's worth an opportunity.


5.) 15 Jul 2018 00:54:56
Faulk is not as good as Gardner defensively nor is he as good offensively.
He is a poor choice to play with either Rielly or Gardner as he plays the same style of game but not as well as either of them.
If Leafs are giving up a 1st in a package to Carolina then it must be Pesce coming back or no deal, thanks.


6.) 15 Jul 2018 15:13:08
So maybe drop the pick to a 2nd? The Leafs picks will be very low in the rounds and thus not given high value.


7.) 16 Jul 2018 02:01:03
Check out Faulks stats. He makes Gardner look like Drew Doughty.
Faulk is terrible defensively and Leafs have more than enough defencemen that ffit tthat role.
No thanks to Faulk but if you can pry Pesce out of Carolina then let's make a deal.


 

 

14 Jul 2018 15:14:56
The Jet's have $20M in cap space with 6 RFA's still needing new deals, including Trouba, Morrisey and Lowry. Let's assume they eat up collectively $14M in cap space (could be more)

For next season, they will need to pay up and re-sign all of Wheeler, Laine and Connor. For argument sake, let's say the following

Wheeler $10M
Laine $9M
Connor $7M

Now Wheeler is making $5.6, so an increase of 4.4M. That leaves them with $1.6M to sign both Laine and Connor. Myers, Chiarot and Copp will all be gone, and free's up roughly $8MM (plus add 2 M for the current money paid to Laine and Connor)

They are still really in cap shit!

Can the Leafs use this leverage to try and trade for Trouba?

To WNG: D - J. Gardiner + 2019 2nd round pick + F - J. Bracco

To TOR: D - J. Trouba + 2019 5th round pick

Torontobuds

1.) 14 Jul 2018 15:58:06
I agree 100% this is the way Toronto will improve their backend by targeting cap crunched teams which the league seems to have a lot of. But I’d rather have Myers Trouba hasn’t had one 82 game season and seems to becoming more injury prone.


2.) 14 Jul 2018 16:20:48
I think you priced Wheeler too high. He’s 31 and only had 23 goals last year. Admittedly, his career best 91 points is outstanding, but you have got to figure this is a direct result of him playing with superior talent than in the past. Basically, his linemates make him better, not the other way around.

Unless Jets are silly enough to make the same mistake Chicago did with Toews, I have a hard time believing Wheeler gets anywhere close to $10M.


3.) 14 Jul 2018 16:23:57
If you’re going to trade for Trouba, you may as well trade Vancouver for Tanev as well. Between the two of them, you can probably get a full 82 games played plus a few playoff games.


4.) 14 Jul 2018 21:07:44
Absolutely nothing in your offer would entice the Jets to downgrade from Trouba to Gardiner.


5.) 15 Jul 2018 00:44:52
Funny how you mention nothing there is good for Trouba, while others say he's injury prone. Gardiner was a productive player last year.


6.) 15 Jul 2018 01:43:19
Yes, Gardiner was a productive player. He's just not a good enough piece to score Trouba.


7.) 15 Jul 2018 02:45:52
There's a reason Leafs fans are always trying to dump off Gardiner.


8.) 15 Jul 2018 15:14:59
Yes, the reason is the Leafs have Dermott who can play top 4 and Rielly already on contract. Gardiner will be a UFA, that is the reason.

As for Wheeler, if you think $10M is too much for the captain and top line player. He scored more points that John Tavares last year. So what do you think his number is?


9.) 15 Jul 2018 23:39:30
Torontobuds

You are correct in the reason for wanting to dump Gardiner. Dermott’s play has made Gardiner expendable. As a pending UFA who has been putting up good numbers, Gardiner is going to want a pretty big increase I. Salary, and we can’t afford him.

As for Wheeler, $10M is probably not far off, and he might get close to that if he accepts a shorter term deal (4-5 years) . At 31 years of age, it’s almost a guarantee he does not consistently put up the numbers he did last year for the next 8 years. I see him getting a contract that is front loaded for the first few years, then heavily drops in base salary the last half of the contract. AAV will likely be in the $7.5M range.


 

 

14 Jul 2018 15:01:48
To rid themselves of Horton's contract for next season, here's an option

To ARI: F - N. Horton + 2019 4th round pick (STL)

(cap hit is $5.3M for 2 years, cash is $4.5 + $3.6 = total of $8.1M)

To TOR: F - D. Bolland

(cap hit is $5.5M for 1 year, cash is also $5.5M)

Free's up the cap space for the next season when Matthews and Marner's deals hit!

Torontobuds

1.) 14 Jul 2018 16:16:23
I like the idea. Not sure if Arizona will pay $2.6M for a 4th round pick though ($8.1M - $5.5M) .

Probably would have to give Arizona a better prospect or pick for doing us the favor of taking on Horton’s contract.


2.) 14 Jul 2018 16:44:31
Horton doesn't count towards the cap. LTIR.


3.) 14 Jul 2018 16:59:52
Jayfern

I was always under the impression Horton was LTIR as well. This is the first I’ve heard he didn’t count towards LTIR. Can you explain why he isn’t?


4.) 15 Jul 2018 00:42:28
It's my understanding that you need to count the contract as part of your cap prior to the start of the year, then you can place the player on LTIR and get relief. I could ne wrong, but that is the way I understood it.


5.) 15 Jul 2018 23:28:33
Torontobuds

That’s right. But my reading of Jayfern’s comment seems to me that he is saying Horton doesn’t count toward LTIR at all. Maybe I’m interpreting his comment wrong though. I thought Horton was covered by LTIR and once season started could be discounted from cap. That’s why I like your idea to trade him if we can. Because with such large signings coming up next year, is good to get cap hit as low as possible.


 

 

 

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22 Jul 2018 14:13:06
I would rather keep the 3 quality young players and the 1st round pick.

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21 Jul 2018 16:43:08
This makes zero sense for Toronto, pass.

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20 Jul 2018 17:24:49
The Leafs won't trade Kapanen for 1 year of Myers. The Leafs will be in a cap crunch next season too. So let him walk to UFA as is with Gardiner and if you can sign him and have space, go for it.

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19 Jul 2018 20:53:42
It actually does make sense for next year. read up on how LTIR works.

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19 Jul 2018 14:18:23
Sbisa would be a good depth signing.

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