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21 May 2019 17:09:50
As McKenzie noted, C. Miller is likely to be traded. The Leafs seem like a perfect fit for him as he played for Dubas in SSM

To VGN: D - A. Borgman + 2020 3rd round pick

To TOR: D - C. Miller

Vegas needs to shed salary bad and need returns of picks and prospects. Without signing W. Karlsson the Knights are over the cap as is.

The Leafs can play Miller in their top 4 and hope he returns to his form from 2 years ago

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1.) 21 May 2019 18:23:26
I personally think this is the guy the leafs add to the team this summer. Seems like the most likely candidate. I'm not sure on evaluation though. I personally think he's a good d man but Vegas seems to not think so. I'm not sure what they would be asking for.


2.) 21 May 2019 18:35:06
Agreed. They clearly are not high on him, thus the return will be lower. A prospect and a mid pick seems reasonable to me.


3.) 21 May 2019 18:47:48
Miller was scratched and was used in out of a 6th defensemen role - alternating with Nick Holden - down the stretch. So vegas will be looking to move Miller based on his current cap hit at 3,875,000. This might be the beginning of a reshaped roster of the leafs for next year. If they bring in Miller contract that probably is a sign that Gardiner won't be returning.


4.) 21 May 2019 19:02:50
Miller was used in of the 6th defensemen spot in Vegas alternating with Nick Holden. Considering the fact that vegas used Miller in the 6th/ 7th defence spot with a $3,875,000 cap hit - it makes sense for them to want to move him. This could be the start to the newly shaped leafs roster for next year - if the leafs acquire Miller the would most likely mean that they would be unable to resign Jake Gardiner. But Miller is a right handed defensemen and the leafs are desperate for a NHL ready right handed defensemen.


5.) 21 May 2019 19:03:42
Wouldn’t that be something if we could steal Miller for that? Miller got almost 20 minutes a night in Vegas. His performance was excellent, particularly his possession stats, and if he didn’t get injured, he probably would have beat his previous years best. Playing top line with Rielly as his partner, you got to think he would easily put up his best numbers to date. He would instantly and significantly improve our defense. We would definitely be getting our money’s worth with him. I don’t think it’s so much as Vegas wants to trade him, more along the lines that they don’t have room for him and can’t afford him.

It’s possible we see him go cheap. A lot of players went for a lot less than I expected at the deadline this year. It’s a buyer’s market right now it seems. A heavy hitter that plays a real good two way game without three years left on his contract at a very reasonable cap hit, I fully agree with everyone that he would be the almost perfect player for us to pursue if the price is right.


6.) 21 May 2019 20:19:39
This has nothing to do with Gardiner. Gardiner will not be back for 3 reasons:
1. LHD
2. Will command north of $5M on the UFA market
3. Was a bust in 2 back to back game 7's.


 

 

20 May 2019 13:58:18
As a follow up to the trade for Trouba, the Leafs need to trade away Horton's final year. His cap is $5.3M, but cash paid is $3.6M

The buyout cap hit would be $2.9M and $1.2M for this year and next respectively. That is an option, it would save $2.4M. However a trade is a better option. A re-post of a trade with Ottawa

To OTT: F - N. Horton + F - D. Timashov

To TOR: G - M. Condon

The Cash paid is similar for both, but Horton would count a higher cap hit to help Ottawa to the floor

The Leafs would then buyout Condon and the cap hits would be

2019/20 $400K
2020/21 $1M

This deal would save the Leafs $4.9M on the cap for 2019/20

Ottawa get a good quality prospect for having to payout an extra $400K in cash. If they want a mid round pick the Leafs could add that as well

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1.) 20 May 2019 16:46:02
How would Horton help Ottawa reach cap floor when he is on permanent LTIR and doesn’t count against the cap? And even if he did count against the cap, why wouldn’t Ottawa just sign a free agent instead of trading a useful player and spending money on a player that will never play again?

If I was GM of Ottawa, it makes way more sense to pay a guy like Eberle $7M, or even more, than to pay Horton anything. At least Eberle will play, and they don’t lose Condom in the process. And they can afford to overpay Eberle a little too, since it helps them reach cap floor.


2.) 20 May 2019 20:57:24
Condon is not a useful player. He is also a buyout candidate.

It's a swap of contracts and they get other assets.


3.) 21 May 2019 01:16:30
So now you want to pay Horton to not play, and pay Condon to not play? I don’t think I understand this trade.


4.) 21 May 2019 15:58:51
No, it's trading away Horton for Condon as the buyout on Condon is more favourable. I'm not 100% sure that Horton does not count against the cap, it's included in the cap number on Capfriendly.

Buying out Condon would only cost $400K against the cap in 2019/ 20 (based on capfriendly)


 

 

20 May 2019 13:44:31
Kadri is underutilized on the Leafs and Trouba does not want to stay long term in Winnipeg (or so is speculated).

The Jets much like the Leafs are up against the cap, although if they move Trouba they will be better off. The Leafs are tight as well, and will need to make another move to make this fit.

To WNG: C - N. Kadri + D - T. Dermott + 2019 3rd round pick

To TOR: D - J. Trouba + C - A. Lowry

Deal is contingent on the Leafs signing Trouba first. Leafs sign Trouba to a 7 year $49M deal ($7M AAV)

Leafs add about $4.5M in cap on this deal

Lowry replaces Kadri on the 3rd line

Leafs D

Rielly Trouba
Muzzin Zaitsev
Rosen Holl/Liljegren

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1.) 20 May 2019 15:10:13
No interest in Kadri as the main piece for Trouba and zero chance the Jets would be adding in Lowry as well.


2.) 20 May 2019 16:51:46
Kadri for Lowry + is a trade that I can see. Dermott for Trouba is a huge no. When you look at it this way, you can easily see why Memarcusjoe is right, and Winnipeg says no.

It’s possible a Kadri for Trouba trade could work, but Leafs would have to add. Joe says no interest in Kadri as the main piece going back, but Winnipeg would probably like to have a guy like Kadri running the second line. He’s cheap, can score 30 goals, and plays with a bit of an edge. He’s a more than adequate second line center on any team in the league and is better than anyone they have now, or have had at all in a while. We would have to add though for sure.


3.) 20 May 2019 17:26:04
Sorry LeafsGM, myself and most Jet fans know that Kadri is not a 2C. We don't care that he scored 30 goals two years ago. Last year Kadri regressed pretty badly and wouldn't fit as our 2C, he's simply not good enough. Plus he is a tremendous negative in the playoffs. There is no chance Kadri would be part of a Trouba or Lowry deal.


4.) 20 May 2019 17:48:53
Actuqlly I think a kadri for trouba deal can work. Winnipeg has been looking for that second line center for a couple years now. Both are first round picks and provide a different aspect that each team needs.

Winnipeg could then use they fee million in savings to keep Myers and resign their essential ufa/ rfas. The teams aren't trading into their conference so the real threat comes would only happen in the scf.

The leafs would add an above average prospect. Borgmann or someone out of the top 7 of their prospects. But ultimately I can see it working out for both teams.


5.) 20 May 2019 18:49:14
I certainly understand Leaf fans wanting to jettison Kadri. However, there is zero chance he'll end up in Winnipeg.


6.) 20 May 2019 20:11:45
He didn’t regress. Lol. He was put back on the third line, where he was used in a shut down role again, like he was for most of his career. Injury didn’t help. He was on pace for 50 points and almost 20 goals again, which is in line with most teams 2C, and is good value for the $4.5M salary cap hit he earns. A bit of a long shot at actually winning the Selke trophy, he has been in consideration though, and he is a very effective two-way Center and a strong addition to the pk.

There is no denying he is a liability in the playoffs though.

Say what you will Joe, I’ve read plenty of comments from Winnipeg fans saying how much they would like Kadri on the team. Lol. I know you love Jets as much as I love Leafs, but neither one of us speaks for the entire city.


7.) 20 May 2019 20:57:37
Really LeafsGM? I read a lot of Jets stuff and listen to Winnipeg radio all day and have never heard one person express interest in Kadri.


8.) 20 May 2019 21:44:49
This trade is a definite no go for the Jets and wishful thinking that the Jets make this lopsided trade.


 

 

18 May 2019 14:54:04
This would certainly help the Leafs. Not saying that Codi Ceci is great, but he's still serviceable as 2nd pairing Dman

Ceci made a base salary of $4.3M and will be arbitration eligible. Zaitsev is paid $4.5M for 5 years and after Free Agency will not look nearly as bad as it does right now.

To TOR: D - C. Ceci

To OTT: F - P. Marleau + D - N. Zaitsev + F - C. Brown + F - D. Timashov + 2019 4th

Ottawa then buys out Marleau's remaining $1.25M salary, but it counts for $6.25M against their cap (A win for Ottawa to reach the floor)

Marleau then either previously agrees to sign back with the Leafs for a 1 year $1.5M deal (Marleau takes home more money this year by accepting to do this)

The Leafs drop $12.85M on the cap, add back $1.5M for Marleau + assuming $5M for Ceci, so call it $6.5M

Net cap effect on the Leafs is positive $6.35M.

Ottawa receives Brown, Timashov and a 4th round pick for this. They now can reach the floor and have paid less cash

The Leafs can then afford to pay and keep all of Marner, Nylander, Kapanen and Johnsson.

Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnsson Matthews Kapanen
Marleau Kadri Nylander
Moore Gauthier Petan

Rielly Ceci
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott Holl
Rosen

Andersen

Torontobuds

1.) 18 May 2019 21:18:42
The buyout period is prior to Marleau getting his bonus so ottawa would have to fully buyout marleau which they won't do. You could see if Marleau will go there anyways without a buyout after the deal, but it's unlikely. I've mentioned ceci straight up for zaitsev before and there seemed to be some interest but the concern is he is arbitration eligible and that could screw the leafs cap this season worse than zaitsev.


2.) 18 May 2019 22:38:44
I don’t think Ceci is going to get $5M in arbitration after having poor performances the last couple years. But putting that aside and focusing on just the trade, I can’t see Marleau agreeing to this. The situation with Orpik was an entirely different set of circumstances that just happened to work itself out the way it did.

If Ottawa wants to trade overpriced underperforming defensemen, the a trade based around Ceci and Zaitsev isn’t the worst idea. A change of scenery might be just what these two guys need.


 

 

17 May 2019 20:57:03
A deal that works for both teams

To TOR: G - M. Condon + D - D. DeMelo

To OTT: F - N. Horton + F - D. Timashov + 2019 4th

Actual salary paid is similar $3.6M for Horton and $3M for Condon
Cap hit is $5.3M for Horton and $2.4M for Condon

Ottawa gets to claim a high cap hit for lower dollar player while giving up the opposite. They get a good young prospect in return in Timashov

The Leafs can then buyout Condon with the following penalty

Caphit 19/20 = $400K
Caphit 20/21 = $1M

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21 May 2019 20:19:39
This has nothing to do with Gardiner. Gardiner will not be back for 3 reasons:
1. LHD
2. Will command north of $5M on the UFA market
3. Was a bust in 2 back to back game 7's.

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21 May 2019 18:35:06
Agreed. They clearly are not high on him, thus the return will be lower. A prospect and a mid pick seems reasonable to me.

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21 May 2019 17:22:34
Too much for Marner, that number should be below $10M. $10.5M would make him the highest paid winger in the NHL. Yes he has not scored 30 goals once. keep that in mind.

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21 May 2019 15:58:51
No, it's trading away Horton for Condon as the buyout on Condon is more favourable. I'm not 100% sure that Horton does not count against the cap, it's included in the cap number on Capfriendly.

Buying out Condon would only cost $400K against the cap in 2019/ 20 (based on capfriendly)

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21 May 2019 15:56:52
There is absolutely no way the Leafs part with Andersen at this stage. They want to win a cup and going younger at goalie does not help this.

Also, the Leafs have 2 stud prospect goalies of their own in Woll and Scott.

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