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20 Feb 2019 12:53:44
It seems about the time of year to re-acquire Polak lol

To TOR: D - R. Polak + F - B. Comeau + D - M. Methot (cap dump)

To DAL: F - C. Brown + D - N. Zaitsev

Comeau will be a reliable 2nd line LW after this season and the Leafs pay a little to move Zaitsev out to clear cap. Polak is someone Babcock has liked to have.

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1.) 20 Feb 2019 14:58:43
So in this deal the leafs are taking on 2 million dollars in cap space.
However, Methot can go to LTIR and both his and Polak's contract expire at the end of this year. That means the leafs are technically dumping 2.9 million dollars in cap this year, and have an extra 4.2 million dollars in cap space next year.

If the leafs could flip Comeau at the deadline then I would be all for this, he is too old on is on pace for a career low in points. He is a 4th line LW, not a 2md line LW. We can't have a 4th liner making 2.4 million dollars next year, we just can't afford to do it.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 16:10:21
Brown is 4th line and making over $2M. But then again, I’ve also been saying we can’t afford him either. We could have just signed Conway in the summer if we wanted him. I don’t think Leafs have any interest in him. I’d rather just keep Brown.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 16:28:37
Just a thought you think Dallas would trade methots LTIR for hortons I mean it has an extra year but I mean it kinda makes sense for them cap wise no?


4.) 20 Feb 2019 17:14:08
I've posted before swapping LTIR of Horton for Methot.


 

 

14 Feb 2019 16:35:21
Smaller trade, but one that may work

To TOR: F - M. Ferland + D - R. McKeown

To CAR: F - C. Brown + F - D. Timashov

A trade that works for both teams. Carolina get 2 young wingers, while giving up a UFA winger and a D prospect (not likely to crack their lineup)

Thoughts?

Leafs drop next year cap by $2.1MM with this trade

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1.) 15 Feb 2019 01:05:17
Timashov for McKeown I think is a fantastic proposal. We have a lot of winger prospects right now, and trading from an area of strength to address an area of weakness is always a good idea. This exchange of prospects you’ve suggested here is a good one. Timashov looks like he will make the NHL one day, possibly next year. But Leafs have so much depth for that position, it’s best we look at other options for him maybe. The same can be said with regards to McKeown in Carolina. This trade doesn’t help us immediately, but it is always a smart idea to keep eye on the future.

Brown for Ferland has been tossed around a lot. I’m not to keen on that idea myself. I just think Brown is too valuable a player to be trading for a rental. Sure, Ferland is a great player. He’s on pace to score about 20 goals and 40 points. But by way of comparison, Grabner had 25 goals at the deadline last year (10 more than Ferland) and was traded for 2nd+. Yes, Ferland brings some “grit” to the team, but so does Brown. Carolina is only asking for a 1st+ for Feeland, and most articles I’ve been reading seem to think he’s not even going to get that much return for Carolina.

As always TorontoBuds, I loved this proposal of yours. You know exactly where the teams weaknesses and strengths are, and always looking for ways to improve the team without going crazy. I look forward to seeing what you come up with next.


2.) 15 Feb 2019 03:14:04
Thanks LeafsGM, I just think for cap reasons the Leafs will need to part with Brown anyways.


 

 

12 Feb 2019 23:02:11
Always seems to be the Leafs and Canes linked.

Scott Darling is dead money that the Canes would like to rid themselves of. 2 years left at $4MM after this season.

To TOR: D - D. Hamilton + G - S. Darling

To CAR: D - N. Zaitsev + F - C. Brown + F - N. Horton

Horton will be owed $3.6M next season in cash while Darling will still be owed over $7M over the next 2 years.

Zaitsev is on a smaller controllable contract for the Hurricanes. Brown is a young player under contract as well.

Leafs get Hamilton largely for taking on Darling.

Leafs gain about $2M in cap space with this move for next season.

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1.) 13 Feb 2019 15:58:03
To get Hamilton leafs would have to add the canes are not really in cap trouble.


2.) 13 Feb 2019 16:02:27
Ok let's be realistic here, the hurricanes would want much more then what your offering up. I would say a second round pick, and a good prospect such as Rasanen would get the deal done.


3.) 13 Feb 2019 16:16:58
The canes are a floor team because they are a budget team. They are not a team that wants to spend millions on someone that is not playing for them. It's not a cap issue for the Canes, more of a money issue. Darling is a bad contract.


4.) 13 Feb 2019 17:33:39
So, to rid themselves of Darlings $4x2 contract, the Canes take on Zaitsev’s $4.5x5 contract, and Horton’s contract, whatever that equals? As Horton’s contract is not covered by insurance, the notoriously thrifty Canes would be paying all that money out of pocket. I’m not sure the Canes are going to be up for that one. Darling would saturate us in goalies anyway.

As much as we all would like to dump Zaitsev on someone, it’s not going to be this easy. Basically, this trade amounts to Zaitsev and Brown for Hamilton. Mathematically, Brown is the difference between Hamilton-Zaitsev. As overrated as Hamilton might be, he’s still a top 50 defenseman and 1RHD. I mean, this is a fantastic trade for Leafs, but Carolina can get way better offers.


 

 

10 Feb 2019 22:22:52
What would it take to get Pietrangelo?

Package is a 1st, a quality prospect and young roster player (Much like the McDonagh trade). Would this work?

2 trades simultaneous

To TOR: D - B. Chiarot + 2019 1st round pick

To WNG: D - J. Gardiner + F - P. Lindholm

then

To TOR: D - A. Pietrangelo + F - P. Maroon

To STL: F - C. Brown + D - N. Zaitsev + 2019 1st (WNG) + F - D. Timashov + 2019 4th (STL)

STL gets Brown and Timashov as young assets and Zaitsev who has a contract with term plus a 1st and 4th round picks

New Leafs D

Rielly Muzzin
Dermott Pietrangelo
Hainsey Ozhiganov
Chiarot

Maroon slots in where Brown was in the line up. The Leafs bring up Trevor Moore to backfil for Lindholm

For next season, cap out the door is $6.6MM. Cap in the door is $6.5MM

Torontobuds

1.) 11 Feb 2019 00:25:48
The easy answer is that he is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. But more seriously, I think the answer to the Pietrangelo question is simple: because Pietrangelo has the same term left on his contract as Muzzin, the time value is equal. So the difference is going to come from comparing their stats and the difference between them. Personally, it doesn’t look to me like Pietrangelo’s stats are significantly better than Muzzin’s, and they are both ranked top 50. So the premium for Pietrangelo over Muzzin probably isn’t a huge significance. Though I guess that’s subjective and depends on individual bias more than anything.

At any rate, Blues are looking good lately and have managed to claw their way back to playoff contention, so I don’t think we’ll be seeing Pietrangelo going anywhere any time soon.


2.) 11 Feb 2019 00:29:24
Think the Blues tune has changed with the run they are on.


3.) 11 Feb 2019 01:22:08
No chance on the Winnipeg trade. The Jets won't give up a roster player and their first for a #4 D.


4.) 11 Feb 2019 16:41:11
Blues are in a playoff spot right now. Petro is not for sale. If he was it would take.

Kappy, sandin 1st. If zaits is involved more.


5.) 11 Feb 2019 16:42:22
The fact that you think muzzin and petro are similar shows your hockey knowledge. Petro is top 10 Dman in league top 5 rhd. Muzzin isn't even top 30. So to sit here and say they have similar value is just your personal bias and bad judgement.


6.) 11 Feb 2019 18:31:33
I like the idea, not sure if the leafs give up enough in the Winnipeg deal though, maybe add a 3rd or Stotts or something like that.


7.) 11 Feb 2019 20:47:43
@redwing

Or it could be your bias thinking Petro is worth so much. Why don’t you put up some statistics to support your biews? Show me why Petro is worth so much. Show me a precedent. Right now you’re just stating your opinion as fact and have no support.


8.) 11 Feb 2019 20:53:42
Right now NHL has Muzzin is ranked 22nd and Pietrangelo is ranked 38th. So even your ranking is out dated at best. A simple stat comparison would also support Muzzin currently as being the superior player.

I mean, it’s not just me telling you this either. So don’t pretend like I’m the only one saying your valuation fpr pietrangelo is too high.


9.) 11 Feb 2019 21:30:18
Muzzin

29, 6’3”, 215lbs, 5g, 24pts, +13, 21:32 atoi, 101 blks, 121 hits, 69gv, 12tks, 51.0%cf, ranked 22nd

Pietrangelo

29, 6’3”, 210lbs, 6g, 21pts, -6, 23:48atoi, 91blks, 41hits, 33gvs, 24tks, 51.9cf%, ranked 38th

Very similar stats. Very comparable players. Looking at the stats and rankings seems to support the viewpoint that Pietrangelo is definitely not worth any significantly different than Muzzin.


10.) 12 Feb 2019 03:25:27
Well well there @Leafs GM your really giving it to hotwing69 nice posts! I agree I believe parayko is a good talent but no Karlsson and the way that cat gets on you swear he’s talking about Scott Niedermyer or Lidstrom in their prime. Like I said Parayko would be a great edition but we need solid depth Dman. We have two 50pt + Dman we need someone to scare the competition away from Anderson I’m big on Gudas.


11.) 12 Feb 2019 11:25:20
Petro is the better player. End of story.

Put your analytics away LeafsGM.

It's called the eye test.

Redwing1 is correct.

The bias over realism lies with you.


12.) 12 Feb 2019 11:27:19
Only you would rate muzzin higher than petro. Let go to main boards and see.


13.) 12 Feb 2019 21:22:52
I just checked with the main board on NHL talk. There is not one poster who thought muzzin was close to petro. They did however think muzzin was a better fit, only becuase of the price paid.

So please in the future try not to be a bias homer so much.


 

 

07 Feb 2019 20:36:31
To CAR: F - C. Brown + 2019 4th round pick

To TOR: F - M. Ferland + D - R. Mckeown

Leafs get a grittier LW for the playoffs, and a D prospect for depth. Carolina gets a young winger under contract and a middle pick

Torontobuds

1.) 07 Feb 2019 23:05:04
McKeown has some good potential. A real solid defenseman and RHD, he could fit into Leafs long term plans fairly readily. +34 last year and already +16 this year. Sure, it’s AHL, but those are still pretty impressive numbers for a young guy like him playing in the second most competitive league in the world.

I’m not sure Carolina bites on this deal, but asking for McKeown as throw-in would be good practice. Even if he never makes MHL, at least we would have something tangible after Ferland leaves for free agency this summer.


 

 

 

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20 Feb 2019 17:14:08
I've posted before swapping LTIR of Horton for Methot.

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20 Feb 2019 14:30:35
What I'm saying is if you want to move Gardiner, the return will be far greater than what was proposed.

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20 Feb 2019 14:05:29
Dumping who's salary? Gardiner is a UFA. That is not who needs to get dumped.

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20 Feb 2019 12:42:37
You have made the Leafs worse in the first trade.

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20 Feb 2019 12:41:57
Although I don't see the Leafs moving Gardiner unless he's packaged in something big. You have sorely misjudged his value. The Rangers would be sending McQuaide ++ to get Gardiner.

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