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14 Nov 2018 12:30:25
As much as I still want to resign Nylander, got to think about trading. The only package worth taking is good young player for a good young player or top prospect and a 1st, and the prospect needs to be near NHL ready.

A few options:

To TOR: D - D. Hamilton

To CAR: F - W. Nylander + D - A. Nielsen

Or

To TOR: D - R. Pulock + 2019 3rd

To NYI: F - W. Nylander

Or

To TOR: D - D. Fabbro + 2019 1st

To NSH: F - W. Nylander

Torontobuds

1.) 14 Nov 2018 14:47:58
I like the Nashville trade the best. But Leafs don’t get anything to help them right away is all, while Nashville gets an immediate boost to their offense. The reason I like the Nashville trade more is because those guys will be under control for a long time, and will be really starting to come in as part of the new core after guys like Kadri, Tavares, Zaitsev, etc all start to get in to their 30’s and start declining.


2.) 14 Nov 2018 21:16:51
So a there are a few things here that I would like to talk about
1. Why do you think Carolina would trade Hamilton after that blockbuster trade during the draft to acquire him? I'm just curious and I'm wondering if it could actually happen in Carolina really is all-in.

2. I don't think Pulock is worth trading Nylander to me. He is a great defencman for sure, but I just don't think giving up an elite forward for a top 4d and a 3rd is a good deal, it sounds a lot like the Hall for Larsson deal

3. I think if the leafs trade Nylander they will upgrade their defence, and even if this wasn't the case, Fabbro is not the guy I think they would go after. It would probably be another elite player or a package of top 6 forwards.


3.) 14 Nov 2018 23:04:26
Fabbro is a good start but that 1st round pick is going to be #30 or #31.
Not nearly enough for Nylander.
Tolvanen, Fabbro and Allard for Nylander plus a pick or prospect is much more reasonable.


4.) 15 Nov 2018 14:01:38
The difference between the Pulock trade and Hall trade is the Leafs do add a pick. Had Edmonton got something else, at least there would be another variable. I think Pulock is good, all players listed are former 1st round picks.

As for Hamilton, I believe Carolina made that trade as they had troubles signing the players. Would Carolinas D still be good without Hamilton, yes. They would get a superior F in Nylander vs Lindholm.

Fabbro I would only do on condition that he signs. He's in college.

Yes the 1st will be low, but still a 1st and great for trade deadline capital.


 

 

10 Nov 2018 15:56:14
First off, I think the Leafs should not Nylander. Make him sit if he doesn't sign while the team wins a cup, no bigger FU to him if that happens!

To ANA: F - J. Bracco + D - E. Rasanen

To TOR: D - J. Manson

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1.) 10 Nov 2018 16:11:13
No chance Anaheim makes that trade. Manson is top 50 in league (NHL has him ranked 34th) . He’s off to another amazing start. Just keeps getting better and better. May even be top 20 by end of year if his season keeps up strong. Four years left on a very reasonable $4M contract. A package of picks/ prospects is not out of question, especially given Anaheim’s contract and salary cap situation. But would have to be a significantly better offer than what is proposed here.


2.) 10 Nov 2018 16:20:57
Brown+ Rosen+ 1st Round for Manson.


3.) 10 Nov 2018 17:37:17
No chance

Two unproven guys for top 4 dman in NHL?


4.) 10 Nov 2018 22:49:23
Might not be enough unless Rosen is valued high on ducks list. plus a contract spot is tough to come by the ducks at moment.

Good starting point. if ducks Gm don't hang up phone on him, Dubas and him may meet each other for drinks to discuss this in more detail. Manson is perfect target.

Please Dubas try. heck give Nylander his 8million and trade Kapanen and 2nd Rd pick for Manson
Or add Steel and 2nd Rd pick into deal and just hand over Nylander. just get er done somehow. yeah, if you can read between lines I want Manson. more than Pesce, Faulk, Barrie, Contour, Sanheim. more than any. I WANT MANSON. PLEASE!

Yes that was yelling.


5.) 11 Nov 2018 00:15:41
Manson is in jail in California, be careful what you wish for. if you hell to loud

Someone offers me Seth Jones for Nylander + Gardner + 1st I would really think about doing it .


 

 

07 Nov 2018 12:44:56
The Leafs have been poor asset managers the past year, where they should have traded away JVR and Gardiner and acquired a minimum of 2 1st's for those guys.

Also, all 3 of Nylander, Marner and Matthews should be under contract by now. By waiting thr price tags are going up!

Trade of prospects

To COL: D - R. Sandin

To TOR: D - C. Timmins

Swap of prospects of LHD for RHD

Also on Nylander, a 2 year bridge

Hes already sat out nearly 20% of the games, so what about this

Year 1 $3M
Year 2 $5M

Cap hit of $4M, but his jump off on his next deal is at $5M. He'll lose less than $1M in cash on this deal

Thoughts?

Torontobuds

1.) 07 Nov 2018 15:22:09
you can't force guys to sign, it's there right to hold out. The only way to get them to sign early in this case is and overpay! we don't have the luxury to do so even without Tavares. All this pecese talk for Nylander will be worse than hall for larsson. 2.0 anyone?


2.) 07 Nov 2018 17:48:06
I’m all for the Colorado trade. Avs need LHD just as bad as we need RHD.

I disagree on the signing comment. First off, in my eyes, Matthews value has dropped aignificantly because of injuries. The longer he’s out, the less he’s worth. As for the Nylander signing, it works in the teams favor to wait last minute to sign him because of the way the cap works: he carries a cheaper cap hit for the duration of his contract following this year. The offer you suggest isn’t anywhere close to what he’s worth, and I wouldn’t accept it either if I was him.


3.) 07 Nov 2018 18:34:32
If anyone thinks Matthews is signing for anything less then what is rumored 12-12.5ish if not more, then they r nuts. He will get his money. Easy signing for Leafs.

Couple of injuries is no cause for concern. Doesn't play reckless or dumb.


4.) 07 Nov 2018 19:00:24
On a 2 year bridge, that is market for Nylander. It's on longer deal he could get more. Kucherov was at $4.8M on a 3 year bridge.

As for Matthew's, I feel if they addressed it, he could have signed for $11M last year.


5.) 07 Nov 2018 19:05:45
@rocket

I’m not going to argue with you on it over a couple bucks. We are definitely signing Matthews long term for big bucks. But I will say that dislocating both shoulders in less than a year is a cause of concern. Shoulder injuries are longer lasting and more prone to re-injury because of the ball amd socket type joint they are, as opposed to the hinge style joints in the rest of the body. Depending on how long he’s out, and if he gets hurt again (very real possibility), could have impact on how much he signs for.


6.) 07 Nov 2018 19:12:26
Not sure why people get so hung up on LHD RHD. Babcock says says he prefers it and people get all goofy.

Been saying it for awhile focus on talent and fit not which way guy shoots. Good chance Leafs get RHD this year but hopefully which he shoots should not be #1 reason for getting certain guy


Timmons has not shown anymore then Sandin to this point. I know Timmos is injured

Don't understand trade suggestion

Take Sandin be happy. Let it play out for couple years. No one has said Timmons is much better.


7.) 07 Nov 2018 20:13:01
I don't think we should make Sandin for Timmins. By the time Timmins is ready he will be 3rd pairing behind Liljegren and Zaitsev and possibly could be battling with Rasanen when his contract in the KHL is up or someone the Leafs trade for.


8.) 07 Nov 2018 21:50:04
Nylander won't sign a 2 year deal unless you pay him 14 plus million. anything less than that wouldn't be worth this holdout.

Timmins for Sandin is a fair deal and a good thought but I don't think it ever happens.

Now Gardiner for Timmins or Johnson for Sandin is more what we will see. One team berids themself of a vet for a solid B+ level prospect.

That's my thought take it how you wish and keep proposing.


9.) 07 Nov 2018 23:19:08
No way in hell Matthews is worth US$12 million to US$12.5 million a season on a long-term deal of 8 years. Marner is easily worth US$9.5 million on an 8 yr deal which I think is fair. Matthews is around US$10 million a season like his buddy Eichel on an 8 yr deal which is more than fair. McDavid's contract of US$12.5 million a season was assinine on his GM's (Chiarelli) part and is not even worth US$11 million/ season.


10.) 08 Nov 2018 00:28:59
Sandin (LHD) for Timmins (RHD) looks fine on paper but Timmins has already suffered more than one serious concussion and still isn't playing while he recovers from the latest.
To risky IMHO.


11.) 08 Nov 2018 01:54:03
NylanderMagic

Doesnt matter what you think Matthews and McDavid are worth. Fact is McDavid got his money and so will Matthews as I said around 12 mil. Not my rule just reality.

Funny you say what you say then come out and say Marner is worth 9.5. Not a chance.

I wish we could make a bet because like it or not Matthews gets his money.


12.) 09 Nov 2018 22:32:20
are we just ignoring the fact that this clown wanted to trade JVR and Gardiner like what goes through your head dude. Who trades a first/ second line winger and a top 4, 2nd best D on this team, from a team who is going to make the playoffs. This isn't 2014 anymore dude they're not tanking get your head out of your ass.

IF ANYTHING if you were going to trade them you trade them for guys who would be able to contribute at a high NHL level the next year NOT for first rounders who won't be on this team for about 5 years. Even then you wouldn't get the value for them back that you get from them in the final season and PLAYOFFS because JVR would be a rental and Jake had 1 year left on the table.


 

 

20 Oct 2018 14:23:08
A trade that could help both teams. The Blues are tight up against the cap this season and the Leafs will be next season.

To TOR: D - J. Bouwmeester (1 year left at $5.4MM cap hit) Cash paid is $5.4MM

To STL: F - N. Horton (2 years $5.3MM cap hit) Cash paid is $8.1MM

Best for both teams, Bouwmeester has been a healthy scratch for STL, Horton would go LTIR for them and allow them to get cap relief. The Leafs have cap space this season to eat Bouwmeester's contract and then cleared of it in the offseason.

I think this is a win win, Dubas pick up the phone and call STL!

Torontobuds

1.) 20 Oct 2018 16:19:26
The Leafs will be tight against the cap next year? They will be fine.


2.) 20 Oct 2018 18:02:22
It álmost makes too much sense that it won't happen. but it's a good way around both teams cap problems. don't know if league will approve Horton moving again since he will never play. but that's not for me to decide so the thought is a good one.


3.) 20 Oct 2018 21:17:20
I like this idea too.

We can throw them Gardiner too and take back a prospect/ pick. They can use Giveaway a lot more than we could. Rather earn a return on him than lose him for nothing.


4.) 20 Oct 2018 22:29:06
DBF

without trades, no they most certainly will not.


 

 

20 Oct 2018 14:03:44
If the Leafs do bring Nylander back, they will be tight up against the cap next season.

To NYI: D - N. Zaitsev + F - J. Bracco + D - E. Rasanen

To TOR: D - R. Pulock

Good for both teams. Toronto upgrades at RHD, NYI get a solid RHD signed LT along with two quality prospects for their build on the fly

Sign Matthews - 8 year $96M ($12M AAV)
Sign Nylander - 4 year $19M ($4.75M AAV
Sign Marner - 7 year $56M ($8M AAV)

With this, they will fit under the cap for next season, have all 3 under contract and none of the contracts will expire in the same season (Nylander 4, Tavares 7, Marner 8, Matthews 9)

Nylander can then look for a larger pay day in 4 years with great production, up to him!

Torontobuds

1.) 20 Oct 2018 16:20:03
Not necessarily. It all depends on how much they sign him for, or is that too logical for you?


2.) 20 Oct 2018 18:00:43
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
For
Pulock
I think we should keep Bracco and Rasanen, they show real promise and could be multimillion dollar players in the future.


3.) 20 Oct 2018 18:03:43
Not bad but either take out a Rasanen or add something for islanders. Pulock isn't that good. he is just cheaper.


4.) 20 Oct 2018 21:06:52
I don’t think Nylander would accept that offer or he would have been playing already.

Trading Zaitsev for pulock doesn’t really help our situation much. I would try to find a way to bring Pulock in without losing Zaitsev.


5.) 21 Oct 2018 16:52:37
@DBF They will be right if all 3 sign large LT deals. Is that hard for you to understand, look at the math before commenting.

As for trading Zaitsev for Pulock, I feel Pulock has a higher ceiling. Assuming Liljegren will make the jump to the NHL next season, that would provide the Leafs with a top 4 D next season of

Rielly Pulock
Dermott Liljegren

To me that looks like a solid top 4.


6.) 22 Oct 2018 00:02:56
Don't mind that top four at all. I've read many posts on Zaitsev and for what it's worth here is my view.

If u take a look at say the top 10 teams in the league last year, there are similarities on how they spend money. But bottom pairing salaries are pretty low.

On the leafs, assuming they trade for someone to play with Reilly and Liljegren moves up to play second pair with Dermott, that leaves Zaitsev on third pair. 4.5 for third pair may be too much

On the other hand his value isn't high so likely getting very little return, especially with the length of contract

To me they decide to play him as the veteran on the third pair next year or move him this year. Of course this all hinges on Liljegren being ready.


 

 

 

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17 Nov 2018 18:51:20
This actually would not be a bad deal, however I would want the Flyers to throw in D - P. Myers and the Leafs can send F. J. Bracco the other way.

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17 Nov 2018 18:47:03
The issue with the 2nd deal, I don't really see an upside in Ritchie over Leivo, if given mins Leivo produces.

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17 Nov 2018 18:45:49
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15 Nov 2018 14:01:38
The difference between the Pulock trade and Hall trade is the Leafs do add a pick. Had Edmonton got something else, at least there would be another variable. I think Pulock is good, all players listed are former 1st round picks.

As for Hamilton, I believe Carolina made that trade as they had troubles signing the players. Would Carolinas D still be good without Hamilton, yes. They would get a superior F in Nylander vs Lindholm.

Fabbro I would only do on condition that he signs. He's in college.

Yes the 1st will be low, but still a 1st and great for trade deadline capital.

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12 Nov 2018 05:04:30
Take Ferland out and it's a good deal. Maybe add something a bit less.

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