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23 Sep 2019 19:18:29
Trading of futures who can benefit from a different team

To EDM: F - J. Bracco + D - J. Holl + 2020 4th round pick

To TOR: F - R. McLeod + 2020 2nd round pick

Bracco is in the final year of his ELC, and should be on an NHL club, although he may not make the Leafs. EDM could benefit from a speedy goal scorer to play with McDavid. Holl is included as the Leafs may lose him to waivers anyways.

The Leafs get in return a C prospect that has 3 years left on his ELC and improve their draft position in the upcoming draft

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1.) 23 Sep 2019 23:15:53
If Bracco doesn't make the leafs as the 3rd line winger 2 unit PP guy to start the season any else is a waste. Best to get a prospect for him and if the deal you suggested edmonton ap Proves well hen i'd say take it while you can.

McLeod is an ok Center. More defensive thsn offensive so at best i see him as a 3rd line defensive specialist who wins faceoffs.

Bracco odviously has a way better offensive game. Not the speedy goal scorer i just read but more a playmaker with good edges but isn't that fast straight skating.
I love his playmaking skills and his vision. i'm not saying he is doesn't have the talent because he does. Unfortunetly the leafs have 7 of these players now and another 4 in their teens going to be ready. Bracco is stuck. Too good for the AHL but too many of him on the leafs already established.

Now put him on a team that needs a player of his skill like say edmonton well then you might just see how good he is. Get a prospect and a better pick and i think you have something here.

Well done.


2.) 24 Sep 2019 00:44:29
I'm really not sure Bracco has NHL hockey in him. He never looks good in pre season and never makes even 4th line out of camp. I'm all for trading him. He's a small guy but also slow, doesn't score much and even if he did score, would be a minus player. His defensive game is abyssal. He definitely needs a change of scenery which would hopefully (for his sake) give him a confidence boost. Rather take a second and a third though if it was available.


3.) 24 Sep 2019 01:30:26
McLeod is a good choice too. He’s a big kid, and from what I’ve read, he definitely has nhl potential. But like Bracco, he might get lost with all the Leafs depth they have. Whether winger or forward, Leafs have a lot of depth up front (defense is looking good now too) . Any player coming into Toronto’s system has a long wait ahead of him before he will get a chance to crack the lineup. I agree with LeafsLife. If Bracco doesn’t make the team in any meaningful capacity this year and Dubas decides to trade him, I think a pick would be the better option. McLeod will be at least three years older than anyone we draft this summer. That doesn’t give him a lot of time to make an impact on this team before he too is written off as too old and passed by younger recruits. An 18 year old drafted this summer though would have lots of time to get nhl ready before the five year period is up and we have to start looking at cheaper options to replace all the big contracts that will be due.

Not sure anybody will take Holl in a trade. We have a bunch of depth guys that are all going to be in the same position as Holl once Dermott and Hyman get back. We will have to waive at least three or four guys to make salary work, and I expect Holl to be one of them. Everyone can see the position Leafs have put themselves in by signing so many depth guys. They just have to wait a month or two and can claim them off waivers. Trade value for those guys is basically nil, unless for some strange reason Edmonton really feels Holl could make an impact on their defense as well, I don’t think they would trade a pick for him. There will be lots of plugs like him available on waivers this year.


4.) 24 Sep 2019 12:27:08
I agree much like they were saying about Petan last night there is no room for Bracco on this team so recouping picks or different style prospects would be great I think our opening night roster maybe something close to this

Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Kapenen Tavares Marner
Moore Kerfoot Korshkov
Mikheyev goat Spezza

Reilly Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Sandin Harpur

Andersen hutch.


5.) 24 Sep 2019 14:23:20
Thanks guys, just figuring a young defensive C prospect is what the Leafs need. The Leafs are set for the foreseeable future at the 1C and 2C positions, and depth at the 3C and 4C is where they can improve.

Also adding another 2nd round pick helps offset the loss of the 1st. Edmonton's 2nd could be like 15 spots lower than where the Leafs would have been picking anyways.


6.) 24 Sep 2019 14:47:39
Not sure who McLeod is but I like the idea. Bracco would probably start the season on the Leafs 3 years ago but they are loaded up from now and don't need a smallish skill player right now. I can see the Leafs using players like Bracco during the trade deadline to acquire help where needed.


7.) 24 Sep 2019 19:51:06
I don't think the leafs need a 3C or a even a prospect for one unless he is 18 and needs 3-5 years for development.


 

 

17 Aug 2019 15:01:38
To NYI: F - A. Johnsson + D - R. Sandin

To TOR: D - R. Pulcok + F - M. Dal Colle + 2020 3rd round pick

With the Leafs swapping out their top LHD prospect, and sending a young winger signed for 4 more years they get in return a top 4 RHD plus a young player who needs a change of scenery

Torontobuds

1.) 18 Aug 2019 02:56:46
Then we would be entering the season with Dal Colle, Mikheyev, Petan. Moore as our LW. Basically, 4 rookies on the LW.


2.) 18 Aug 2019 14:25:29
Petan and Dal Colle are far from rookies, but I understand your point. The Leafs could dip into the FA pool and add a veteran LW if they want as they save cap space with this deal.


3.) 18 Aug 2019 16:49:09
Yeah maybe they can sign marleau right torontobuds?
👍🤪.


 

 

13 Aug 2019 13:22:07
To NYI: F - K. Kapanen + F - Y. Korshkov

To TOR: D - R. Pulock + F - K. Bellows

Bellows did not adjust as well to the AHL as the Isles would have preferred.

A swap of young players and prospects, lowers the Leafs Cap hit this season by $1.2M

The added value for the Isles here is Kapanen is on a solid new 3 year deal

Torontobuds

1.) 13 Aug 2019 14:04:18
This deal is pretty straight forward
speedy 20 goal scoring forward with an older prospect

for
defensive at best 2nd pairing dman but younger prospect

all of torontobuds points are bang on

this deal also forces wilde and dobson to speed up their development. that would be one of the reason the islanders say no but other than that the deal is pretty close in value

well thought out trade.


2.) 13 Aug 2019 15:03:13
The inclusion of Bellows might be a deal killer. As far as I know, NYI are still pretty high on him. Korshkov of course having such a bad injury riddled season, his value is lowest it could possibly be. So if Kapanen = Pulock, does Korshkov get you Bellows?

Pulock is a 2RHD that would be 1RHD on Leafs. A huge improvement over Hainsey nonetheless. I think he would make a great complement for beside Rielly.

This deal really does make a lot of sense. Both teams trading from area of strength to address areas of weakness. Craigger and TorontoBuds both make very good points here. If Leafs trade Kapanen, I would hope we could get a return like this.


3.) 13 Aug 2019 17:31:14
Thanks guys, I think the added value here is that Kapanen is already signed to a quality 3 year deal and is still an RFA when it's up. The Leafs will have to make decisions next summer on their D-line, included if they add Pulock
Barrie - UFA
Muzzin - UFA
Ceci - UFA
Dermott - RFA
Pulock - RFA.


4.) 13 Aug 2019 19:22:41
I think if you just do kapanen for Pulock it would be fine but if I’m dubas I’d want a deal in place with Pulock but I still think the leafs need to find that stay at home guy.


5.) 13 Aug 2019 20:59:16
I don’t think we would have any real hard decisions. Dermott, Rielly, Pulock are protected so we retain them. Promote Liljegren and Sandin. Let all the UFA’s go. Keep Harpur as he meets the minimum requirements to be exposed for the expansion draft. We have a couple other plugs we could use for depth or get a couple more UFA guys if need be.


 

 

12 Aug 2019 17:12:11
To TOR: D - R. Ristolainen + F - S. Reinhart

To BUF: D - C. Ceci + F - K. Kapanen + F - Z. Hyman + D - M. Hollowell

Cap In = $9.05
Cap Out = $9.95

Torontobuds

1.) 12 Aug 2019 18:01:49
Honestly I would prefer Kapanen over Reinhart, partly because Reinhart would likely end up on the 3rd line and while he probably can’t produce there, Kapanen likely can.

Ristolainen isn’t the defenceman we need. We have Barrie on the right side now. We don’t need more offensive defenceman. We need more of a rubbish down guy like Pesce.


2.) 12 Aug 2019 18:22:51
Personally I think Buffalo would rather keep letting Reinhart play 2C
than attempt to find a chemistry partner for Kapanen.

Ceci is a downgrade from Ristolainen and I don't think Buffalo values Hyman and Hollowell enough to make up differance. again, just my opinion as for all i know Buffalo could love this deal. I just don't think they would.

I have no clue how Ristro and Reinhart are valued by the Leafs but i think its something to ponder.


3.) 12 Aug 2019 18:37:58
I meant to say shut down guy, not sure where rubbish came from.


4.) 12 Aug 2019 18:56:07
good points themostleaf33.i think both sides might pass on this kind of deal.


5.) 12 Aug 2019 21:07:45
Ya I agree.


6.) 13 Aug 2019 00:00:03
Buffalo doesn’t need Ceci or Hollowell. They have enough RHD for now. And I’m going to assume they value Reinhart more than the combination of Kapanen + Hyman.

Buffalo gives up the two best players in this deal. Which is probably enough to kill the deal. The strong get stronger and the weak get weaker.


7.) 13 Aug 2019 02:03:36
Really bad.


 

 

02 Aug 2019 12:11:49
Minor deal

To WNG: D - J. Holl + 2020 6th round pick

To TOR: 2020 3rd round pick

Then sign D - M. Stone to a 1 year $700K deal for depth

Stone will have an opportunity to compete with Ceci for 2nd pair minutes

Torontobuds

1.) 02 Aug 2019 12:19:13
Forgot to add, 2 other reasons for this. Babcock does not seem to have trust in Holl and the Leafs can upgrade their pick. The Leafs have lots of picks in 2020, but mostly in the 6th and 7th round. Leafs could add another back end pick if needed to move up.


2.) 02 Aug 2019 12:27:00
I agree, Holl is not a babcock guy. Maybe Pittsburgh will want him as he is best buds with Bjustad and Shultz. I know that means nothing in the NHL where your buddies are but hey its worth a try.

The only thing I don't agree with is the value for Holl. Holl for a 7th rounder at best. If leafs want a higher pick for him they will have to give up the next round pick for him.

Stone is worth the low risk low reward. give him a PTO and that's it. If he makes it great if not he just gets released from his PTO.


3.) 02 Aug 2019 13:22:59
Holl might be able to upgrade a 5th to a 4th but not much beyond that. The target iant a bad chalice either, you could also debate on sending him to vegas, Vancouver, or Usain him as an insurance policy when the expansion draft happens (probably most likely scenario)


4.) 02 Aug 2019 14:03:10
Ok fair. The Leafs do have 2 4th round picks and could pick swap with that. I just look at the draft that the Leafs do not need to pick 10 players.


5.) 02 Aug 2019 18:17:22
Do Leafs really need any more depth guys though? We just signed so many of them. I can’t even keep up with the signings. I think at this point, it’s go gong or go home. There’s just nothing left but the Marner situation.


6.) 02 Aug 2019 23:29:34
Agree with leafgm.7 signed guys who i can't remember all them at once worth the life of me. let alone those europesn league guys they signed. geesh. lol.


7.) 03 Aug 2019 12:08:16
Yes I agree with you, way too many, most are destined for the Marlies. Apparently, it's because the Leafs organization actually wants to pay their minor league players a reasonable salary.

This is more clear out a player that is not in favour with the coach for someone who could comppete.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2019 16:32:32
So trade the Leafs only 2 studs that are tearing up the OHL right now, hmmm that is questionable. Steel would be a good add, but is he worth two really good prospects?

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16 Oct 2019 16:31:28
The Leafs will walk away from Barrie and Muzzin in the offseason and sign Pietrangelo!

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09 Oct 2019 20:42:18
Absolutely not to Sandin and Ceci has looked fine so far. I believe he has 3 pts in 4 games, give him some more time and maybe he is a gem that the Leafs found on an under-performing team like Ottawa.

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08 Oct 2019 19:13:13
The Leafs are almost at the contract limit of 50, so they would actually need to trade away players for picks and prospects.

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07 Oct 2019 17:53:25
So the comment "He is 23 and so far hasn't shown much this year" is far fetched, its 3 games in. I get that you followed it up by saying its early, so why even post it.

Kapanan has far greater value than Jones, I mean if you wanted to flip Kapanen for Jones it will look more like this:

To TOR: F - M. Jones + 2020 2nd round pick

To ANA: F - K. Kapanen.

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