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26 Jun 2017 01:37:24
Apparently Lou was involved in the Harmonic Sweepstakes (JVR and a 2018 first). Joe Sakic dragged his heels and it cost him dearly.

He was offered Hamonic and a 2017 first round pick for Duchesne.

Imagine if he then flipped Hamonic to the Flames for a 2018 first and second and a 2019 second.

In short Dushesne for two first round picks, and two second round picks. WOW!


1.) 26 Jun 2017 12:27:29
When you put it like that, it does make you think Sakic blew it on this one lol! Although, the Isles have a lot of good prospects plus 2 1st's and 2 2nd's to parlay for Duchesne now.

2.) 26 Jun 2017 15:55:33
I'm glad the Leafs didn't make that trade nor should they consider in moving their 1st round picks for players like that. In a few years time, they will be thanking themselves for holding onto that pick.

Patience is the key.

3.) 26 Jun 2017 17:16:49
Couldn't agree more. This shows just how high the price of a top 4 defender is at the moment. With all the JVR trade talk I wonder: How will they replace their second leading scorer from a position of weakness (LW is not highly stocked up at the moment) .

4.) 27 Jun 2017 14:31:02
In a cap era all teams will have some sort of deficiency or area of need. Hopefully, the Leaf's Management will continue to address these over the short and long-term. This is why drafting and developing are so important and why teams like Chicago and Nashville have found success.

The Leafs know they need to be careful about making short-term decisions. As fans, we've seen enough short sighted GM mistakes that the slow patient approach is more than appreciated. The Harmonic deal was being discussed prior to drafting Liljegren. I am sure at the time, the Leafs figured Liljegren would not fall to them. Maybe this experience will further reaffirm their need to stay patient. There is talk that next years draft will be much stronger. I wonder how Calgary will feel having to wait until the 3rd round to make a selection?



14 Jun 2017 00:57:34
This is courtesy of Jonathan Willis of Sportsnet. It mirrors a discussion I had on the discussion page about a little discussed defender.

Florida: Mark Pysyk
Toronto: Connor Carrick, 2018 second-round draft pick, Kerby Rychel

This makes sense on so many levels.


1.) 14 Jun 2017 14:02:17
The Leafs certainly have a need for Pysyk, but I would prefer Petrovic for that much.

But the right idea.

2.) 14 Jun 2017 16:18:09
That seems like a lot for a player who has nevertru found his feet I the NHL. I would rather Petrovic or Demers.



09 Jun 2017 18:19:39
Ana: Bieksa, Manson
Tor: Rychel, Lindberg, 2018 4th round pick.

Bieksa will be given a choice; be bought out or waive his NMC. It's in his interest to waive it.

Anaheim loses the Bieksa contract and gains a spot to protect a young forward/defender and gets a nice package for Manson.

Toronto gets a great RH shot suppressing defender who would slot nicely next to Gardiner or Rielly, Bieksa either plays it out (bottom pair) and plays for his next contract or he goes to Robidas Island and collects. Leafs lose forward prospects but gain a good young defender.

Hope it works. Would love if they sign Jumbo Joe as our extra centre too. We only have two more years of cap space; might as well use it now.


1.) 09 Jun 2017 19:48:52
Manson might be the 4th defender on a deep and talented defense but he's worth more than rychel and Lindberg. Sorry.

2.) 09 Jun 2017 21:15:45
You have to remember the Leafs are taking Bieksa off their hands in this deal, that has immense value for the Ducks.

3.) 10 Jun 2017 00:14:51
Write the deal like this:

Manson = Rychel, Lindberg, 2018 4th, -Bieksa (cap dump/ favour)

Looks pretty balanced to me.

4.) 10 Jun 2017 02:33:06
Also note. A buyout does not help the Ducks cap situation, being 35+ his salary still counts against the cap. $4M for a # 6/ 7 D-man is a pretty hefty price to pay. For the Leafs the up side is he can play LD or RD from the #7 slot and he still hits a ton (37th in the league last year) . An upgrade on Polak. Manson is a good fit with Rielly and moves Carrick to the 3rd pair to develop in protected minutes. Ducks get to keep their top 5 D-men.
Good trade and more even then it seems. Helps both teams. One change; take out the 2018 4th and add Marchenko. Ducks need him to satisfy Ex Draft requirements.

5.) 10 Jun 2017 03:23:12
Ducks have better options than what you are offering. They could offer up Vatanen to ease their cap, get a better return and then protect Manson. I would also venture to say that they will offer LV a higher draft pick to select a certain player if they can't swing a decent trade for one of their D-men.

6.) 10 Jun 2017 12:06:23

Good point on the exposure requirement; that's another favour. The problem is that the Leafs might have to protect Bieksa. Unless he waives it for the Leafs as well, allowing them to protect Manson, leaving Carrick for Vegas.

1) The Ducks have to move Bieksa, they can't afford to buy him out; they have no room cap wise. The best scenario for the ducks cap wise is a similar deal where they move Vatanen and Bieksa.

2) Deals with Vegas are not going to be cheap, they are going to be expensive. Vegas is not there to do the Ducks a favour, they have the Ducks in a blind :-) . The cost will be expensive and it would have to be more than what Manson or Vatanen would be worth and that's more than a 1st. Vegas calls the "shot" :-) .

3) As for GM's moving Dmen. There are only 4 teams that have space for a Dman. The rest have to expose a good Dman to take one they think will be better. Best of luck there.

4) Vegas gets to take up to 13 Dmen. 3 goalies, and the 14 forwards. Why take the maximum number of Dmen? Because they are the best commodity for trading Jan 1st 2018! They will get Vegas the best return. In other words they don't need to deal now; when they can hold a high end auction later.

Don't assume they will be nice about it and help other teams out. They need to maximize their take in this talent heist.

Carolina, NJ, and Toronto have the cap space and the opening to make the trade.

7.) 12 Jun 2017 07:24:29
rather send brown straight up.



25 Dec 2016 03:53:31
Saw these two online so decided to share. JVR only gets traded from a position of strength (forwards) for a position of weakness (defence).

JVR to the Islanders for Pulock (best defensive prospect) and a first round pick
JVR and a second round pick to the Flames for Hamilton

I wonder if in the offseason JVR isn't part of a trade with the Ducks for one of their surplus defenders. Fowler is the obvious choice but I wonder if Lindholm could be pried away.




01 Oct 2016 22:06:46
Saw this online and couldn't believe someone would write this.

For your amusement.

Win: Trouba
Tor:Frankie Corrado
Byron Froese
Matt Hunwick
Two second-round picks (2017)
One first-round pick (2018)


1.) 02 Oct 2016 13:49:53
again I say. we are talking about Trouba, not Drew Doughty. Take out the first, Froese and Hunwick and the Leafs do it.

2.) 02 Oct 2016 15:19:02
Nice, overpayment while not even meeting their needs.

3.) 02 Oct 2016 19:45:32
@shawn9726 u think Froese and hunwick are giving u trouba? I like trouba and think some people underate him and your one of them. Good post Chris

4.) 02 Oct 2016 22:01:33
I think it was originally posted by Chiarelli to soften the blow when he offers:

Eberle, RNH, Yakapov, and 2017 1st for Trouba and Stuart.

5.) 03 Oct 2016 23:01:13
Hey guys I hope you realized it was a post I found interesting. The author clearly overvalues Trouba but if the Jets give him up they'll be expecting something of "equal value". Personally Trouba is a top 4 defender with size; that's it. Not worth a King's ransom IMO.




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28 Feb 2015 20:32:13
In theory Toronto can trade Horton to any team. They would retain 50% of that contract transferring the cap savings to the other team.

In essence Tor can extort a cap team for a MAJOR prospect/concession in exchange for 2.65 in cap savings (especially in a multi player trade). Tor in a rebuild doesn't need the cap relief but wants prospects. Teams like Chicago/LA/Boston are headed for cap hell next year.






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06 Mar 2018 01:07:56
Marleau isn't going anywhere in the first two years of his contract. Year three who knows but why is everyone harping on trading an iron man and consistent scorer like him?




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21 Feb 2018 23:23:25
No to Steal but yes to Dumba. Didn't happen before the expansion draft so it's not happening soon but even then that's a steep price to pay.




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21 Feb 2018 23:22:04
Leafs get rid of the Gleeson hit this year and the Lupul mess to pick up Bobby Ryan's contract?




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21 Feb 2018 23:20:10
Carolina gets fleeced in this one.




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21 Feb 2018 23:19:07
I don't see the Leafs making themselves worse by trading JVR but nothing is impossible. He's 10th on the team with minutes played and plays sheltered minutes at that. He's a defensive liability on the ice and rarely seen in the last period during a close game.

On the other hand he's a tough number to replace (25 goals and counting) .





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