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19 Apr 2018 17:55:29
Leafs trade Martin

islanders trade conditional 7th rounder

Trade up top meaningless

MarquesMen

The leaff top paining in less than two years is

Dermott liljegren

On NBC hockey broadcast Pierre Mcquire calls Dermott a future star in NHL. Reilly will be your 3rd defencemen forever he is still only 24 if memory serves me.

Finding 5 th and 6 th defencemen is easy for any GM to fill so leafs need a solid number 4 right hand shot and I really don't beleive Zaitsev is the guy going forward.

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19 Apr 2018 18:42:37
Dermott and Liljegren will not be a top pair in under 2 years. that's pretty far fetched. I think Dermott will be a star one day too but I'm not sure if he's going to be that much better than Rielly. Still too early to tell how Liljegren's defence will play at the NHL level.

19 Apr 2018 21:00:36
Dermott looks good enough that he makes either Rielly or Gardiner expendable. Rielly is already signed for another four years at a reasonable $5M, while Gardiner hits UFA after next season. Hence, it looks like Gardiner will be shown the door. Hainsey’s contract expires end of next year as well, which opens up a spot for Liljegren.

They might not be your top pairing, but certainly after next season, Dermott and Liljegren will be your second line defense behind Rielly/ Zaitsev.

I’m looking forward to these young guys coming up and putting on a good show.

19 Apr 2018 21:21:58
Personally, I see the defence in two years looking like this:

Rielly- (top 4 D man)
Dermott-Zaitsev
Borgman-Liljegren.

19 Apr 2018 22:35:34
Leafs gm your right again. Two years is a long tine in NHL. Dermott at 24 will be something else he has three gifts already ha is calm moves puck easily out of danger and can skate with the wind.

Reilly is much more offensive but is hard on the nerves inside his own blueline. Gardiner is same as Reilly. Liljegren is a copy of Dermott but is right hand shot.

Leafs gm

Your correct Gardiner is the man who goes.

19 Apr 2018 23:56:26
Mackin is spot on. Gardiner and Rielly are carbon copies of each other. We don’t need them both.

The problem with MarquesMen’s lineups is that top line defensemen that we don’t have yet. Liljegren was drafted with expectation to eventually be our top line RHD. Zaitsev is signed forever. So if we bring in someone, it would have to be for a short term contract, or else we end up burying Liljegren on 3rd line until we can dump Zaitsev.

I never had an issue with the $4.5M we are paying Zaitsev, but 8 years is far too long to be committing to a player who is not top line. And Zaitsev is definitely not a top line defender.

20 Apr 2018 10:39:21
The top 4 d man we'd get would probably have 3-4 years on their contract left. When that finishes, He'd walk and we would extend Liljegren. Put Zaitsev on your third pair, it doesn't really matter. Babs like to even out his minutes anyways, it would just provide us with depth.

19 Apr 2018 02:44:18
All in good fun. I think Leafs need a makeover. Three trades to think about:

Trade 1: Leafs and Kings

Leafs sign JVR to 8 years, $6M

Leafs trade JVR, Gardiner, Brown
LA trades Doughty

Trade 2: Leafs and NYI

Leafs trade Kapanen, Grundstrom
NYI trade Eberle

Trade 3: Leafs and Colorado

Leafs trade Zaitsev, Hyman, 1st
Av’s trade Landeskog

Leafs lineups:

Landeskog/ Matthews/ / Nylander
Marleau/ Kadri/ Marner.

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19 Apr 2018 06:20:37
Leafs lineups after three trades above

Landeskog/ Matthews/ Nylander
Marleau/ Kadri/ Marner
Johnsson/ Eberle/ Grundstrom
Lievo/ Aaltonen/?

Rielly/ Doughty
Dermott/ Liljegren
Holl/ Hainsey

We are still weak 4th line forwards and 3rd line defense.
We could pull in a cheap UFA or two such as Vanek, or re-sign Bozak.

19 Apr 2018 11:32:46
Wasn't Grundstrom just traded to NYI in your proposal?

19 Apr 2018 16:14:29
Dermott and Liljegren as our top 4? That's asking for trouble. Lily is NOT ready for that and Dermott could only do that with a steady partner. Your third line has too much inexperience and you're just taking away our depth with these trades. It's not all about a really good top 6, depth is what gets you far in the playoffs. I say no to all theae.

19 Apr 2018 16:26:06
Oops. So he was. We’ll have to give them someone else. Substitute other prospect or pick as you consider fit.

19 Apr 2018 16:33:32
Yes, he did trade Grundstrom then included him in the lineup. Maybe he forgot to save his game in NHL '18 because that is where this idea came from.

19 Apr 2018 17:09:09
DBF

You criticize Mackin formoosting the same trades over and over, yet you are just as unoriginal. Maybe worse. I’ve read that same stupid comment about NHL ‘18 like twenty times now. You need to come up with some new material. How about “Leafsgm, you can’t even be GM of little league”, or “This trade is so unrealistic it may as well involve unicorns”. I don’t know. But reading the same old insults is tiring after a while.

Why don’t you grow a pair of balls and contribute something yourself. This site is all in good fun. Rumors and speculation. There is no need to be insulting. If you aren’t here to post stuff in fun and become a better armchair GM, then what’s the point.

19 Apr 2018 20:36:32
Here are my lines if this site was a team :

Mackin - Blizzard - LeafsGM
Marquesmen - finniecent - mars bars


DBF - Dermott
Lab - Reilly

We only need to roll 2 lines.

19 Apr 2018 21:37:07
MarquesMen should be on that top line LW side. The kids a beauty, easy 50 goal scorer.

19 Apr 2018 21:43:35
MarquesMen

I pretty much agree with your assessment on these proposals of mine. The fact that I slotted Grundstrom in after i traded him, and still had a? for fourth line RW tells me that Leafs don’t have as much depth as it seems like on paper at first glance. After our top six, the talent and experience e level drops somewhat drastically. Losing JVR and Uncle Leo this year to UFA isn’t a big deal, because we have younger guys in the system who can come up and replace them. But as soon as you start to trade players further down the depth chart, it immediately becomes obvious that unless you are bringing someone else back in, the Leafs quickly run out of options.

18 Apr 2018 20:20:50
Flames Jankowski Bennett Tkachuk

Leafs 1st 2018 Brown Hyman nylander

That's a bigger deal. Leafs would need to replace Hyman type player in free agency.

That's a lot of size going to Toronto and lots of grit skill and defensive help going Calgary plus they need a first round pic.

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18 Apr 2018 20:56:54
Leafs are probably giving up too much in trade above but they get a lot of size coming back.

18 Apr 2018 21:07:08
Leafs centers next season

Matthews
Kadri

These two fight it out at camp for third and forth

Bennett
Jankowski.

18 Apr 2018 21:20:13
That solves Leafs pussywillow problem real quick.

18 Apr 2018 22:35:57
Tkachuk Matthews Kapanan
Marleau kadri marner
Johnson Bennett Grundstrom
Leivo Jankowski free agent

All Boston crap won't work next year.

19 Apr 2018 02:13:42
Buddy. Buddy. Did you see Toronro in game 3? Were fine. Add a dman like Tanev for a 1st maybe, or sign a guy like Carlson, or wait it out for Doughty. We don't win games on physicality or truculence. We played stupid and slow in games 1 and 2, that's why we lost. NOT because of ‘size’ or ‘physicality’.

No need to throw away three of our roster players. I domt care what were getting back, we drafted willy, mitch and auston and we are trying to build with them and NOT TRADE THEM TO GET EVANDER KANE or something like that. No need. Zero. Zilch. Compliment them with minor pieces, maybe physicality on the fourth line, but focus on drafting centres or trading picks for upgrades on defensive dmen like Tanev.

18 Apr 2018 19:33:25
Flames Bennett

Leafs brown 2nd round pic

Flames for sure are trading Bennett he has to from flames gm point of view I'm sure.

Is this a risk for Toronto?

Thoughts

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18 Apr 2018 19:48:03
Flames core but leafs could make offer can't can't refuse on Tkachuk

Tkachuk
Backlund
Gaudreau
Monahan

Flames need skill and scoring and defensive forward in Brown. Leafs Brown can score if put in right situation great on penelty kill.

18 Apr 2018 19:52:25
Add ferland to Calgary core

Tkachuk
Gaudreau
Backland
Monahan
Ferland

That's all they have up front period end of story.

17 Apr 2018 22:15:47
Toronto Brown and Nylander

Calgary Tkachuk

How hard would it be for Calgary to say no to this trade I wonder.

As well as leafs played in game 3 they need more effort in game 4 as Boston will be better.

I'm really hoping there is no let down on Toronto side Thursday night. If we get even with Boston Kadri is back in. I'm really nervous heading into Thursday is leafs fall to 3 to 1 this series is over.

I also get the Martin problem from Babcock point of view he doesn't want Kapanan or Johnsom out of the lineup. Kapanan gets a break a way per game and Johnson adds defensive element as well.

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18 Apr 2018 01:15:57
Right now he is giving all the kids as much playoff experience as possible. It’s obvious Johnson and Kapanen are going to be part of the team for a while if Babcock is playing them over others who might seem more appropriate. It’s a good idea. JVR, Uncle Leo are definitely not coming back.

I think that trade is fair value. Whether Calgary would go for it, I don’t know.

18 Apr 2018 03:16:09
LeafsGM

I really hope leafs bring more Thursday night as I'm sure Boston will.

18 Apr 2018 03:34:01
DBF

Tomorrow leafs have last change. In crutial faceoffs either marleau bozak Matthews or plekantic are going to have to double shift on forth line between Johnson and Kapanan. When faceoffs are in opposing zone either Kapanan Johnson are going to have to play center.

This isn't a small matter the bullying has to stop and it will by the presence of Matt Martin.

18 Apr 2018 07:00:44
I wouldn't trade nylander for tkatchuk straight up. These trades you propose Mackin are god awful.

18 Apr 2018 11:08:50
I honestly don't get how everyone is saying the leafs are getting bullied. The first two games have nothing to do with the physical part of the game, we just got over hustled. The leafs have been hitting back, they're not backing down. Matt Martin being in the line up isn't going to stop everyone running over Marner.

18 Apr 2018 15:17:25
Ok LA kings swept doughty not being traded he played 30 min last night. Is there anyone on LA. Blue line leafs might want there are going to be changes in LA.

18 Apr 2018 18:05:05
Leafsguy76

If leafs wanted Trachuk badly enough Leafs could make them offer they couldn't refuse. Leafs have assets teams would beg for nylander plus for Tkachuk Calgary would really consider it. But do leafs want him badly enough that's the question.

18 Apr 2018 19:07:50
Leafs Gm

We know Calgary defence is ok they have so much talent back there. Smith in goal will be just fine going forward. If you know answer what might be Calgary needs offseason?

Up front leafs are bursting at seams so whatever the Flames want up front Leafs would be their first call.

But again what exactly do the Fames need?

19 Apr 2018 00:04:48
Flames want a scoring winger. We can give them that. Trying to take away Tkachuk would mean we would have to offer them a couple forwards. I think your prooosal Of Nylander and Brown is fair.

17 Apr 2018 05:46:09
To me through 3 games nylander doesn't look great. Although he did register his first point of playoffs.

Calgary trade Tkachuk

Toronto trade Nylander

Curious as a straight up trade. Who do you guys see as winning trade.

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17 Apr 2018 05:58:37
Think of it this way. If Leafs had somehow drafted Tkachuk instead of Nylander, if somehow the draw was different and we took Tkachuk and they took Nylander. Would you be happy with his results so far. I think the answer to that is yes. You would be saying all these wonderful things about Tkachuk same as you are saying about Nylander right now. Tkachuk is obviously a very talented player. There’s no denying his skill and ability to compete. He’s a better goal scorer than Nylander, and is a larger body. If somehow the draft was different and they got Nylander and we got Tkachuk, would you be disappointed in Tkachuk? No.

17 Apr 2018 07:15:13
Good way to look at it and with Tkachuk. With nylander your always wishing 4 more he never seems to give all. I do t k ow what his ceiling is .

17 Apr 2018 07:43:33
I would suppose Calgary would not do nylander Tkachuk straight up. They would view Tkachuk as better player. In that case it would be

Leafs Nylander Brown
Calgary. Tkachuk.

17 Apr 2018 09:06:49
I think a better return on Nylander is a top pairing defenseman. Leafs have wingers for days, and the free agent market is bloated with wingers. There will be bargains to be had if the Leafs find themselves needing to sign a winger. Grabner or Maroon could come cheap after guys like Kane, JVR, Perron, Neal and Stone get paid.

17 Apr 2018 10:47:53
Leafs don't have Tkachuk type player that hard big tough guy who can score along with defence Leafs need a few guys like Tkachuk. Nylander and brown could convince Calgary to do it.

If you listen blizzard he wants Martin in lineup. blizzard knows Martin doesn't bring anything other than if you go dirty Martin is going to clean your clock. But leafs have no other guy to do it Polak is toughest guy leafs have besides Martin. Komarov got knocked into oblivion in game two.

So leafs need to add Tkachuk type element in offseason. Is it too early to bail on Nylander. Leafs will make that call but I'm looking at free agency and wondering who might be a touch guy that can score.

17 Apr 2018 11:32:36
LeafsGM

We see how hot the market is for Evander Kane but I think he brings that toughness and size as well. He can do more than JVR but he can stand in front of the net as well. Just we must be sure he doesn't cause trouble in dressing room. He seems fine in San Jose and Babcock would be much stronger personality to deal with Kane.

17 Apr 2018 13:52:20
I can't think of any players causing trouble on a Babcock team.

17 Apr 2018 14:36:40
I think a better return on Nylander is Hamilton. You would probably have to throw in the Leafs first to get it done and get Calgary to throw in Bennett. Then add Kane and Maroon via free agency.
This Leafs team is good, but not good enough to go deep in the playoffs. They need to be bigger and tougher without sacrificing speed. They also need to improve defense.
Hyman-Matthews-Kane
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Maroon-Bennett-Kapanen
4th line-2 Marlies and a veteran
or
Brown, Nylander, Zaitsev/ Gardiner for Hamilton, Tkachuk and Bennett?

17 Apr 2018 16:09:13
I have a hard time assessing value of forward vs value of a winger. Is Hamilton really worth Nylander? I don’t know. I would say Doughty is for sure But after the top for sure Norris winners, I have a hard time assessing if a defenseman like Hamilton, who is very good, is worth a player of Nylander’s caliber.

17 Apr 2018 16:24:37
If you are seriously arguing that A) Nylander should be traded for another winger rather than a defenceman and B) that Tkachuk would cost both Nylander AND Brown then you are a complete and utter idiot as that would be a vast overpayment.

17 Apr 2018 16:42:10
If we gave Calagary Connor Brown and a 1st round pick I think that would be enough to get Tkachuk. And if we were giving up Nylander we could land a guy like Hamilton.

17 Apr 2018 17:07:48
DBF

We already have to replace JVR. If they trade Nylander off the top line for a defenseman, thwy don’t have anyone of his skill level to cover the position. Unless you think Johnsson or Kapanen are ready to replace Nylander.

17 Apr 2018 19:47:40
Tkachuk and Kapanen could fill that role, and I would like to see Kane signed, and if he's too expensive, a cheaper option like Maroon as a 3rd line winger.

17 Apr 2018 21:20:30
Nylander isn't going to get traded. He' a valuable piece and will be for years to come. Leafs need only stand steady and wait till June draft and July.
Go Leafs!

17 Apr 2018 21:58:30
I got to agree without smacking here. Calgary is very happy with Tkachuk and probably would view him as the better player, just as many on this site view Nylander as the better player. At this stage in their development is is still too early to tell. Both are obviously very talented young men, who will no doubt contribute significantly to each of their respective teams. As Tkachuk is highly valued as a significant part of Flames franchise in the future, it would take a player of at least Nylander’s caliber, and probably a small premium such as Brown, in order to pry him away from Calgary. Nylander for Tkachuk is the center piece of the trade, with Toronto adding incentive because they are the approaching team.

18 Apr 2018 18:46:40
Leafs gm

Nice work with my name smacking. But my point is when leafs decide they want that guy they are well positioned to over pay to close deal.

Assets are galore in Toronto suddenly Engvell shows up at marlies and I'm turning my head like wow here is another one.

Once Leafs hit top they stay there god knows how long . Never seen a build like this from any other team. The closest thing to what leafs are doing is Winnipeg.

16 Apr 2018 21:38:38
Sign Joe Thornton, 1 year 6M

TOR: 2018 first, 2019 second, Josh Leivo

CGY: Sam Bennett, Rasmus Andersson

Next years line:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Johnsson-Kadri-Marner
Marleau-Thornton-Kapanen
Grundstrom-Bennett-Brown

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Hainsey
Dermott-Andersson.

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16 Apr 2018 22:04:48
I hope not.

16 Apr 2018 22:17:29
Yes this 6 million for Thornton your not buying same as marleau. Thornton could be done as in worn out.

16 Apr 2018 22:13:03
CAN you believe this Martin not in the lineup?

Don’t get me wrong, they are going to win tonight no matter who they dress . no concern

. still not the right move for going forward

Silly coach, I’m genuinely shocked!

16 Apr 2018 23:42:46
I’m on your side Blizz. If Leafs start to lose, coach should be sending out Martin to punch Marchand out. Try to get momentum turned. Fight in front of the home crowd is always good. At least if they lose, they go down fighting.

17 Apr 2018 01:08:58
Except who do you sit? Sitting Johnsson for Komarov is already almost questionable. The only way Martin slotting in makes sense would be moving a winger to centre, and not was that a disaster in game 2.

17 Apr 2018 04:34:46
Looking at minute dietribution in game 3. If komarov is out game 4 you replace Moore with Martin a absolute no brainer.

Win Thursday night maybe the tide turns the series and we get Kadri back. Close games are killing me Anderson is fine but that Chara goal he has to stop. But then again he came up Aces in other times when it looked life Boston would score.

17 Apr 2018 09:00:20
Martin doesn't play C. Who plays 4C? Surely not Kapanen or Johnsson. So what, a massive line blender? Johnsson and Moore both looked good tonight. Martin still doesn't fit. Leafs stay the course, with Moore and Johnsson sitting when Kadri and Komarov come back.

17 Apr 2018 10:54:22
Mars bars

I don't know how you do it but Martin really needs to get into lineup game 4. Boston are really taking liberties. Did you see Marchand smiling when he laid out Johnson. Leafs have no one to stand up for players maybe polak that's it. Matthews was getting into pushing matches for god sake.

17 Apr 2018 16:27:25
Replace Moore with Martin? Are you so lacking in knowledge that you don't even grasp that they don't play the same position? And why are you crying about close games when last night's two goal game is the only one that could be even remotely described as close?

18 Apr 2018 03:23:39
DBF

Well Martin needs to get in the lineup so Babcock has to find a way. Do you not see what is happening on the ice BLIZZARD. Does. Murder is being commited by the Bruins and you need Martin to be nearby and then Boston will stop the crap.

Marchand is doing whatever the hell he wants and it's got to stop. The only reason Kadri got suspended is he was trying to stop the crap that Marner is dealing with.

BLIZZARD


Straighten this DBF guy out I'm tired to try to explain stuff to him.

16 Apr 2018 15:50:48
Leafs need to add some real size

Sign Kane $6M for 6 years

Trade Rielly, Nylander and 1st for Tkachuk, Hamilton

Trade Zaitsev, Brown for Larsson and Lucic (Edmonton retains 1.5)

Tkachuk/ Matthews/ Hyman
Kane/ Kadri/ Marner
Lucic/ Marleau/ Kapanen
Johnsson/ Aaltonen/ Grundstrom

Gardiner/ Hamilton
Dermott/ Larsson
Holl/ Hainsey
*Liljegren

Now that’s a team with some real skill and size.

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16 Apr 2018 17:17:08
LeafsGM

Your point is well received if Leafs zero in on players they want they can pay a premium. I would do everything to hold onto Reilly I would extend Gardiner and include him or I would add zaitsev instead and add Brown.

Leafs trade Nylander Brown. Zaitsev first 2018

Calgary Hamilton Tkachuk

The Edmonton thing is easier as Oilers need to find a taker for Lucia . His contract just can't be hidden anymore

Oilers trade Lucic Larson retain 1 million

Leafs trade JVR signed 8 years leafs solve him for Edmonton Gardiner NEILSEN 2 nd 2018 Hyman

16 Apr 2018 16:52:56
I like what your thinking, but I would trade Gardiner and keep Reilly. Swap out Reilly and Gardiner and I think the Leafs finally have a true contender.
I would also put Marleau on the wing. Sam Bennett as the third line center or even Bozak between Tkachuk and Kapanen or between Marleau and Kapanen would be a great third line.
This would make the Leafs fast, skilled and miserable to play against. Larsson can be a real pain to play against.

16 Apr 2018 17:32:21
That's a huge price leafs are paying for

Hamilton and Tkachuk

Nylander zaitsev 2018 first and brown

If fact it may very well be too much but Calgary absolutely make the trade . Leafs change their dynamic totally and are further ahead

Ok Leafs Gm do leafs make major bounce back tonight.

I say Nylander Marner and Matthews have huge game Anderson is solid Leafs 5 Boston 2.

16 Apr 2018 17:42:32
This seems like sarcasm. but if its isnt, wow.

I don't want anything to do with Kane or bloated contract Lucic.

And that Rielly trade is blowing up our team way too much.

16 Apr 2018 18:56:27
LeafsGM would propably agree Reilly stays topshelfslappets and in his trade he isn't blowing anything up. He realizes now is time to fine tune the ship and get the right mix in here leafs are too soft.

Leafs gm sorry for speaking in your behalf I'm just trying to reinforce where your coming from.

16 Apr 2018 20:50:25
@David

I kinda believe it is. that's four pieces of the rebuild (Brown, Rielly, Nylander, Zaitsev) and a 1st that are gone. Now, do I think that every one of Nylander, Rielly, Gardiner, Carrick, Zaitsev, Brown, Grundstrom, Hyman and Marner are going to be Leafs for life? Of course not. But to give up on three of them after their second year, and Rielly just as he is turning into a stud on defence seems abrupt, rash and flat out rushed for no reason.

I am for one not under the impression that we are 'rebuilding'. However, you see many other championship teams, they build their team up and don't just trade for pieces asap. That's what ruined the Leafs before, and I sure don't want it to happen again. Trading for guys like Stempniak, or Raycroft, or this guy or that guy, signing guys like Komiserak or Finger, or Robidas or Clarkson, drafting guys like Biggs, or Percy, or Schenn. It was all stemmed from this idea to 'get better and stronger as soon as possible', and it never works.

maybe this management could pull it off better than ferguson, or burke, or nonis. but i'd rather play it safe than risk another 5-10 years of being mediocre.

16 Apr 2018 21:33:45
This is honestly just asking for trouble.

17 Apr 2018 09:36:13
You got to give to get. I’m with Keon. Keep Gardiner and trade Rielly. You got to think Dermott has proven himself enough to make one of either Rielly or Gardiner expendable. i'm in the Gardiner camp.

Tkachuk has proven himself to look just as good as Nylander, maybe with a better shot, and Hamilton is a monster that would be our1RHD.

Larsson is improvement over Zaitsev.
Kane is improvement over JVR.
Brown is replaced by Kapanen and Johnsson.
Lucic adds size.

It’s not exactly blowing the team up when Gardiner has been around just as long as Rielly. It’s one or the other there from the looks of it, and Brown is third line depth player, and Zaitsev isn’t exactly a hero.

17 Apr 2018 16:01:35
LeafsGM
You know whatever your cooking I'm buying in on it. I'm trying to get my head around your trading Reilly ahead of Gardiner. I'm even making assumption that Gardiner resigns with leafs to a good contract on both sides. How do you let Reilly go b4 Gardiner and Zaitsev?

17 Apr 2018 22:04:48
I agree with LeafsGM. These trades are not "blowing up" the Shanaplan. They are adding valuable pieces to the team, while still maintaining its identity.
I keep Reilly because he is 4 years younger than Gardiner and I don't believe has reached his full potential yet. I also keep Dermott and Hainsey off their current roster. Hamilton and Larsson would be huge upgrades.
Upfront I keep Matthews, Marner, Hyman, Kadri, Kapanen, Johnsson and Marleau.
This keeps the core intact with some veteran leadership.
Adding players like Kane (27), Tkachuk (23), Bennett (22), Hamilton (25) will continue the build with great young players. Some cheap veterans that can still contribute and will come cheap Maroon (30) and Simmonds (30).

17 Apr 2018 15:09:09
The Leafs may be able to pry Nurse and Larsson out of Edmonton if they take Lucic contract. Give Lucic some time to see if he can rebound from a bad year. If he doesn't, put him on waivers or give him a seat beside Lupul.
Calgary does not have a 1st in this years draft, so both Alberta teams will be willing to deal.

16 Apr 2018 16:26:28
Leafs trade nylander zaitsev Brown JVR signed and traded to Oilers 8 year deal.


Edmonton trade Nurse 2018 first round pick Hopkins

This is silly one maybe but my point is nylander and zaitsev bring a ton.

Edmonton need players that can score and they need speed this fixes Edmonton in one big trade. Oilers have no shot at JVR without Leafs dropping him on their lap.


JVR only interest in Edmonton would be that's only team he can get a 8 year deal from as Toronto sets that up for Oilers

Leafs get Nurse young blue chip guy they hold many years a first rounder that will be a fairly high selection and Hopkins a nice Center

Thoughts and if need be Leafs could offer a bit more

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17 Apr 2018 06:59:35
Your Edmonton trade could never work. Edmonton would be taking on too much salary. Probably about $6-$9 depending what Nylander and Nurse sign for.

17 Apr 2018 07:05:31
Edmonton has one of the best center trios in the league. But it’s eating up way too much salary to try and carry all those heavy salaries and still provide a support cast. They are running into serious cap issues next year. How they can keep $28.5M in three centres is beyond me though. It would be nice to cherry pick a team like Edmonton, who is constantly making moves and forever changing. RNH would instantly give us one of the best trips at center in the league. But would it leave us overextended after signing Matthews? We could find ourselves very quickly in a position Edmonton and NYI are in right now.

16 Apr 2018 02:21:54
I don't know about the rest of you but I am starting to get tired of Kadri's bonehead play and beard pulling. Yes the Leafs lack centre depth. Yes, he has back to back 30 goal seasons and a sweet contract. That gives him trade value.

Leafs: Kadri, Zaitsev

Oilers: RNG, Khaira, 2018 1st

Would love to do a deal with Peter before the Oilers wise up.

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16 Apr 2018 05:22:17
Kinda leaves the oilers with too many defensemen. That would give them 5 defensemen over $4M each, and they still have to re-sign Nurse. Oilers are tight against the cap, and they would be taking on even more salary here. RNH is a good choice to shore up our center position, but we might have to take a bit more coming back. Probably another defenseman instead of Khaira. I also have a hard time seeing oilers parting with their first. They will be picking early, and are constantly rebuilding and looking to bring in new talent.

I really like the idea of trying to cherry pick a player of a team like the oilers. They are tight against the cap, and may be looking to unload a player or two.

I like Kadri. He’s made a lot of bonehead moves over the years, and this last one was a doozy, but since Babs has come in, his game has improved significantly. You are correct of course in that his value is quite high right now, and if we are looking to get maximum return, now would be the time to trade him.

16 Apr 2018 05:44:30
Spider

Cut some slack to kadri. Boston are trying to murder Marner and his hit on Wiggles just turned out badly as Wiggles fell down.

Kadri is a huge part of a solution to Leafs he is not a problem at all and his contract is more that fair to Leafs.

Marleau kadri Marner is a really nice line.

Zaitsev can go teams would like his contract. He is right shot guy. Leafs would just need to find a guy better defensively on right side b4 they bail on zaitsev.

Reilly Gardiner and Zaitsev are all weak in their own end. Reilly isn't going anywhere so you need to move one of Gardiner or Zaitsev.

There is a ton of work this offseason in Leaf land it will be interesting to watch it unfold.

16 Apr 2018 15:10:05
Spider

2 things for you sir:

1) thank Mr Mackin for his on-point feedback to your thoughtless comment (many days too late)

2) coaching issues: this has been 2 games (and many days of preparation) of poor coaching decisions, lack of motivation and a team that thought they were playing a soft team like Florida or buffalo

I’m truly shocked by babsocks lack of readiness
Turn it around at home with future captain Martin in . Watch the energy change immediately

Kadri is not the problem, he was trying to defend a teammate because there was no one else on the team who could do it

If Martin was in, a few shifts later he would have punched him out or smashed his head . Kadri would still be in.

16 Apr 2018 15:34:39
I agree with Keon’s assessment below. Gardiner has turned into the better defenseman and starting to live up to expectations. Rielly is underperforming and hasn’t improved much at all under Babs. Of the two, I would actually prefer to keep Gardiner at this point.

Reality check. All Leafs defensemen are soft. None of them are able to step up and clear front of net or fight. We are far from being contenders until we get someone on the team with a mean streak in them who isn’t afraid to level a big hit or punch someone in the face. Even at 42, Chara is showing these kids why he is still a top defender, captain of his team, Norris winner, Cup winner, and capable of leading his team deep in playoffs. He will make HHOF for sure. Can’t say the same for any of Leafs defenders. They all resemble the Stay-Puff-Marshmallow-Man. Soft.

16 Apr 2018 16:13:54
Gardiner is living up to expectations? What series have you been watching?!?!

16 Apr 2018 16:21:59
I agree with Blizzardandwine. Babcock has made terrible decisions.
I also blame Babcock and Leafs Mgmt. for Kadris hit on Wiggles. No one else is there to stand up for Marner.
I disagree that Martin is the answer. I posted in January that the Leafs need more muscle and grit. Martin cannot do it alone.

16 Apr 2018 17:13:35
It was a silly penalty. He charged a player, left his feet, jumping into the hit, on a player that had his back turned and up against the boards. It was intent to injure. And since Kadri has a history of offences such as this, he was removed for 3 games, which is more than what Lemieux got for hitting Draper. If Leafs lose in four games, they just lost their second line centerman the entire series. He should have just started punching Wingles. But since Kadri is afraid to fight, he takes cheap shots instead.

17 Apr 2018 03:44:21
Sorry, but hitting a player from behind on his knees, facing the boards and trying to drive his head through the boards is not retaliatory . it is predatory and has no place in the game. It is not how I taught my children to play the game. Man up and go face to face. I agree that is how Martin would have handled it and how Kadri should have.
Agree Davido, the leafs need more toughness throughout the line up but with skilled players.
As far as the trade, I like the size, speed and grit Khaira has shown. RNG slots nicely into the 3C position between Johnsson and Kapanen. Peter has already stated that unless they win the lottery, their 1st is on the table (a top 10 pick gets a shot at Veleno) . Agree LeafsGM, the Oilers have too many 4+M D-men, but they are all on the left side. They need a RHD. They would have to move one of their LHD to clear some cap space in the off season.
Kadri's value is at a high point to bring in more young, high end talent.

 


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