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19 Sep 2018 00:02:50
I do a poor job of explaining this so going to shorten right up. See too many trades that won't work.

$78 being spent in 2019 of $83

Johnnson-Matthews-Nylander: likely $21m
Hyman-tavares-Marner: likely $21m
Grundstrom-Kadri-Kapanen: likely $8m
Fourth line: maximum $3m
Goalies plus Kessel: $7m
That's $60m for forwards and goalies. Therefore $18 left. Sure can stretch to $23 but no wiggle room for injuries or adds

So defence is $18m. Reilly / Dermott on next contract / Liljegren: $9m? Leaves $9m for 4 other players. Without changes, Gardiner and Zaitsev are not staying, particularly if they want a top pairing guy to play with Reilly. And for him, $4-5m is the max. Leaves $4-5m for the other 3. Two on $1m and $2-3 left for a potential veteran to help out

Can we use Gardiner and Zaitsev to get that top pairing rd?

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19 Sep 2018 01:08:23
You would have to find a team that has two legitimate RHD and is willing to downgrade one of them in order to secure Gardiner. There’s not a whole lot of teams that would be willing to do that. Any team I can think of that has strong RHD is strong LHD as well: Carolina, Anaheim, Calgary, for example. None of them would be willing to take Gardiner along with Zaitsev. Would likely be looking for a forward. No one who has only one good top end RHD would be willing to downgrade to Zaitsev as 1RHD in order to secure Gardiner. Especially if they think they can just sign Gardiner outright next summer.

19 Sep 2018 01:17:44
Will answer my own question

Zaitsev needs to rebuild value. Assuming he is not going to be that top pairing guy, he is not affordable lower in line up

Gardiner: well I can't stand this guy but that's me. Tired of the mistakes. Having said that he has value. If they can extend him without no trade clause, I'm guessing 5.5 to 6 m, maybe more. So salary wise, would another team take him on and just switch up a rd for a ld. But pay $2m more. Who is that team.

I say again, I think Kadri is the guy who gets moved and assuming Nylander signs, he moves to 3 c. Who they get for him? Likely a good enough young d to play with Reilly. Said Pesce b4 but anyone else at that salary level?

19 Sep 2018 01:23:46
First line will be $18.5 MM with Johnsson ($1.5MM)
Second Line will be $20.75 MM
Third Line will be $7 MM
Fourth Line will be $5 MM including a scrub
Goal Tender plus Kessel-$7 MM
Total $58.25

Dermott is on old contract .865 and Lilygren .9 with Reilly at $5 MM EQUALS $ 6.75 MM plus Zaitsev $4.5= $11.25. 5 Defenseme and extend Gardiner to $6 MM= $17.25 MM. Two inexpensive Defensemen $1.8 MM= $19.05 mm.
This gives a total $77.30 Room for a $5 MM defenseman pushes Leafs total salary cap $81.50 MM for 2019

Trade Nylander for a Defenseman.

19 Sep 2018 02:09:04
Neither can be used to get a top pairing RHD

Guess Matthews or Marner should hold out next year until Hortons LTIR kicks in at start of year thus allowing leafs extra 5 million to sign whomever chooses to hold out

Then Marleau off books the following year and if cap goes up that's when u get RHD if Liljegren isn't ready.

18 Sep 2018 23:50:08
Leafs accepted a 4th round pick in 2016 for taking on Eric Fehr and his 1.5 years left of a 2M cap hit (approx $3 million)

TOR: Horton UFA 2020 ($8.1 million salary)
2019 4th round pick (lower of ours or STL)


ARZ: Bolland UFA 2019 ($5.5 million salary)

A difference of $2.6 million. Arizona has accepted multiple trades in the past taking on salaries for draft picks. If Chayka loves his picks like Dubas does he would probably jump on this. It defers $1 million in salary payable this year and Horton's contract is insured anyways.

This essentially just speeds up the process and gets Horton off the books a year early. Eliminates the LTIR cap issues we will face when Matthews and Marners new contracts come into play next season.

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19 Sep 2018 02:13:01
Where do u get 8.1 million. 5.3 is hortons salary. that's a 200 thousand difference.

Just ask Matthews or Marner to hold out next season until start of year. Then they can sign a bigger deal after Horton LTIR kicks in. that's cheating the system.

19 Sep 2018 02:32:32
I think we have to do a third round pick just because Bolland expires after this year.

19 Sep 2018 02:33:38

19 Sep 2018 08:54:32
Horton's not on LTIR until the season starts, and if a team is over the cap when the season starts they incurr a cap penalty the next year and lose cap space. Moving horton's last year off the books actually does make sense, and a 4th round pick seems like appropriate payment for Arizona taking on that burden. I'm 100% in favour of this trade.

18 Sep 2018 22:04:07
Leafs: 2nd, Leivo
Flames: Bennet

Use Bennet as 4C or 3LW

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18 Sep 2018 23:05:19
Flames say yeah right! They haven't given up on him yet and they probably shouldn't. He's only 22.

18 Sep 2018 21:25:10
OK, how about this?
Tor: Nylander, Gardiner, Bracco 2019 2nd
Ari: Strome, Crouse
Whomever think is too little swap out a 1st for the 2nd.
Strome loves T.O. and wanted to be here when asked in the draft. Crouse is solid and large.

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18 Sep 2018 23:06:02
Leafs would be stupid to make that trade.

19 Sep 2018 01:01:29
To date Strome and Crouse have both been busts. You want to give Nylander, Leafs 2nd best right winger, Gardner, Leafs 2nd best defenseman, Bracco a B prospect and a 2nd (perhaps 1st round pick) for them?
Because Strome wants to be in Toronto and Crouse is big?
You must be kidding.

19 Sep 2018 01:11:45
Crouse is huge. Not sure how solid he is. Maybe a decent 4th liner for now, but not much higher ceiling than that I would think. Strome isn’t looking much good either. Again, he would only be 4C at best on the Leafs.

No way Leafs make this trade. Unless we are getting a top end, high caliber prospect player back in return, Nylander stays put.

18 Sep 2018 20:45:02
Just like most people (me included) were saying all year, Nylander's contract value should fall somewhere in between Ehler's and Pastrnak. Nylander is not nearly as good as Pastrnak and with the rumors of his comparable to Draisaitl, he his ludicrous.

1st - Nylander is not a Centre, he's a winger. Centre's tend to command more money. That is why Draisaitl got paid.

2nd - Nylander blew the opportunity to rise to the occasion without Matthews and in the playoffs and did not in either scenario

He should be so lucky to get the contract the Leafs will pay, as he gets to play alongside Matthews and/or Tavares now going forward.

If he doesn't want to stay on a team friendly/fair deal, then he'll find himself on another team.

Off season deal (potential)

To WNG: F - W. Nylander

To TOR: D - J. Trouba

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18 Sep 2018 21:08:30
Trouba would conmand like 7.5 mill is the problem though so I don’t think he is the best solution.

18 Sep 2018 22:25:53
At least he helps to solve a big gap for the Leafs, but I get what you're saying. That may not be significantly more than Nylander.

19 Sep 2018 01:13:44
If you think negotiations with Nylander aren’t going well, just imagine what the scenario next year with Trouba will be like. If Jets move Trouba, it will likely be only because they don’t want to have to go through the torturous process or re-signing him.

Leafs pass. Trouba is too injury prone and greedy.

19 Sep 2018 02:21:01
Nylander signs 1yr 13.25 million this year when cap doesn't matter and his cap hit is 13.25

Then signs 8x6.5 in January when eligible to sign extension

That's 9 years 65.25million . without the 7.25 cap hit

6.5 now That's a cap hit the leafs can work with.

19 Sep 2018 02:25:21
You are equating value to a number. Agents are equating value to a percentage of new cap. So Nylander may get more than we expect.

18 Sep 2018 19:00:02
How about this one

Tor: Nylander Gardiner 1st

Col : rantanen 3rd

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18 Sep 2018 21:09:07
I wish, but if we trade Nylander we should trade for a defenceman or at least keep Gardiner.

18 Sep 2018 23:25:18
Well my thinking here was Babs recently said how good Ozhiganov has look so far so if he pans out make Gardiner expandable but at the end of the day like every other trade on this site probably would never happen but one can dream.

19 Sep 2018 01:16:30
Leafs would be foolish not to make that trade.

Gardiner is as good as gone, and if recent history has shown us anything, it’s likely we let him walk at seasons end and don’t trade him. If we could package him with Nylander for a player of Rantanen’s caliber, you better be sure we would jump on that rather than lose Giveaway for nothing.

18 Sep 2018 18:06:47
Tor: Nylander Bracco

Dal: nichushkin

Similar stat wise we throw in Bracco just cause it makes it more appealing to Dallas nichushkin is a big dude and can easily replace Nylander

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18 Sep 2018 18:31:36
Absolutely not.

Nylander is better than Nichushkin. I don’t even think Nichushkin is coming back to play NHL, but I could be wrong. It’s too big a risk to gamble Nylander on. Maybe Kapanen or Brown. Their stats are more in line with Nichushkin.

18 Sep 2018 18:47:22

He had 64 pts last year Nylander had 61 I don’t see how Nylander can be so much better.

18 Sep 2018 18:56:45
Apparently Nichushkin is on a two year deal with Stars. I still say Leafs should pass. Nylander is the better player, and would be around a lot longer. Nichushkin has showed no loyalty to the team that drafted him. He’s likely to bolt to KHL again once his contract is up.

18 Sep 2018 20:50:07
‘Nichuskin got 64 points’

Uh when?

19 Sep 2018 01:03:13

Nichushkin didn’t even play in NHL last two years, and he has never so much as sniffed 64 points, even in KHL. You got him mixed up with someone else.

19 Sep 2018 01:06:12
I'm not sure Nichuskin has gotten 64 points in any 2 seasons he's played combined.
Nichuskin isn't in the same league as Nylander.
Terrible trade for the Leafs.

18 Sep 2018 16:55:44
Leafs F Matthew Tkachuck
F Sam Bennett
F Dillion Dube
D Rasmus Andersson
Flames 1 st rd pick 2019

F William Nylander
G Garret Sparks
F Josh Leivo
D Connor Carrick

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18 Sep 2018 18:18:48
This is so funny, Flames laugh and hang up the phone.

18 Sep 2018 18:22:57
How are you valuing these matchups? I can’t think of any reason why Calgary would make this trade. Can you explain your thinking here?

18 Sep 2018 21:02:40
Take out Dube and maybe the Flames don't hang up on you.

18 Sep 2018 23:09:20
No offense Mrbigboy. But your trades are never close and heavily favor the leafs. I know you think Nylander is wayne gretzky but he's not.

18 Sep 2018 16:54:42
Leafs need do this for cup run

D Jake Dotchin waivers
6 3 215 CDN

Leafs Flames Block Buster

Flames F William Nylander
F Frederik Gauthier
F Connor Carrick
G Garret Sparks

Leafs Flames 1 st rd pick 2019
F Sam Bennett
F Matthew Tkachuk
F Dillon Dube
D Rasmus Andersson

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18 Sep 2018 18:19:50
Can u please stop posting crazy biased trades.

18 Sep 2018 19:38:30
So who knows in the future but Nylander and tkachuk are likely fairly close in value.

So Bennett / dude and Anders son for non nhl players.

19 Sep 2018 00:17:28
Maybe Nylander, Carrick, Sparks and TO's first for Bennett, Tkachuk and Andersson
Then sign Dotchin for blue line depth.

19 Sep 2018 01:15:41
I like the idea of signing Dotchin as he brings toughness and bite to the Leafs, something they are sorely lacking.
He also played 35 games as Victor Hedman's partner and showed well.
As for the trade Trevling wants to keep his job not get fired before the season even starts.
Tkachuk is a Flame for life.
A more likely possibility would be Nylander for Dillon Dube and Rasmus Anderson.
Dube can replace Kadri in a year or two allowing Leafs to trade him for assets.
Anderson is a RHD with promise.
Nylander going to Calgary would give them a top line of Monahan centering Gaudreau and Nylander, arguably as good a potential line as there is in the league.

18 Sep 2018 16:34:38
Pickard for a conditional 6th

Deal Now
To Calgary:
Nylander, 2021 2nd, Rosen (would rather keep Borgman, doesn't mean they have to trade him but leafs depth is so strong that they can afford to and can get something for him)
To Leafs:
Tkachuk, 2021 3rd

Deal at deadline (gives Leivo some value)
3-way trade:
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, 2019 1st, Leivo
To SJ:
Brown, 2020 2nd, Timashov
To Leafs:

Lines after deadline:
Johnsson (after Leivo trade)/Kadri/Kapanen (after Brown trade)
Grundström/Lindholm/Ennis (5 minutes per night so doesn't really matter)
*Jooris, Moore
Mclheiny to minors

Extend and trade Gardiner next year and trade Marleau for cap space

At Draft:
To SJ:
To Leafs:
2020 4th

At Draft:
To LA:
Gardiner (extension)
To Leafs:
Forbort, 2019 1st (will probably be low so they may also have to throw in a prospect)

2019-20 lines
Grundström/FA or Lindholm/Bracco
*Moore, Ennis

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