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19 Jan 2018 15:20:10
TOR: JVR, Leo, Neilsen 8M approx

OTT: Hoffman, Ceci. 8M approx

Ottawa is not going to the playoffs this year and should start a re-tool right away. Well before the deadline, they should know what they want to do.

Toronto gets a decent young RHD and a small, but decent scorer to replace JVR for 3 years. RFA Ceci will want a raise, but that should be reasonable.

Ottawa gets JVR, Leo and a young D prospect back. JVR will boost their offence and Leo is much needed for their 3rd line after losing Turris. They can flip them to another team for picks/prospects, if they choose to retool, and keep Neilsen.

The Senators are a budget team and can't continue to pay elite money to Bobby Ryan for average results. They will probably buy him out. They may also move Karlsson, whom they should get a lot for, because he will be looking for 10M in a year and a half.

I expect the Senators will start a retool. They will have the option to not re-sign JVR and Leo, and that freedom may suit their plans better than sticking with Hoffman who is 28 for 3 years. They still get Neilsen in the package.

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19 Jan 2018 19:09:42
You’re right, Ottawa isn’t making the playoffs. Then why would they want two veterans on expiring contracts when a partial rebuild in on the horizon? JVR will need a raise and given Ottawa’s budget it’s unlikely they resign him. Nielsen is a B prospect with no guarantee to even be an NHL caliber player. This makes no sense for Ottawa to even consider it.

20 Jan 2018 13:36:31
Ottawa can move JVR and Leo for picks.

19 Jan 2018 15:20:10
TOR: JVR, Leo, Neilsen 8M approx

OTT: Hoffman, Ceci. 8M approx

Ottawa is not going to the playoffs this year and should start a re-tool right away. Well before the deadline, they should know what they want to do.

Toronto gets a decent young RHD and a small, but decent scorer to replace JVR for 3 years. RFA Ceci will want a raise, but that should be reasonable.

Ottawa gets JVR, Leo and a young D prospect back. JVR will boost their offence and Leo is much needed for their 3rd line after losing Turris. They can flip them to another team for picks/prospects, if they choose to retool, and keep Neilsen.

The Senators are a budget team and can't continue to pay elite money to Bobby Ryan for average results. They will probably buy him out. They may also move Karlsson, whom they should get a lot for, because he will be looking for 10M in a year and a half.

I expect the Senators will start a retool. They will have the option to not re-sign JVR and Leo, and that freedom may suit their plans better than sticking with Hoffman who is 28 for 3 years. They still get Neilsen in the package.

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19 Jan 2018 14:52:24
so the reported asking price for OEL is 2 high end prospect/roster players, one roster player and a drat pick

with this in mind

to Toronto
Oliver Ekman Larsson

to Arizona
kasperi kapenen
jake gardiner
josh leivo
1st round pick

how fair is this trade for both teams and what would u add/subtract


I know kapenen and leivo would qualify for being high end players but its worth a shot

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19 Jan 2018 15:23:39
Why do you want to trade for the worst Dman in the NHL right now.

-38 as of last night. That's disturbing, even for the Yotes.

He makes Gardiner look like a stalwart dMan.

19 Jan 2018 15:23:39
Why do you want to trade for the worst Dman in the NHL right now.

-38 as of last night. That's disturbing, even for the Yotes.

He makes Gardiner look like a stalwart dMan.

19 Jan 2018 21:50:56
he plays on the coyotes enough said

he would play a lot better on the leafs
I know his stats aren't great but he is a quality top 4 defenseman

way better than jake gardiner.

20 Jan 2018 13:42:51
His stats are about the worst in history for a number 1 Dman on a team.

-38, while everyone else on the team is -24 or above. And he has significant negative numbers every single year for the last 5 years.

These type of Dmen are the worst; overpaid, incompetent defenders, that destroy team's hopes. Karlsson is another one, although his offense can really offset his liabilities.

And no; he would not play any better on the Leafs. You are not going to change a player's habits this late in his career.

19 Jan 2018 14:46:22
TOR: JVR, Ben Smith

WAS: Matt Niskanen, 2nd (FLO)

Caps need another LW after Ovie. The Caps are known to take rentals (Shattenkirk), and they clearly have a need for JVR. We move Ben Smith while he's hot, to get a contract space.

Niskanen is a constantly good defensive RHD with pretty decent offense. He lays out hits(147) and blocks a fair number of shots. He's not a fighter though.

His contract is a little harsh, but if we move Gardiner, much more palatable.

At 30, he shows little sign of decay, and while missing a few games this season; has been an iron man in terms of health

The Caps have Carlson to re-sign and Bowey, as well as Eller, Wilson, and Chiasson; all with a current cap space of less than 1M.

So JVR is a cheap, affordable, quality option for them, and they save 0.7 M this year.

The Leafs get their steady veteran RHD who actually has great balanced numbers offensively and defensively.

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19 Jan 2018 19:17:11
I like this trade. The 2nd would likely have to be conditional on JVR resigning. Niskanen would bring a presence the leafs lack. This would also finally force Babcock to play Polak less, if at all. Let him rotate our 3rd pairing between Borgman, Dermott and Carrick. Carrick likely ends as 7th man.

18 Jan 2018 22:32:13
tor-ari
nylander leivo and a 2nd for oel
10/10

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19 Jan 2018 11:38:34
Leafs need to do something add defencemen. But I really hate how nylander and marner r playing. But it's youth.

19 Jan 2018 12:12:21
I agree. Bothe Nylander and Marner are very young and are going to be very good to excellent players in the NHL. As with many Leaf fans, I would love for them to go deep into this year's playoffs and soon win a cup, but I don't think moving either of them would benefit the Leafs long-term; maybe short term?

I think I would rather see the Leafs give up 1st rd pick, Lievo, and a player form the Marlies, either Bracco or Nielson?

19 Jan 2018 13:40:23
Gcolpitts.

This draft is very deep leafs can find too 4 defencemen or a second line player where they draft even at 22 or so. Leafs could also draft late teens Boston is going to be tough. And don't discount the way bruins are going they catch Tampa

Leafs exit playoffs in first round probably.

19 Jan 2018 18:29:38
David Mack in:
Agree, draft is looking strong and deep. I just think where the Leafs are now vs where they were just this time 2 years ago is night and day. Their farm system is deep and rich with great prospects and the current NHL leaf team is very good and they are young and developing. I hope the leafs don't make any knee jerk decisions that will compromise next year and many years to come.

Go leafs!

18 Jan 2018 16:11:16
Maple Leafs - Coyotes Blockbuster

Maple Leafs acquire Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Christian Dvorak, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Lawson Crouse. In exchange, Arizona acquires Nazem Kadri, James Van Riemsdyk, Jake Gardiner, Josh Leivo, Kasperi Kapenen, Adam Brooks, a 1st Rd pick in 2018 and 2nd Rd picks in 2019 and 2020.

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18 Jan 2018 18:33:33
This needs to stop. The only way the Leafs acquire OEL is with Marner or Nylander going the other way.

Its not about quantity. Its about Quality.

18 Jan 2018 21:08:12
Help me understand your thought process as you are giving up 5 NHL ready players a middle of the road prospect and 3 high draft picks for a defenceman in his 30s (Hjalmarsson), a centre in Dvorak who I personally don't think brings to the table what Kadri brings and who is signed to a long term friendly cap hit and a power forward (Crouse) who is looking more and more like a first round bust.

OEL is a good solid 2 way, fleet footed defenceman (Rielly, looks to be developing into the same type) and who is not even a right shot. Definitely not worth what you just gave up, which was a good chunk of this team.

18 Jan 2018 23:51:40
Thought process is this. Outside of Reilly, the rest of the defence stinks and is in desperate need of some new blood injected on the backend. Crouse is still young and gives the Leafs what they need and that is size and strength on the wing. The Leafs wingers are undersized and get pushed around rather easily. Dvorak and Marner have chemistry from their London Knights days having played with one another, maybe Marner gets going and can score more goals. Unfortunately you have to give up something in order to get something back and that is why Kadri is included in this trade. Leafs get the best player for now and the next couple of years while Arizona gets serviceable assets (picks, prospects and NHL Roster players) back in return. Don't forget, the Leafs probably have Grundstrom making the club next year and let's face it, the Leafs are not going to go far in the playoffs this year, if they even make it with what they have on defence. Maybe there will be an opportunity for a player like Rychel to come up and take a bottom six wing position. As for Lilejgren, who better to have a mentor than a fellow Swede in OEL to groom him as a top 4 D-Man in this league for years to come. Trade makes perfect sense to me. How can one expect to improve by remaining stagnant and not taking chances/ risk? The only idiot GM in the NHL who shouldn't be a GM in the NHL is Chiarelli. That guy has ruined the Edmonton Oilers franchise singlehandedly.

19 Jan 2018 02:19:46
Doesn't matter how many spare parts we send. Add another 10. Doesn't matter. Without Matthews, nylander or marner in that trade, Chayka laughs and hangs up.

OEL IS A number 1 D. How is Chayka going to sell the Arizona fan base on Kadri. The 1st is in the 20's.

You should focus on something else. You're not getting this right.

19 Jan 2018 14:45:09
OEL is currently 1 point ahead of Gardiner in scoring and a whopping -38 in +/ -. That's DEAD LAST in the NHL (277th! WOW! ) . The next closest is at -24, not even close.

AND he's paired with Hjalmarsson, a seasoned vet who's only at -2. That's a stark difference. All of the rest of the Yotes Dmen aren't quite that bad, including Schenn.

As a matter of fact, he hasn't had a positive season since 2012. A very disturbing trend. Now there are a lot of reasons a player can have a bad +/ -, but to be that bad historically, means there is an issue.

Sitting in 29th place in scoring does not make him a No 1 Dman. It makes him average.

Now yes, a lot of that has to do with his team. He has clearly given up and wants out of Arizona. How else do you explain it. But his record, the last 5 years, is not that of a No 1.

Arizona can keep him. He may already be damaged goods.

But worry not. Chiapet will give up Draisaitl and a 1st for him.

We are certainly not giving up that package for him. I would rather get Hjalmarsson and give up much less. We need a quality Dman not a forward who likes to play defence.

Maybe, just maybe, he's still a Yote because GM's aren't that stupid. If you've ever complained about Gardiner; you should be screaming against obtaining OEL.

19 Jan 2018 15:01:31
Outside of Rielly the Leafs' defence stinks? Hainsey was a great signing for them. Zaitsev is also good, but is out with an injury at the moment.

19 Jan 2018 19:28:02
We also have Borgman and Dermott who both look like they will develope into top 4 men. Nielsen and Liljegren in the system. Rasanen also looks promising.

The Leafs defence doesn’t suck as much as everyone makes it out to be. Take last nights game. Huge mistake by Marner, can in no way be blamed on our defence. OT goal was a miscoverage by Nylander. So many of our little defensive miscues are made by our forwards. Reilly is a great dman. Zaitsev or Gardiner would pivot the second pairing on most teams. Our third pairing rotates with some quality players (minis polak) .

18 Jan 2018 12:54:00
Toronto: Kappanen, GardinerLiligeren and 1st 2018

Arizona: OEL

Arizona gets their asking price 2 decent players and 1st. Essentially 3 1st rd picks for OEL.

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18 Jan 2018 14:05:04
A little too much from Leafs. Perhaps 2018 1st and Carrick?

18 Jan 2018 14:52:06
Nylander life is simple go have a few beers

We get John Carlson as free agent he costs no resources and you trade Gardiner summer.

18 Jan 2018 15:08:07
While Vatanen is not OEL, he didn't go for very much.

OEL's value is lower than you would think, because he's on a very bad team.

Gardiner and a 1st would be the limit. Anything more would be an over payment.

19 Jan 2018 05:18:43
OEL won’t happen unless it’s an FA signing.

19 Jan 2018 14:46:08
I looked into OEL's play in detail. I take the above back.

The Leafs shouldn't even bother with the currently worst Dman in the NHL. Pylon is doing way better at 13 pts and only -4. Gardiner is way better at only 1 point behind and only -2.

+/ - isn't a great indicator of a lot of things; but when it's consistently bad, it's a harbinger of failure.

Take a look at his record, then tell me why you want to trade for a Dman that can't play defence. And he's currently paired with a good Dman, Hjalmarsson at -2.

We don't need a worse Jake Gardiner.

18 Jan 2018 03:39:35
Liked Marner11 and Lab16's trades so much I decided to combine them into a blockbuster. Vegas gears up for a cup run and the Leafs continue to add young talent and clear cap and roster space.

Leafs: Gardiner, Carrick, Bozak, Neilson
VGK: Miller, Lindberg, Hague, 2019 2nd(NYI)

Leafs clear 6.3M in cap and 1 contract spot. Reilly get a top 4 partner, Hainsey takes Dermott under his wing and Borgman carries Polak until Zaitsev returns. Lindberg battles Aaltanen for the 3C job, loser goes to 4C. Hague and Liljegren pair to make the top pairing on the Marlies next year, pushing for NHL jobs.

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18 Jan 2018 12:45:44
I love it. Bring in Colin Miller who will need a new contact after this year. We get rid of Gardiner and we get Hague in our system.

18 Jan 2018 12:45:44
I love it. Bring in Colin Miller who will need a new contact after this year. We get rid of Gardiner and we get Hague in our system.

19 Jan 2018 04:11:08
My bad. I stated Hague and Liljegren would form the top pairing on the Marlies. In reality it would give them two top 4 RHD's being groomed to make the Leafs in late 2019 or 2020.

18 Jan 2018 02:45:38
Leafs: Ho Sang
Islanders: Pickard, Polak, Leivo

Leafs get rid of assets they don't have a ton of use for, Islanders get goalie and defense help, and a scoring winger. Maybe Ho Sang gets it together and reaches his potential?

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18 Jan 2018 03:55:37
Too much for Ho Sang. No dice from the Leafs.

18 Jan 2018 10:37:41
Pickard is currently playing well, and may replace Mc.? next year. The Leafs jumped on the chance to get him from Vegas. I doubt they have changed their minds.

So maybe Sparks instead. The Leafs will need Polak until Zaitsev comes back.

17 Jan 2018 20:30:25
2017-18 Trade Deadline

PIT:
Tyler Bozak (C). UFA
Josh Leivo (LW). RFA
Connor Carrick (RD)... RFA
3rd Round Draft Pick. 2018

TOR:
Bryan Rust (RW). RFA
2nd Round Draft Pick. 2018
4th Round Draft Pick. 2018

Penguins get a third line centre and future young winger. Leafs get some added draft picks and Bryan Rust (IR) is for cap reduction and probably won't even play for the rest of the season. Dominic Moore can than be easily slotted into the third centre line role to play with JVR, Brown and/or Marner.

DET:
Kerby Rychel (LW). RFA
2nd Round Draft Pick. 2018 (SJ)
4th Round Draft Pick. 2018

TOR:
Mike Green (RD). UFA

Wings secure draft picks and reduce cap space. Leafs secure an RD to help with the power play and push Roman Polák out of the lineup.

2017-18 Trades * After Season is Over

VGK:
Jake Gardiner (LD). UFA
Nikita Soshnikov (LW). RFA
Matt Martin (LW). UFA
3rd Round Draft Pick. 2018
2nd Round Draft Pick. 2019

TOR:
2nd Round Draft Pick. 2018
1st Round Draft Pick. 2019

Knights get a top-four defenseman with a cap friendly rate as well as a young prospect. Matt Martin is merely a cap dump if the buds can pull it off. Leafs secure draft picks to use and/or parlay into another player trade. Bryan Rust could easily be signed to a $925,000 contract extension to play on the 4th line with Gauthier & Kapanen.

In closing these trade scenarios are more realistic and fair for each team as they do not gouge organizations. And the Leafs free up ample cap space to take a serious run at John Tavares for the 2018-19 season and possibly Drew Doughty for 2019-20 season.

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17 Jan 2018 20:56:05
These trades will most certainly not free up enough space to sign tavares or doughty.

17 Jan 2018 21:31:46
Green gets u much more than rychel a second and a forth. Rychel has zero value put him waivers no one will even claim him. Your trades are nonsense.

17 Jan 2018 22:19:22
Cheeks97. Are you sure about that? Because according to my metrics should all of these hypothetical trades take place with a projected average cap space of $80M to use come the 2018-19 season, the Leafs would have roughly between $13M to $15M in cap space left over. And that's including the signing of JVR to a $6M extension, Nylander to a reasonable $4.75M deal and Tavares to a $10.5M contract. Side Note, Horton's LTIR contract is excluded from these projections. So hey that's always a nice bonus to fall back onto.

I will concede that it would take some superior wiggle room to fit Doughty into the line up come 2019-20 as well. But it can be done.

18 Jan 2018 00:49:02
Bozak is worth a late 1st and prospect. He was 61st amoung forwards and 29th among centers. #2 centers are not that easy to come by. He will net a 5-6 M deal in free agency.

You are just giving him away.

Green can be signed as a free agent. No need to give up anything for him but money.

Gardiner alone is worth the very late 1st and 2nd.

Wholesale is not the way to go.

18 Jan 2018 14:24:12
Okay Shanaplan, but you have to take into consideration of how much we will have to pay M&M as well as other players which will be ready for new contracts in the coming years.

 


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