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21 May 2019 04:53:43
Leafs trade Kadri, Brown
Chicago trades D. Strome, Murphy

Leafs trade Nylander, Zaitsev
Rangers trade R. Strome, DeAngelo

Leafs trade Dermott, Sparks, 1st
Philly trades Ratcliffe, M. Strome

(Marleau) / Matthews/ R. Strome
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ D. Strome/ Kapanen
Moore/ Gauthier/ Bracco
*Ennis
(Ratcliffe/ Brooks/ Marchment)
(M. Strome/ SDR/ Timashov)

Reilly/ DeAngelo
Muzzin/ Murphy
Sandin/ Liljegren
*Holl, (Hainsey)
(Rosen/ Hollowell)
(Borgman/ Duszak)
(Gordeev/ Rasanen)

Andersen
*Hutchinson
(Woll)
(Scott)

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21 May 2019 05:12:10
Great Competition the choice of the Strome family or the Hansen Brothers.
I prefer the Sutters.

21 May 2019 15:51:35
You do realize that the Strome family have been utter disappointments thus far.

21 May 2019 16:09:26
I like the Chicago trade. Strome breaking out proves that some young players need to be traded to find their game. However if your bringing over Strome you need to play him on a line with Marner. I know the leafs promised Tavares he would play with Marner so you could stick him on the LW.

Second two trades I think are overpayments from Toronto's standpoint. I still think they find a way to trade Zaitsev though.

21 May 2019 17:33:08
Both Dylan’s and Ryan were able to turn it around and put up very respectable numbers on their new teams last year. Let’s face it, their old teams were all pretty crap, and playing with better line mates with better coaching staff really helped these guys break out. But yeah, it’s a bit of a gamble.

I actually thought I was overpaying in all three trades here MostLeaf. Lol. By t as for the Philly trade, Ratcliffe is a very highly rated prospect player that Hextall (who I think is a very good GM that got screwed over) paid up for. Looking at his numbers last year, I can understand why. And you got to love his size to boot. A young player that large with speed and skill, he could be the steal here if Philly were to make this deal.

22 May 2019 04:27:10
@heatdreamer

The Tkachuk brothers are doing pretty good.

21 May 2019 04:30:02
Leafs trade Nylander, Zaitsev
Ottawa trades Brannstrom

Leafs trade Kadri
NJ trades Zacha, Vatanen

Leafs sign Erik Karlsson

(Marleau) / Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Zacha/ Bracco
Petan/ Gauthier/ Brown
*Ennis
(Moore/ Brooks/ )
(Timashov/ SDR/ Marchment)

Reilly/ Vatanen
Muzzin/ Karlsson
Dermott/ Liljegren
*Holl
(Brannstrom/ )
(Sandin/ )
(Rosen/ Hollowell)
(Borgman/ Duszak)
(Gordeev/ Rasanen)

Andersen
*Sparks
(Hutchinson)
(Woll)
(Scott)

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21 May 2019 16:16:02
I doubt Ottawa trades Brannstrom after they gave up Stone for him.

As for the second trade don't think Vatanen is the guy the leafs should be targeting. There are much better and cheaper options out there. Zacha however could use a fresh start.

Leafs can't afford Karlsson, I'm sorry.

21 May 2019 17:42:43
I think if we trade off Kadri, Nylander, Zaitsev, we can afford Karlsson, though to be honest, I’m not so sure how much I would want him. He’s starting to look injury prone, and never really did return to form after that first major injury to his foot. Not looking so hot in the playoffs here either.

Brannstrom was the best offer Ottawa received for Stone is why they accepted it. Ottawa lost a lot of offense this year: Stone, Duchene, Hoffman, Dzingle, and even Karlsson. They might be wanting to replace some of that scoring with a proven player like Nylander, rather than wait for Brannstrom to develop, if he ever does even make it to nhl.

Vatanen, like Karlsson, injury didn’t help his play any last year. He’s only got one year left on his contract, so is only a plug for now until we get Liljegren going.

Zacha is the main target here. I really think he would work out much better playing Leafs offensive system. Once Jersey drafts Hughes, and they already have Hirschier, I can see them making Zacha available.

21 May 2019 00:44:28
Marleau + Brown

for

Getzlaf + Ritchie

Nylander + Dermott

for

Bailey + Pulock

Kadri + Kapanen

for

Jenner + Anderson + Nutivaara

Zaitsev + Timashov

for

Glendenning


Johnsson Matthews Bailey $19.3
Hyman Tavares Marner $23.5
Jenner Getzlaf Anderson $13.8
Moore Glendennig Petan $3.2
Total $59.8 MM

Reilly Pulock $7.1 MM
Muzzin Nutivaara $6.7 MM
Rosen Hainsey $2.2 MM
Total $16 MM

Anderson Sparks Kessel $6.9 MM

Total $82.7 MM

Weakness Backup goaltending, but there is room to spend 800K

Ritchie could play or part of trade bait, than you are stuck with Sparks.

Ritchie as a 4th liner, still keeps the team under $83.5 MM

No more Marleau, now there is a 3rd Line Center, with stronger wings and when Ritchie goes crazy in the playoffs, who cares when he is suspended.

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21 May 2019 16:21:40
1. Marleau will not waive his NMC to go to a re-builder.

2. Fair, but next year the leafs are hanging on to Dermott and Nylander. How about Kapanen for Pulock?

3. Leafs can't afford all of Jenner, Anderson, and Nutivaara. We are keeping Kadri anyway unless we are totally screwed by the cap.

21 May 2019 17:55:57
I like all these trade HeatDreamer, though I have a very difficult time seeing Marleau accept a trade to anywhere but a contending team. I figure he probably doesn’t have a whole lot of loyalty to Leafs, since he’s only been on the team two years, so he would accept a trade, but not for a team like Anaheim, that is clearly in a bad situation and trying desperately to turn things around, which also makes me wonder if they would even want Marleau either?

21 May 2019 00:11:14
Saw the earlier flyers trade ...how about

Gudas frost
Kadri timishov holl

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21 May 2019 03:27:16
Your close but I think it will talk bracco or Liljegren to get frost.

21 May 2019 04:25:41
Frost would be the sticking point here. He’s looking fantastic. Flyers are going to start him at 3C next year for sure. A trio of Cotourier, Patrick, Frost and maybe even Farabee (though I expect they put him on wing) is just an outstanding core down the middle. Patrick is off to a slower start than I think Philly was hoping, but he’s been on 3C mainly, and probably being used to leaden some defense before bumping him to 2C, making him a very effective 2-way Center with huge upside offense potential. I expect they will develop Frost in much the same manner.

I don’t know if this is enough for Philly. I mean, Kadri is everything they probably hope Frost and Patrick will develop into. So if Flyers want to skip the development, they might make this trade.

On the other hand, this trade would significantly weaken Leafs at that center position, unless we use Nylander and Frost split duties. So Leafs might not want to make this deal either. Let’s face it, it’s always a very real risk that Frost just doesn’t work out, and Kadri for Gudas just isn’t fair for Leafs. So it’s a high risk/ high reward type of trade, just the type Dubas tends to avoid.

20 May 2019 22:53:14
Here's a few ideas

Tor: kadri brown
Phi: Gudas Hartman

Tor: Nylander Zaitzev 5th
Det: mantha green

Lineup
Hyman Tavares Marner
Mantha Matthews Bracco
Johnsson Marleau kapanen
Hartman gauthier Moore

Reilly Gudas
Muzzin green
Rosen Dermott

I think philly would be a team that would be fairly interested in kadri and I think Gudas would be a good fit Hartman also is a good depth pickup could flip him too for the second trade I've said it before he's a player Toronto needs we have too many small speedy forwards and we need to get some size now mantha does that for us and green would also be a decent pickup can be a hainsey type player for us playin 2nd and 3rd pair minutes all in all I think the leafs get better and save money as well

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21 May 2019 00:08:13
Yup to the flyers deal
Wings trade oh wait it includes zaitsev leaving yup good to go. Lol

Only gives us 1 yr of green and Gudas though but that’s ok

Sandin liljegren can percolate another year in the ahl
I would give Hartman a shot on rw with Matthews and mantha he may find his scoring touch can put up 30 goals
Although bracco setting up Matthews is pretty good as well

The negative in all this
Leafs give up some signed guys
For three guys for one year and a current rfa.

21 May 2019 01:14:27
I get that trading guys with term for guys that may not be long term options doesn’t make a lot of sense but what I’m looking at is all the cap space we will gain we will have no issues this year or next year signing guys it also opens up the possibility of going after a big name d in the free agent market in 2020-21 I think it’s better for us long term.

21 May 2019 01:20:35
The major problem I see with this proposal is that we are trading away both Kadri and Nylander here. Marleau could be a good center for one year, sure, and I love the speed of that third line. But the question is: who plays Center after next year?

21 May 2019 05:00:24
Simple the amount of cap space we will gain we can go sign one plus we got brooks in the minors and others our bottom 6 won’t be as strong but I think setting ourselves up for a long term plan is important cause we will eventually run out of money.

20 May 2019 17:53:57
Had an idea last time but let's make it bigger

Leafs: Andersen, Brown, Timashov
Flyers: Hart, Myers, Frost

I do like Hart a lot, I don't think he's ready for the Elite role yet but will be a future Carey Price. Then if we go get someone that can be a mentor and play 35-40 games that would be good for him. Maybe McElhinney.

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20 May 2019 20:31:30
There’s no way philly would do this Hart and frost will be a big part of there future.

21 May 2019 04:11:49
Just read an interesting article about current trends in goaltending in the nhl. Seems like teams are relying less on a workhorse goalie and going more and more with a tandem 1a and 1b, where goaltending duties is split a lot more evenly. The objective is to prevent goaltender burnout so your 1a goalie is good for an extended playoff run. This year we witnessed teams like Dallas, Carolina, and Islanders all ride a tandem of goalies into the playoffs. Very interesting, and looking at just two examples, I can understand why.

1st example is Leafs very own Frederick Andersen. Since becoming a Leaf, Freddie has started close to 60 games a year. The result: his regular season stats are a lot worse than when he was in Anaheim splitting net duties. And his performance in the playoffs is lacking.

2nd example: Tuukka Rask. Since splitting the net duties, Rask has put up better regular season stats. But the kicker is his performance in the playoffs. Bruins are riding a hot Rask all the way to the finals. His numbers are ridiculously good, and if Boston wins the cup, Rask is looking hands down like the Conn Smythe winner.

I didn’t realize Hart started 31 games last year. That’s a pretty good number for a rookie goalie. His stats weren’t great, but neither was his team in front of him. Hart would make a perfect complement to Andersen to share net duties. Would be nice to have a pair of goalies equally capable of carrying a full workload. Take a lot of pressure off Andersen and give us someone we can rely on in case of injury. We all know Sparks isn’t the guy. In a couple years, Hart is up to speed, and we can let Andersen walk and use that money towards Hart. Hopefully by that point, either Woll or Scott is ready, and we start the process again.

Hart is considered one of the best goalie prospects in the world, if not the best. If we could make a deal with Philly for him, Leafs would be in a much better situation both short term and long term. Unfortunately, it is well known that Hart is Philly’s only half decent goalie. For a team that had eight goalies start in net last year, it would be understandable if they didn’t want to trade Hart. And if they did choose to trade him, the price would have to be so unfair that Toronto would never be able to accept.

I love the idea of pursuing a young stellar goaltender like Hart, but I don’t think it will be Hart himself we could get.

21 May 2019 15:56:52
There is absolutely no way the Leafs part with Andersen at this stage. They want to win a cup and going younger at goalie does not help this.

Also, the Leafs have 2 stud prospect goalies of their own in Woll and Scott.

20 May 2019 13:58:18
As a follow up to the trade for Trouba, the Leafs need to trade away Horton's final year. His cap is $5.3M, but cash paid is $3.6M

The buyout cap hit would be $2.9M and $1.2M for this year and next respectively. That is an option, it would save $2.4M. However a trade is a better option. A re-post of a trade with Ottawa

To OTT: F - N. Horton + F - D. Timashov

To TOR: G - M. Condon

The Cash paid is similar for both, but Horton would count a higher cap hit to help Ottawa to the floor

The Leafs would then buyout Condon and the cap hits would be

2019/20 $400K
2020/21 $1M

This deal would save the Leafs $4.9M on the cap for 2019/20

Ottawa get a good quality prospect for having to payout an extra $400K in cash. If they want a mid round pick the Leafs could add that as well

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20 May 2019 16:46:02
How would Horton help Ottawa reach cap floor when he is on permanent LTIR and doesn’t count against the cap? And even if he did count against the cap, why wouldn’t Ottawa just sign a free agent instead of trading a useful player and spending money on a player that will never play again?

If I was GM of Ottawa, it makes way more sense to pay a guy like Eberle $7M, or even more, than to pay Horton anything. At least Eberle will play, and they don’t lose Condom in the process. And they can afford to overpay Eberle a little too, since it helps them reach cap floor.

20 May 2019 20:57:24
Condon is not a useful player. He is also a buyout candidate.

It's a swap of contracts and they get other assets.

21 May 2019 01:16:30
So now you want to pay Horton to not play, and pay Condon to not play? I don’t think I understand this trade.

21 May 2019 15:58:51
No, it's trading away Horton for Condon as the buyout on Condon is more favourable. I'm not 100% sure that Horton does not count against the cap, it's included in the cap number on Capfriendly.

Buying out Condon would only cost $400K against the cap in 2019/ 20 (based on capfriendly)

20 May 2019 13:44:31
Kadri is underutilized on the Leafs and Trouba does not want to stay long term in Winnipeg (or so is speculated).

The Jets much like the Leafs are up against the cap, although if they move Trouba they will be better off. The Leafs are tight as well, and will need to make another move to make this fit.

To WNG: C - N. Kadri + D - T. Dermott + 2019 3rd round pick

To TOR: D - J. Trouba + C - A. Lowry

Deal is contingent on the Leafs signing Trouba first. Leafs sign Trouba to a 7 year $49M deal ($7M AAV)

Leafs add about $4.5M in cap on this deal

Lowry replaces Kadri on the 3rd line

Leafs D

Rielly Trouba
Muzzin Zaitsev
Rosen Holl/Liljegren

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20 May 2019 15:10:13
No interest in Kadri as the main piece for Trouba and zero chance the Jets would be adding in Lowry as well.

20 May 2019 16:51:46
Kadri for Lowry + is a trade that I can see. Dermott for Trouba is a huge no. When you look at it this way, you can easily see why Memarcusjoe is right, and Winnipeg says no.

It’s possible a Kadri for Trouba trade could work, but Leafs would have to add. Joe says no interest in Kadri as the main piece going back, but Winnipeg would probably like to have a guy like Kadri running the second line. He’s cheap, can score 30 goals, and plays with a bit of an edge. He’s a more than adequate second line center on any team in the league and is better than anyone they have now, or have had at all in a while. We would have to add though for sure.

20 May 2019 17:26:04
Sorry LeafsGM, myself and most Jet fans know that Kadri is not a 2C. We don't care that he scored 30 goals two years ago. Last year Kadri regressed pretty badly and wouldn't fit as our 2C, he's simply not good enough. Plus he is a tremendous negative in the playoffs. There is no chance Kadri would be part of a Trouba or Lowry deal.

20 May 2019 17:48:53
Actuqlly I think a kadri for trouba deal can work. Winnipeg has been looking for that second line center for a couple years now. Both are first round picks and provide a different aspect that each team needs.

Winnipeg could then use they fee million in savings to keep Myers and resign their essential ufa/ rfas. The teams aren't trading into their conference so the real threat comes would only happen in the scf.

The leafs would add an above average prospect. Borgmann or someone out of the top 7 of their prospects. But ultimately I can see it working out for both teams.

20 May 2019 18:49:14
I certainly understand Leaf fans wanting to jettison Kadri. However, there is zero chance he'll end up in Winnipeg.

20 May 2019 20:11:45
He didn’t regress. Lol. He was put back on the third line, where he was used in a shut down role again, like he was for most of his career. Injury didn’t help. He was on pace for 50 points and almost 20 goals again, which is in line with most teams 2C, and is good value for the $4.5M salary cap hit he earns. A bit of a long shot at actually winning the Selke trophy, he has been in consideration though, and he is a very effective two-way Center and a strong addition to the pk.

There is no denying he is a liability in the playoffs though.

Say what you will Joe, I’ve read plenty of comments from Winnipeg fans saying how much they would like Kadri on the team. Lol. I know you love Jets as much as I love Leafs, but neither one of us speaks for the entire city.

20 May 2019 20:57:37
Really LeafsGM? I read a lot of Jets stuff and listen to Winnipeg radio all day and have never heard one person express interest in Kadri.

20 May 2019 21:44:49
This trade is a definite no go for the Jets and wishful thinking that the Jets make this lopsided trade.

19 May 2019 22:58:16
Leafs: Zaitsev, Brown, Timashov
Devil's: 3rd

Leafs: Liljegren, 2nd 2020
Lightning: Foote

Resign Hainsey 1 year 1 mil

Kadri-Matthews-Bracco
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Nylander-Kapanen
Moore-Marleau-Korshkov

Rielly-Foote
Muzzin-Dermott
Sandin-Hainsey

Free up 7.5 million to get a solid championship team right here. This offense would be a true juggernaut. I don't make my lineups by overall rn I go by how the players would play together.

Or another thing if the Leafs really want to to save $ along with the other trades.

Leafs: Andersen
Flyers: Hart, Myers, 2nd

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20 May 2019 02:13:05
Love the first trade if you could only convince NJ, or anyone else, to take that deal. In other words, someone please take Zaitsev, please.

Love the second deal even more. I don’t care we are trading with Tampa, Foote looks like he’s going to be every bit as good as his old man. He’s bigger and less injury prone than Liljegren. Too bad he’s Tampa’s only real good RHD prospect and they look set to lose a few older defensemen. They probably need him even more than we do.

I’m all for re-signing Hainsey on 1 year deals. He’s obviously still got game, and we obviously still need him.

The last deal is a real stab in the dark. Hart is one of the highest rated goalie prospects in the world. He’s started a few games for Philly and looked good. It’s risku though. I doubt Dubas would take a chance on a move like that unless the goalie is more proven. Hart just doesn’t have the experience. If we could get Hart without losing Andersen and run the two of them together for a year or two, that would be the smart thing to do. Hart is cheap until Andersen is done anyway, so we can afford both.

As always BW, love these trades. Looks good. I fully agree that is a championship team you got there. Korshkov on the team is a bit of a curveball. Lol. He might make it next year. We could use a guy his size.

20 May 2019 15:56:21
Both deals are good. I remember watching that draft thinking Foote was going to fall to the Leafs. Liljegren was a great consolation though.

20 May 2019 16:46:36
What about adding frost to the andersen deal? I'm all for selling Andersen but I want a big return for him.

19 May 2019 22:10:19
Nylander + Rosen

for

Pulock + Bailey

Kapanen + Woll

for

Pesce + Gaulthier

Zaitsev + Timashov

for

Jordan Gross

Johnsson Matthews Bailey 19.5
Hyman Tavares Marner 23
Marleau Kadri Bracco 11.55
Moore Petan Mylenchuk 2.2
Total $56.25

Reilly Pesce 9.025
Muzzin Pulock 6
Dermott Hainsey 2.85
Total 17.875

Anderson + Sparks + Kessel $6.95

Total $81 MM

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20 May 2019 02:26:47
Bailey is like a fine wine - he keeps getting better with age. Lol. He’s signed for five more years at a reasonable cap hit for his production. Good set up man. Good choice to replace Nylander in this proposal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a trade for Bailey before on this site, so you get bonus points for originality. Lol.

Jordan Gross is an interesting choice. Undrafted, his numbers in NCAA are good, and even his AHL numbers are pretty good. He’s a little smallish for my liking. I don’t know if Leafs would trade for him, even dumping Zaitsev. They had all the chances in the world to sign him themselves and didn’t. He would be so far down Leafs depth chart it might not be worth the bother. Would probably be more apt to just dump Zaitsev for a pick. Then they can draft a bigger player.

I like it Heatdreamer. I think you did a good job here. Team looks good and you came under budget. I love the way you include the salary with your posts. I might start copying that idea myself. Lol.

20 May 2019 16:48:24
I like to eyeball them now and give a roundabout number.

21 May 2019 01:23:54
Yeah Randy. Usually I just keep a running total in my head what I’m trading out and what I’m bringing in. As long as the numbers match or we bring in lower, I know we are good. Most my proposals i'm trying to cut costs anyway. I’m heimy like that. Lol.

 


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