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21 Apr 2024 01:59:13
Leafs trade Jarnknok

Chicage 3 rd rounder 2024

Boston 4 leafs 0 after 40 min

This series jis the final audition of Bertuzzi and Domi. If leafs lose this series one of the main reason will be Bertuzzi and Domi didn't bring enough offence.


But folks if Leafs do get bounced get excited for July 1. Because Treliving will have prospects coming and the money to add key pieces leafs are short.

On paper the leafs will be more than 20 points stronger after July 1 signings

David 1 Mackin

1.) 21 Apr 2024 05:06:17
I liked Bert and Domi, and thought Jarnkrok was ok. What's the issue with them?


2.) 21 Apr 2024 08:26:09
Leafslife

I’m shocked you ask what the issue with these three players are and the same holds true for Kampf

It’s funny Kampf actually scored tonight but it doesn’t change who he is a forth line player earning over 2 million. Holmberg replaces him next year a better player who earns a lot less.

Jarnknok if I remember and I can’t look it up right now jarnknok earns $2.4 million. He is great on special teams. But he just doesn’t drive enough offence to play on Leafs top 9. I would sooner have Robertson in the lineup who is a explosive player where Jarnknok isn’t

If Leafs lose this series one of the main reasons will be the top line didn’t score enough goals. Matthews had 6 chances tonight and hasn’t scored in three games so look out game two.

Leafs pay Bertuzzi and Domi 8.5 million combined so the question becomes will those two take less to stay or do leafs let them go add more money to those two players spots and get more explosive players to replace Domi and Bertuzzi

If leafs don’t win this playoff series plus the next one then Bertuzzi and Domi have zero chance of returning

The Leafs will be forced to add more skill and replace those two. There are only 12 forward spots and Toronto have a lot of guys here and on way next season.

McMann
Robertson
Holmberg

Those 3 above get bigger roles next season. The only place Domi and Bertuzzi fit right now is top line

Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson UFA Marner
Reaves. Holmberg —————

So next year you could replace Bertuzzi Domi More skill.


3.) 21 Apr 2024 16:40:36
mackin, leafs dont have the salary cap to get more skill. if anything id try and trade marner, we could use that 11m to bring in 2 good defensemen and a solid 2/ 3C. bjugstad is only making a touch over 2m, hes 6'6" 49.7% on faceoffs, playing up the line up on a weak team that's moving, hes signed with arizona twice, and im not sure he wants to go play in utah. he could be 3c with marner on the right and mcmann on the left.


 

 

10 Apr 2024 16:31:16
Leafs trade Jarnknok Kampf

Arizona 2 Rd rounder 2024


Goat2.0

I don't know why everyone including you self thinks Robertson. Should be traded and has no value.

So far Leafs have not extended Domi and Bertuzzi. I'm not sure they are returning Bertuzzi has had a great last 30 games but what will teams pay him on a longer deal on the open market.

Domi seems fair value around $3 million.

It's clear next season these players are getting bigger role with leafs

Knies
Mcmann
Robertson
Holmberg
Quillan

Plus they will enter free agency and get more skill than Domi and Bertuzzi. Again not sure the future of Bertuzzi Domi Jarnknok and Kampf


Once Robertson is settled on a line he can score 30 to 40 goals if he has Marner as a line mate. His salary next season will be 2 Million on a multi year deal.

Why would Leaf's want to trade that kind of scorer who makes 2 million dollars.

Robertson isn't going anywhere

David 1 Mackin

1.) 10 Apr 2024 18:38:52
I think Robertson to a rebuilding team might be attractive I honestly think it’s best for both parties if they split ways… to me he’s just too one dimensional if he didn’t have a shot he would be an ahl player and the fact is guys like holmberg knies mcmann can do other things other than score I mean Robertson you claim to be a 30-40 goal guy so if that’s the case so can mcmann and knies so why do we need 3 of them when we have weaknesses elsewhere.


2.) 10 Apr 2024 22:12:27
Nah, Robertson is bad, he needs a new team and leafs need a new coach.


3.) 11 Apr 2024 03:05:44
Surprised you mention Quillan without mentioning Minten who actually made the team out of training camp last summer?
I would imagine Quillan is headed for the Marlies.

If the Leafs are going to run Nylander on the 3rd line next season they need a suitable center for him if they are going to pay him $11.5 million.
Minten and Quillan do not cut it as 3rd line centers, at least not yet.
Henrique or Monahan would be suitable centers for Nylander and Knies!

If Leafs sign both Bertuzzi and Domi it is difficult to see where Robertson will fit on the roster.
Perhaps a trade of Robertson+ a prospect to San Jose for Ferraro to upgrade our defense would be a better idea.


4.) 11 Apr 2024 09:50:27
Robertson won't be on the playoff roster, why will he be given a bigger role then next season? Simply because of his lower salary. If he can be flipped for defensive help, I think it makes alot of sense. Especially with the way McMann has been playing.


 

 

07 Apr 2024 03:36:46
Leafs trade Robertson

Calgary trade pospisil

I want to get ur reaction this one this is prototype of Player leafs need. He plays so hard and so big and he can score goals

I have such a man love for Robertson I probably wouldn't do it but I love this kid in Calgary

David 1 Mackin

1.) 07 Apr 2024 13:58:08
I don’t care for how Popisil checks from behind, perhaps with intent to injure, and then turtles when challenged.

He needs to respect player safety; he will be avenged at some time.

So I’m ambivalent on him right now.


2.) 07 Apr 2024 17:30:03
He’s a goofball
No thanks.


3.) 07 Apr 2024 17:41:01
He played last night so he wasn’t suspended for that play Friday night … last night 13.5 min of ice time 4 shots on goal 2 hits zero pen min . He is paying on Flames top line with Kadri. and Kuzmenko .

My no trade list would be the top 5 plus

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavaras
Reilly
Liljegren
McCabe
Benoit
McMann
Robertson
Cowan
Woll
Holmberg.

A lot of these players are decent players but there contracts are so team friendly. I don’t want to trade Holmberg as he adds something good and only costs 800k next season and McCabe just costs a million .


4.) 08 Apr 2024 03:56:20
@DM you know, I don't care about someone tsking a run at a guy. Even if it is a dirty play, but you can't turtle and refuse to fight afterwards.

Have no interest in the guy.


5.) 08 Apr 2024 13:34:32
I like the skill of the player but he reminds me of cousins light.


6.) 08 Apr 2024 13:37:46
Pospisil, for all the reasons mentioned are ones that Toronto should stay away from him, but Calgary also already extended him for 2 years, so not sure they would do the trade anyway. He has been getting more minutes since being put on the 2nd line, but he also takes a lot of minor penalties and hasn't really put up a lot of points. He does have a huge history of hits from behind as mentioned, even in the minors. I think the Leafs should search another target.


 

 

03 Apr 2024 06:03:35
Leafs trade Abruzzese Tverberg Voit
Arizona trade Durzi

Just turning players that will never play for Leafs into a player

Targets free agency

Marchassult

He is getting up in years but leafs could offer term 4 years 5.5 million this takes him to 37 but Leafs could LTIR if he breaks down at end of contract

Steve Stankos 5 years $5 million Maybe he finally wants to come home 3 rd line center next year. If he needs LTIR late it's a tool for the Leafs


Matt Duchene. Same offer 4 years $5.5 million

Tyler Bertuzzi 5 years $3.5 years
Leafs are taking chance here as Bertuzzi can struggle but he is almost at 20 goals and could be force in playoffs

Max Domi 4 years $2.5 million I'm sure he likes it here and he has been effective mostly. Just Leafs are taking risk here so over 4 years he mush take a $500k haircut over 4 years

What forwards you guys want

David 1 Mackin

1.) 03 Apr 2024 10:07:40
Did the cap shoot up to 100 million?


2.) 03 Apr 2024 13:00:52
So, Arizona gives you their #1 RD at the moment for players you think will never make the Leafs. Why?

If you could sign those 5 players and add them to Matthews, Marner, Nylander and JT, that's your top 9. Where does Robertson play so he can get his 30-35 goals?


3.) 03 Apr 2024 16:25:35
I never said I’m signing all players I’m saying which one do you want from that list.


4.) 03 Apr 2024 16:28:26
RLF

IN ORDER TO APPEAR HERE YOU MUST PROPOSE TRADE


so I need to come up with something

I’m asking who are ur free agent targets on that list

Of course they can’t have all nor do they want all.


5.) 03 Apr 2024 16:31:08
Bert isn't taking 5 years at 3.5.


6.) 03 Apr 2024 17:16:22
Mackin. I understand you have to propose a trade to be seen on this side. And when anyone proposes a trade, posters Comment on said proposal. Not sure why you are putting all that in caps towards me. I understand the process, if you did, you would expect people to comment on your prop as that is what this side is for by your own admission.

As far as the free agents go. You wrote "targets for free agency" then said who you want at what price and ended with "what forwards do you guys want". In what way are we supposed to figure out you don't want all of them? So which do you want then?


7.) 03 Apr 2024 20:37:18
LOL
Bicker, bicker, bicker!


8.) 03 Apr 2024 21:55:31
I don’t think you HAVE to do anything here. It’s entertaining though. I don’t think you get Bertuzzi for 3.5 either. Maybe 17 million over four years . Twenty goal scorers who play together tough and can fight if needed …. Not for 3.5.


9.) 04 Apr 2024 06:52:10
RLF

It would be inpossable to get them all signed. But you assume I’m a idiot so you wanted to inform me

How do we sign all these guys

Leafs are probably walking away from these 4

Jarnknok
Kampf
Bertuzzi
Domi



I don’t know what Bertuzzi gets on open market but even on a 1 year deal he won’t get $5.5 which I think leafs pay him

So leafs offer 5 years $3.5 it’s fair both sides.


10.) 04 Apr 2024 12:22:48
weathermac.

I do not assume you are stupid.

You made a post. I commented on what you wrote. I asked fair and reasonable questions. Nothing more.

Even in your recent post to me, you say I should have known it was impossible to sign all those guys and then say this is how the Leafs could sign all those guys, which includes walking away from 2 of the guys you want re-signed. You don't see how confusing that is?


11.) 05 Apr 2024 01:01:29
We don't need to assume Westhermackin.


 

 

02 Apr 2024 05:55:17
Leafs trade Marner

Islanders Dobson 1st 2024 1st 2024

Leafs signed another beauty Jacob Quillan is 8 months older than Knies and very similar numbers to Knies in college

It's getting really crowded up front folks

Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Knies Holmberg Robertson ( Marner )
Reaves Kampf Jarnknok
Quillan Cowan Minter


I think 3 things are clear Bertuzzi is not coming back. Decision on Domi hasn't been made yet
And Kampf and Jarnknok are being traded b4 draft

About Quillan he is a Kampf type of player with much more scoring ability

He is center who plays hard in all three zones really good on penelty kill

We should see him the final few games of this year .

I love Leafs going forward

David 1 Mackin

1.) 02 Apr 2024 06:02:13
In what world is a 1D, on a solid contract, being traded for Marner with 2 1sts at that?

I don't understand your evaluation of Marner. Have you confused Marner with Mcdavid? They both start with "M" I guess.


2.) 02 Apr 2024 12:37:16
Leafslife I read yours before his, I assumed it was 2 firsts from the leafs lol.


3.) 02 Apr 2024 15:11:37
I see trees of green
Red roses too
I see them bloom
and I think to myself
What a wonderful world.


4.) 03 Apr 2024 02:24:08
Not sure if I am reading this proposal correctly.
You want Lou to send Dobson plus two 1st round picks to the Leafs for Marner?
I would highly doubt that.
Yes, Marner is one of the top wingers in the league!
But Dobson is one of the top young defensemen in the league, a first pairing, #2, RHD.
Off the top of my head I can only think of Makar, Hughes, Fox and Heiskanen who would rank ahead of him among young defensemen.
On top of that he is right handed.
A straight up trade of Marner or Nylander (Islanders choice) for Dobson might peak Lou’s interest!


 

 

 

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16 Apr 2024 08:01:00
Leafs trade Jarnknok Kampf

Utah trade 3 rd rounder 2024

RLF

We need new thread here seems Sears thinks you're sleeping at the switch like I do.

Let's look at Robertson minutes last game you actually think he has been given fair opportunity?

Nick Robertson had 10:52 of ice time Saturday night and that's all he has ever got all season

We are not counting Bobby McMann last game because he was hurt after 4 min of Ice time

The only player to have less ice time than Robertson was Reaves @ 8:17. Holmberg ended the night @ 11:11 Knies 13:21 Kampf had 12:04. This isn't fair opportunity kLF.

But it's ok Robertson is growing his stripes but I assure you next season his role will expand he will have a big playmaker on his line I suggest Marner and Robertson stats are going up.

Just stop thinking leafs prospects are useless and others teams prospects are better.

Leafslife actually would trade Robertson plus a pick for McBain. You guys both think they got more than we do and it's not the case

The leafs winning curve hasn't even started yet they have made mistakes like letting Hyman walk. Four players graduated to leafs this season

Robertson
McMann
Holmberg
Woll

This is next wave that's is coming

Cowan
Minten
Niemela
Quillan
Hildeby

All won't come through next season but I'm sure three on this list make it

RLF Start loving your prospects the Leafs haven't had this ever 1970s through 2022 the leafs had no prospects like this list

David 1 Mackin

1.) 16 Apr 2024 13:35:17
Mackin,

Ok, so explain exactly what would be fair opportunity for Robertson then. If you don't think him getting predominantly offensive minutes, even if they are limited to offensive minutes, then what does a true fair opportunity look like and why does he deserve it over whoever's minutes he takes and whoever's possible position he takes in the lineup?

I do value our prospects, but sometimes when you have too many of one certain type of player, you use those assets to get what you lack.


2.) 16 Apr 2024 16:52:36
15 plus min a game would be nice Robertson has never had it.


3.) 16 Apr 2024 17:33:12
You didn't really answer my question though.
How does he get 15+ mins a night? Who's ice-time does he take? Marner? Nylander? Bertuzzi? Domi? Knies? McMann? Who?


4.) 16 Apr 2024 21:33:45
@RLF Mathews. Nicky Bobby can do better.


5.) 17 Apr 2024 13:45:32
LL. So Nicky Bobby can play centre too? Not sure why I doubted that.


6.) 17 Apr 2024 13:57:55
Let's look at Robertson's last 5 games. Not that a small sample tells the whole story. 2 were against NJ and one against Detroit. He scored 2X a +1 and played around 11 mins in each game. The other two games were against Tampa and Florida. 0 points and a -1 even though he played almost 13 mins in one and 13:38 in the other. I know some don't think it matters that he doesn't produce much against good teams, but it matters.


7.) 18 Apr 2024 14:58:10
RLF

So as you said, let’s look at the last 5 games.

I went to hockey-reference. com and read that NR had as you correctly stated 2G 1A in those games.

What it also stated was that NR was a +2 in those games.

+1 against Tampa and Fla in 12:54 TOI (12:52 and 12:56) with 1A
+1 against NJ (2gp) and Det in 10:56 TOI with 2G

So maybe you can share your site because there obviously is a discrepancy.

And of course then there is the notion that NJ and Detroit are not good teams versus “good but not playoff teams this year”.

I will thank you in advance for your help in better understanding this matter.


8.) 18 Apr 2024 17:12:27
Rsears.

I used Hockey Reference.

As I said, in the 3 games that included NJx2 and Detroit. He scored 2X and was a +1. In the other two games against Tampa and Fla, he did not score and was a -1. Dates April 3-16.

It seems you are including last nights game instead of the April 3rd game. I wrote my post before last nights game, which you can see by looking at the date and time it was posted and considering the posted time can sometimes be hours after sent in.

If you want to now update to include last nights game, that's fine. In those 3 games. 0 goals, 1 assist and a -1 against Tampa 2X and Fla once. With ice time of 13:38, 12:56 and 12:52 respectively. Either or, he still didn't score against the tougher teams and did against weaker competition as I stated.

If you want to classify Detroit and NJ as being good teams that's your evaluation. I guess we have a difference of opinion on what a good team is as well. To me, a good team is a team that can be in the top half of the League at least and make the playoffs. I wouldn't call the Leafs a great team just because they finished 10th overall. I would say they are a good to very good team.

NJ was 4th last in the Conference and only 10 teams League wide had worst records (22nd League wide) . There were only 5 teams that allowed more goals than NJ. Personally, I wouldn't classify NJ as a good team this year. I think they had a very disappointing season and didn't play well.
Detroit finished 18th in the League. Not bad, but not good. imo Detroit I would say is getting better, but still not a team that has been able to make the playoffs yet and when I look at their lineup, they need to make some significant adds still to become a good team.


9.) 18 Apr 2024 18:13:59
So thank you for clarifying that it was a different 5-game window. By coincidence your earlier analysis covered the same 5 teams.

So it is realistic to conclude, as you stated that it is a small sample size, that a different window could yield a different conclusion.

Yet you make your point that it matters who the opposition is.

While I dont necessarily disagree with statement, how does one conclude with certainty that because NR didn’t against Tampa in your 5-game window he is not being effective?

He had scored 2A assists in 3 games against Tampas this year and 1G and 1A in 2 GP against Florida.

The Tampa game in your window had the Leafs score one goal only so it’s safe to say that at least 15 Leaf ALSO didn’t register a point.

All this to say I believe you’re being overly harsh toward NR.

I’m neither a critic or a proponent, perhaps more for than against. I’d consider a trade but the determinant is at what return, as it always is.

I don’t like his giveaways and that he can be easily pushed off the puck but he’s only 22 with (I don’t know for sure) maybe 70GP so I’m willing to delay a final judgement on him.

So yes we disagree…and the world still turns!


10.) 18 Apr 2024 18:58:47
I said "I know some don't think it matters that he doesn't produce much against good teams, but it matters. " I didn't say that conclusion was based on that 5 or now 6 game window.

As you know, I already showed the season goal scoring for him and which teams he feasted on and who he had no goals against. Let's also consider that his shooting% this season of 14.6% and is double compared to the 25 games he previously played over the past two seasons. So, it's not like not scoring against the better teams is because he has an unusually low sh% this season. His ice time wasn't cut against the better teams either. He has a low sh% against playoff teams and a high sh% against non-playoff teams though.

Yes, the Tampa game Leafs scored one goal and no one else but Matthews scored. I don't get your point. I could easily say that in consecutive games late March against Washington and Edmonton the Leafs scored a total of 13 goals and Robertson didn't have a point. Played Washington again 5 days later scoring 5 goals and Robertson didn't have a point. I don't see how either scenario proves anything about Robertson, other than what I said about not scoring much against playoff bound/ better teams.

I have also never said I don't like Robertson or that he sucks. Just because I think it's best he is traded for help elsewhere or draft capital/ prospect doesn't mean I hate him as a player or think he sucks. I have never said to trade him for the sake of it either. As you said, he has bad giveaways and easily knocked off the puck as well. The debate I was having with Mackin was that Mackin said you cannot trade Robertson and it is foolish to do so. My stance is / was that Robertson has done nothing to show he is untouchable as I already explained. If he was producing against the tougher teams, I would have given him credit for that and said he steps up in tougher games because it would be a fact. But that isn't the case. If you think saying what I have said is being overly harsh on Robertson, ok.


11.) 18 Apr 2024 19:51:01
RLF
I know we debate many points. We see many things differently.

I have never stated that you think NR “sucks” or is “untouchable”; those are your words so why get yourself in a frenzy by inventing things.

It is clear however that NR is not your favourite; it’s obvious by your responses.

I also don’t think Robertson should be traded as yet but I would certainly listen. He has a good skill set and can correct his defensive lapses. Unlike offence, defence can be taught.

As far as a trade goes, I would not favour draft capital. IMO NR is an NHLer while a future draft pick might not be.

RLF, as you hopefully understand, anyone can find small bits of data to support an argument. That doesn’t make it true. Unfortunately we will have to wait for LeafLand to know what they have in NR.

So we disagree which is normally healthy.

Can’t we just leave it there or do you feel the need yet again to have the final word.

I leave that to you.


 

 

14 Apr 2024 06:55:12
Leafs trade Timmins

Utah trade 5 th rounder 2024

Just trying out the Utah Coyotes name here a nothing trade

But let's talk to Leafslife

Leafslife

You still want to trade Robertson + a late first round pick for Jack McBain

Have you lost it my old friend have you had one conversation too many with RLF

Robertson is twice the player mcBain is and 20 months younger.

Robertson would have 2 extra goals if not for a toe offside in both cases

Stats both players

McBain 65 games 8 goals and 16 pts = 24 pts
Robertson 54 games 14 goals 12 assist 26 pt

The money between these two is a wash McBain is in year 1 of 2 year deal $1.5 million.where as Robertson in off season will sign 2 year 2 million deal per

B4 Robertson finishes his next contract he will be a 35 goal scorer

Will McBain ever get 15 goals I doubt it and if you want chippy play bring Bertuzzi and Domi back for less money than they currently make.

If they can play Matthews line they will be happy to make a bit less. It's working out rather well In Edmonton with Hyman hanging out with Mcdavid.

Back to Robertson don't be fooled by RFL who is out to lunch on Robertson. It's not just a shot that Robertson has it's his moves on goalies that never gets praised.

This trade you suggest

Robertson and late 1st
For McBain

Is far worse than if you drafted

Dylan Strome instead of Marner in 2015 entry draft

Tell me last time Leafs had 4 all star forwards plus so many young stars coming in.

All the young guns will be around $1 million with Robertson making $2 million next year

Robertson
Knies
McMann. No star but solid 25 goal guy
Holmberg no star but way better than Kampf
Cowan could be next major star Toronto
Minten starting to score CHL playoffs
Quillan he was as good as Knies in college we see ?

When have leafs ever had a group coming like this Leafslife ? We don't trade any of them until we see who gets ripe among this group

David 1 Mackin

1.) 14 Apr 2024 14:13:43
Can I be out to breakfast or dinner instead. I rarely go out for lunch.

I will actually give you some Robertson facts since you brought me back into it.

Do you know who Robertson has scored against this year?
Ottawa
Vancouver
Chicago
Columbus
Carolina 3X (Who had goalie trouble most of the season)
San Jose
Seattle
Anaheim
Buffalo
Florida
New Jersey
Detroit

Most of these teams are non playoff and not big, heavy teams who play a playoff style.

Who didn't he score against for instance and had games where he was in most cases not noticeable in
Tampa
Boston
Vegas
LAK
Winnipeg
Dallas
Colorado
Edmonton
Washington
NYR
Nashville
NYI

All these teams are top teams or close to playoff teams. Almost all play a heavier style of game.

Robertson has feasted on weaker teams. Good for him. We won't see any of those teams in the playoffs though.

As for when has the Leafs had such good young talent. You forgot some names in the early 70's. On top of adding Salming and Hammarstrom in 73. From 1970-77 the Leafs drafted
Sittler
Thompson
Kehoe
Ferguson
Boutette
McDonald
Kneely
Turnball
Valiquette
Tiger Williams
Palmateer
Jarvis
Carlisle
Anderson

I would say that trumps your list pretty easily for cheap young talent.


2.) 14 Apr 2024 20:08:23
Not once did I suggest a late first. A late-ish pick was what I stated. 3rd-4th round.


3.) 14 Apr 2024 23:22:42
When a player scores 14 goals there will always be 17 teams they don’t score against! If my math is correct.

So 6/ 14 are against playoff teams. And there are a few teams not in the playoffs that he didn’t score against.

I’d also question whether he even played against all the teams he didn’t score against plus his TOI is low.

I’d say Robertson is starting to gain some confidence in his abilities. It’s good to see him (knock on wood) not sustain another injury.

If he gets time in the playoffs it will be a good test on his long term viability as a Leaf.

I hope he makes it!


4.) 15 Apr 2024 00:15:36
Here’s a fact:

Nick Robertson has ATOI of 11:19 and has 14g and 12a.

NO OTHER PLAYER with that ice time has more points.

Just saying that he’s being very productive, especially for a guy who also is in and out of the lineup and gets little PP time. He’s played in 54/ 80 games. I have to wonder if he was in every game how much more confidence he might have?

He did have 5 assists against playoff teams like Tampa, Florida, Boston, Vegas and Winnipeg.

Think it’s time to leave Robertson alone. Matt Knies in 78gp has 15g and 21a in 13:42 ATOI with ample time in top6.

They’re both fine for me. McMann in 56gp has 15g 9a in ATOI 11:33.

I like these three.


5.) 15 Apr 2024 00:19:25
RLF

Lists the teams Robertson has scored against. Never have I seen a comparison like that used to determine the value of a hockey player.

Is Matthews less of a scorer if he scored more goals against non playoff teams compared to playoff teams.

It’s ridiculous


But now we enter playoffs next weekend and mark my words Robertson is in lineup and he will score goals.

Next season his role on team is significantly higher

Lets compare numbers

The two Robertson brothers

First I’m looking older brother and I’m also checking what older brother did as a 22 years old

RLF.

The last season that Jason Robertson played less than 60 games was as a 21 year old in 2020 - 21 season . Jason played only 51 games

Jason Robertson 2020~21 51 games 17 goals 28 assists 45 points
Nick Robertson. 2023~24 54 games 14 goals 12 assists 26 points

Nick had 2 goals called back this year due to a toe being offside. So the two players nearly match for goals in a similar role in and out of lineup.

Nick Robertson has never had a role with a leafs team and I’m expecting next year he is a full time player. So look for similarities in numbers next year between both brothers


We see in Sept what’s shaping up in camp but Nick Robertson is full time leaf next season. This year I expect he does damage in playoffs we will see?


6.) 15 Apr 2024 13:58:33
Rsears.

Sorry, no, your math is not correct. Robertson has scored against 12 different teams for 14 goals. You didn't account for multiple goals against the same team. Not sure what that would have to do with scoring mostly against the lower tier teams anyway. I'm pretty sure if he only scored against top teams you would be touting that it doesn't matter if he doesn't score against lower tier teams as they won't be in the playoffs anyway.

And yes, he did play against all the teams I listed he didn't score against. Why would I list teams he didn't play against? He has 5 goals against teams in the playoffs at the moment, but only against 3 teams. I notice you put 6 goals and didn't mention it's only against 3 teams. I'm not the one skewing facts to support a personal narrative.

Considering I wasn't even replying to your post, the main questions are; what did I write that caused two long posts designed to try and show how great Robertson actually is and wrong I am? What did I write that isn't fact? Where did I write that Robertson is bad? Why such a big write up to me, when you say nothing to others when they write much worse about Robertson?

Your response to me is because. . . why? Because Mackin went on about me again and how I don't know anything about Robertson and how great Robertson is and shouldn't be traded? All I did was show that I do know more about Robertson then he says and pointed out that, at this time he has feasted on the lesser teams and that doesn't relate to a player you don't trade. I also showed that he is not typically noticeable against tougher teams which is what will be seen in the playoffs. Again, not a player that is untouchable. That's all. You disagree with that? And enough to write two "support Robertson posts? " I said nothing bad about Robertson. I actually said good for him to at least feast on lesser teams.

Let's flip this for a second. You have been going on about Brodie all year saying way worse things than I do about Robertson. Do I tell you to leave him alone? Do I write multiple posts to you trying to prove you wrong? No, because I don't tell people what opinions they are allowed to have or express. You have even said my opinion is just an opinion, nothing more, and insinuated my opinion doesn't have much value. Yet, you can go on and on about Robertson and even tell everyone it's time to leave Robertson alone. Pretty authoritative things to say.

There seems to be some great desire to try and prove me wrong by you, yet you say I think I feel this is my site, even though I don't do the same to you. Not sure how you can know what I think and feel about my place on this site in the first place. Pretty arrogant statement to make actually.

I will agree with you that it does seem that someone has a need to feel they are the go to source on the site for hockey knowledge and even tell people which players should be left alone from any critique if it disagrees with their own assessment. It's not really me doing these things though.


7.) 15 Apr 2024 14:34:56
weathermac

Are you serious on Matthews not being critiqued on scoring. Matthews had lots of critique for not scoring in the playoffs when he was younger. There have been lots of questioning about whether he can lead the team when it matters and score enough in the playoffs and in big games.

If Robertson is in the playoff lineup and scores lots of goals, nothing would make me happier, assuming he isn't a liability defensively of course. You may be right. Nothing at this point would suggest you are though. He already plays only in the top 9. He also gets PP time on the 2nd unit. He gets sheltered minutes, which is what limits his overall minutes. His average TOI per game is low because he doesn't see the ice late in tight games. Sometimes he barely plays in the last 10-15 minutes of a tight game because of his lack of defensive responsibility. It's not because he isn't given opportunity offensively.

Why it could matter that he hasn't scored much against top teams is because those are the playoff teams for one. Add to that, in the playoffs things tighten up more, get more physical and open ice is harder to come by and has to be fought harder for. If he can't score against them in the regular season when more penalties are called and finding free ice is easier, it is going to be even tougher for him in the playoffs to produce against those teams. That's common sense. There is no evidence to suggest he is the type of player that will excel when games get tighter and more physical and you play every other night, like in the playoffs.

What does what Jason Robertson did have anything to do with Nick Robertson? One has nothing to do with the other.

Yes, he had two goals called back because HE was off-side trying to cheat for an advantage on odd man rushes. That's on him. Had the linesman got it right in the first place, no goal gets scored and this wouldn't be a debate. It was by more than a toe as well. The first one was obvious and the last one the linesman shouldn't have missed either as he was off-side by a good 6" or more.

Let's remember here. I am not the one who said Robertson would score 30+ goals this year, that was you. I said if he gets even 20 we should be thrilled. I didn't say McMann doesn't belong on the team. That was you. I said he should be on the team and could be a good complimentary player in the top 6. I didn't say we should trade Domi and Bertuzzi, that was you. I said put Domi on the top 6 and Bert will come around. I didn't say Treliving was horrible and ruined the team, that was you. I said I liked the direction Treliving was going.

Isn't it pretty disingenuous to be telling me I am wrong on Robertson and so many other players and management when I'm not the one who was actually wrong about it all from the start and you were?


8.) 15 Apr 2024 15:50:54
There you go again RLF.

You cannot accept being challenged!

6/ 14 goals are against playoff teams! Carolina (3), Vancouver, Florida and Detroit. Does scoring three against the number one seed not count for three.

You are a piece of work!

And who writes the epistles?

You call me arrogant; it’s really silly.

I think this site allows discussion amongst many. You’re not the only one who can respond to DM, and your name calling is really childish.


9.) 15 Apr 2024 19:21:55
Rsears

So the guy who started all the personal insults and continues to do so, accuses me of doing what he does. lol

There is nothing I wrote that isn't true and factual. Only the last paragraph to you is subjective. Are you saying you are the only one allowed to state what you think someone's motivations are. You seemed fine doing it to me, but get angry when I speculate what you are doing. And respond by name calling again.

For instance, on the facts, Detroit is not in the playoffs at the moment, which leaves 5 teams actually in the playoffs as I said. I did put he scored against Carolina 3X. 5 goals against 3 playoff teams. Facts get you angry?

I asked what I wrote that isn't true and I got the kind of response I should have expected from you I guess. You didn't acknowledge being wrong on your math. You didn't explain your need to step in. You didn't acknowledge that my point was strictly about Robertson not showing he is worthy of untouchable status and you instead went elsewhere with it. You didn't answer why you only go after me. No response to what I showed as fact, just insults. But I'm the one that can't handle being challenged and is the insulting one and you put that as part of one of your insulting posts to me, for about the 3rd or 4th time now. No contradiction there. lol

Funny you talk about the epistles, like now you find it offensive. This comes right after you called it a good read, full of good fiction and some historical fact. So which is it? You find it offensive or entertaining? Or is it whatever suits you on whatever day when you want to insult or get angry again.

So, if name calling is childish, which you have done and know you have now again, and it's also not right calling someone arrogant because it's silly, which you have done in the past, then are you just admitting to being everything you claim I am. Is that what I am to take from this, I guess.

Funny thing, If you re-read, I didn't call you arrogant or authoritative. I said your statements were arrogant and authoritative. I also didn't call you a piece of work. These are all things you have done though. Ironically, avoiding answering the questions and responding with anger and insults at those who pose questions in a debate are a common trait of arrogant people. Just saying.

No one said you can't respond to DM. You didn't respond to DM though, you responded to me. I was the one responding to DM. So what does that have to do with anything in your current rant at me. That's a really odd point to bring up. I will ask again, if you think so poorly of me and that I don't like being challenged, I'm a piece of work etc then why keep responding to my posts? No one forces you to engage with me. You do that on your own and then rant about how you don't like my responses to you.

If you can't see you are doing everything you accuse me of, which makes you no better, then what else is there to say really.


10.) 15 Apr 2024 20:01:25
RLF

I offered real facts to what you said.
6 of his 14 goals are against playoff teams and 5 of his 12 assists are against playoff teams. If you cannot count Detroit why would your claim be made.

Perhaps we should call it mis-information or distortion of the facts.

I joined Mackin’s post because your response needed to be questioned. Using teams who he scored against is as irrelevant as comparing the two Robertsons. With 14 goals scored there will always be at least 17 he doesn’t score against.

I have never resorted to name-calling; that is your area of expertise nor did I use the word authoritative; that was you.

I will say yet again that you simply are not able to accept being challenged on your so-called facts.

Like it makes less difference that Robertson scores three against Carolina because they were having goalie issues.

You’re grasping for straws.


11.) 15 Apr 2024 22:21:36
You never resort to name calling or insults. lol

I didn't say Detroit counted or make that claim. You did. You made the 6 of 14 against playoff teams argument. I corrected your error by the fact Detroit is not a playoff team atm. Is counting Detroit, who is a non-playoff team atm, part of the "facts" your offering as rebuttal.

Using teams he scored against is irrelevant? Ok. So, you would concede that if Nylander had 40 this season and 35 were against non-playoff teams and then during this years playoffs he failed to score, you would still call it irrelevant. I don't think most would and thankfully Nylander scored against lots of playoff bound teams this season. What about a goalie who can only win games against lower tier teams and not the good teams. Is that irrelevant to?

Telling someone that they think they run the site is making an accusation that they think they are in an authoritative role on the site. So, yes you did say I act authoritative.

Just because you keep saying that same thing about me doesn't make it true. The fact that you think it does, and insist it is, is a show of presumed authority by you on the subject btw. Your attempts at armchair psychology, which I will venture to guess you have no real education in, hasn't come close to proving what you claim. Your accusation's are also what people will do in an attempt to discredit another when they have no real argument of their own.

You want authority. You wrote the below, not me.

My "response NEEDED to be questioned"

Really? It "NEEDED" to? That's not a statement from a place of presumed authority? You were compelled to respond to me by whom exactly, to question it? The answer is you, as you admittedly felt you were the authority that needed to intervene.


12.) 16 Apr 2024 00:33:12
RLF

My posts presume nothing. As a contributor to the site I have every right to challenge your incorrect statements and misinformation.

Continue as you wish in your fantasy; you are what you are.


13.) 16 Apr 2024 13:26:06
Rsears

Living in fantasy. Interesting statement when it comes from the guy who insists he doesn't name call and hasn't been insulting while he uses personal attacks when challenged on his statements thinking that somehow discredits me and my hockey knowledge and overall intelligence. Ok.

Insults are not evidence.


14.) 16 Apr 2024 14:30:18
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12 Apr 2024 04:34:05
Leafs trade Robertson Liljegren

Wild trade Middleton


This is t my idea it's RLF

Talk about this lousy trade for a while.

Keefe likes Robertson and sad this is his second Gila to comeback a toe was offside

So how much are next 2 seasons on a Robertson and Liljegren new deals going to cost


Robertson. $2.0 million age 22
Liljegren $2.5 million Age 25 in a few weeks



Liljegren gets better season over season plus he is a right hand shot drafted 17 th overall . Middleton is 28 with 235 games under his belt and was drafted 210 th overall 2014

Does anyone do this trade Middleton for Liljegren and RLF throws Robertson in the deal. Does it matter Nick Robertson will put up at least 35 goals in NHL soon ? Apparently. Not



When was the last time leafs had this kind of scorer backing up the stars on leads teams gone by

Sittller McDonald had Tiger Williams and Errol Thompson the leafs had Pat Boutette who went to Pittsburgh and had a few near 80 point seasons


Sundin he had Clark and Gilmour and Domi who never was a scorer


You don't trade young 22 year old guys who can score it never ever should happen.

Leafs won't be this foolish


I my 62 years I don't remember a Cheak group that is coming together in Toronto let them grow

Knies
Qualiian
McMann
Robertson
Cowan
Holmberg
Minten I'm worried his scoring but still we see

These guys won't earn big money for years. It's very handy when you have Matthews Marner Nylander and Tavares eating cash


RLF

You're wrong on both Robertson and Liljegren you can't see progress in both. In your eyes your either a star or a dud no room to grow. Do you regret Hyman walking he wasn't scoring 53 with Leafs but he was more than Bertuzzi ever could be

David 1 Mackin

1.) 12 Apr 2024 14:15:07
Now weathermac. I could go through your post and rebut everything you have said, but instead, I am going to tell a tale of cautionary measure.

This tale began in Leafland. There were once two very distinct, yet very different islands in Leafland.

One being Mackin Island. This was an unusual place. It is a small, isolated island where a bedraggled figure called the Weathermackin walks around with a hockey puck he named Rondelle and a dog named Max, whom for some reason had antlers tied to his head. He talks to Rondelle, the puck, like a close friend and cherishes the comradery with Rondelle. The climate is very unpredictable on Mackin Island. The weather changes rapidly. Thunder, lightning and rain clouds fills the skies, but would briefly, oh so briefly, be blown away and shed a little light on the island. Screams of "Domi sucks! " are often followed by "we must re-sign Domi! " These, among other contradictory screams can be heard over on the other Island, RLF Island. The weathermackin would climb to the top of a mole hill he calls Mount Mackin and glare over at RLF Island. He would grab poor Max while pacing across Mount Mackin and say to Max "Listen to them over there, happy and rationally discussing the Leafs. " "They laugh, they have their lounge chairs, their beautiful beaches with consistent weather, they clink their beer glasses together, they share insightful thoughts, they stick to their opinions and evaluations, HOW DARE THEM! " he mutters.
The weathermackin wants none of this. Although, he would actually have the odd visitor to Mackin Island. Now and then Rsears would pop by to pump up Robertson or waterbuffalo would discuss the greatness of Liljegren. But, most of the time the weathermackin lives in "Leaf related opinion" solitude. He screams out one contradiction after another while fixing his gaze on RLF Island. He plots how he could steal the celebration of "insightful thoughts", which is celebrated daily on RLF Island by all who come there to engage in reality. But sadly for the weathermackin, no matter how hard he tries, the weathermackin fails, one attempt after another.

Over on RLF Island. The weather is a consistent 26 degrees, the waters calm, the skies sunny. Many come to discuss the Leafs. LeafsLife, Tags, Randy, Goat, Clarky, Loxley (who is on vacation? ) among others often discuss their Leafs views. ParkGarden and MPH would drop by for a rant and a cold beer. They share laughs, they clank their beers glasses, they eat roast beast and chuckle about maybe one day the weathermackin himself would come over and carve the roast beast. They know this is farfetched, but maybe, just maybe, a well placed lightning strike would grow the weathermackin's hockey intellect three sizes one day. But alas, the contradictory screams persist in the distance with annoyance comparable to the sound of a butterfly's wings. The true sound of the scales of hockey opinions attempting to be balanced.

The moral of this story. If the weathermackin disagrees with you, you are most likely correct and ironically, he may even eventually agree with you at some point.

Disclaimer; RLF Island is fictional and by no means does RLF think he runs the Leafs Rumours site. This tale was for entertainment purposes only. Any and all similarities to actual characters or events is strictly coincidental:)


2.) 12 Apr 2024 14:47:25
Lol, hilarious RLF.
Mackin is like a fish out of water, flopping back and forth.


3.) 12 Apr 2024 20:10:52
That was a great read lmao. Mackin sounded line the Grinch who Stole Christmas.


4.) 12 Apr 2024 22:10:22
I agree, it was a good read.
Entertaining and fictional with some historical accuracy.


 

 

12 Apr 2024 02:57:08
Leafs trade Giordano

Norfolk fish 7 th round pick in the retirement draft


Giordano has 3 games left in NHL and I think you must start Woll Game 1

Another goal taken away from Robertson on a sight offside but he has to be in lineup game 1

The team only go as far as defence and goaltending takes them

Nylander has to play beside Tavares and McMann

Marner can play with Holmberg and Robertson

Marner just is more consistant and better player than Nylander. Marner can carry a line like Matthews can and Nylander needs Tavares.

But this was game 79 and half of the team didn't show up the fun starts in a week



Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Marner
Knies Kampf Jarnknok


Reilly Benoit
McCabe Liljegren
Edmondson Lybushkin


Brodie and Giordano Reaves press box

David 1 Mackin

1.) 12 Apr 2024 13:35:21
You start woll game one? He's been awful since coming back. Completely different goalie.


 

 

05 Apr 2024 00:28:24
Leafs Marner
Islanders Dobson 1st rounder 24

RLF

CHEAK OUT Joey Ramone version of wonderful world

David 1 Mackin

1.) 05 Apr 2024 02:50:58
I listened. Good version. I didn't know they did that. Thanks.

To be a wonderful world it would have to be the 2 1sts in your original prop. This is like a really good world. Lol

I have to ask. How did you know about Grebyonkin?


 

 

 

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22 Apr 2024 03:36:03
Papi

Easy to blame keefe who did he throw under bus. Let’s see game 2 b4 you start throwing white flags papi

Down 2 0 would be a problem

Matthews hasn’t scored 3 games so there is going to be an explosion soon. Austin had 6 great chances game 1

I haven’t read it but I assume McMann and Nylander are back in the lineup for game 2.

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21 Apr 2024 21:41:27
MPH

NO NO NO NO

Let’s think this through suppose leafs get swept Boston! I don’t think they get swept but I think Toronto lose series.

So what will offseason be Leafs have a lot of money to play with and even more if 5 players don’t return


Do not return

Bertuzzi
Domi
Jarnknok
Kampf
Brodie

Return bigger roles

McMann
Robertson
Holmberg
Cowen
Minten
Niemela

UFA POSSBLE TARGETS NOT SIGNING ALL A FEW


Leafs score some players off this list



Montour
Peace
Hanifin
Demelo
Lindholm
Stamkos
Marchessault
Matt Duchane
Teravainen


If Bertuzzi would take less money on a long deal I bring him back. Domi money could stay same on long term deal I bring hi, back as well . Domi takes 500 k haircut on long term deal all the better


Lines
Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Stamkos Marner
Reaves Holmberg Minten

Reilly. Pesce
McCabe Liljegren
Benoit Niemela

Woll.

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21 Apr 2024 08:26:09
Leafslife

I’m shocked you ask what the issue with these three players are and the same holds true for Kampf

It’s funny Kampf actually scored tonight but it doesn’t change who he is a forth line player earning over 2 million. Holmberg replaces him next year a better player who earns a lot less.

Jarnknok if I remember and I can’t look it up right now jarnknok earns $2.4 million. He is great on special teams. But he just doesn’t drive enough offence to play on Leafs top 9. I would sooner have Robertson in the lineup who is a explosive player where Jarnknok isn’t

If Leafs lose this series one of the main reasons will be the top line didn’t score enough goals. Matthews had 6 chances tonight and hasn’t scored in three games so look out game two.

Leafs pay Bertuzzi and Domi 8.5 million combined so the question becomes will those two take less to stay or do leafs let them go add more money to those two players spots and get more explosive players to replace Domi and Bertuzzi

If leafs don’t win this playoff series plus the next one then Bertuzzi and Domi have zero chance of returning

The Leafs will be forced to add more skill and replace those two. There are only 12 forward spots and Toronto have a lot of guys here and on way next season.

McMann
Robertson
Holmberg

Those 3 above get bigger roles next season. The only place Domi and Bertuzzi fit right now is top line

Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson UFA Marner
Reaves. Holmberg —————

So next year you could replace Bertuzzi Domi More skill.

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07 Apr 2024 17:41:01
He played last night so he wasn’t suspended for that play Friday night … last night 13.5 min of ice time 4 shots on goal 2 hits zero pen min . He is paying on Flames top line with Kadri. and Kuzmenko .

My no trade list would be the top 5 plus

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavaras
Reilly
Liljegren
McCabe
Benoit
McMann
Robertson
Cowan
Woll
Holmberg.

A lot of these players are decent players but there contracts are so team friendly. I don’t want to trade Holmberg as he adds something good and only costs 800k next season and McCabe just costs a million .

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05 Apr 2024 02:36:44
I like it I don’t think they trade Liljegren and I think they keep Tavares and Nylander on same line. But that’s a great team Matthews and Marner can drive lines by themselves.

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16 Apr 2024 16:52:36
15 plus min a game would be nice Robertson has never had it.

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15 Apr 2024 00:19:25
RLF

Lists the teams Robertson has scored against. Never have I seen a comparison like that used to determine the value of a hockey player.

Is Matthews less of a scorer if he scored more goals against non playoff teams compared to playoff teams.

It’s ridiculous


But now we enter playoffs next weekend and mark my words Robertson is in lineup and he will score goals.

Next season his role on team is significantly higher

Lets compare numbers

The two Robertson brothers

First I’m looking older brother and I’m also checking what older brother did as a 22 years old

RLF.

The last season that Jason Robertson played less than 60 games was as a 21 year old in 2020 - 21 season . Jason played only 51 games

Jason Robertson 2020~21 51 games 17 goals 28 assists 45 points
Nick Robertson. 2023~24 54 games 14 goals 12 assists 26 points

Nick had 2 goals called back this year due to a toe being offside. So the two players nearly match for goals in a similar role in and out of lineup.

Nick Robertson has never had a role with a leafs team and I’m expecting next year he is a full time player. So look for similarities in numbers next year between both brothers


We see in Sept what’s shaping up in camp but Nick Robertson is full time leaf next season. This year I expect he does damage in playoffs we will see?

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29 Mar 2024 19:10:28
RLF

I forgot to add a E ok u win

I’m sure you would agree that McMann was a great signing and he would be great on a third line with a UFA CENTER and Marner

Who has the second best one timer on Leaf team it’s Robertson

Next season I slot Robertson with Tavares and Nylander


I would offer Robertson same contract as McMann

I just think going forward Robertson is going to score a lot more than Knies

This will create a logjam at camp



Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
Robertson Tavares Nylander
McMann UFA Marner
Reaves Holmberg Knies.

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29 Mar 2024 18:55:15
You guys are correct it doesn’t matter really and I think the Rangers and Carolina are easier matchups

If you compare where Leafs are now and where they will be at start of next season

Next year should really be best team Leafs have iced in years

You have to love the signings of

McMann
Benoit

The three next signings I want to see is Domi and Bertuzzi Jones and Robertson

But Leafs can add term to Bertuzzi and Domi but they must get a better price on both players

3 or 4 year deals on each player

Domi I need him to come in at $2.5 million and Bertuzzi I would prefer $3.5 million but I would go to $4 million


I’m sure Bertuzzi doesn’t want a 1 year deal again so give him the term he wants. It’s crucial Toronto add one more top 6 forwards in free agency . So Bertuzzi needs a big haircut



Bertuzzi. Matthews Domi
Robertson Tavares Nylander
McMann UFA Marner
Reaves Holmberg Steeves

Reilly UFA
McCabe Liljegren
Benoit Niemela

Woll
Jones
Hildeby


This lineup will allow you to spend on two very high UFAs.

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18 Mar 2024 05:11:04
I can make a case that Robertson if he played all 82 games this season he gets 20 goals. I look at Robertson and I can see him doing better than Debrincat who is 4 years older than Robertson and put up two 40 goal seasons .

All that’s missing for Robertson is finding better spots of ice to release his shot. You saw last night with very little room the power he got of on his shot that was a goal. He is very similar to Matthews he isn’t quite as good but both have that great release. Look for Robertson to put up 30 goals next season. It will be a breakout year for him and at less than half what they pay Jarnknok I don’t think Robertson is going anywhere.

How about Matt Duchene between McMann and Robertson. Top nine below

Knies Matthews Marner
Domi Tavares Nylander
McMann Duchene Robertson
Reaves Holmberg Cowen


That’s a much better scoring team. Bertuzzi may have brought physicality but he can’t be relied on to score goals consistently. With Detroit he he 30 goals and last year with Boston he had 5 goals in 7 playoff games but besides that he has never really produced goals.

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