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22 Sep 2023 12:07:18
What about this for an idea, with Nylander, if they can't agree on AAV, take a 1 year deal and punt this decision another year out. In 2 years, Tavares deal will fall off too, he likely takes a significant decrease in salary and makes the higher AAV for Nylander more reasonable.
1 year at $8.5M, represents a $1.5M increase and then he can sign an 8 year $10M deal. This works out to a 9 year deal at $9.83M for him in overall earnings
If not, I see a trade happening
To SEA: F - W. Nylander
To TOR: F - S. Wright + 2024 1st (top 5 protected) + F - O. Bjorkstand
Seattle significantly upgrades their RW, Bjorkstrand slots in for the Leafs on the 2nd or 3rd line RW.
Leafs save $2.5M cap this year and Bjorkstrand is signed for 2 more years at $4.5M.
Leafs also gain a top prospect and a 1st to either use or trade with to upgrade at the deadline
1.) 22 Sep 2023 15:26:51
I like the idea on making him bet on himself for another year. Get the best out of him and have that extra year of insurance, as to not risk losing him for nothing next off-season.
2.) 22 Sep 2023 15:36:33
The issue is his age. Late 20s is the time to take max term for players, as they won't be getting 7-8 years at 30+ years old.
3.) 22 Sep 2023 16:17:48
It’s great idea for Nylander to sign after Tavares deal is up.
Players are signing one year deals as they know the cap is moving higher
I would give Nylander a two year deal at 10 million
Willy would like it as it gives him more leverage.
4.) 22 Sep 2023 16:46:24
@David1Mackin
The whole purpose of signing Nylander to a one or two year deal is to keep the AAV lower. It should be around the $8.25/ $8.5M range, not $10M which he wants for an 8 year deal.
5.) 23 Sep 2023 16:18:32
T-buds. I think getting Willy on a one year deal and then give him his bigger contract later would be great. I just don't see Willy agreeing to do that. He wants his money now and if he gets hurt, that could be the end of his chance to get a big contract.
6.) 24 Sep 2023 15:48:49
Just to add, Willy is still 27 and will have just turned 28 when July 1st hits next year. So he'll be able to sign an 8 year deal, taking him to 36. Leafs will benefit for the first 4 or 5 years before he starts to regress, if he does.
20 Aug 2023 21:16:30
To TOR: D - N. Dobson + F - O. Wahlstrom + F - M. Martin + 2024 2nd
To NYI: F - W. Nylander + D - T. Liljegren
The Leafs and Isles swap D for F, Leafs get the good, up and coming Dobson, Isles get scoring they need. Swap younger prospects as well. Leafs giving up more get a 2nd and Martin as well
1.) 20 Aug 2023 22:03:42
I think you're closer to;
Nylander+Lilly+Knies
Dobson
Even then, I'm not sure.
2.) 20 Aug 2023 23:00:31
Already got meat head Reaves. Don’t need Martin unless you get rid of him.
3.) 20 Aug 2023 23:14:01
@Tbuds. I think Nylander with Lily for Dobson makes a lot of sense for both teams as I have said before. Unless an extension of Willy is in place, I can't see NYI giving up even close to what you suggest and then consider both teams need cap relief.
I think it would be something more like Nylander and Liljegren for Dobson and Dufour with a 3rd team involved taking Pageau on where NYI gets a pick back.
4.) 21 Aug 2023 04:02:29
I like most of the trade but with Treliving having signed Reaves I think Matt Martin and the 2nd are unnecessary.
To Islanders : Nylander, Liljegren
To Leafs, Dobson, Wahlstrom.
Islanders get the far superior wing in Nylander while Leafs get the superior defenseman in Dobson.
5.) 21 Aug 2023 12:46:22
Fair, Martin and the pick could be unnecessary, but this would also be premised on Nylander inking an extension.
NYI do not do this trade otherwise.
6.) 21 Aug 2023 13:03:42
Don't think you get Dobson for Nylanderr but maybe Pulock.
@RLF how come your not on hfbiards anymore?
7.) 21 Aug 2023 14:32:59
@Habssuck. I haven't been on that site in years and I doubt I'm missed. lol
I found this site and I like the discussions here.
8.) 21 Aug 2023 20:22:53
Nylander
Lili
3rd round pick
Dobson.
9.) 21 Aug 2023 22:13:43
Leafsforeva. Cap would be an issue for NYI. That is why I suggested a 3rd team takes on Pageau.
10.) 21 Aug 2023 23:52:10
Ah right right.
11.) 23 Aug 2023 13:29:59
Nylander, Liljegren and a 3rd for Dobson and Wahlstrom.
NYI sends Pageau to Chicago or Anaheim with a 2nd for future consideration. Maybe?
12.) 23 Aug 2023 18:33:34
@Leafs67. That is very much along the lines of what I am thinking. Maybe as a 3 way trade the Leafs 3rd goes to Anaheim and their 2nd goes to NYI.
02 Aug 2023 15:40:40
We all know the Coyotes make deals based on cash to be paid as they don't have much of it. What about this?
To TOR: F - N. Schmaltz (10% retained)
To ARZ: D - J. Muzzin (LTIR) + D - TJ. Brodie + F - N. Abruzesse + 2025 3rd
For Schmaltz he is due $24.5M over his final 3cl years with a total cap hit under $18M
Jake Muzzin, after his bonus is paid is only due $2M and will count for $5.6M in cap for Arizona. TJ Brodie who is paid a more than cap this year is included to make the deal work for the Leafs by cap.
Leafs line up
Bertuzzi Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Domi Schmaltz Jarnkrok
McMann Kampf Reaves
Rielly Liljegren
McCabe Klinberg
Gio Timmins
Samsonov
Woll
Gives the Leafs 3 solid lines for depth
1.) 02 Aug 2023 18:21:48
defence really sucks.
2.) 02 Aug 2023 18:23:28
Very thin on defense though after this trade. Thinner then we currently are, which is scary.
3.) 02 Aug 2023 20:55:21
This doesn't help the Leafs cap situation. Remove Muzzin, and they are even farther over the cap right now because Muzzin doesn't count againstthe cap. All this trade does is keep them in the ssme position they are in now and they will still have to move out more cap and have a worse defence.
27 Jul 2023 16:00:27
In my opinion, only possible trades are either of the two:
If Nylander won't agree to an extension at $9.5M or less, he's traded.
To NYI: F - W. Nylander
To TOR: D - N. Dobson + F - O. Wahlstrom + F - C. Clutterbuck
Cap hits going each way are $7M vs $6.6M
or
To SEA: F - W. Nylander
To TOR: F - S. Wright + 2024 1st* + F - A. Wennberg
* 1st is top 10 protected
However, if Nylander does sign, then the Leafs flip Jarnkrok
To CAR: F - C. Jarnkrok
To TOR: 2024 2nd round pick
or something similiar to this
1.) 28 Jul 2023 00:46:03
I’m not sure Lou would trade Dobson for Nylander straight up let alone add Wahlstrom and Clutterbuck.
Dobson is a #1 defenseman in the making.
1st line wingers are not nearly as valuable as #1 defenders.
I do like the targets though and perhaps a Nylander plus Liljegren for Dobson and Wahlstrom might come a little closer to peaking Lou’s interest.
Or
Nylander, Robertson and Niemala for Dobson and Wahlstrom?
2.) 28 Jul 2023 04:41:25
@WB that's closer, but I still think Leafs add.
The old way of looking at it was always a 1C for a 1D. Obviously, many factors complicate this, but I think it's closer to Willy+++ for Dobson alone. Dobson is signed for 4m/ yr for 2 years AND expires an RFA after that.
3.) 28 Jul 2023 15:13:35
The main problem I see with Nylander for Dobson is that the Isles don't have the cap space to give Willy $9+M. Unless they also move Nelson and Palmieri in order to re-up Nylander, I don't see how they fit him in. They have no cap space as is to take on Willy.
19 Jul 2023 12:52:22
Following up on the Nylander trade below, if the Leafs moved Nylander to the Isles for Dobson and Wahltstrom
To TOR: D - N. Dobson + F - O. Wahlstrom + 2024 3rd
To NYI: F - W. Nylander
Cap hit is $2M in savings for the Leafs this year.
Dobson makes a lot of sense has he is still under contract next season for $4M and won't need a new deal until Tavares contract falls off and his cap number goes down.
Murray will be placed on LTIR in all likelihood, so his cap will be recouped.
Leafs then sign Patrick Kane to a 1 year $6M deal
Leafs lines
Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Tavares Kane
Jarnkrok Domi Wahlstrom
Homburg Kampf Reaves
Rielly Dobson
McCabe Klinberg
Gio Liljegren
Timmins
Samsonov
Woll
Could swap in Kane and Marner, gi with an all American line or all Canadian line
1.) 19 Jul 2023 13:26:25
Did you cut Brodie? Murray will not go on LTIR, he’s not injured. He will be bought out.
2.) 19 Jul 2023 13:57:56
Murray was cleared to play in the playoffs, so no LTIR. Unless you send the goons after him and send him to Robidas Island.
3.) 19 Jul 2023 14:23:07
@bob1965 don’t be surprised if he does end up sipping piña coladas on Robidas Island. I’d of said the same as you but in the last 24 hours I’ve heard Frank Seravalli, Elliott Friedman and Chris Johnston mention it as a distinct possibility.
4.) 19 Jul 2023 19:12:34
What I heard is that if he has an injury then he can't be bought out, then he would land on LTIR. I'd think Robidas island is a good destination so he can heal.
5.) 20 Jul 2023 00:15:35
@tbuds injury is even better. If he can sit with Muzz, problem solved.
6.) 20 Jul 2023 01:26:23
Dobson and Wahlstrom for Nylander would be a great fit from Leafs perspective but I fear Lou would have little interest in trading his future #1 defenseman for a right winger who wants a $10 million dollar contract extension.
7.) 20 Jul 2023 01:31:54
@T-buds. That's what I heard as well. He is somehow not healthy again with a lingering issue so if true, the Leafs can't buy him out.
I would think he has trade value if he is an LTIR candidate. The problem is, is it for the whole year, or may he come back.
8.) 20 Jul 2023 12:45:36
Once on LTIR, the Leafs can just keep him there all year and not clear him internally.
9.) 20 Jul 2023 13:57:02
@T-buds. I'm not sure on that. I thought the NHL has started to come down a bit harder on that and have even had players checked by their own Dr. s if they think a team may be trying to circumvent the cap for a full year. I could be wrong, but I thought heard that.
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10 Jun 2019 12:43:48
Does the Skinner deal impact Marner's contract?
Skinner just scored 40 goals on a very poor team, and has scored 30+ goals 4 times in his career. He also was a pending UFA
My thoughts are no team is dumb enough to sign Marner to an offer sheet paying him north of $10.5M as no one will pay 4 1st's for a winger, I like Marner but he's not McDavid, sorry
So when looking at a contract, $10.5 is the max I would go with him on an 8 year deal. Ideally the Leafs want $9M on an 8 year deal, but that is not going to happen.
Can a 7 year 9.75M deal work? Slice off 1 year of UFA and meet half way?
1.) 14 Jun 2019 20:59:33
The Skinner deal impacts every contract. I would assume it gives Marner a lot more leverage. Marner is arguably the better player. Scores less goals, but has been instrumental in leading the play for the Leafs. Both are top line wingers and among the top offensive points leaders on their teams. The comparison is apt, and though it doesn’t give Marner any leverage to ask for more money, it does strengthen his case for what he has been asking.
20 Oct 2018 14:31:23
Does Tuch's new deal out of his ELC at $4,75MM for 7 years improve the contract offer talks for the Leafs with Nylander.
I understand he's not as good as Nylander, but also lower than what the Leafs are offering
last year
Nylander 20G, 41A, 61 Pts
Tuch 15G, 22A, 37 Pts
Leafs offer is around $6M - $6.5M on a LT deal
Also hearing a 4 year offer around $4.75M AAV
I would say the Leafs are bang on with their offers using this as a gauge!
1.) 21 Oct 2018 02:07:14
I think Tuch is going to be for Vegas what Lucic was for Edmonton.
09 Jun 2018 16:01:24
Looking towards the draft, the Leafs need to start to upgrade the depth at the C position. After looking at some mocks, here are two quality C to draft 1st and 2nd
1st - C - R. McLeod
2nd - C - J. McBain
Two young big bodied Centres who the Leafs can develop
The other need is at RHD, but I feel with Lilijegren in the pipe and they should be looking for a NHL ready RHD so the draft is not ideal unless they trade up for D - E. Bouchard
27 Feb 2018 02:48:51
Looking towards the off-season,what do contracts look like for the big 3
Using Eichel and McDavid and sandwich for Matthews I come to the following:
A. Matthews 8 years $88M, ($11M AAV)
For both Marner and Nylander who I say are valued the same, I use Ehlers and Pastrnak to sandwich their deals.
M. Marner 7 years 45.5M ($6.5M AAV)
W. Nylander 7 years $45.5M ($6.5M AAV)
Thoughts?
1.) 28 Feb 2018 01:31:57
the amount of years for marner should be 8 years and nylander should take 5.5M at 7 years.
22 Feb 2018 13:31:16
As his name keeps popping up, what's a reasonable package for the currently injured Tanev
To VAN: F - Rychel + D - Nielsen + 2018 2nd round pick
To TOR: D - C. Tanev
Thoughts?
1.) 25 Feb 2018 08:59:15
Replace Neilsen with another player. Maybe Rosen. Neilsen is a tough LHD who can fight and score. He just needs more time in the AHL.
24 Sep 2023 15:48:49
Just to add, Willy is still 27 and will have just turned 28 when July 1st hits next year. So he'll be able to sign an 8 year deal, taking him to 36. Leafs will benefit for the first 4 or 5 years before he starts to regress, if he does.
24 Aug 2023 23:53:45
Have Philly add and maybe.
21 Aug 2023 12:46:22
Fair, Martin and the pick could be unnecessary, but this would also be premised on Nylander inking an extension.
NYI do not do this trade otherwise.
27 Jul 2023 15:52:06
Why would the Leafs want to do this? Samsonov was great last year, he was originally picked in the 1st round so he has a high quality talent. Maybe he is finally coming into his own with the Leafs, no need to move off of him now.
27 Jul 2023 15:51:05
This makes the Leafs worse.
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