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27 Nov 2022 03:12:40
To Leafs: Lawson Crouse ($4.3)

To Arizona: Kerfoot ($3.5), Wayne Simmons (&900,000) for salary matching purpose, Arizona native son, Matthew Knies (terrific for marketing), plus either Leafs 2023 - 3rd round pick or 2025 - 2nd round pick, whichever one Arizona was not going to use from the Lyubushkin rental, as Arizona has the choice of selection.

Crouse would be a perfect addition to the Leafs 2nd line with Tavares and Marner.
Crouse would make Matthew Knies redundant at left wing.
It would allow Leafs to send Robertson down to the Marlies where he should be playing major minutes, as Keefe seems intent on stapling him to the bench.
Arizona gets a top prospect, another pick, a useful Kerfoot whose salary has already been mostly paid and is expiring next summer and a great mentor and leader in Simmons.


1.) 27 Nov 2022 04:48:30
No thx to trading knies.

2.) 27 Nov 2022 11:40:13
They don't want Simmonds and we don't wanna trade Knies. Not for that, atleast.

3.) 27 Nov 2022 12:29:54
Or possibly Knies makes Crouse redundant, we get to keep the picks and get something else for Kerfoot.
I’d be okay if you replace Knies with someone else!

4.) 27 Nov 2022 14:25:27
Your own reaction to this trade would be;
But Crouse is a -40 for his career and his best season is 34pts! Kerfoot is a 50 pt player, +21 and makes $.8M less! And you also want to add a great prospect in Knies plus a pick! No thanks!

The reality is that Arz just resigned Crouse to a 5 year $4.3M deal. He already has 9 goals on the season and has developed into a complete player that can be used in all situations. In the end, Arz would get a prospect they are not sure will be better than Crouse and a pick + whatever they can get for Kerfoot, that is if Kerfoot would even agree to go to Arz.

5.) 28 Nov 2022 00:26:35
Knies is a college player with hype but absolutely no pro pedigree.
Crouse has that and is the same age as Marner.
Knies could just as easily turn out to be another Tyler Biggs.
At best Knies won’t be an impact player for another year or two.
Leafs need to win now and Crouse can impact that.

6.) 28 Nov 2022 01:15:16
Crouse plays for the worst team in the league.
Looking at his plus/ minus is not a very accurate depiction of his value.
Crouse is a 25 year old pro who has proven he is an impact player.
Knies is a 21 year old NCAA player who has proven nothing to date.
Crouse scored 20 goals last year and already has 10 goals a 1/ 4 of the way through the 2022 - 2023 season.
There is no comparison between Crouse’s proven value and Knies potential value.
Crouse is a perfect fit foe the Tavares - Marner line while Knies is playing university hockey.

7.) 28 Nov 2022 04:15:35
Ok I’m really excited for the thought of what M Knies MIGHT be. For someone like Crouse who’s an established power forward I’d be down to create a package including Knies for him.

Leafs trade M Knies, SDA and Toronto’s
1st in 24’ top 10 protected

Yotes trade Crouse and forward Jack McBain

I’d think if Toronto could get the ball rolling with Arizona with the pkg above a sweetener could be added if necessary. Thoughts? Or should it be a subtraction by TO?

8.) 28 Nov 2022 12:36:14
@WB. C'mon WB49. You have used career +/ - numerous times in exactly the way I described you do to explain how a player isn't worth much. Severson a couple of times. Fischer for another, who plays on the same team as Crouse and a slightly worse career +/ -. I know you have with others when telling us how that player isn't worth the offer. If you now realize career +/ - is not a great way to evaluate a players worth (which I have said to you numerous times), then great.
What about prospects though. You say Knies has proven nothing to date and therefore doesn't carry much value. Ironically, you used to tell us how Holmberg had no real value either in trade suggestions and then after about 5 NHL games you call him the future #3C for the Leafs and is worth more than NHL players he is mentioned in trade suggestions. Knies has 4 Olympic games under his belt with 2 pts. Isn't that kind of similar experience to Holmberg having played 5 NHL games (Yes, I know he now has 8 games)? Maybe like career +/ -, saying because a player has no NHL experience isn't the best way to evaluate their worth. Before Matthews had played an NHL game, teams would have traded lots for him nonetheless. Teams are reluctant to give up "unproven" potential unless the return is too much to say no to. Just sayin.

9.) 28 Nov 2022 18:08:23
@RLF Justin Holl is a career +40

HoF for Holl!



05 Nov 2022 01:03:41
Leafs overall defense needs to be upgraded before they can be considered serious contenders.
With Muzzin on LTIR which might last the season:

To Seattle:
Matthew Knies
Rasmus Sandin
2024 - 2nd round pick
Kerfoot ($3.5)
Engvall ($2.25)
Holl ($2)

To Leafs:
Adam Larson ($4)
Carson Soucy ($2.75)

Total Out: $7.75
Total In: $6.75

Reilly - Brodie
Soucy - Larson
Giordano - Liljegren
Mete - Benn - Kral

Hate to lose Sandin but you have to give to get.
Knies is a potential top six left wing for Seattle to add to their stockpile of young players.
Leafs 2nd round pick should be around #53 - #58 in the draft.
With luck Holl might will begin to play like he used to, if he is removed from the hockey pressure cooker that is Toronto.
Engvall will improve Seattle's PK bring speed to their lineup and 10 - 15 goals.
Kerfoot can fit anywhere in their roster, bringing skill, PK, 50 points and is an expiring contract opening up $3.5 million in cap space for the Kraken next summer.


1.) 05 Nov 2022 11:48:35
I do like what Larsson and Soucy would bring to the Leafs but I’m not anxious to trade Knies.

If you replace him I’d probably be on board.

2.) 05 Nov 2022 15:00:51
Are you mad? . all that for 2 players?

3.) 05 Nov 2022 15:12:23
@Rsears I agree I do t want to trade Knies either. That one could hurt down the road. From what I see he’s what we’re are needing. As far as Sandin or the rest if we switch Knies with Robertson or Steeve’s and bite do it! We have Robertson’s already and Steeves well he’s replaceable by many other players in our system or one we could trade for draft etc. Having Larson and Coucey would definitely kick up our reliability on the backend and make the D keep opposing players heads up when they are out cause they both hit hard.

4.) 05 Nov 2022 17:27:21
Swap Robertson for Knies. If they accept, then fully on board.



01 Nov 2022 07:03:46
To San Jose:

Alex Kerfoot ($3.5)
Matt Murray ($4.687)
Nick Robertson ($.787)
Matthew Knies
2024 - 2nd round pick
2023 -3rd round pick via Ottawa Senators

To Leafs:

Timo Meier ($6)
James Reimer $(2.25)

Meier - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Steeves - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - Anderson/NAK/Simmons


1.) 01 Nov 2022 10:58:42
Meier is an RFA and not UFA, so his value should stay high. That said, his salary is $10M this season so his qualifying offer is at least that. Meier might be looking for $11M+. For that reason, this may do it. Without knowing what he may want on a new contract, not sure on him being a good target.

2.) 01 Nov 2022 11:28:15
I like Meier and perhaps Reimer would help our G but you’re giving up too much for my support.

3.) 01 Nov 2022 16:48:22
At first glance I thought this was a lot, but Murray you pay someone to take on and Kerfoot is probably a late pick.

Murray+Robertson cancel out so it's;

Kerfoot, Knies, 2nd,3rd for Meier and Rebound Reimer. Could be a solid deal, but SJ may ask for a bit more.

4.) 01 Nov 2022 22:06:06
I just can’t get behind this trade giving up 2 A-level prospects plus 2 decent draft picks, let alone 2NHL players.

Reimer is a backup so you’re trading all this for 1 NHL player, albeit a decent one who currently makes far too much and absolutely no guaranty he will be re-signed.

For me it’s necessary to balance current and future competitiveness and IMO this falls short.



28 Oct 2022 00:50:30
Canucks are looking to change things up having gone winless in their first 7 games.
Leafs appear to be swimming upstream.

To Leafs:
Bo Horvat ($5.5), Garland ($4.95) = $10.45

To Canucks:
Nylander ($6.9), Kerfoot ($3.5) = $10.4

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Garland
Steeves - Horvat - Jarnkrok
Engvall/ZAR - Kampf - NAK/Malgin/Gaudette


1.) 28 Oct 2022 08:25:01
So again we give up the best player. We need defence not more forwards.

2.) 28 Oct 2022 16:43:51
I mean 25th in the league in goals for. Might actually need forwards.

3.) 29 Oct 2022 05:01:47
Not sure that Nylander is as good an all round player as Horvat.
Horvat scored 31 goals last year while Nylander scored 34.
The key is that Horvat, at 215lbs, is much more physical and far better defensively.



03 Sep 2022 06:08:36
Nils Lundkvist (RHD), 22 years old, wants out of the Rangers organization.
Rasmus Sandin (LHD), 22 years old, appears to not want to remain a Leafs any longer.

Lundkvist doesn't see opportunity with the Rangers.
Sandin doesn't see opportunity with the Leafs.

Would a straight up, one for one trade make sense for both teams?


1.) 03 Sep 2022 12:15:40
Interesting idea, but I don't see how it solves anything for the Leafs or Sandin's issue. Do the Leafs really need another smallish, not very physical puck mover on D, even if he is an RD? I think the Leafs have enough of those. How does Sandin get a chance in NY? They have Miller, Lindgren, Jones and Hajek already on the left side with Robertson developing. I don't see how this really works for either team, especially when considering NYR would still have to sign Sandin and only have $1M left in cap space and they have no room for him on the team.

2.) 04 Sep 2022 02:22:28
I was thinking that none of Miller, Lindgren, kJones or Hajek are positively penciled in as Rangers 3rd pairing LHD so Sandin would have the opportunity to battle for the position.
An opportunity not available with the Leafs having Reilly, Muzzin & Giordano filling those positions.
For the Leafs, after Brodie we have only Liljegren in his second season and Holl in his final season as RHD.
Lundkvist would be a welcome addition to a defense that only has Niemala as a RHD in their prospect pool.
Thus, I felt Lundkvist would be a far more valuable asset to the Leafs than Sandin.

3.) 04 Sep 2022 14:19:33
@WB. Miller and Lindgren are pretty much locks for top 4 LD and have been the past two seasons. Leaves Sandin fighting for 3rd pair, which I agree he may win. Both Hajek and Jones makes less than a $1M and Sandin will want more than a $1M. There is nowhere for Sandin to move up and as you said, he has second pair potential.

I agree that Lundkvist wouldn't be a bad addition, but is he a necessary addition? Is he the addition the Leafs should be after to fill a need if moving Sandin? Leafs have other smallish RD in the system that move the puck. Just not the type of player the Leafs need imo.

You may be right and Lundkvist becomes a valuable asset. I just see Muzzin and Brodie likely gone in two years or less and Leafs have drafted lots of puck movers and no strong defensive D.

4.) 05 Sep 2022 02:10:40
I felt that the only realistic RHD prospect Leafs have is Topi Niemala and he is 2 or 3 years away from being ready for the big dance so Lundkvist perhaps fits the bill as 3rd pairing RHD ahead of Holl.




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19 Nov 2022 00:52:24
For those Leaf fans who wish to give up assets in a trade for Boeser!

"Boeser still without a goal in 11-games"


1.) 19 Nov 2022 12:00:57
I like Boeser. Fast, strong, big, good corner guy and has always shown to ability to score.
He got 2 last night in the Canuck win.

2.) 19 Nov 2022 14:02:29
I have to agree with WB49 on not going after Boeser. He does not use his size for a fairly big guy. He is inconsistent in his play. He gets sheltered defensively and not a guy that I would say has a strong engine to compete. If you just want a guy that feasts on the PP and has lots of talent and not a great engine, sure Boeser fits the bill. Isn't one Nylander enough? (Although in fairness to Willy, he has competed harder this year for the most part. Not to say he is now a physical player, just he is more so than previously)

3.) 19 Nov 2022 15:17:54
Ok, you folks are not fans of Boeser. Not the end of the world since there are other trades which can give us answers to our problems.

How about Sandin and Robertson to Arizona for Jack McBain, Joshua Brown and a 3rd round pick.

I think both sides get better which is a good thing in any exchange.

We get bigger and tougher to play against and Arizona get an expected future scorer and a replacement for what Gostisbehere gives at 1/ 2 the price (which always works for a team with a 5,000 seating capacity.

I like McBain’s upside and youth and to quote Don Cherry he’s a good boy, he’s Canadian. LOL.

4.) 19 Nov 2022 15:34:26
Rsears, You know I like Brown and McBain as they have been in numerous trade proposals of mine. Especially McBain. He is one of those guys I think could play with skilled players as a physical complimentary piece. Arz should jump all over that deal. Hopefully could get a little more out of them for Sandin and Robertson, but maybe not.

5.) 19 Nov 2022 19:54:51
So if WB49 is on board and a few others I’ll draft a letter to Dubas and tell him that his unheard close wannabe advisors are making their voices heard!



13 Nov 2022 00:31:11
Either one of Bradon Schenn or Ryan O'Reilly would greatly improve/strengthen Leafs 3rd line center position.
I'm not sure if either is available or what the cost would be?
Blues finally got a win after losing 8 games straight but might be in the market for a shakeup.
O'Reilly is a UFA at the end of this season while Bradon Schenn has 4 more years at $6.5 which is rather steep for Leafs cap situation.
It would be worth Dubas making a call to assess the situation!


1.) 13 Nov 2022 02:41:57
Is trade Nylander+ for Schenn. I prefer his game a lot for this team and 6.5 isn't outrageous.

2.) 13 Nov 2022 13:07:54
@LL, I personally believe St. Louis would need to add and not what you’re suggesting.

Schenn is not without his deficiencies and I don’t think he has ever scored like Nylander, nor will he ever.

I do understand people’s frustration with Nylander but he’s much more involve this year in the way he’s driving for the net or going hard around the net to make a play. Each year he adds a little more willingness to get to the dirty areas.

Sorry but I’m not making this trade unless the Blues add something significant.

3.) 13 Nov 2022 22:01:34
@Rsears You could be right and I'm looking at all Nylander trades as a Leafs fan that dislikes Wee Willy.



27 Oct 2022 23:38:17
For everyone who keeps posting trades for Chychrun.

Ice Chips: Coyotes D Chychrun suffers setback, out week-to-week.
Chychrun, 24, has not played since March 12 after suffering a season-ending ankle injury and had wrist surgery in the off-season that has kept him out of the lineup in 2022-23.

Six seasons: 82 x 6 = 492 games.
Games played: 337 games.
Max games played in one (1) season: 68 his rookie season

Leafs have had enough experience with chronically injured players and should be smart enough not to trade for another one.


1.) 30 Oct 2022 00:58:00
If I had to put on a Coyote uniform every night I'd try to be as injured as possible to.



24 Oct 2022 00:03:35
"The Jakob Chychrun trade winds have been picking up quite strongly in recent days, and the talented Coyotes blueliner could be on the move in the relatively near future. That being said, he'll have to get healthy first, and he may not be all that close to returning. Chychrun is still "a few weeks away," and he recently conducted an in-person visit to the wrist specialist who conducted his offseason surgery."

This is another player with a chronic injury history.
Over 6 seasons and 492 games, Chychrun has managed to suit up for a mere 337 games or roughly 68.5% of the team's schedule.
Leafs have had MORE than sufficient experience with injured players and do not need to add another to their roster.


1.) 24 Oct 2022 01:49:48
I don't actually think he adds much value either. He's an offensive defenceman who plays PP1.

If you wanted Chychrun, you shouldn't have signed Dubas.

2.) 24 Oct 2022 01:50:00
Got Dubas on the brain lol.




22 Oct 2022 02:15:19
I have never understood the fascination so many Leaf fans have with Jacob Chychrun?
Chychrun is another chronically injured player who spends far to much time in the infirmary.
It would be like trading for another Mrazek or Murray.
Chychrun has missed all of training camp and the Coyotes first 5 games of the season recovering from two separate injuries.
In his 6 year tenure as an NHL defenseman, Chychrun has only been able to put together one (1) above average season.
Outside of that he is basically a second pairing defenseman of which Leafs have more than enough.
Giving up young players (Sandin), prospects (Arizona would want native son Knies) and one, perhaps two 1st round picks (Leafs have had only 2 over the 5 years of Dubas' leadership) would be another massive mistake on the part of Leaf management who have become known for their egregious errors of judgment.


1.) 22 Oct 2022 05:24:10
I agree he is 24 and has already had both knees cut.

2.) 22 Oct 2022 12:58:49
If Muzzin is finished, he makes sense. Otherwise he would not be who the Leafs should target. imo.

3.) 23 Oct 2022 23:56:18
You and I both WB.

Always hurt, not good in his own end, one good year and nothing else, yet GM's want to offer the world for him.




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30 Nov 2022 00:02:37
Engvall ($2.25) and Kerfoot ($3.5) do not equate to”approximately $10 million in cap space.
Most of Muzzin’s cap space from LTIR has already been used bringing Leafs up to a 23 man roster.




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29 Nov 2022 23:59:02
I don’t see any of the oft injured McCabe, Athanisiou or Domi as difference makers.
Certainly not enough to give up a 1st round pick for.
If Leafs are giving up a 1st & 2nd plus, I would like to see a player who will elevate the team not just players who fill roster spots.




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29 Nov 2022 23:53:46
Another RHD along with a hopefully healthy, rejuvenated Timmons would give the Leafs some depth on the right side.
A one for one trade with a later round pick than a 2nd would be good.




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28 Nov 2022 23:28:04
Kravtsov is still learning the North American game.
I would love to see the Leafs acquire him as I believe he has substantial upside!




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28 Nov 2022 01:17:42
Leafs 3rd in 2023 is actually compliments of Ottawa not Arizona.
Arizona already owns either Leafs 2023 - 3rd or 2025 - 2nd (Coyotes choice) from the Lyubushkin rental.





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14 Jun 2022 03:49:53
Yes to NJ Devils 2nd overall.
Yes to Arizona 3rd overall.

Unfortunately I can’t see either of those teams trading one of Shane Wright, Slafkovsky or Logan Cooley for a highly skilled but soft, right wing!




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14 Jun 2022 03:44:05
Clifford and Simmons?
I thought they had played their way off the team with their abysmal performances against Tampa.
Maroon and Perry showed us what we need on the 4th line and it’s certainly not Clifford &/ or Simmons.

Also, Robertson is a Left Wing not a right wing and Kerfoot needs to be upgraded.

Where do Sandin and Liljegren fit on this team?
They are the only NHL caliber, future prospects that Leafs have on defense.