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10 Apr 2019 11:48:01
Toronto Maple Leafs -
(RW) William Nylander
(D) Nikita Zaitsev
Arizona Coyotes -
(LHD) Jakob Chychrun
(LW) Lawson Crouse
Toronto Maple Leafs
(RW) Andreas Johnsson
Carolina Hurricanes
(D) Brett Pesce
Toronto Maple Leafs
(RW) Connor Brown
4th round draft pick
Columbus Blue Jackets
(LW) Josh Anderson
This addresses 2 areas that i think the leafs lack Defense and Left Wing and a little toughness
Hyman Tavares Marner
Anderson Matthews Kapanen
Crouse Kadri Marleau
Moore Gauthier Petan
Rielly Pesce
Muzzin Chychrun
Dermott Rosen
Whats everyone think?
1.) 10 Apr 2019 18:24:56
Johnson is no where near enough for pesce.
2.) 11 Apr 2019 04:10:39
Johnsson is nowhere near enough for Pesce? Please do tell us why. Because a young fast cost controlled top 6 offensive possession playing forward that gets 20+ goals sure sounds like a player Carolina could really use.
28 Jul 2018 14:36:26
Leafs
Kasperi Kapanen
Josh Leivo
Jeremy Bracco
2019 1st Pick
Nashville
Ryan Ellis
What does everyone think??
Too much?
not enough?
1.) 28 Jul 2018 15:44:57
An extension for Ellis would have to be in place.
I like the fact that we would be dumping contracts on Nashvillle. Not sure what their cap situation is or how many contracts they are carrying right now, but if Nashville would make this trade, it might be a good idea. Leafs can do worse than to pursue Ellis.
2.) 28 Jul 2018 16:46:21
Too much for Ellis and not sure if the Leafs will have the cap space to resign him.
3.) 28 Jul 2018 18:02:41
Leafs should have the cap space to re-sin Ellis if Gardiner and Hainsey are let go. We are also unloading a fair amount of salary in this trade by moving Kapanen.
Still, you make a good point and it’s one I’ve made myself several times. Leafs look as though they are going to scrimp on salary on the back end. Bringing in a high priced veteran is not our solution. Ellis will be looking for at least as much as Gardiner, and maybe more. We would be better off keeping Gardiner if we are going to pay that much to any UFA.
4.) 28 Jul 2018 22:16:47
Leafs have roughly $22m to devote to blue line beyond this year. Predictions say Ellis might be getting $7m. If that's true and u bring him in to play with Reilly, u have $12m left. Assume Zaitsev can have a better year and is worth his contract and u play him with Dermott, the money left for third pair and seventh d would be around $5m. Could work if Lilligren jumps in with say a Carrick.
5.) 29 Jul 2018 16:55:10
Way to much for Ellis. why trade Kapenen. trade Nylander. Kap is a two way player, Nylander sleeps after entering our zone. AND. trading away a 1st is a no-no.
20 Jun 2018 19:02:37
Minnesota Wild
Jared Spurgeon
Charlie Coyle
Leafs
Jake Gardiner
Connor Brown
Josh Leivo
Trying to think of different trades that might teams.
How does this work??
1.) 21 Jun 2018 02:04:54
I like it if Minnesota does!
2.) 21 Jun 2018 05:03:15
Would love to have Coyle on Leafs team. The guy’s a monster and can put up good numbers. Spurgeon is a little smallish for my liking, but there is no denying his talent.
I don’t think Minnesota makes this trade. Gardiner would probably fit well with Dumba. But Spurgeon is Suter’s right hand man, and trading him would leave Minnesota in the same situation we currently are in, weak on RHD (Dumba would be there only RHD), and heavy on LHD with Brodin, Gardiner, Suter.
The second half of the trade is Coyle for Brown and Lievo. Minnesota might be willing to part with Coyle, and to be honest, I would actually offer them less. Wild are still going to be tight against the cap next year. We could try to take advantage and offer them cap relief consisting of a package of picks/ prospects. I don’t know if Wild would accept that, but if we could get Coyle without losing a current roster player, would be worth it.
I really like how you targeted Coyle here. He would make a great addition to the Leafs if we could get him cheap enough.
11 Jun 2018 13:39:38
Carolina:
Garret Sparks
Kasperi Kapanen
1st in 2018
Leafs:
Noah Hanifin
Buffalo:
Ryan O'Reilly
Rasmus Ristolainen
Leafs:
William Nylander
Connor Carrick
1st in 2019
1st in 2020
Calgary:
Ryan O'Reilly
Leafs:
Dougie Hamilton
Sign John Tavares
Are these fair Value ??
I know this is a pipe dream but i think this would solve all the teams involved in these trades.
Some of these are others people trade ideas but i thought were good ideas.
What do we think??
1.) 11 Jun 2018 14:06:36
Zach Hyman Auston Matthews Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau John Tavares Andreas Johnsson
Josh Leivo Nazem Kadri Connor Brown
Carl Grundstrom Par Lindholm Miro Aaltonen
Morgan Rielly Dougie Hamilton
Travis Dermott Rasmus Ristolainen
Noah Hanifin Nikita Zaitsev
Frederik Andersen Calvin Pickard.
2.) 11 Jun 2018 14:24:05
Sorry trade Jake Gardiner Matt Martin for picks.
3.) 11 Jun 2018 16:47:04
You just traded away our first round picks for the next three years.
The defense is much improved, but looks like an overkill. Each of those lines can practically be a top line.
The offense looks weaker, even with the addition of Tavares. You kinda killed our offensive depth to stack the blue line. I think you need a little more balance.
4.) 11 Jun 2018 16:55:34
That fourth line in particular is all rookies and would make me nervous as a coach. Including Lievo, who wasn’t even good enough to make the team last year, on the third line, just goes to show that you have virtually eliminated all our depth.
5.) 12 Jun 2018 00:39:34
I love that d corps.
You could have 12 mvp’s upfront and leafsgm would still find fault in it. Lol🤪.
6.) 12 Jun 2018 03:52:38
Carolina would be more than foolish to do this. That said they made Don Waddell their GM and he has not been known in the past for his astute dealing.
7.) 12 Jun 2018 06:21:03
Actually Hacksaw, I commended you on one of your trade proposals below. The Montour trade. I thought it was a good one. For some reason the administrator didn’t upload it.
8.) 13 Jun 2018 12:37:25
I don’t think we need 3 elite defensmen, only one on the right side to play with Rielly.
05 Jun 2018 15:30:33
Kings
Drew Doughty
Leafs
William Nylander
2018 1st
2019 1st
Sign Doughty
10 mill for 6 years
I think this year the leafs pick 25th and next year will be around the same.
I looked at all the other teams and most of the good team have 4 or 5 guys that get paid big money but 1 guy out of the 4 or 5 is elite d-man. Is this enough for Drew?? or too much?
1.) 05 Jun 2018 17:08:19
I think what you are offering is pretty close. Both in terms of trade value, and the contract you suggest, though likely is going to be a maximum term contract (8 years) .
If Leafs could pull the trigger on a trade like this, they should move on it. Waiting for Doughty to hit the open market could be a costly mistake. Is better to lock him up if they have the chance. It costs a lot in terms of trade value, but we are talking about one of the best (if not the best) defensemen in the world.
I guess this trade would all depend on how LA sees themselves come deadline time. Are they possible contenders, or are they going to need to start a rebuild? If they decide they are no longer contenders, moving Doughty is the most logical choice, as it would bring back a good number of premium assets and free up the most cap space.
Karlsson is available as well. Should Leafs fail to be able to land Doughty, Karlsson May be a second option. Though I would much prefer Doughty.
2.) 05 Jun 2018 17:59:02
The only issue would the 2 late 1st be enough?
I Agree it would have to be 8 years
I just hate 7 or 8 year contracts.
3.) 05 Jun 2018 18:24:58
How about sweetening it a bit:
Leafs trade Gardiner
NJ trades 1st
Then:
Leafs trade Nylander, 2x1st (2018), 1st (2019)
LA trades Doughty.
4.) 05 Jun 2018 23:00:24
Are you joking!?
Don’t get me wrong, Doughty is arguably the best the defenseman in the league right now. He’d also be 37 when your contract ends and won’t be worth that 10 mill cap hit for the last half of his contract.
Gardiner is no Doughty but he is worth more than a single mid round 1st.
The amount of assets you are giving up is a massive gamble. In the moment, 2x1st and Nylander would be a fair deal. It would seem extremely lopsided in 4 years if Nylander evolves into a 1C and one of those picks turns into a quality NHL player while Doughty is 33 and on a strong decline. When Toronto squired Kessel, it was at market value and a fair trade, at the time. As soon as I tell you we traded Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel the picture changes. 3x1st (with the one you added being the highest) and Nylander is an overpayment.
The leafs brass has said REPEATEDLY - we are not trading our future for a shot today. They want to build a franchise. This trade is against everything the shanaplan has promised.
5.) 06 Jun 2018 03:13:02
Good points SmileyReilly.
Athletes these days play a long time. Lidstrom, Chelios, Chara, just to name a few, were easily still going strong into their 40’s. I imagine Doughty will be too. But that doesn’t mean we should mortgage our future for him. If he hits the open market and we can land him, fair enough. But I don’t really like the thought of trading 3x1st, and a top line winger with the potential to be a stud 2nd line center.
When you bring up the whole Seguin/ Hamilton thing, it really puts things into perspective.
6.) 06 Jun 2018 11:07:58
You are bringing up Seguin 2nd overall and Hamilton 9th overall? I think you take a chance on Doughty.
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11 Jun 2018 11:55:00
Carolina:
Garret Sparks
Kasperi Kapanen
1st in 2018
Leafs:
Noah Hanifin
Buffalo:
Ryan O'Reilly
Rasmus Ristolainen
Leafs:
William Nylander
Connor Carrick
1st in 2018
1st in 2019
Calgary:
Ryan O'Reilly
Leafs:
Dougie Hamilton
Sign John Tavares
Are these fair Value ??
I know this is a pipe dream but i think this would solve all the teams involved in these trades.
Some of these are others people trade ideas but i thought were good ideas.
What do we think??
1.) 11 Jun 2018 13:38:36
sorry 1st in 2020 in the Buffalo trade not 2018.
03 Jul 2017 02:17:44
i love the Marleau deal remember leafs will clear 21 million next year.
Joffrey Lupul 5,250,000
James van Riemsdyk 4,250,000
Tyler Bozak 4,200,000
Leo Komarov 2,950,000
Eric Fehr 2,000,000
Ben Smith 650,000
Tim Gleason 1,333,333
Jared Cowen 750,000
with Leo and JVR possibility of coming back
1.) 03 Jul 2017 18:54:04
Add to that, Marincin (1.25M), and maybe Marchenko (1.45M), and probably Lindberg, Valiev, and Rychel will go in trades for picks (about 5M give or take) .
None of them will stay on the roster or make the Leafs with the others that will be coming in (Korshkov, Grundstrom, Brooks is here, Liljegren, Dermott, Neilsen, the Borg, Bracco, Johnsson and so on; are all right now, or will be, better than those 5). The 3rd pair LHD will probably go to Rosen at some point during the season.
Actually, in fairness to Rychel; he should ask for a trade to Vegas or Colorado, just to get him some real minutes in the NHL.
2.) 04 Jul 2017 11:22:24
To the above, don't forget Gleason and Cowans, come off dead money account for $2 MM.
Rychal+ Fehr+ Marincin to Vegas for Miller. Vegas requires forwards and an enforcer
Komorov + Carrick for Demers. Panthers require a gritty forward at a reasonable cost plus another low cost Defenseman. Throw in a draft pick to close the deal.
These two trades are a benefit salary wise for the Leafs in reality reducing the 2017/ 18 NHL salaries by $1.1 MM and allow Hainey and Miller to play the 3rd line of defense,
3.) 19 Jul 2017 16:46:28
I'm in agreement with everyone here although I wouldn't entirely rule out Rychel. I have a feeling he may still yet make the Leafs in a bottom six role. A lot will depend on who stays, and who goes, what positions are available during camp.
03 Jul 2017 01:59:05
I think the leafs will try and sign JVR if he is willing to take a 5.5 to 6 million they will keep him. if not shipped out at trade deadline. what everyone think??
1.) 03 Jul 2017 19:06:11
I think they wouldn't have made a move for Marleau if they weren't considering moving JVR or Bozak.
Remember that Marleau has played center before. I think all 3 of Bozak, Leo, and JVR could go before the deadline without that much loss to the lineup.
2.) 19 Jul 2017 16:49:09
I think JVR's days as a Leaf are nearing an end. Curious whether Toronto will keep him until the trade deadline and make a decision then? They could decide then, depending on whether they are in playoff position, whether to keep or trade him.
26 Jun 2016 21:42:34
Players I think Leafs need to find a new home for are Bernier Lupal Robidas and Bozak total cap hit 16.6 M with these 4 players. To sign Stamkos you would need to trade at lease 3 of the 4 players mention. Where or what for not sure. Bozak would the easiest I would think Lupal could be a buyout. What you think?
1.) 28 Jun 2016 03:12:50
Agreed, but not just to sign Stamkos. It's just flat out time for all the dead weight to go, including older vets.
Lupul_______ 5.25M
Bernier_____ 4.15M
Robidas_____ 3.00M
Bozak_______ 4.20M
Laich_______ 4.50M
Michalek____ 4.00M
Horton______ 5.30M
Kessel______ 1.20M
Gleason_____ 1.33M
Greening____ 2.65M
Hunwick_____ 1.20M
JVR_________ 4.25M
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Dead Wt. 41.00M Killing/Stalling the rebuild. Over half the damm cap. (some round off)
Most of this happens by next year or the year after by default anyway, but it goes to show you what bad management leaves behind for the next guys. Not including PhatDog, Princess Pylon, and more.
Michalek and Laich are from this management, but only for 1 year so not so bad. Trade the useful ones. Get a buyer for the LTIR's if possible.
Sign Stamkos? Only if he clears his medical issues.
Tell me something! Can these overpaid gurney warmers at least do something for their money? Sell popcorn, help train the newbies, learn to coach, anything!
Don't we all wish we had contracts like that!
2.) 28 Jun 2016 15:21:50
I'm not sure why you have JVR and Hunwick on the list
3.) 28 Jun 2016 22:11:30
Hunwick is 31 and it's time to go.
JVR could actually stay, and I added him at the end simply because he's the piece that will get us the 3/4 RH Dman we really need. He will be traded by the 2018 trade deadline anyway.
In all, the dead weight needs to go along with most anyone else that was a prominent part of 2013-2105. That could as well include Gardiner. Kadri, Rielly, and other's were too young.
12 Jun 2016 17:29:46
Toronto will not trade the first over all pick however if the trade was to go down with Arizona it would start with OEL. Which Arizona won't trade so stop this trade talk.
1.) 13 Jun 2016 01:39:01
Gretzky got traded. Lindros got traded. Arizona wants this kid.
Why else do you think Maloney got fired. He built the Yotes to date, and they are on the verge of dominating when these kids come through.
On the other hand:
Owners love stars; the return for them is much greater than their salary. Some owners don't care about winning as long the money is rolling in.
A home grown star - even better local proceeds.
The Leafs wouldn't actually want a 1 for 8 deal. How would you pay that increase in contracts. So, if this deal goes down, it will take Leaf prospects back in return and a balance in salaries.
But can it be done? Absolutely!
Should it be done? Debatable!
My opinion is split.
A volume deal at this point of the Leaf rebuild would actually move it ahead by a year.
No deal made with the Yotes; helps to refine the quality of the collection.
Matthews is like a prize thoroughbred. With him you can win the big race.
With the volume deal, you can win more money a lot faster, but you won't win the big race, no matter how many entries you have (unless you have them all).
And that's what the objective is. The cup. Without him, slim chance. With him, much better chance.
There is one play with the volume deal and that is to tank one more year, hope you luck out and get a thoroughbred (Sorry franchise or generational player.
And sometimes you get a thoroughbred from the plow field.
01 Jul 2018 18:52:02
Great news.
28 Jun 2018 11:15:56
This can't be the real Brian Burke all these trades favour the leafs.
14 Jun 2018 11:09:19
Not sure Keith is a good fit for that price. He is 34 signed for another 5 years.
14 Jun 2018 11:04:26
I agree with LeafsGM and Hugh Allan i think there is a better deal then Tanev out there. If not let's keep what we have and stay the course.
11 Jun 2018 14:24:05
Sorry trade Jake Gardiner Matt Martin for picks.
11 Jun 2018 13:38:36
sorry 1st in 2020 in the Buffalo trade not 2018.
26 Jun 2016 23:39:44
Last time I checked you needed 4 centers and I think Bozak would get traded first