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11 Jun 2018 13:39:38
Carolina:
Garret Sparks
Kasperi Kapanen
1st in 2018

Leafs:
Noah Hanifin


Buffalo:
Ryan O'Reilly
Rasmus Ristolainen


Leafs:
William Nylander
Connor Carrick
1st in 2019
1st in 2020

Calgary:
Ryan O'Reilly

Leafs:
Dougie Hamilton


Sign John Tavares

Are these fair Value ??

I know this is a pipe dream but i think this would solve all the teams involved in these trades.
Some of these are others people trade ideas but i thought were good ideas.

What do we think??

duggerhud

1.) 11 Jun 2018 14:06:36
Zach Hyman Auston Matthews Mitch Marner

Patrick Marleau John Tavares Andreas Johnsson

Josh Leivo Nazem Kadri Connor Brown

Carl Grundstrom Par Lindholm Miro Aaltonen


Morgan Rielly Dougie Hamilton

Travis Dermott Rasmus Ristolainen

Noah Hanifin Nikita Zaitsev

Frederik Andersen Calvin Pickard.


2.) 11 Jun 2018 14:24:05
Sorry trade Jake Gardiner Matt Martin for picks.


3.) 11 Jun 2018 16:47:04
You just traded away our first round picks for the next three years.

The defense is much improved, but looks like an overkill. Each of those lines can practically be a top line.

The offense looks weaker, even with the addition of Tavares. You kinda killed our offensive depth to stack the blue line. I think you need a little more balance.


4.) 11 Jun 2018 16:55:34
That fourth line in particular is all rookies and would make me nervous as a coach. Including Lievo, who wasn’t even good enough to make the team last year, on the third line, just goes to show that you have virtually eliminated all our depth.


5.) 12 Jun 2018 00:39:34
I love that d corps.
You could have 12 mvp’s upfront and leafsgm would still find fault in it. Lol🤪.


6.) 12 Jun 2018 03:52:38
Carolina would be more than foolish to do this. That said they made Don Waddell their GM and he has not been known in the past for his astute dealing.


7.) 12 Jun 2018 06:21:03
Actually Hacksaw, I commended you on one of your trade proposals below. The Montour trade. I thought it was a good one. For some reason the administrator didn’t upload it.


8.) 13 Jun 2018 12:37:25
I don’t think we need 3 elite defensmen, only one on the right side to play with Rielly.


 

 

05 Jun 2018 15:30:33
Kings

Drew Doughty


Leafs

William Nylander
2018 1st
2019 1st

Sign Doughty

10 mill for 6 years

I think this year the leafs pick 25th and next year will be around the same.

I looked at all the other teams and most of the good team have 4 or 5 guys that get paid big money but 1 guy out of the 4 or 5 is elite d-man. Is this enough for Drew?? or too much?

duggerhud

1.) 05 Jun 2018 17:08:19
I think what you are offering is pretty close. Both in terms of trade value, and the contract you suggest, though likely is going to be a maximum term contract (8 years) .

If Leafs could pull the trigger on a trade like this, they should move on it. Waiting for Doughty to hit the open market could be a costly mistake. Is better to lock him up if they have the chance. It costs a lot in terms of trade value, but we are talking about one of the best (if not the best) defensemen in the world.

I guess this trade would all depend on how LA sees themselves come deadline time. Are they possible contenders, or are they going to need to start a rebuild? If they decide they are no longer contenders, moving Doughty is the most logical choice, as it would bring back a good number of premium assets and free up the most cap space.

Karlsson is available as well. Should Leafs fail to be able to land Doughty, Karlsson May be a second option. Though I would much prefer Doughty.


2.) 05 Jun 2018 17:59:02
The only issue would the 2 late 1st be enough?

I Agree it would have to be 8 years

I just hate 7 or 8 year contracts.


3.) 05 Jun 2018 18:24:58
How about sweetening it a bit:

Leafs trade Gardiner
NJ trades 1st

Then:

Leafs trade Nylander, 2x1st (2018), 1st (2019)
LA trades Doughty.


4.) 05 Jun 2018 23:00:24
Are you joking!?

Don’t get me wrong, Doughty is arguably the best the defenseman in the league right now. He’d also be 37 when your contract ends and won’t be worth that 10 mill cap hit for the last half of his contract.

Gardiner is no Doughty but he is worth more than a single mid round 1st.

The amount of assets you are giving up is a massive gamble. In the moment, 2x1st and Nylander would be a fair deal. It would seem extremely lopsided in 4 years if Nylander evolves into a 1C and one of those picks turns into a quality NHL player while Doughty is 33 and on a strong decline. When Toronto squired Kessel, it was at market value and a fair trade, at the time. As soon as I tell you we traded Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel the picture changes. 3x1st (with the one you added being the highest) and Nylander is an overpayment.

The leafs brass has said REPEATEDLY - we are not trading our future for a shot today. They want to build a franchise. This trade is against everything the shanaplan has promised.


5.) 06 Jun 2018 03:13:02
Good points SmileyReilly.

Athletes these days play a long time. Lidstrom, Chelios, Chara, just to name a few, were easily still going strong into their 40’s. I imagine Doughty will be too. But that doesn’t mean we should mortgage our future for him. If he hits the open market and we can land him, fair enough. But I don’t really like the thought of trading 3x1st, and a top line winger with the potential to be a stud 2nd line center.

When you bring up the whole Seguin/ Hamilton thing, it really puts things into perspective.


6.) 06 Jun 2018 11:07:58
You are bringing up Seguin 2nd overall and Hamilton 9th overall? I think you take a chance on Doughty.


 

 

31 May 2018 18:30:29
Toronto:
Kasperi Kapanen
Jeremy Bracco
Calvin Pickard


Carolina

Noah Hanifin
3rd rounder

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26 Apr 2018 11:18:09
I agree with most of you the Gardiner experiment needs to be over. Now the question is what do with him.

I'm sure every other team see what we see.

Tor
Gardiner

Arizona
Hjalmarsson

Both entering the last year of their contracts. Jake is slightly younger and i think his lack of defense might not be so noticeable in Arizona.

duggerhud

1.) 26 Apr 2018 12:25:32
Duggerhud

Every team will see what we see in Gardiner but the difference is some teams can put him with guys that can cover his mistakes. The leaf defence overall is too weak. Reilly zaitsev Gardiner are riverboat gamblers. Polak third pairing guy and Hainsey you can't kill with minutes.

We need more Dermotts I think Liljegren and Holl are similar to Dermott. Resign polak one more year he doesn't hurt you.

Reilly. We need someone sound
Dermott zaitsev
Hainsey Holl

Forwards gone

JVR
Bozak
Komarov

Incoming

Grundstrom
Aantonon
2 free agent skilled strong defensive guys

This loss doesn't hurt at all because now we see how close this team is

Mathews no worries
Marner is kucherov
Nylander all is forgiven
Kapanan great future steal puck he is gone
Johnson same as Kapanan
Brown put him anywhere
Hyman no problem there
Grundstrom will be great
Aantonen try him as 4 th center
Marleau great
Kadri great center great contract

This team is build to dominate for a hell of a long time

Off season will be great Lou and Babcock know what's missing.


2.) 26 Apr 2018 18:01:56
Holy cow . Gardiner was a little cup cake out there .

Can I give you an analogy?

If there is a child at a restaurant, 4 years old, keeps throwing his Cheerios at you .

Do you yell at the kid or speak to the parents?

Babcock has Gards on the ice for 13:00 minutes in the last 17:00 minutes . why? Why babs?


 

 

23 Apr 2018 11:36:22
A trade i find interesting and been posted on here a few times is

Hamilton for Nylander

This trade would help both teams

Next move would be try and sign Tavares if we could get him on a 10 mil contract plus meet my endorsement friends it could happen

We would have the best 3 centers in the league

Hyman Matthews kapanen

Marleau Tavares Marner

Grundstrom Kadri johnsson

Leivo Aaltonen ???


Rielly Hamilton

Gardiner Zaitsev

Dermott Hainsey

Extras: Holl Borgman Martin

I didn't include players with no contracts for next year. I know it won't happen but it looks good

Players coming soon:

Liljegren
Bracco
Rasanen
Timashov
Sparks

duggerhud

1.) 23 Apr 2018 15:16:45
Calgary might do it. Nylander frustrates the hell out of me but I really don't like reaping first round draft pics like 8 th overall. Hamilton might be worth it though under control for the next 4 seasons at 5.75 million. That top pairing right shot guy is a big hole leafs must fill

Torn on this trade.


2.) 23 Apr 2018 16:03:43
I’m on Mackin’s side on this one. Nylander is a very good player, and I would expect that would be the price Calgary would be asking for Hamilton. By the time Hamilton’s contract expires, Liljegren should be more than ready for top RHD. Nylander is a tough loss, but we have quite a few very talented up and coming wingers who can take his position. Kapanen may even be ready for top line duties next year sometime, with johnsson only a step behind him.

I still hold the opinion Leafs should pass on Tavares, and use the money it would cost for him to pursue an all-star defenseman instead.


3.) 23 Apr 2018 18:36:01
LeafsGM

This is the greatest off season leafs have ever had. What do they offer nylander if he still here and what age are you so I figure out how many years of leaf pain u have seen I'm 56. Never seen a team leafs like this.


4.) 23 Apr 2018 19:08:19
I agree an all-star defensemen is what we need, but i don't think it would be easy to get one. That's why Hamilton or Ristolainen from Buffalo might be as close as we can on all-star d-man. Nylander is the only chip we have to get either.


5.) 24 Apr 2018 00:54:50
Zaitsev and Reilly together =. Disaster
Leafs need to cash in. Bruins dominated last 5 min.


6.) 24 Apr 2018 01:31:19
Who wouldn’t love an all-star defenseman?
No matter how I look at it, Leafs defense leaves something to be desired. Gardiner’s departure only weakens us. Dermott and Liljegren aren’t going to be ready after next season. We sorely need to fill that top RHD. Hainsey has been a workhorse for us. But he is far from all-star. None of Leafs defensemen are, and probably never will be.


7.) 24 Apr 2018 01:54:48
In no way do you give buffalo nylander. Maybe if you swap firsts in that deal.


8.) 24 Apr 2018 04:40:08
At first glance, Ristolainens size immediately grabs your attention. This man is massive. And he is not afraid to use his size to his advantage either. He registers over 200 hits, and over 100 blocked shots. His 6 goals and 41 points this year suggest there is some real ability to contribute offensively as well. He is signed for another four years at $5.4M, which seems like a very reasonable price to be paying for someone of Ristolainen’s caliber. There is little doubt that if we were to add Ristolainen to our defense, he would probably become our franchise defenseman, even over Rielly.


9.) 24 Apr 2018 11:14:46
I think to get Ristolainen Buffalo would want picks and prospects. I don't think a Nylander straight up for him is in the best interest for the leafs.


 

 

 

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14 Jun 2018 11:09:19
Not sure Keith is a good fit for that price. He is 34 signed for another 5 years.

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14 Jun 2018 11:04:26
I agree with LeafsGM and Hugh Allan i think there is a better deal then Tanev out there. If not let's keep what we have and stay the course.

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11 Jun 2018 14:24:05
Sorry trade Jake Gardiner Matt Martin for picks.

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11 Jun 2018 14:06:36
Zach Hyman Auston Matthews Mitch Marner

Patrick Marleau John Tavares Andreas Johnsson

Josh Leivo Nazem Kadri Connor Brown

Carl Grundstrom Par Lindholm Miro Aaltonen


Morgan Rielly Dougie Hamilton

Travis Dermott Rasmus Ristolainen

Noah Hanifin Nikita Zaitsev

Frederik Andersen Calvin Pickard.

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07 Jun 2018 18:19:54
Then flip O'Reilly to Calgary for Hamilton?

With picks prospects going either way?

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