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10 Jun 2018 00:33:40
Flyers aquire Kadri, Gardiner and 2018 2nd (SJS)

Leafs aquire Couturier and 2018 1st (STL 14 OA)

Couturier is better, younger and cheaper than Kadri. He also brings a similar style of play with less controversy. Leafs would have to add on that trade.

Flyers have two 1st round picks and this trade would improve their team now without giving up too much of their future.

Leafs would then have the 14OA and 25OA. Could trade up to ~10OA, use them aquire a top 4 d or just draft.

I personally believe leafs are giving up too much in this trade but most people don't value Gardiner as much as I do.


1.) 10 Jun 2018 01:28:50
This trade is awful for Philly. Couturier is waaaaay better than Kadri. He's an actual Selke candidate and will keep growing his offensive game. I value Gardiner but he's a UFA at the end of the year and you're asking for the 14th overall aswell. There's no way they accept this.

2.) 10 Jun 2018 03:02:52
With the exception of Blizzard, most people on this site, yourself include SmileyReilly, value Gardiner for a 1st, whichever leaves the remainder of the trade Kadri and a 2nd for Coururier, which probably isn’t enough for Philly to make this trade. As you said, Couturier is younger, better, and cheaper. I think you were closer to home when you said Leafs need to add, as opposed to when you said Leafs are giving up too much (which, incidentally, contradicts yourself) .

3.) 11 Jun 2018 01:27:14
To the rest of the league gardiner put up 52 points first manned a top 10 power play (may have been top 5 in just not bothered to check) and was an outstanding second to rielly. He’s worth a 3 piece 1st prospect/ young guy and replacement that would look something like this

Vancouver: 1st 2019 (lottery protected) Ben Hutton kole Lind

So I believe this trade is not unbalanced at all and could even go as far to say the leafs are losing more.

4.) 11 Jun 2018 02:36:29
IMHO Couturier is much better tHan Kadri (2nd only to Bergeron as the best 2way center in the league) .
Also why would the Flyers need Gardner with so many good, young, upcoming defenseman in their prospect pool.
Not sure I can see how this makes the Flyers a better team an important criteria for any trad.

5.) 11 Jun 2018 13:03:48
I’m not saying it’s what they need I’m just saying it’s not an unfair value for philly personally I would do the trade if I were philly you get an offensive dynamo defenseman a solid replacement in kadri to center the second line and let giroux be the number 1 again couturier may have had a career year last year and won’t ever match it.



05 Mar 2018 02:34:22
Summer trades:

Leafs aquire : Kaprizov, 2019 1st
Minnesota aquires : Gardiner, 2019 4th

Leafs aquire : Vanek
Vancouver aquires : Carrick, 2019 1st (Van)

Leafs aquire : Theodore
Knights aquire : Rosen, Bracco, 2019 3rd

With Gardiner showing consistency with his point totals he would be coveted by many teams. 1st and an A prospect is a good return.

I don't think the second trade requires any explanation.

Theodore isn't likely to be traded but the thought of rejoining Holm and Rosen as well as stocking the cupboards might do it.


1.) 05 Mar 2018 03:53:10
Vegas isn't trading Theodore, he's apart of their bright future. Rosen is just terrible, can't defend, can't make fast decisions and too many turnovers.

2.) 05 Mar 2018 04:39:02
I also smoked one too many as the Vancouver trade was supposed to read Tanev.

3.) 05 Mar 2018 05:34:09
Sorry not nearly enough for gardiner: i’d Think the leafs would want slightly lesser value than the McDonagh deal (subtract Namestnikov) a 1st,4th and two a level prospects

It would cost more than that to get a Theodore deal done much more.

4.) 05 Mar 2018 16:44:25
I don’t agree with the comparison to Mcdonagh. Mcdonagh is a true two way defender who puts up points similar to Gardiner while also being near elite defensively. Gardiner is too one dimension to get that sort of return. Even if we traded him at the deadline with a year left on his cap friendly contract, like Mcdonagh.

5.) 05 Mar 2018 18:23:38
I’m not so convinced the Leafs will trade Gardiner. He’s having another good season. The biggest knock against him is that he coughs up the puck too much, but in this category he is comparable to Doughty, Carlson, Subban, and Burns, just to name a few. He’s on the ice for more goals for than against. And he is a fast, pick moving defenseman. This deadline shows that Leafs are not adverse to holding onto their free agents instead of trading them. If Gardiner has another good year next year, and Leafs haven’t brought anyone else in, he might just finish his contract as a Leaf.

6.) 05 Mar 2018 20:42:32
I’m not sure what will happen either. We will have another JVR scenario on our hands as he is due a good raise next summer. We have youth coming up and I think Dermott will be a good replacement for Gardiner with time.

Doughty, Burns and Subban are on another level than Gardiner. Carlson and Burns are the closest comparison as far as being one dimensional but both have as many points in 60-65 GP as Gardiner will have at seasons end. Gardiner is great.

He’s not elite like you are proposing.

7.) 05 Mar 2018 22:03:59
I’m not saying he’s elite. Where did I say that? You’re putting words into my mouth. All I said was that he’s doing really well, and it’s quite possible the Leafs don’t trade him.

8.) 06 Mar 2018 01:28:04
You compared him to three elite dmen. Like probably 3 of the top 5 dmen in the world. That strongly insinuates that you believe him to be elite.

9.) 06 Mar 2018 13:09:44
You are twisting my words. I made a comparison in one single category. That’s a far cry from calling him elite. The knocks against Gardiner are still many. He doesn’t hit, he can’t take a hit, he can’t fight, he coughs up the puck to much, he thinks he’s a forward, he’s significantly lower in TOI than others. I never once suggested he was elite. He has, however, very quietly turned into a very good player. He is easily the most improved player under Babcock. And even doing a broad statistical comparison, Gardiner’s numbers put him in the top 15 defensemen. In many cases, his numbers are comparable to and even better than guys like Burns, Doughty, Karlsson. So yeah, even though it’s unlikely Gardiner will be nominated for a Norris trophy any time soon, he still has less give aways than Burns, and his +/ - is still far better than Karlsson’s, and his point totals are just as good as Doughty.

10.) 06 Mar 2018 14:48:56
Leafs GM

Gardiner is not top 15 D in the league

I would say maybe top 60 .

And that’s simply because of his offensive ability (everyone has strengths and weaknesses)

I would say if you are ranking D men based on skating ability and defensive prowess, I wouldn’t put him in the top 100

Thank you, come again.

11.) 06 Mar 2018 19:13:21
What numbers are you referring to when you say he’s top 15?

His point total puts him there. What else.?

Gardiner plays a tonne on the power play and is still only +6. Doughty is +18 while having secondary duties on the PK. That’s probably because Doughty is on another level than Gardiner and keeps the puck out of his net when he’s on the ice at 5v5.

You need to stop comparing him to these guys and find people more comparable. Yandle, Myers, and Miller are guys who are closer to Gardiners ilk. Not Doughty, Karlsson or Burns. SMH.

12.) 06 Mar 2018 22:44:22
Trade Gardiner!

13.) 06 Mar 2018 23:35:32

Here are some comparable players to Gardiner (not in style of play, but overall value. there are a million different ways to value these guys) :

D. Schlemko
J. Dotchman
M. Kempny
C. Ruhwedel

There are a couple of guys in my sons team who are comparable . there is this one kid, Leoni, he’s 17 and plays guys into the boards, plays the pass on a 2-on-1 . basic stuff that you learn in your first year as a D man

Maybe Gards will figure it out before he retires . not sure how he made the NHL as a D man . not sure why some of you talk about him like a top 6 D . maybe a number 7 on a really bad defensive team

I heard his dad still comes in the dressing room and toes his skates .

14.) 07 Mar 2018 00:34:13
You know, I really don’t think you give Gard’s enough credit. Maybe I’m pushing the envelope and trying to give the guy more credit than he deserves, it’s true, but really, he’s not that bad. The last two seasons he’s really turned it around and has developed into a top 4 defenseman (on any team), and may just be the best defenseman on the Leafs. Ask yourself, what would you expect in a trade for him? If you expect at least a 1st round pick and a prospect, then you value him a lot higher than your response would indicate.

15.) 07 Mar 2018 01:04:13
There’s no denying Gardiner is easily a top 4 on any team. I proposed we trade him for a first and a nearly guaranteed stud in Kaprizov. This kids going to light up the NHL.

16.) 07 Mar 2018 01:08:51
Trade Gardiner now while he has value, TML will never win a cup with him, he has mo defence and he should play forward.

17.) 07 Mar 2018 09:13:48
He really is bad . just watch him on ANY defensive play . Literally 8/ 10 times he looks bad . Don’t look at the stretch pass or a play when he joins he rush! We get it, he has some offensive upside . I get it!

If he was there to play that role and had a strong stay at home d partner, maybe there could be a case made for him.

18.) 07 Mar 2018 12:44:47
It's inevitable that they will trade Gardiner, if you look at when he needs a new deal it coincides with Matthews. He'll want a significant pay raise and the Leafs are developing Dermott for that 2 pairing LHD spot.



02 Feb 2018 07:00:19
Flames - Rasmus Andersen, 2018 3rd
Leafs - Calvan Pickard and Nikita Soshnikov

Avs - 2018 1st (col), Conor Timmins
Leafs - Gardiner

NYR - Mcdonagh
Leafs - 2018 1st (tor), Nielson, Bracco


1.) 02 Feb 2018 12:20:58
SmileyRiely, Mcdonagh would definitely without question be an instant upgrade, but at his age and the amount of money he will want moving forward? Trading for him I wouldn't object to, and Toronto's 1st rd pick will probably be a in the low to mid-20s; still good though, I think a first and Leivo to the Rangers would suffice?

2.) 02 Feb 2018 14:28:16
I don't think Avs will part with Timmins or Makar. Too much for McDonagh, he would easily be a top 4 but in order to afford him we wouldn't have Bozak, JVR, or Leo which means we would need to keep guys like Neilson and Bracco to move up into the lineup eventually.

3.) 02 Feb 2018 18:50:59
The avalanche trade isn't happening. But the other 2 aren't out of the realm of possibility.

Finally some trades that don't involve spare AHL'ers for OEL.

4.) 02 Feb 2018 23:10:14
Avalanche are on verge of being powerhouse add to what they have already they have their first two seconds two thirds in 2018 draft

Then next year they have Ottawa first rounder 2019 not protected and Ottawa sucks worse next year.

Avalange are not trading any young players in their system . Maker has great promise.

5.) 03 Feb 2018 07:13:07
Mcdonagh is 28, in his prime and has a lot of great hockey in him. If Gardiner went - their caps would essentially cancel out. Their contracts also expire at the same time so we’d be in the same situation with Gardiner as we would Mcdonagh as both players are due decent raises. If the leafs don't offer a first, a good prospect + someone else will. We can afford to lose Bracco. Nielsen is a gamble but we have other young D talent who are either better or have higher ceilings.

I agree that I may have over valued Gardiner, send a pick back the other way. Avs are in a funny spot. Have a cupboard rich with picks and prospects but also with the potential to make playoffs. Avs have two A talent D prospects so they might be willing to trade one for talent now.

6.) 05 Feb 2018 14:05:06
Only deal I like is the one for Timmins; but that could only happen if the Av's are in a playoff spot at the deadline. 4 teams are separated by 1 point for the last playoff spot; and the competition is fierce.

The Av's are weak on the LHS, so maybe; but it depends on where they are at the deadline. If they are out of it; they will start a tank.



24 Jan 2018 22:48:19
Leafs trade: Gardiner, Liljegren and a 1st

Florida: Ekblad (3 mill retained until end of next season).

Obviously I know that Ekblad is untouchable but I think this would be fair value going both ways. The retention is to minimize the extra cap until Gardiners contract expires and he gets a raise.

Rielly - Ekblad
Hainsey - Zaitsev
Dermott - Carrick (Borgman)

Hell of a first pairing and Babs loves Hainsey - Zaitsev as a shutdown/ PK pairing. We have a lot of defensive talent in the marlies right now so liljegren is expendable. Even though I do like where he's going.


1.) 25 Jan 2018 00:58:38
I think if you retain salary its the duration of the contract.

2.) 25 Jan 2018 01:52:56
Money retained has to be for the life of the contract.

3.) 25 Jan 2018 02:58:43
A joke right? Right? .

Must be a friend of David Mackin.



26 Dec 2017 22:18:49
This trade has been beat into the ground but enlight of the canucks drop in the standings i'm bringing it back.

Leafs trade: 2019 1st, Carrick, Leivo
Canucks trade: Tanev

I'd prefer to not trade Carrick but seeing as he doesn't play anyways....
Leivo out will give Kap a more ice time.


1.) 27 Dec 2017 02:35:06
Gudbranson is UFA season end and prove maybe only a second round pick. Babcock loves size at 25 he maybe able to turn his career around with leafs. It's a inexpensive gamble if you are Toronto.

2.) 30 Dec 2017 22:16:14
Would rather keep the 1st and draft a Dman. Tanev is a sound Dman not an all-star Dman.




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18 Jun 2018 01:41:34
In what world does someone trade a top pairing 50 point dman and a second for a 3C. @Blizzard and @Leaf33

You guys are crazy.

Both are still imbalanced though. Toronto has to add a significant piece to Calgary trade.

Carolina trade is way off. Toronto would have to add a lot to the crap you’re offering.




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14 Jun 2018 21:11:17
Any trade that involves Matthews is absurd.

I didn’t even read past that.




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14 Jun 2018 07:57:03
Just so we’re clear - Tanev is an elite defensive defence man. He makes smart plays, blocks shots, has a good stick and has elite vision. Look as his stats compared to his teams. Yes, he’s had problems with injuries. A lot of different injuries, none have which have been serious. Most are even induced by taking blocks and not allowing anything past time. Anyone see him the puck to the face mid season last year? Leafs have the best medical care in the league. I’d take him at this price even if only for 60 games to stay healthy for playoffs.

Everybody whines about wanting a 1RHD and this guy gets you one on a good contract without sacrificing the entire farm. I love Kapanen, he is a great player. I just think the leafs will have a much easier time filling in a winger than they would a dman.




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14 Jun 2018 03:00:36

This is just terrible.

Why have so many people already forgot the Shanaplan?

It’s as if you want us to lose.

Gardiner = Ristolainen
Brown > Girgensons
Kapanen > Nylander
Than we give them Lil, 1st, 2nd and whatever value JVR still holds in exchange for Moulsons atrocious contract.




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14 Jun 2018 02:42:12
Hear hear.





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