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20 Aug 2018 19:20:13
To Columbus:
Eamon McAdam, Gardiner, Bracco, Borgman, 2020 2nd
To Leafs:
Panarin

Ok, so I think that you all know this trade is obviously something I want to do now before another team like Nashville or Tampa offers up something better before we make an offer, do it now Dubas!!!!!

Now since we are trading away Gardiner, I think we need to trade for 2 quality RD, one with 1 or 2 years left so they can be replaced by Liljgren, and one with 4+ years left so they can help cover for the offensive Reilly
Montour obviously comes to mind, and so does Pesce, however this would mean we would have to trade Zaitsev as well, and honestly with his contract I would have no problem with it even if he has a bounce back year because I still feel he would be overpaid
This is what I propose
To Carolina:
Kapanen, 2019 1st, Zaitsev, Pickard (conditional 4th), Leivo, retain $500 thousand of Zaitsev's contact (with Kessel's salary retained it's still under 2 mill at 1.7 so it's ok)
To Leafs:
Pesce, Rask (to balance out incoming Zaitsev salary), 2020 2nd
Then we flip Rask to Anaheim who could then move Henrique up the lineup, plug in Rask as the third line center and trade Kessler
To Anaheim:
Rask, Sandin, Rosen, Carrick, Neilson
To Leafs:
Montour, 2019 2nd
In my opinion Montour is like the younger RHD version of Reilly, so he will cost a lot, but he signed a bridge deal with Anaheim so it looks like he doesn't want to be there long term, which means Anaheim may want to trade him now at max value for a quality early prime center to replace Kessler, a great defensive prospect they can trade or develop, and two they can probably bring in to the NHL now or very soon to replace Shene when his contract is up. When Liljgren is ready, leafs can pass Montour off for a first and some prospects, or they can deal Pesce, but Montour will likely have a bigger cap hit so they will probably deal (and get more from) Montour
Honestly if we picked Veleno in the draft I may not make that trade with Anaheim, but we didn't so now we're stuck with even more AHL defencemen
Cap space basically evens out in these trades between given away cap and cap taken in (around the 7.5-8 mill mark for both, I think we actually go down by about 100 thousand so not bad)
2018-18 Lines
Panarin/Matthews/Nylander
Marleau/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Kadri/Hyman
Grundström or Ennis/Lindholm/Brown
*Jooris, and if Grundström doesn't make lineup he stays in AHL to play and improve more, otherwise Ennis also in press box
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Montour
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Then next year
1 bye bye Marleau
To San Hose:
Marleau
To Leafs:
2020 3rd
2 Liljgren
So if he is ready for top 4, we play him there and trade 1 of Pesce or Montour (likely Montour because in the long run Pesce's cap hit will be better and he is a great RHD to play with Reilly or Dermott), this MIGHT also give us space to re-sign Panarin short term to win a few more cups
If he isn't ready for top 4 (which he likely will be) meaning he is top 6, we trade the rights to Ozhiganov if he does well, if not then we trade Holl and keep Ozhiganov as 7th d to develope him more so he can move into the top 6 role when Liljgren is bumped up
So if Liljgren is able to move into top 4
To Arizona:
Montour, 2020 1st, Horton
To Leafs:
Rights to Strome (RFA), 2020 1st (likely to be very high so will cost a lot), maybe another ok prospect or pick depending on how Strome does this year
If he isn't ready for top 4 and Ozhiganov does well
To Arizona:
Rights to Ozhiganov (RFA), Korshkov, 2020 3rd
To Leafs:
Rights to Strome (RFA), 2020 7th round pick
If we keep Montour and Horton Panarin is gone, if we don't keep them, we may acutally be able to re-sign Panarin, possibly
2019-20 Lines (2 options)
1
Panarin/Matthews/Nylander
Johnsson/Tavares/Marner
Strome/Kadri/Hyman
Grundström/FA or Lindholm/Brown
*Moore
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Liljgren
Marincin or FA/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
2
Johnsson/Matthews/Nylander
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Strome/Kadri/Brown or Grundström
Moore/Lindholm or FA/Brown or Grundström
*FA
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Montour
FA(Schmidt, to help with Liljgrens development)/Liljgren
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

themostleaf33

1.) 20 Aug 2018 19:26:41
1 Well looking at this again I didn’t realize how much I actually wrote so sorry if you get a headache
2 I forgot to add in the Panarin trade to the cap thing before the 2018-19 lines, but still it basically evens out, I think leafs actually dump a little bit of cap there.


2.) 20 Aug 2018 20:12:31
Your trying to always include Gardiner but Columbus doesn't need him. It just messes up their cap.

Bracco is the only guy in the trade that some may feel like he has potential (maybe) but it won't be next year.

So basically you've given the Jackets nothing that will help them this year. And they feel like they are good enough to make a run. And I do too.

If Panarin was this easy to snag, he would be traded already.

Think good prospects with one ready to contribute this year. Like Kapanen or Johnsson +

Trust me, this is what it will take to get a top 10 player in the league, and this is only because he'll be a FA. Or it would be more.


3.) 20 Aug 2018 20:56:00
@Jminn
After Murray’s last season, Columbus needs a new LD, Savard is awesome, but he needs a proper parteber, Murray isn’t that, anyway, if we give them Gardiner that gives them 2 options
1 if they want to re-tool they can trade Gardiner for a first
2 Murray still is just getting into his prime so he will improve and likely have a bounce back year, so if they want they can trade him and a prospect for a winger that will want to play there long term (such as Silverberg, Eaves or Kessel) to replace Panarin.


4.) 20 Aug 2018 23:48:34
Gardiner Kapanen Bracco 2019 3rd 2020 3rd
For
Panarin Murray

This could satisfy everyone in this conversation plus Toronto seems to like to trade 3rd round picks for a coach and a GM so why not for a top 10 guy.


5.) 21 Aug 2018 01:52:12
The thing is Kapanen goes to Carolina here so that doesn’t work.


6.) 21 Aug 2018 05:04:23
@jminn

How exactly does Gardiner screw up Columbus’ cap? His salary essentially replaces Panarin.


7.) 21 Aug 2018 15:43:58
They don't need him. That's the point. They are strong on defence.

If they trade Panarin, it won't be foe a UFA whose salary is destined to rise.


8.) 21 Aug 2018 20:48:23
Panarin’s salary is destined to rise, and he doesn’t want to stay in Columbus anyway
Do you want to win a cup or not?


 

 

19 Aug 2018 21:47:48
To Columbus:
Gardiner, Borgman, 2020 2nd, Eamon McAdam, Bracco
To Leafs:
Panarin, 2019 6th

To Anaheim:
Zaitsev, Carrick, Leivo, 2019 1st, Horton, Sandin, Brown
To Leafs:
Kessler, Montour, maybe a low pick

Then when Kessler gets healthy and comes off LTIR
To Winnepeg:
Kessler, 2021 3rd, Pickard (conditional 4th)
To Leafs:
Trouba
2018-19 lines
Panarin/Matthews/Nylander
Marleau/Tavares/Marner
Hyman/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Grundström
*Ennis, Jooris
Reilly/Trouba
Dermott/Montour
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Mcbakup to minors or claimed off waivers

Then after 1 year with Trouba and when Liljgren is ready
To San Jose:
Marleau
To Leafs:
2021 3rd
To Arizona:
Trouba, 2020 1st
To Leafs:
Strome, 2020 1st, 2021 3rd

2019-20 Lines
Johnsson/Matthews/Nylander
Hyman or Strome/Tavares/Marner
Strome or Hyman/Kadri/Kapanen
Moore/Lindholm or FA/Grundström
*FA
Reilly/Montour
Dermott/Liljgren
FA (Schmidt)/Holl or Ozhiganov (whoever is better, other is depth)
Anderson
Sparks
Note-Strome is likely to start on the wing this year with Arizona, so we aren't technically moving him there when he comes over

themostleaf33

1.) 20 Aug 2018 01:21:44
Columbus deal you really want so I'll give it to you. Panarin is a passing machine and could make Matthews a 50 goal man and Nylander a 30 goal man and himself a 100 point man so if Bracco and Gardiner plus pick and throwins does this then tell Kyle to get it done.

Anihiem deal works for me except that NTC Kesler has. He has already told the world his dislike to Canada and wanted out of Vancouver because he is American through and through. So if you can convince him to waive his clause to come to Toronto then to Winnipeg then you are one convincing person.

Your deals work and make sense but it all rests on Kesler waiving that clause.


2.) 20 Aug 2018 03:26:08
So you want to trade broken down old man Kessler for Trouba, then try and trade Trouba for strome? Either you think Winnipeg’s GM is complete fool, or you can’t decide how much Trouba is worth.

That Anaheim trade seems like an overpayment for Montour. I value Montour highly, but you are giving up an awful lot for a guy who is 24 years old and has only played one full season in NHL.

Trouba has more experience and points than Montour, and are probably valued about roughly the same. It seems to me that you have put a large premium on Montour.

I personally don’t like Trouba because he is greedy and prone to injury. Leafs should avoid him. Negotiating his next contract is going to be a nightmare and set bad precedent for the rest of the team. Extremely selfish, he is not a team player at all.


3.) 20 Aug 2018 05:08:08
@leafsgm
Exactly that’s why he isn’t worth a lot in the Arizona trade, we only take him for 1 year, maybe he cheers up after winning a cup, and then we trade him so we don’t have to deal with him and his behaviour, we just get him to win the cup
@Craigger12
Thank you for the complements, and I completely agree, Kessler is getting old and run down, we make that trade to Winnipeg for a few reasons though
1 It Rids Winnipeg of Trouba so they don’t have to deal with his next contract, they already have Myers and Big Buff so they don’t need him anyway
2 Winnipeg is desperate for a good center right now, if they wanted to re-sign the 32 year old Statsny, so I have a gut feeling that they would be ok with having a decent center in Kessler for a few years until they figure something else out, they have the wingers to do it, and I don’t think Little is ready to be bumped up, so it makes sense for short term.


4.) 20 Aug 2018 05:17:01
@LeafsGM, I know it seems like I’m giving a lot up for Montour, but it is also to dump so of the bad contracts we have, like Horton and Zaitsev, and even though Carrick’s, Leivo’s and Brown’s contracts are good it still gives us an extra 4+ mill in space so that's why I need to add Sandin and the first to balance it out, honestly when you look at it that way it seems balanced, or at least to me it does.


5.) 20 Aug 2018 15:47:54
I won't comment on the other parts, but no chance you get Trouba for a garbage offer like that. Kessler has a boat anchor contract and would hold no value for Winnipeg. If you want Trouba, you would need to start with something extremely valuable.


6.) 20 Aug 2018 16:31:24
It looks to me like your throwing good money after bad.


 

 

18 Aug 2018 18:54:00
So it seems like you all don't want 6 30+ goal scorers on our top two lines, that's weird, because THIS YEAR we can totally do it, so whatever, instead we just trade for a RD and Panarin, no problem
I think we all like this Panarin trade:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (replaces Murray on top 4) Borgman (young, depth defencemen), Bracco (Boom bust guy), 2020 2nd, Eamon McAdam (leafs already have enough goalies)
To Leafs:
Panarin (replaces JVR and fits under the cap for THIS YEAR only), 2019 6th (we don't have one this year)
Then we go for either Montour or Pesce, young top 4 and probable future top 2 d
To Carolina:
Kapanen, 2019 1st, Rosén, Pickard, conditional 2019 4th (Pickard off waivers), Leivo, Carrick
To Leafs:
Pesce, 2019 2nd
OR
To Anaheim:
Kapanen, 2019 1st, Neilson, Carrick, Pickard (conditional 4th), Leivo
To Leafs:
Montour, 2019 3rd
2018-19 lines
Panarin/Matthews/Nylander
Marleau/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Kadri/Hyman
Ennis/Lindholm/Brown
*Jooris
Reilly/Pesce or Montour
Dermott/Zaitsev
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl, bring up Liljgren half way through the year if he is doing well and Ozhiganov is struggling
Next year we trade Marleau back to San Jose and only if he wants to, we sign Panarin long term and trade Zaitsev if he doesn't we let him go to FA
2019-20 lines
Panarin(if re-signed, if not it's Hyman)/Matthews/Nylander
Johnsson/Tavares/Marner
Hyman (or FA)/Kadri/Grundström
Moore/FA or Lindholm/Brown
Reilly/Montour or Pesce
Dermott/Liljgren
Marincin or FA (Schmidt)/Ozhiganov or Zaitsev (if Panarin not re-signed and if Ozhiganov does well
Anderson
Sparks

themostleaf33

1.) 18 Aug 2018 20:14:33
Matthews 40 Reilly 14
Taveras 37 Gardiner 13
Nylander 28 Zeitsev 8
Kadri 27 Dermott 8
Marleau 26 Hainsey 6
Marner 25 Carrick 5
Hyman 22 Other D 7
Brown 18
Kapanen 15
Johnsson 13
Other F 18

That's 330 goals. could be high balling some could be low balling other but this overall number could be close. Matthews and Taveras have chance at 90 points each

Matthews 48 Reilly 14
Taveras 36 Dermott 10
Nylander 32 Pesce/ Montour 10
Marleau 29 Zeitsev 8
Kadri 27 Hainsey 5
Panarin. 27 Ozhiganov 4
Marner 25 Other D 4
Johnsson 17
Brown 15
Hyman 14
Other F 16

That's 341 so in theory your team would score more. Panarin Matthews and Taveras have chance at 100 points each. If these deals can be had then I'm for it.


2.) 18 Aug 2018 22:26:28
Yes but, Imagine we put in Rask and Zaitsev to the Carolina trade and take Carrick and the 2019 2nd out, Kadri could play 2nd line center and Matthews could move to the wing
Yes I know he is a center, but with a line of Marner, Matthews and Tavares, I don’t think it matters where any of them play, you could put Marner at center for all I care, points would be like this
Matthews 45-50G, 55-60A
Tavares 40-45G, 55-60A
Marner 30-35G, 45-50A
1st line minimum 270 points, max 300
Panarin 40-45G, 30-35A
Kadri 30-35G, 30-35A
Nylander 30-35G, 30-35A
2nd line minimum 190 points, max 220
Marleau 20-25G, 20-25A
Rask 20-25G, 25-30A
Hyman 15-20G, 15-20A
3rd line minimum 115 points max 145
Johnsson 10-15G, 10-15A
Lindholm 5-10G, 5-10A
Brown 10-15G, 5-10A
4th line minimum 45 points, max 75
*this includes playoffs
Reilly 10-15G, 35-40A
Pesce 5-10G, 25-30A
Dermott 5-10G, 20-25A
Ozhiganov 0-5G, 10-15A
Hainsey 0-5G, 10-15A
Carrick 0-5G, 10-15A
Anderson 0-5A
Sparks 1 assist
Defence and goalie minimum 131 points, max 186
Minimum points (if everything falls off the rails, just kidding it’s stoll insane) - 751
Maximum points (if leafs exceed expectations, although this is a bit extreme ) - 926
LIKE WTF, that is an average of over 9-12 points per game, even if it is 3 points on every goal, that is still insane, 3-4 goals per game
We could also even use our 2021 first and trade that for a better RHD if Ozhiganov doesn’t do well, and still have space to do it, WTF.


3.) 18 Aug 2018 23:12:20
@Craigger

I really like the way you added up the goal scoring potential here. Over 300 goals either way you look at it is enormous and would have easily led the league last year by a wide margin.

You really put things into perspective here with just how much offensive potential this team has. Expectations are high. And even if you overcounted a little bit, you can drop 40 goals off your totals here and would still be more than league leaders Tampa had last year.

Go leafs.


4.) 19 Aug 2018 00:31:38
Thanks, I try hard not to over produce with some of the wingers. I'm a huge Leaf fan so odviously my totals are a little out there since injuries and slumps happen. All in all I'm confident with team offensively. defensively I see them giving up close to 220 as it will be a speedy offence first style. Once they meet bigger defensive teams the offensive arrogance this team has will be put to the test and could start a bit of mind games betweenness the offensive guys and Babs. Get use to 4-3 scores everyone.

The team will start first 35 games with 48points. I see a losing streak happen say Christmas time as always followed by a .500 stretch after that losing streak. Then a good 10 game win streak after Valentine's Day will get team to a 70 points after 62 games. Then a .667 winning % rest of way after deadline deals are made gets this team to 110 pts.

That's my prediction for points and 2 major injuries will plague team but not destroy them. Go Leafs Go.


 

 

17 Aug 2018 18:13:26
I think the only quality centers in the league right now that may get traded are Kessler and Rask, and Kessler is hurt, so if Leafs want to upgrade their center Rask is the guy they go after
He is a third line Center, but next year Carolina is likely going to bring up Necas and move Aho to center, They already have Staal so I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of Rask to clear some cap space so they aren't paying him 4 mill to be their fourth line Center
Since they are interred in Kapanen and leafs are shopping Leivo and Pickard I propose this, we trade for Pesce and Rask now, then Panarin on September 13th (that was the deadline he gave to Columbus)
To Carolina:
Kapanen (with extension), 2019 1st, Zaitsev (to replace Pesce), Pickard, Leivo, conditional 4th if Pickard is claimed off waivers, retain $500 thousand of Zaitsev's contract
To Leafs:
Pesce, Rask, 2019 2nd

Then:
To Columbus:
Gardiner, Bracco, Borgman, 2020 2nd, Eamon McAdam (from the Martin trade)
To Leafs:
Panarin, 2019 6th
Or we could give Gardiner a 2 year extension and send them only him and McAdam for Panarin and the 6th, I'm fine with both
With Rask in the cold, we can bump Kadri up to 2c and move Matthews to the wing to play with Tavares and Marner, I know Matthews is a center, but just imagine that first line, it would be better then a Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchnad line, and we could 100% do it with a guy like Panarin
Lines
Matthews/Tavares/Marner
Panarin/Kadri/Nylander
Marleau/Rask/Hyman
Johnsson/Lindholm/Brown
*Ennis, Jooris
That offence is f**king stacked
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Ozhiganov
Hainsey/Carrick
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Mcbackup to waivers, hopefully he isn't claimed off
Of Ozhiganov struggles, and Carrick does well, we swap the two, Holl could even come in and we could probably bring up Liljgren half way through the year if he is doing well to play with Hainsey
However if Holl, Ozhiganov, and Carrick all somehow can't cut it, we can trade for a pending FA at the dealine like Schmidt or even Myers (if the Trouba thing works itself out) to play with Dermott
Yes the defence isn't the best, but when you have a guy like Freddy in net, and that stacked offence, who needs it
Next year we bring up Liljgren, trade Marleau, bring up Grundström and possibly Moore and replace Hainsey with someone from FA (like Schmidt)
Look, each team has its strengths and weaknesses, the leafs have strength in their offence and goaltending, and a weakness in their defence, however your aren't defined by your weaknesses, you are defined by your strengths, and with the offence they have and the goaltending they have, you don't need to be the best defensive team in the league, you just have to be decent, which they are

themostleaf33

1.) 18 Aug 2018 01:15:52
I like the trade with Carolina for Pesce and Rask.
My question is if the Leafs send back Zaitsev then they are still short at least 1 if not 2 quality RHD.
Since Leafs are giving up Kapanen (a former 1st round pick who has developed well) and their 2019 1st I would prefer to try to include one of Carrick, Rosen or Borgman.
Maybe to make the deal a little more attractive to the Canes Leafs could give them the choice of Sparks or Picard to upgrade their goal tending.


2.) 18 Aug 2018 12:41:58
Ok, that seems fair, we send them Rosén as well.


3.) 18 Aug 2018 16:56:51
The Leafs do not need Rask and are the best 1,2,3 Centres in the league already. Do not move Matthew's to the Wing, he's a centre. Rask is garbage compared to what the Leafs have.


4.) 18 Aug 2018 17:42:05
@Toronto buds
Umm, Rask is not garbage, he is a good player just getting into his prime, he is very underrated and could be a better version of Bozak, that is not rubbish, it just isn’t Auston Matthews.


 

 

15 Aug 2018 18:44:33
To Carolina:
Kapanen, 2019 1st, Zaitsev (to replace Pesce), Leivo, Pickard, conditional 2019 4th (if Pickard is claimed off waivers), possible $500,000 retained for Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Pesce, Rask, 2019 2nd if salary retained for Zaitsev, 3rd if none retained
To Winnepeg:
2021 1st, Neilson, Carrick
To Leafs:
Myers
Panarin trade still in effect, we keep our 2020 1st no matter what
2018-19 Lines
Matthews/Tavares/Marner
Panarin/Kadri/Nylander
Marleau/Rask/Hyman
Johnsson/Lindholm/Brown
*Ennis, Jooris
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Myers
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Hopefully Mcbackup not claimed off of waivers
Next year
Marleau to Sanjose for a 2020 3rd
Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Matthews/Nylander
Rask/Kadri/Grundström
Moore/Lindholm/Brown
*FA (if we somehow can we re-sign Panarin and Moore stays in minors for 1 more year and we juggle lines)
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Liljgren
FA(Schmidt is preference)/Ozhiganov(if he does well)
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

themostleaf33

1.) 15 Aug 2018 20:29:33
So Matthews and Taveras on same line. Is that what you would like to see?


2.) 15 Aug 2018 20:57:03
Yes imagine that first line, we would be able to do it with Panarin on the second line so our offence would be like so insane that nobody could touch us.


3.) 15 Aug 2018 21:21:47
No from Winnipeg. Two players we have no use for and a 1st isn't worth giving up Myers for. Especially with the Trouba situation still up in the air.


4.) 15 Aug 2018 23:26:25
But they are both Centers.

Yes you'll see them at times on the ice together. Power play mostly. But you have to break them up.


5.) 16 Aug 2018 03:08:26
Ok I understand that, but Nylander takes most of the face offs when he is playing with Matthews anyway, I honestly think Matthews would work much better as a winger, he kind of needs to work on his defeaive play anyway so center may not be the best place for him.


6.) 16 Aug 2018 11:18:35
Nylander takes offensive zone faceoffs on the right side only, in order to maintain structure and quickly establish a cycle. Babs chooses this because Nylander is a solid faceoff man and he's a rightie, not because Matthews needs someone to take faceoffs for him. Check out the numbers, Matthews was 54.5% on draws vs. 51.4% for Willy last year. Besides that, Matthews improved dramatically defensively last year. There's no reason to give up on playing him at centre, its ludicrous.

At the end of the day Babcock wants to roll four lines, not overload talent high in the lineup and open himself up to mismatches lower down the roster. Same applies to how Dubas wants to build a roster, as evident by the Marlies cup run last year.


7.) 18 Aug 2018 01:41:43
Why not just pick all the players you like off other teams and put them on the Leafs?


 

 

 

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21 Aug 2018 20:48:23
Panarin’s salary is destined to rise, and he doesn’t want to stay in Columbus anyway
Do you want to win a cup or not?

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21 Aug 2018 16:02:04
Leafs don’t have a 2019 6th right now, plus I king of want to see how Johnsson turns out, he could very much be a top 6 forward.

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21 Aug 2018 01:52:12
The thing is Kapanen goes to Carolina here so that doesn’t work.

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20 Aug 2018 21:04:22
Even though Weber is hurt, when he comes off LTIR he will be worth more, so if Montreal does trade him they will wait until he is healthy (the trade deadline)

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20 Aug 2018 20:56:00
@Jminn
After Murray’s last season, Columbus needs a new LD, Savard is awesome, but he needs a proper parteber, Murray isn’t that, anyway, if we give them Gardiner that gives them 2 options
1 if they want to re-tool they can trade Gardiner for a first
2 Murray still is just getting into his prime so he will improve and likely have a bounce back year, so if they want they can trade him and a prospect for a winger that will want to play there long term (such as Silverberg, Eaves or Kessel) to replace Panarin.

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