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20 Feb 2019 20:20:49
In leafs talk I posted about adding a couple Dman. I would like to see leafs dive in for Pesce and Jensen. I will only look at next year's salaries and from there, figure out who needs to go

With the d, I assumed Jensen unsigned for next year. Reilly-Pesce-muzzin-xxx-Dermott-Liljegren-sandin or other seventh. The cost is maximum $16m plus thstvextra guy

Lea.

jodes

1.) 20 Feb 2019 20:39:13
To get Pesce how about this trade

Johnsson brown
Pesce

The money works and the canes get two fast forwards only problem is who do you replace them with now.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 21:07:05
Stupid phone

With that defence group and adding goalies and Kessel, we are at around $23m

Matthews-Marleau-Marner-tavares call it $38.5m. Total of $61.5m. Have said all along we shouldn't spend to cap so thinking $18.5m left.

Nylander-$7m
Hyman-$2m
Johnnson- $2.5m?
Kadri-$4.5m
Kapanen-$3.5m?
Fourth line- $2.5m?
Right d with muzzin - $3m?

$6.5m over.

So this implies Gardiner gone. Zaitsev gone. And $6.5m more. Who goes? To me its Kadri and Hyman. But then more grit gone. Nylander? Just him gone then. Minimal other disruption

So interested to see the decisions made between now and next year. They won't win the cup this year with that d as is though.


 

 

14 Feb 2019 16:17:55
Nylander and brown for Pesce and ferland. Add as u wish.

Not going further. Add up cap numbers and see what u think.

jodes

1.) 14 Feb 2019 16:58:04
As a armchair GM, i don't mind this trade for $ amount. However, I believe there is real value in trading Gardiner before the deadline. Although leaf fans have a love-hate with him, he has value on the market and could be used as tool to gain a need for leafs. They have too many left handed D and essentially muzzin can fill that hole now, maybe not as much offensively but much better defensively. My plan would be to trade gardiner for a solid right handed defenseman (McQuaid) (UFA next year) and a pick from Rangers (2nd rounder? ) . Now for Nylander. His contract dispute and holding out while under contract cannot sit well with leafs management. The bottom line is that he got way too much on his contract and the bad taste in management's mouth (dont care what GM said) is not going to go away and I think they will move him because of contract and lack of production. Nylander can still get you a boat load on a trade with his potential, but he can and has already been replaced by a faster, grittier, more defensively responsible right winger in Kapinen. Kappy is the keeper here and he will come much cheaper. I would trade Nylander for a good gritty, tough hitting forward who will protect the smaller forwards. The other option is to trade Nylander for a skilled top three/ four defenceman and a pick to come back. There are other options out there including western conference.

Gardiner to NYR for McQuaid and 2nd rd pick

Nylander to Carolina for Pesce (or Manson in ANA) and 2nd rd pick

OR

Gardiner to Carolina for Ferland and 2nd rounder
Nylander to Carolina for Pesche (or manson) and 2nd rounder.


2.) 14 Feb 2019 18:34:02
Nylander for Pesce is a-okay imo. Brown for Ferland I’m not as keen on. I know the numbers work, because it’s you posting Jodes. I don’t think anyone knows the Leafs budget better than you do. I always enjoy your proposals Jodes. I’m envious that you are so talented at the financial aspect of this whole armchair gm’ing. It’s an area that many contributors, including myself, don’t take into full consideration when floating a proposal. I always love your stufff Jodes. You have a keen mind and shrewd business sense.

@mick

I see you’re new to the forum. In general, you should limit any reply to the OP’s original proposal and suggest new trades in a new thread so you don’t hijack the OP’s discussion. It also helps encourage discussion on other topics. Jodes didn’t even mention Gardiner and your entire response was virtually about Gardiner. That would have been perfect opportunity to initiate a new thread, as everyone loves to hate on Gardiner.


3.) 14 Feb 2019 19:34:24
Hey guys

I put a post in leafs talk talking numbers. Part of the reason for this trade

I get that the big trades are fun but bottom line they will not cause that much disruption to the team.

To keep team largely intact and bring in defence, money has got to go out

Gardiner? Not going anywhere this year I think. If they do trade him great. But get a rd. God.


 

 

12 Feb 2019 15:55:18
Kapanen and a prospect for Pesce.

I know everyone is high on Kapanen but honestly, I don't buy it. Speed yes. Some checking yes. But he doesn't have the finish of Johnnson. 100 times out of 100 I keep Johnnson.

Deal saves us money and brings in that 4th d.

This year:

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander: $14m plus bonuses

Hyman-tavares-Marner: $14m plus bonuses

Johnnson-Kadri-brown: $8m (high)

Fourth line: $3m

$39m plus bonuses

Reilly-Pesce
Muzzin-Dermott
Hainsey-Zaitsev
Seventh

$23m

Add goalies and Kessel is say $70m


Won't get into next year. Changes will need to be made

jodes

1.) 12 Feb 2019 16:12:15
I agree with you about Kappanen. When compared to Johnson,
Kappanen - 55 games 16 goals 16 assists 32 points
Johnson - 49 games 14 goals 15 assists 29 points

Johnson has comparable numbers while mostly playing 4th line and playing 6 less games.
I would move Kappanen for a top 4 d-man or wait til the off season and trade him for picks. On the depth chart, Kappanen is the 3rd best RW while Johnson is the best LW.
I also believe Moore could accomplish as much as Kappanen for a lot cheaper.


2.) 12 Feb 2019 17:34:44
Kapanen is a third line player. And a good one. But too expensive for third line. Sacrifices need to be made.

If we keep the big 4 plus Johnnson I'm pretty sure we have firepower.


3.) 12 Feb 2019 18:39:08
I like them both obviously. Very good players. Jodes is right though. If we are going to trade one for defense help, it would likely be Kapanen. What with losing Marleau end of next year, we really do need Johnsson more.


4.) 12 Feb 2019 18:58:32
Leafs GM

Agreed but I will say when I watch Kapanen frequently looks "out of control" for lack of a better word. I don't believe he is as good as he has shown. Nor do I believe Johnnson has gotten the true shot he deserves.

I think I would trade Kapanen for three reasons :

1) his value is high which means we get something good for him
2) his actual value isn't as high as thought so we pay too much if he is kept
3) we can't afford him anyway if he gets that contract we all expect

Keep Kadri. Lose Kapanen. Gain Pesce. Viable top 4 and a couple of kids coming to play 3rd pair.


5.) 12 Feb 2019 21:25:11
Davido jodes

You are splitting hairs comparing Johnson with Kapanen. Your stats prove it. Both have had chemistry and success with Matthews.

Would be great to keep both you are right one probably moves. My pick to stay would be Kapanen by slim margin.

Davido

And no Moore cannot accomplish as much as Kapanen. Does not have some skill set. Nowhere near the shot.


6.) 13 Feb 2019 14:25:57
jodes

Understand Kapanen + Woll for Pesce or do you prefer Kapanen + prospect for Manson.

What about Gardiner, you don't even show him in this years defensive lineup.

How are trading Gardiner for Gudas. Than you can you salary dump of Zaitsev this year.

This year's defense cost would be
Reilly Pesce (Manson) $9.1
Muzzin Gudas $7.35
Dermott Hainsey $3.86
Total of $20.31 MM

Next year less expensive for the Defense.


7.) 13 Feb 2019 18:58:57
Heatdreamer

Absolutely right on Gardiner. Guess I am so used to doing next year's thoughts I left him out. For this year, if at all possible, Zaitsev gone and Gardiner with Hainsey.

I like the fact Pesce has a few years at his salary. Good value. Honestly haven't looked at Manson. Not sure about his contract

But if the salary and term were the same. Either would do.


 

 

08 Feb 2019 17:09:58
Nylander for Parayko. Add on as you will

54-19-7: to me the breakdown of forwards-defence-goalies (add Kessel here)

Johnson-Matthews-Kapanen
Hyman-tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-brown
Fourth line

This ends up being roughly $55m

Reilly-Parayko
Muzzin-Dermott
Hainsey-Liljegren
Extra

This is pushing $19m

Andersen-backup-Kessel. $7m

Total of $81. Very small cushion. Disrupts team player wise as little as possible.

jodes

1.) 08 Feb 2019 17:50:17
Oh Zaitsev gone too. I have attached no trade value to him.


2.) 08 Feb 2019 18:25:45
please make this happen exactly what we need and frees up cap space.


3.) 08 Feb 2019 20:39:01
If you’re trading Nylander for Parayko, you might be able to trade them Zaitsev at the same time to be Parayko’s replacement. You just have to either retain salary or, more preferably, throw them a pick/ prospect of some sort.

Again, it’s not that Zaitsev is a bad player per se, but it’s virtually unanimous, among analysts that I’ve read anyway, that he is overpaid. He’s a very useful player and a top 4 defender on most teams in the league. And while his point totals are stunted from playing with Gardiner, who hogs all the glory and leaves Zaitsev alone a lot, he still has the ability to be an effective defender with emphasis on defense. He does cover for Gardiner a lot after all.


4.) 08 Feb 2019 21:36:01
Lol and Gardiner. Also no trade value. I think own rental and then gone.


5.) 08 Feb 2019 23:59:53
Nylander liljgren 1st.


6.) 09 Feb 2019 01:11:38
Biggest problem with this trade is Blues can't afford it. The only thing you could add in would be picks/ prospects and they would still be about $2M short of covering the difference in salary. No way you can add Zaitsev to the deal. Maybe adding Maroon makes it work but the picks going back would be painful. Maybe Parayko, Maroon for Nylander, Lilijegren ans 2020 2nd might get it done.


7.) 09 Feb 2019 01:13:50
Red. wing 1

For Parayko? Vast vast vast improvement. No chance u have to pay that for Parayko.


8.) 09 Feb 2019 01:18:59
Great starting of negotiations for this deal. nylander is type of guy st. louis would love. theyd be very interested with getting a guy to get tarasenko going. if it takes parayko to do so i think theyd do this deal. adding zaitsev in deal would require leafs taking back beaumeester. salary purposes for this year. next year st. louis even after this deal still has upwards 10 million to simply offer sheet Point. now that's a deadly number 1 line. Think long term here and keeping st. louis top guy happy. i think this deal is closer to happanening than what some may believe. actually feel dubas would be hesitant because of his love for nylander.


9.) 09 Feb 2019 14:45:34
Well I look at it this way. St Louis has to worry about their own cap. They may need to do other deals to become cap compliant. Not our problem. But I get the point.


 

 

07 Feb 2019 02:22:45
OK I'm preparing for all the love to follow:

Kapanen for Pesce. Add as you wish.

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-tavares-Marner
Johnnson-Kadri-brown

Reilly-muzzin
Gardiner-Pesce (Gardiner replaced next year by Dermott)

Andersen

Next year 75m+

Fourth line / bottom 3 d / backup g plus Kessel. $8m?

This tops us out at $83m

More adjustments likely but a start

jodes

1.) 07 Feb 2019 14:03:02
It might come down to if we want that rhd kapanen might be the guy but with Johnsson playing great in the last two games his value might shoot up.


2.) 07 Feb 2019 14:48:45
I like Johnnson more than Kapanen quite honestly. And to add that 4th Dman I have no issue at all giving up Kapanen.


3.) 07 Feb 2019 15:51:33
The problem is Dubas doesn't feel the same, he wants to keep both Johnsson and Kapanen. Trust me if Dubas wanted to trade one of these guys he would've done it already.


 

 

 

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20 Feb 2019 21:07:05
Stupid phone

With that defence group and adding goalies and Kessel, we are at around $23m

Matthews-Marleau-Marner-tavares call it $38.5m. Total of $61.5m. Have said all along we shouldn't spend to cap so thinking $18.5m left.

Nylander-$7m
Hyman-$2m
Johnnson- $2.5m?
Kadri-$4.5m
Kapanen-$3.5m?
Fourth line- $2.5m?
Right d with muzzin - $3m?

$6.5m over.

So this implies Gardiner gone. Zaitsev gone. And $6.5m more. Who goes? To me its Kadri and Hyman. But then more grit gone. Nylander? Just him gone then. Minimal other disruption

So interested to see the decisions made between now and next year. They won't win the cup this year with that d as is though.

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16 Feb 2019 01:53:49
I'm just going to say this. Because a trade is dollar for dollar doesn't make it work. The budget is hugely over next year.

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16 Feb 2019 01:47:27
Numbers don't work.

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16 Feb 2019 01:45:39
That's pushing 88m next year. Nope.

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14 Feb 2019 19:34:24
Hey guys

I put a post in leafs talk talking numbers. Part of the reason for this trade

I get that the big trades are fun but bottom line they will not cause that much disruption to the team.

To keep team largely intact and bring in defence, money has got to go out

Gardiner? Not going anywhere this year I think. If they do trade him great. But get a rd. God.

jodes

 

 

 

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