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24 Sep 2018 01:29:53
If Leafs can't sign Nylander.
If Vegas can't sign Theodore

I propose:
To Vegas: Nylander and Gardner
To Leaf: Cody Glass and Shea Theodore

Perhaps some later pick or prospect tweaking required?

Shea Theodore replaces Gardner while Gardner replaces the lose of Nate Schmidt for 1/4 of the season and gives Vegas PP a shot in the arm.

Cody Glass is a right hand shot and will replace Nylander temporarily until he is ready to take over the 3rd line center position from Kadri allowing Leafs to trade Kadri for a 1st round pick or A prospect

Hugh Allan

1.) 24 Sep 2018 02:33:18
Vegas didn’t want to trade glass to Ottawa for Karlsson so I dought they do this.


2.) 24 Sep 2018 02:39:21
Cody Glass is a very highly rated prospect. Projected to be a 1C. I really like your thinking here. Looking even further ahead, we can even see Glass replacing Tavares in 5-7 years.

Theodore is a good player as well. A very adequate replacement for Gardiner, I would feel more comfortable depending on him than anyone else we have on the team right now, including Dermott.

I feel like Vegas should add here. Leafs are taking a downgrade on both players. Glass may prove to be a superior player than Nylander, but it’s a gamble. Leafs deserve further incentive to compensate. If we could work Hague in somehow, then it’s a trade that I think both teams would consider.


3.) 24 Sep 2018 05:16:35
@mostleaf

Glass wasn’t the dealbreaker in that trade. Bobby Ryan was. In the end, Ottawa got less than what Vegas offered, but didn’t shed Ryan’s boat anchor of a contract.

Gardiner is almost same level as Karlsson, and Nylander is significantly better than anyone else Ottawa offered Vegas. There is a very good chance Vegas would accept an offer like this. An elite winger and near elite offensive defenseman in exchange for a 2nd round prospect (Hague), a 1st round prospect (Glass), and bottom 4 pairing LHD. It almost overwhelming favours Vegas. A lot of risk for Leafs, but a lot of possible upside reward as well.


 

 

20 Aug 2018 05:38:36
I think this trade helps both teams which is the basis for a good trade.

To Oilers: Jake Gardner (extension signed), Kapanen, Carrick
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To Leafs: Adam Larson

Gardner gives the Oilers offense from the back end and the PP quarterback they have been missing, Kapanen gives the Oilers a right wing speedster to play with McDavid. Kapanen has good offensive capabilities as well as excellent PK skills, Carrick replaces RHD depth Oilers lose in the trade.

Leafs get the RHD they covet to pair with Morgan Reilly. Larson is only 25 (same age as Reilly), a big body 6'3", 210lbs who is excellent defensively.

Larson has been unfairly scapegoated for Chiarelli's trade. Playing for the Leafs would remove the pressure of the Taylor Hall trade and allow Larson to do what he is good at, play defense without having to be a prime offensive producer.

Hugh Allan

1.) 20 Aug 2018 15:46:14
Id rather keep kapanen and send a prospect and a pick.


2.) 20 Aug 2018 19:25:55
Larsson is a great player. I would love to have him on the Leafs. A hitting machine, he blocks shots, clears the net, does everything that Giveaway can’t. And that’s exactly why Oilers will be wanting to keep him.

It’s been pointed out more than once that having made the worst trade since Joe Thornton went to San Jose, Oilers will be reluctant to move Larsson unless the paycheque is enormous. Having overpaid to acquire him, they will be looking for a bigger sucker, which I don’t think Dubas is.

It’s well known Oilers are looming for an offensively minded defenseman like Gardiner, but I don’t think Larsson is the player they will be looking to offer in exchange. That just puts the Oilers back into same position they were a year ago when they made the Hall for Larsson trade. Who are they going to trade next? McDavid? Lol.


 

 

07 Aug 2018 13:43:30
Time to ruffle some feathers and give the abusers some ammunition.
This is a trade from a long term perspective not to help win the Stanley Cup this year.

To Montreal: Nazim Kadri, Jake Gardner

With Leafs depth at center they can afford to trade Kadri. Montreal gets the center they covet to play with Drouin while he is in his prime.
Gardner will need a new, long term contract at the end of the season. Leafs can not afford him, the Habs can. Gardner would be the 1st pairing LH defenseman Montreal needs to play with Shea Weber while he is still a premiere player.

To Leafs: Kotkaniemi, Juulsen, Olofsson

Kotkaniemi can replace Kadri in a year or two.Juulsen adds another young, good skating defenseman to our prospect pool and he is very close to competing for a starting position. Olofsson will become Leafs 3rd line center.

There! That should get the dogs howling.

Hugh Allan

1.) 07 Aug 2018 15:14:06
I think you have the right idea. Being proactive by long term planning for the future is very smart thinking. I just don’t think you have targeted the right team here. Kotkaniemi and Juulsen are both very highly rated prospects who are expected to be the backbone of Montreal’s rebuild. In the past, Montreal has made some incredibly stupid trades and might have pulled the trigger on this type of offering. But now I expect they will be unloading assets and building for their own future. Right idea, wrong team.

As an aside, I’m not so sure if Montreal can afford both Kadri and Gardiner, especially in a few years after they both need re-signing and will be looking at much more money. According to capfriendly, Montreal has just over $7M in cap space right now. They would still need to unload assets like Alzner and Petry and maybe Weber if they can find a bigger sucker.


 

 

07 Aug 2018 01:42:19
Time to give the abusers some ammunition and ruffle some feathers.

To Montreal: Kadri, Gardner and Freddie Gauthier

To Leafs: Kotkaniemi, Juulsen and Jacobsson.

Habs get their center to play with Drouin while he is still in his prime.
Canadiens get a 1st pairing LHD to play with Shea Weber while he is still a premiere defenseman

Leafs get Kotkaniemi which opens up $4 million in cap space and provides them with a young, high end center with serious upside for the future.
Juulsen gives Leafs more defensive depth and can step in this year and be the 3rd pairing LHD as Dermot moves up to the 2nd pair with the departure of Gardner clearing another $4 million in cap space.
In Jacobsson Leafs get more depth at center to compete for a roster spot in the future with Par Lindholm.

Leafs trade a defenseman in Gardner that they won't be able to afford to resign next year. Leafs trade a 27 year old center in Kadri for an 18 year old center (Kotkaniemi) on an ELC.
Leafs get A 3rd - 4th line center, Jacobsson to fill out the position for the foreseeable future.
Montreal can afford Kadri and can also afford to resign Gardner under the cap.

Hugh Allan

1.) 07 Aug 2018 05:30:03
Montreal says no. Looking to rebuild, I expect Montreal to be dumping assets like Alzner and Petry and maybe even Weber if they can find a bigger sucker. Juulsen and Kotkaniemi are the back one of the youth movement right now. This would be a trade Montreal would have made in the past, but not now. I like your thinking. Just the wrong team to be dealing with.


 

 

07 Jul 2018 01:07:00
Usually I do a follow up to justify a proposed trade but as I sit here with my coffee this morning, I'm feeling a little lazy so here is the trade, straight up!

To Canes: Gardner, Kapanen, Sparks, Bracco and a 3rd

To Leafs: Skinner, Pesce, DeHaan and a 2nd

Hugh Allan

1.) 07 Jul 2018 02:44:26
I don’t think that’s enough, if leafs can pull it off then do it but I don’t think that’s enough, plus I kind of want to keep Kapanen.


2.) 07 Jul 2018 04:06:27
I don’t see Carolina making this trade

Valuation:

Skinner > Gardiner
Pesce > Kapanen
De Haan > Sparks + 3rd
2nd > Bracco

Skinner is a top line winger. Gardiner is not a top line defender. Contracts are about equal. Gardiner plays 2LHD behind Slavin for a year to allow Fleury and Bean develop. Skinner plays top line beside Matthews, and Hyman drops to 3rd. Carolina signed DeHaan four years though. I’m assuming they think Fleury and/ or Bean need longer than one year. They might not want to chance only a single year of Gardiner.

Pesce is a proven 1st/ 2nd line defender and RHD. Kapanen is 3rd line winger with 2nd line potential who hasn’t even played a full season of NHL yet. Pesce plays 1st line until Liljegren is ready, then drops to second, at which point Zaitsev can be traded. Kapanen probably makes 2nd line after Williams is shown the door.

Sparks is a backup goalie who might be a starter one day. Even if he is a starter, Goalies don’t go for much. Leafs only traded a couple picks for Andersen. Sparks + 3rd isn’t worth De Haan.

Bracco is currently in AHL with virtually no chance of making the team any time soon. You can get a useable NHL player for a 3rd/ 4th round pick. (Eg. Soshnikov, Oleksiak) .

Contract wise, I think the $ and terms are pretty close. Valuation is about close, but slightly factors Leafs. Needs analysis is close, but also factors the Leafs.

It’s close, but seems to favor leafs slightly in a couple measures.

Leafs lineups are much better though:

Skinner/ Matthews/ Nylander
Marleau/ Tavares/ Marner
Hyman/ Kadri/ Brown
Ennis/ Lindholm/ Jooris
*Lievo

Rielly/ Pesce
Dermott/ Zaitsev
DeHaan/ Hainsey
*Carrick, Ozhiganov.


3.) 07 Jul 2018 17:06:16
So mostleaf33 the pattern of fumbling over your own comments continues. you say it’s not enough to make the trade and then say you want to keep kapanen. But then offer no alternative. that’s worth a double🤡🤡.


4.) 07 Jul 2018 18:00:15
My trade is better that’s why.


5.) 07 Jul 2018 19:55:58
What trade are you talking about. I see no trade in this specific post anywhere?

Keep fumbling fella.
🤡.


6.) 08 Jul 2018 04:55:59
Your right. Maybe a little light coming from the Leafs. How about Leafs send their 1st in the deal and Carolina sends a 2nd back.


 

 

 

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17 Oct 2018 23:53:56
Nylander for Ristolainen, Tanev or Myers.
Please!

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17 Oct 2018 23:50:07
Garner has a contract that pays him over $3 million a year for this year and next year.
Leafs are already finding it difficult to pay Nylander, Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Gardner etc without adding a $3+ million dollar a year, 4th line center.
Why do Leafs need Gagner?

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15 Oct 2018 00:37:56
Ristolainin is very poor defensively and not what the Leafs want in return for an elite right winger. I would be far more interested in the deal with the Canes for Pesce and Teravainen.
Just leave out TVR and Leafs 1st round pick as that is an overpayment.

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15 Oct 2018 00:34:29
What is with this desire to bring in a RH Jake Gardner.
Falk is not a good defenseman.
If he was Carolina would not be trying to trade him.
Falk is exactly the tripe of player Leafs don't want!
Falk is not in the same class of player as Nylander and once again he Leafs are giving up by far the best player.
No thanks to this arrangement.

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15 Oct 2018 00:31:30
Del Cole is a bust.
No thanks!
If it isn't Wahlstrom Leafs don't want it.
Pulock isn't a 2nd pairing defenseman with good offensive skills and poor defensive skills.
Leafs already have one of those.
Leafs don't want any more of Islander's 4th line players.
We were lucky they took Martin back.
I don't see how this deal makes the Leafs a better team when they are giving up by far the best player in the deal.

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