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19 Jun 2017 18:13:07
My apologies if this post is redundant to any others previously posted. These are some suggested trade ideas for the Leafs at the 2017 Entry Draft.

While JVR has often been discussed in possible trade rumors for a top four defenceman, his value has been equally debated in whether he would yield such a return.

If the case is that JVR would never yield you a top 4 defencemen, and if Toronto's long term plan doesn't include keeping JVR, then why not consider trading him for a player(s) who have the potential in becoming a top four D?

At the 2017 NHL Draft I thought of three possible scenarios:

1. Tops on my list would be for Toronto to trade up to select Liljegren should he fall out of the top 10. His stock may have dropped enough that he slides out of the top ten (this years Chychrun).

Option A
TOR: trades 17th overall pick + JVR
FLA: 10th overall pick (Liljegren)

or

Option B
TOR: trades 17th overall pick + JVR
LA: 11th overall pick (Liljegren)

If Toronto wishes to hold onto JVR perhaps they do what Phoenix did in last years draft when they flipped picks with Detroit to take Chychrun.

Option C
TOR:trades 17th overall pick
LA: 11th overall pick (Liljegren) + Gaborik (salary dump)

or
Option D
TOR: trades 17th overall pick + Lupul (salary dump)
LA: 11th overall pick (Liljegren) + Gaborik


2. Another Draft day idea to do in addition would be to:
TOR: JVR
STL: 20th overall pick and the 27th overall pick.

Then with the 20th overall pick Toronto could select either (Hague/Vaakainen/Vesalainen) and for the 27th pick select (Ratcliffe/Thomas/Timmins).

The rationale here would be to draft either Vesalainen or Ratcliffe to eventually fill JVR's slot on the wing. In the meantime, stop gap options for the wing could include Rychel and Leivo.

The second pick would continue to address defence needs as Hague (assuming he's still on the board) Vaakainen, or Timmins would be added to the fold.

Other possibilities to draft would include Thomas or Norris to address Center deficiencies.

3. The third possibility in addition to the other two moves would be to trade:
TOR: Gardiner + 2017 2nd Round pick
DAL: 3rd overall

From here and depending on the other latter moves, Toronto decides whether to draft a center (Glass/Vilardi) or defenceman (Heiksanen/Makar).

Overall Summary:
Toronto players on the out: JVR, Gardiner, Lupul, 17th pick, 2nd overall pick
Toronto players returning: Gaborik, 3rd pick (i.e. Vilardi), 11th pick (i.e. Liljegren), 20th pick (i.e. Vaakainen), 27th pick (i.e. Timmins)

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1.) 20 Jun 2017 03:15:00
I think the smart thing for the leafs to do is trade up for Liljegren. I like the way your thinking.


2.) 20 jun 2017 04:55:52
absolutely the dumbest thing i have ever seen omg!


3.) 20 Jun 2017 13:46:49
Hey, new here, just looking for a little clarification. Could you explain your reasoning for the valuation of JVR+17th for the 10th or 11th versus Gardiner+2nd Rounder for the 3rd overall? Thanks!


4.) 20 Jun 2017 15:07:41
Some mock drafts have Liljegren dropping down to the 17th pick and even lower. I would love to see Toronto draft him at 17 but I find it unlikely that he will drop that low, despite the inconsistencies in his performance, missed games, etc. I really believe he will be taken sooner. But I also believe that he may be a player who has somewhat fallen out of favour with some teams picking higher, who value other players more. While there are good defence prospects in this draft, Liljegren, I believe has that potential to be a top 2. While some of the other potential first rounders have more of a top 4 potential. Liljegren may end up being a bust as well but the way he moves and skates, you can’t help but wonder if he could be Toronto’s version of an Erik Karlsson. JVR is part of an older regime here in Toronto. As good as he played, we know Marner is the straw that stirs the drink on that line. At times, it looked as though Marner carried his linemates. JVR’s value is at it’s peak. You know what he is and you know what he can give you. Is there more to his game than what we have seen? Toronto should capitalize on his trade value asap. Yes, they could sign him, and yes, he just might accept a hometown discount to fit into Toronto’s long term plans, but Toronto has an abundance at forward with more players ready to challenge for position.

The Gardiner trade is apples and oranges to JVR. I would be willing to revise my trade proposal for Gardiner by adding another prospect or two, but I wouldn’t go so far as to include one of the big three (i. e. Nylander, Marner, Matthews. ), or Toronto’s 1st round pick. In fact, no Leaf 1st round pick should ever be traded. I wouldn’t trade Brown or Hyman either as they both factor in long term and they will become important role players in rounding out a roster. How great is it that Toronto has them at such a young age?! The Gardiner trade isn't one that I would expect Dallas to accept despite the fact that they would benefit from having someone like Gardiner in their line up. But Dallas needs a defender, and coupled with this year’s draft discussion on how it’s not as strong, and some teams already rumoured to be utilizing their 1st round picks for LVGN side deals, why not kick tires on possibly grabbing one of the elite players in the draft? Gardiner’s contract is up in a couple of years and he’s going to want more money. Is he worth say 6 - 7 million per? Like JVR, Gardiner’s value is at an all time high. He is a tradeable asset on a cap friendly contract and all trades in the NHL today are greatly influenced by cap considerations. A draft regarded not as strong, means that the possibility exists for trading up or trading for, perhaps at a lesser price than what normally would be. I also believe that Heiksanen projects to be higher than Gardiner as a number 2 defensive defenceman. We already learned that Gardiner is always going to be a 3-4 defenceman.

Perhaps a revised trade idea would include: Gardiner, 2nd round pick, and prospect (i. e. Leipsic) . I’m open to suggestions for trade ideas. I imagine there is a lot of back and forth before teams finally decide on what is fair value. First offers should never be more than halfway or an overpayment in any negotiation.


 

 

 

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12 Nov 2017 14:16:17
Fermanaglad2,

Do you seriously believe Bozak is worth that much in a trade with NY? If the Leafs could acquire a top 10 player in the draft by flipping Bozak, I think they would have done it by now.

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12 Nov 2017 14:12:03
An interesting trade idea heatdreamer. I’m curious why the Leafs would be interested in giving up so many pieces for this guy? As well, if the Leafs really wanted to do a trade like this, maybe they could involve a third party such as Ottawa did when they acquired Duchene? Maybe that would lessen the number of assets they’d have to surrender in a deal for Landedkog?

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27 Oct 2017 21:18:17
My thoughts exactly with Leafs Lunch on the deal. Pesce would be a nice addition to the Leafs but Carolina will ask for a better quality return then the one listed. If Pesce were available, there would be a number of teams in on him, and potentially driving up his value.

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18 Oct 2017 06:36:10
StarLord,
You're right, I apologize for mixing up the trades. The JVR one to SJ seems like fair value although I know very little about True. What do you know about him and what do you think he brings to the Leafs?

The Fabbro suggestion was only as a reference point. I'm not married to the idea that the Leafs would need to get him specifically. Would be nice if they could add another quality prospect with potential to their organization.

I'm in total agreement with you on your assessment of JVR and Bozak and alternative options within the organization. I would be curious to see what a player like Kapanen could do as a second line winger.

As for the Flames deal, I'm really not sure. What do you know of Andersson?

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17 Oct 2017 20:11:52
Well said fermanaghlad. Some good points.

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