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20 Feb 2019 16:39:15
Leafs trade 1st (2020), Timashov, 2nd
Av’s trade Barrie

Obviously it’s based on the Muzzin trade. while I don’t like the thought of losing next years 1st already, Barrie does have the extra year on his contract. I think his style of play really suits Leafs rather well. We can still get a cheap heavy hitter for depth. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Barrie is RHD version of Gardiner and would give us four top 50 defensemen. It would be one of the best in the league behind maybe only SJ, Calgary, and Nashville.


1.) 20 Feb 2019 16:47:57
I think gardiner for Barrie is fair both play same style just opposite sides same the first add a 2nd next year.

2.) 20 Feb 2019 17:37:57
I feel like Dubas is going to keep the 2020 1st until he knows for sure that the leafs won't need it. Due to the cap crunch, he may have to trade some players that would make the leafs worse, so the 1st may be something he holds onto in case things don't go according to plan.

3.) 20 Feb 2019 18:58:12

I agree with you. I don’t think Leafs should be dipping in to next year’s picks yet either. We should be holding that until next year when we know what our needs then will be.
Maybe instead of the 1st we could give a combination of players/ prospects? What do you think MostLeaf?


I didn’t want to trade Gardiner for Barrie because I was wanting to keep him for this year’s playoff run. Trading Gardiner for Barrie doesn’t really improve us significantly enough to make the trade worthwhile. A package of picks let's us keep our top 50 defenseman, who is very valuable and good to have as insurance against injury to Rielly.

4.) 20 Feb 2019 20:28:37
Fair enough but how do you afford this trade honestly I can’t see the leafs getting that top 4 d because we have to ship out a contract worth atleast 3 mil which not many guys have that low of a cap hit.



18 Feb 2019 03:16:20
Leafs trade Kadri, Marleau
Predators trade Bonino, Fabbro, Tolvanen

Preds can afford to do this. They are “all-in” this year, willing to trade A-prospects for immediate roster help. Center is by far the weak spot. Kadri easily steps in as their 2C. Marleau is way better than Boyle or Hartman, so shores up LW and gives them another scoring threat.

We take a downgrade at 3C, but Marleau’s contract comes off the books and we gain two A-prospects. Tolvanen and Fabbro would round out our prospect pool. We would be deep in every position. We would have two top 10 RHD prospects in the world.

Tolvanen/ Matthews/ Nylander
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Bonino/ Kapanen
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ Brown
(Moore/ SDR/ Bracco)
(Timashov, Marchment)

Reilly/ Muzzin
(Gardiner) / Zaitsev
Dermott/ (Hainsey)
*Holl, Ozhiganov
(/ Fabbro)
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rosen/ Hollowell)
(Gordeev/ Rasanen)


1.) 18 Feb 2019 15:59:03
Honestly @LeafsGM,
I would love this trade, as much of a fit that Kadri is, there are just too many other issues to address and I think if they take marleau with this trade you do it all day long. But would marleau with a family of 4, waive his clause to go to Nashville and uproot the family again? I 100% agree that even though Kadri is a great contract and 3C, he’s the best chip we have to get a decent return and clear some space. Just not sure marleau will waive his clause at all.

2.) 18 Feb 2019 17:00:18
Babsocks! How are you today my friend? It’s another cold one. You can chill your beer in the window ledge. I like this proposal too. We save a lot of money we can use for a replacement for Kadri or Marleau, or to buy a 1RHD.

The big question in any trade involving Marleau is if he would be willing to waive his clause. I can only see that happening if the proposed team is a top contender, which I think Nashville is.

I think Kadri buys you one of Fabbro or Tolvanen, but I’m not sure Marleau buys the other. Not when you can probably get a rental of Duchene’s caliber for one of those guys. Marleau might still get a 1st round pick. He does have the extra year left.

How much does this trade diminish our chance for winning this year though? We weaken our 3C. I think if you adjust the lines properly, you don’t weaken the LW with loss of Marleau. I just put Tolvanen 1LW to highlight him. Johnsson would likely play there.

Thanks for the nice compliment Babsocks. Coming from a guy like you that obviously keeps up with the game it’s refreshing to wake up to a few nice words as such. Did you watch any of the games yesterday? I watched the Pittsburgh game and the St. Louis one after. That goalie in St. Louis is outstanding. We should trade for him. Stay safe my friend. And keep warm.

3.) 18 Feb 2019 17:50:39
I like this trade but this is an offseason trade dubas is going to hang on to kadri and Marleau for the playoff run.

4.) 18 Feb 2019 18:20:41
I agree with 1994, this is an offseason trade that I would love to see happen. Maybe we can even add a pick to get Nashville to retain some salary on Bonino so he is in the 3 million range and not the 4 million range.

Also I'm still not sure if Marleau will waive his NMC, but you never know.

5.) 18 Feb 2019 18:24:38
I suspect you are right. But By then Fabbro and Tolvanen might be gone. I guess you have to ask yourself, how much does weakening our 3rd line really hurt our chances at winning it all this year?



17 Feb 2019 03:53:03
Leafs trade Gardiner, Kapanen, 1st (2020)
Sharks trade Dillon, Meier

Why Leafs make this trade: Dillon is heavy hitting RHD we all want, and Meier is an outstanding young LW that will replace Marleau. Leafs would need to shed salary in off season though.

Why SJ makes this trade: Mainly for cost savings so they can re-sign both Karlsson and Pavelski. Dillon is $3.25M right there off the books. And Kapanen will be cheaper to re-sign than Meier. The 1st is enough to close the gap between Meier and Kapanen (I hope)

Meier/ Matthews/ Nylander
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kadri/ (Marleau)
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ Brown
(Moore/ SDR/ Bracco)
(Timashov, Marchment)

Reilly/ Dillon
Muzzin/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ (Hainsey)
*Holl, Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rosen/ Hollowell)
(Gordeev/ Rasanen)


1.) 17 Feb 2019 05:27:55
I just went and researched players dealt. differance between Kap and M are pretty big. M scores more but is a bit slower. Kap will be cheaper so SJ may actually look at his deal as a plus for your reasons. they want to sign existing okayers. gardiner won't be existing as he is ufa. kapanen save 1-2 million as rfa over Meier. Dillon save 3.25.that 4 plus million saving for SJ. so they say yes. Toronto gains this hit but not really. gardiner lost plus players gained equals 1.5 gained next year. marleau becomes skating coach next year. that's a whole new topic.

Overall after breaking down this deal i like your thinkng. the thing i hate is 1st rounder. san jose saves why would toronto think of giving this away. just give them rasanen and all is well. just a thought. do u agree. everything else is great. cheers buddy. outside leafs sucking against crap competition. i love life. have a good one.

2.) 17 Feb 2019 06:17:13
Ps. karlson has sexy legs. lol. tough to say, he wants to play up to standards everyone holds to him. he sounds more irish than swedish. everyday life moulded into his life feels. its been fun watching hockey from down here compared how they view it from up there. means hockey sucks inUS compared to Canada. his wife is from canada and anti bullying sucks. well spoken buddy. we know things up here better then things down there. well spoken you irish swede

God bless.

3.) 17 Feb 2019 16:55:59
1. Dillion is LHD. Guess you forgot bout guys named Karlsson, Burns and Braun as RHD. Good research though, as per usual by you. Sharks top 5 blueline is as good as there is for a team headed to playoffs as a top team. Karlsson, Burns provide O from backend. Dillion, Vlasic and Braun provide D from backend. Gardiner does not improve their current blueline.

2. Meier granted has played more games in NHL then Kapanen and has scored more goals. Sharks keep their own known commodity.

3. If Sharks want to resign both Pavelski and Karlsson I'm sure they will make room to get it done. Maybe some kind of hometown discount for Pavelski. He was born and bred in that organization. He might, considering he will be 35 next year. Which team gives him more? Thornton comes off books next year at 5 mil. No need for 40 year old making anywhere near that kind of money. Giving Kane 7x7 was just dumb. Considering baggage he brings 2-3 years out they will regret it. They better win cup soon to justify him. Can you say cap hell because of his contract and baggage.

In this day of NHL where picks and developing of prospects is so important, it is interesting how people on this site throw 1st rounders around like loose nickels.

Next year's draft suppose to be better then this year overall. Scouts and guys like McKenzie say this year's draft drops significantly after bout 18. Leafs keep their 1st next year especially after giving up this years.

Keep trying. Maybe something will stick for you.

4.) 17 Feb 2019 19:22:14
I don’t know about sexy legs there Craigger, but I do like his long rock star hair. He’s still performing at an elite level, and nhl has him ranked second, behind only his teammate Burns, and one notch ahead of Toronto’s very own finest Morgan Rielly. Really an outstanding player, i'm very curious to see if Sharks re-sign him or not.


You’re right my friend. This proposal was crap. All my proposals are crap. I don’t even know why you read them. I don’t even know why I write them. Oh well. You’re right. I’ll just keep throwing darts at the board and hopefully I get a bullseye one day. Any suggestions on what would improve this trade? Or is it just so 💩 that I should just forget it?

5.) 17 Feb 2019 19:42:04

I don’t think Rasanen is a big enough payment to make up the difference between Kapanen and Meier. As I alluded to in the original proposal, i don’t even think the 1st is to be honest. It’s probably going to be a very late pick after all. Outside the first dozen guys drafted, the odds of a guy making the nhl drops significantly after. It becomes a real crap shoot.

I really appreciate the feedback. You obviously know what you are talking about. Stay safe my friend.


I don’t want to exclude you either in my appreciation of your feedback. You too obviously know a lot about hockey. More than I do. But then again, a brick probably knows more than I do. I’ll keep your suggestions in mind for future. Do more research and stuff like that. So foolish of me not to know Dillon is LHD. D’oh. I don’t know if you are in southern Ontario at all, but if you are, it’s pretty darn cold out today. Make sure you put your longjohns on. You don’t want the boys down below to get cold. Keep well and if you are bored later today, check back and see what’s crap proposal I put up next for you to laugh at.

6.) 17 Feb 2019 20:55:16
This ain't a bad trade, I just don't think it's a Dubas type thing to do, you know what I'm saying?

Also Dubas did say that he doesn't want to trade any more 1st round picks and he has started dialogue with Kappy's agent so I just don't see this trade happening.

It's a great proposal though and maybe if we were a few more years down the road we could see the leafs pull the trigger.

7.) 17 Feb 2019 23:36:05
I know exactly what you’re saying MoStLeaf. It seems like too much for a conservative fellow like Dubas to make.

Leafs are in cash crunch themselves. We might want to pinch a few pennies and keep Kapanen. He’s a poor man’s Nylander.

Speaking of Nylander, Rocket said something in his comment about Kane getting $7x7 and how SJ was going to regret it, and it kinda made me think how much that sounds like Leafs and Nylander.

I like that Meiers. He’s got good size and he has a good shot. I think he’s going to be a real star for SJ. If we are going to trade for him, I expect SJ would be asking for Nylander, not Kapanen.

I don’t think Leafs should be trading their future 1st round picks either. That’s a desperation move. We need to hold those 1sts in case we decide to trade for a rental next year as well. It’s just the smart thing to do in case of injury or other unexpected incidents. Besides that, we can continuebuild around those firsts through drafting and developing.

You rock MostLeaf. I like the way you think. I can see that you are putting real thought into your posts. It’s not just lung-to-tongue. It’s always easy to appreciate someone that takes care to be diligent in their comments. Keep warm buddy.

8.) 18 Feb 2019 18:37:08

You want some of my thoughts ok;

Keep posting, do your research, stop patronizing others by showering them with compliments (not sure if you are even being serious but it does nothing by doing this, its annoying), ask yourself before you post if other team would seriously consider doing before you propose? Seems people on this site just post from a Leafs perspective not asking themselves if other side would seriously consider it. Most of the time it would not start a discussion as you say. Not fun or interesting to read. We can all post fantasy (Leafs trade 7th EDM trades McDavid, might as well all be like that) Was that fun to read? I'm thinking not.

Most everyone on this site is a Leafs fan, me included (yes I live in TO) . Use your imagination but be realistic. This is fun stuff and even more fun when people put some real thought into it. Negotiation is big part of my life. Am I perfect? No. You win some you lose some but over time I come out ahead most times. You have to be in the minds of your "opponent" when negotiating. Think, would the other side seriously consider my proposal before you propose them. There needs to be a realistic starting point. Someone proposes crap to start the other side hangs up or walks away. You are behind before you can continue.

As far as your post, I think Doug Wilson hangs up phone. Would you trade one of their best young forwards with more of a track record then Kapanen and downgrade their blueline, Gardiner for Dillon?

Seems people on this site will want other teams top 3 players and offer 5 leafs/ prospects/ picks and think quantity will win out over quality.

You shown before you can't take criticism. Stop getting your panties in a knot. Stop being so serious and please stop with the over the top patronizing compliments to others. I think you have anointed yourself "the mayor" of this site.



16 Feb 2019 16:04:51
Leafs trade Gardiner
Leafs receive Sanheim

Columbus trades 1st, 2nd
Columbus receives Gardiner

Philadelphia trades Sanheim
Philadelphia receives 1st, 2nd

Columbus gearing up for playoffs is looking for puck moving defenseman. That’s Gardiner. Philadelphia looking to re-build needs picks. Toronto gets RHD they need.


1.) 16 Feb 2019 19:47:03
This actually works. if all 3 teams are on board than this is an awesome deal. good proposal like most of your proposals.

2.) 16 Feb 2019 21:58:24
Craigger. Fantastic. Thanks for the nice words. I really appreciate it. A little kindness and a compliment are always something to brighten the day. And coming from someone such as yourself, someone who obviously knows what they are talking about when it comes to hockey, it carries even more weight. I’m going to have to rub some Preparation H on my head now, it’s so swollen I can’t get my hat on. You just made my day. Not every trade I post is a winner. Lol. It’s impossible to post as many proposals as I do without having a few duds. But I usually put a little thought into my posts anyway. And at minimal, it gets discussion going.

I hope you are having a great day. It’s good hockey weather. Although to be honest, I haven’t skated in a long time myself. I’d probably fall and break a hip. I generally stick to ball hockey these days. And how about you my friend? Do you ever get out there and play still?

I really appreciate the kind words. Respect and manners seem to be a disappearing trait. I know you and I don’t always agree, but you’ve always had the respect to disagree amicably. I really hope you post a proposal later. I always enjoy your posts. Until then my friend, stay safe and keep warm. If you dare go outside you are going to need your woolies today I’m afraid.

3.) 17 Feb 2019 00:47:22
Thanks. right back at you buddy

Lets see 20 years ago i played jr. b. went college route then mid 20s all sr hockey and bit of road hockey for charities and stuff. now not much skating at all but love the game. work family and reality i'm just another canadian who played hockey growing up like everyone else keeps me humble. other than that just love the daily rumors. lol. hope your day keeps going good as well. go leafs go. good bad or ugly just want to see a cup in toronto with my own eyes. was so young for bluejays world series but remember the intensity and passion of every person i knew was unreal. seeing how amazing the city gets when raptors keep winning games and Vladdy insanity and finally having reality hope on the leafs this is a good time to be a toronto sports fans. if it ain't toronto its crap. lol

Have a great night.



15 Feb 2019 05:45:19
Leafs trade Nylander, Brown, Bracco
Arizona trades Galchenyuk, Crouse, Fischer

(Marleau) / Matthews/ Galchenyuk
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kadri/ Kapanen
Crouse/ Gauthier/ Fischer

Gotta love the size of that fourth line.


1.) 15 Feb 2019 12:42:39
Nylander > Galchenyuk

It’s not even close.

2.) 15 Feb 2019 15:57:25
SmileyRielly! Your back? That’s awesome. Anyone who has been on this site a while knows, for fact, that you are without doubt one of the more astute contributors to this site. So, when you tell me that Nylander >> Galchenyuk, I have to take that comment very seriously.

I will counter though that Galchenyuk has one 30 goal year already. And his stats in Arizona are pretty good considering that Arizona is the black hole of the league. It’s the team where hockey players go and disappear. And in Montreal, if I remember correctly, Galchenyuk was used on the second and third lines with guys like Shaw, Byron, Plekanec. All good players, yes, but a far cry from Matthews and Hyman, the two guys Nylander spent his first two years playing with.

But I actually think Nylander is better than Galchenyuk too.
This trade was more about dumping salary and the two bottom line guys that I brought in: Crouse and Fischer. I should have put them up higher in the lineups like I was going to in order to emphasize the fact that they were the real targets.

After seeing how well Strome and Domi are doing in their new homes, you got to wonder if Crouse, and maybe Fischer, could have breakout years on the Leafs? They both have so much talent, I suspect that they are being misused on Arizona and on a better, more offensively capable team like Leafs, these guys would break out?

I should have just focused the trade on the lower guys and skipped the Nylander/ Galchenyuk part as it draws away too much from the guys I was hoping to focus on.

I’m glad you responded SmileyRielly. You really are a very clever man. I’ve always enjoyed your comments and proposals. You absolutely do have an astute mind and keen hockey sense. You really know what you are talking about. What are your thoughts on Crouse and Fischer? Should Leafs take a chance on them? And what would you be willing to offer for them?

3.) 15 Feb 2019 16:09:40
Leafs Gm over 5 million offer sheet Kapanan 4 first round picks in offer sheet. How high would leafs go to match. But I don’t think team will give up four first rounders 4 him.

4.) 15 Feb 2019 17:00:36
Hey david. How’s your day so far? You ask an interesting question here. I was just reading an interview with Dubas, and he was alluding that offer sheets will be making a come back. So we may soon see teams start to make them again. Which brings the question of compensation right to the forefront again.

No team in the league will give up 4 first rounders for Kapanen.

Unlike the Marner situation, Leafs completely have the upper hand in Kapanen’s negotiations. He’s just not worth so much that another team offer sheets him. Anything up to $4M the compensation is only a 2nd round pick. I can see Kapanen being worth about that. Anything between $4M-$6M, the compensation is 1st + 3rd. I can’t see Kapanen being worth more than $4M. So if another team offer sheets him above $4M, Leafs might just take the picks and let another team financially handicap themselves by overpaying for Kapanen.

So basically David, I think Leafs will match any offer sheet less than $4M, as the compensation is only a 2nd. After $4M, the offering team is paying too much, and depending on the team making the offer, that 1st could be very valuable indeed.

I hope you are having a good day David. The weather is crap, but I guess it’s February. What do you expect. Lol. It’s hockey season.

5.) 15 Feb 2019 18:31:15
Leafs gm I’m always in Philippines in winter but this one I stay Canada get into some stocks but November I’m out of here TIL late March. can get nil on iPad so it’s cool take hockey with me.

6.) 15 Feb 2019 20:30:53
Nylander for Galcheynuk? Hey buddy whatever you're smokin' pass some this way.

7.) 15 Feb 2019 21:53:45
The Phillipines David? That’s awesome. Fantastic you’re able to get away from this iceball we call home here in Canada. I love the internet just for the reason you stayed: can get nhl games without having a tv or cable. Because I usually work afternoons, a lot of the time I have to watch the games the next day or whatever, but that’s ok. I can watch them wherever and whenever at my convenience and don’t need to worry about blackouts and such. We usually air the games are the gym, but I can’t hear them or give it my full attention. So recap and replays is the way to go.

You’re a good man David. I enjoy our almost daily chats. As I was saying to Memarcusjoe, same applies to you. You are a smart man and have keen hockey sense. You follow the right team, and even when we don’t agree, you’re not disagreeable, if you know what I’m saying. I love your stuff David. Hope you don’t Ghost this site. Lol.

I’m looking forward to your next proposal. I hope you give me something to think about later today. Lol. Until then, stay safe my friend and keep warm. 😉.

8.) 16 Feb 2019 08:48:36

You nailed it.

Yeah let's trade a top 3/6 forward to get 3 underwhelming players to increase the size of the fourth line? Yup that will get Leafs over the hump of going deep into playoffs.

9.) 18 Feb 2019 18:49:21
I am not opposed to the players you selected but I just don’t like changing something that’s not broken. Lindholm- goat- brown has been great. That’s two capable 4 C’s with Moore and Ennis ready step in if needed. I think if we improve our forward group it has to be a top 6 LW to play with Matthews so that Marleau can play with Kadri again. Reduced work load and they did well in the past. Marleau isn’t keeping up as well as did last year. God love him but he’s a middle six forward leaning more toward third line.




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20 Feb 2019 19:10:43
Carolina is stuffed with defensemen. They would have to sit somebody if they bring in two and only trade one. Who would they be sitting in press box? MostLeaf is right. They want forwards. And I imagine they would be interested in someone with a bit more substance than Brown.




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20 Feb 2019 19:06:44
I wouldn’t expect Leafs to re-sign any of those guys anyway. That’s why try are called rentals. I don’t know how much Detroit would want Gardiner. We are probably better off keeping him ourselves than trading him for any of those guys. got to agree with MostLeaf regarding Zuccarelo. Besides, if you’re bringing in Nyquist, how much need do we have for yet another forward?




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20 Feb 2019 18:58:12

I agree with you. I don’t think Leafs should be dipping in to next year’s picks yet either. We should be holding that until next year when we know what our needs then will be.
Maybe instead of the 1st we could give a combination of players/ prospects? What do you think MostLeaf?


I didn’t want to trade Gardiner for Barrie because I was wanting to keep him for this year’s playoff run. Trading Gardiner for Barrie doesn’t really improve us significantly enough to make the trade worthwhile. A package of picks let's us keep our top 50 defenseman, who is very valuable and good to have as insurance against injury to Rielly.




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20 Feb 2019 16:25:03
I don’t know if the other teams would go for these props or not. If they did, it’s a no-brainer for Leafs. Ritchie has managed to carve out a pretty good career for himself in a checking role. He would look good beside Kadri. And he’s got a pretty decent contract to boot.




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20 Feb 2019 16:22:58
Looks good to me. Florida looking to trade these guys both. They want to clear cap space, and this trade most definitely accomplished that. Neither of these guys is going to drag us to the finals on their own, but they give depth. We only lose Brown off the current roster, so I fail to see how this trade can harm us in any way.





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