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19 Oct 2018 06:56:46
Leafs trade Nylander
Vegas trades Glass, Hague, Holden

Very similar to the Brayden Schenn deal. This trade is very much about the future and dumping salary for long term cap and asset management.

Substituting all futures in their respective places

2019/ 2020 lineups

(Marleau) / Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Glass/ (Leivo)

Reilly/ Holden
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Hague/ Liljegren
(Sandin/ Rasanen)




18 Oct 2018 18:06:48
Leafs trade Kadri, Nylander
Florida trades Barkov, Pysyk, 1st

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Lindholm/ Barkov/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ Leivo

Rielly/ Pysyk
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)


1.) 18 Oct 2018 19:39:05
As a leaf fan this would be dreamland, but absolutely no way they trade Barkov. he's their best player, and have seen some rating him as a top10 centre in tr NHL. Teo wat skills are similar to Bergeron, and has been put in a valur class similar to Matthews. Floridaeasily declines, probably even if it was just Kadri/ Nylander for Barkov.

2.) 18 Oct 2018 20:11:33

Well u know me. Nylander signs long term for $7m. Together $11.5 for he and Kadri. $8.6 coming back. So $3m savings. Barkov good for 4 years and big body who can score. Pysyk good for 2 years and defensive so like that. Love the 1st rounder. If they went for I'd be all over it.

3.) 18 Oct 2018 21:19:19

I don’t see Florida trading their Captain any time soon either Would love to have Barkov, and he’s got a good contract. But feel he would be underutilized on our third line.


I actually had you in mind when I posted this. Lol. It was as much about dumping salary as bringing in a couple good players. Pysyk would be plug until Liljegren is ready. Barkov would be a good cheap replacement for Kadri.

Too bad Florida wouldn’t make this trade.

4.) 18 Oct 2018 21:53:12
Yeah I kind of figured lol.



16 Oct 2018 21:44:56
Leafs trade Marleau
San Jose trades Pavelski

San Jose is about to enter cap hell themselves. Even with Thornton coming off the books, I’m not sure how they plan on re-signing Pavelski, Karlsson, Meier, plus all the other free agents (they have 11 not including Thornton) . So rather than risk losing Karlsson or Pavelski for nothing, they bring in Marleau for a year. Karlsson is the new captain.


1.) 16 Oct 2018 22:06:32
Well I see your point, but I don’t think Marleau’s 6.25 mill is going to help the sharks and I dought he waives his NMC until next year if he ever does waive it.

2.) 16 Oct 2018 22:33:16

What about we just trade Marleau next summer for Pavelski’s rights and a 7th? Then just not re-sign Pavelski?

It sounds strange, but it’s a cap dump. Marleau is the obvious choice to drop salary anywhere if we can. His contract is just one year too long. And it was a Lou signing, not Dubas.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 22:53:31

No point in trading for Pavelski’s rights and 7th and then not re-signing him. D’OH. 😂🤪 What was I thinking? I’m grasping at straws here. Come on mostleaf, help me out.

So do you think it is feasible to make a trade with SJ involving Marleau mostleaf?

How about Marleau to Vegas for Holden? Assuming Marleau accepts that is?

4.) 17 Oct 2018 04:00:50
2019/ 2020

You can argue a million or two here and there, but these numbers are reasonably close.

Marleau (6.25)/ Matthews (13)/ Nylander (7) = 26.25
Hyman (2.25)/ Tavares (11)/ Marner (9) = 22.25
Johnsson (1)/ Kadri (4.5)/ Kapanen (2.5) = 8
Leivo (1)/ Lindholm (1)/ Brown (2) = 4
Ennis (1)/ Gauthier (1)= 2

Total Forwards = 62.5

Rielly (5)/ Liljegren (1) = 6
Dermott (1)/ Zaitsev (4.5) = 5.5
Sandin (1)/ Ozhiganov (1) = 2
Holl (1)

Total Defense = 14.5

Andersen = 5
Sparks = 1.5

Total Goalies = 6.5

Kessel = 1

TOTAL 2019/ 2020 = 84.5

So where do we drop salary?

Marleau is the obvious choice.

Otherwise, we have to make a very difficult decision in trading one or more of Hyman, Kadri, Brown, Kapanen, Zaitsev.

5.) 17 Oct 2018 04:05:12
As you said before, San Jose has a major cap crunch coming, Thornton is gone for sure, probably Meier as well, so I just don’t think San Jose takes this trade because of that.
I don’t think Marleau will waive his NMC unless it’s to go to San Jose, although Vegas is kind of in a weird boat because who wouldn’t want to retire there, it would be awesome
If the leafs do move Marleau, it won’t be until next year and only if they can’t afford him and he is willing to waive his NMC, otherwise I think we’re stuck with him.

6.) 17 Oct 2018 11:04:28
Those numbers look good. The problem is Hortons contract puts Leafs close to 90 million and his contract can't be put on LTIR until start of year. The only way the leafs can fit everyone under cap by game 1 is if either Matthews or Marner skip pre season and sign as season starts thus enabling leafs to use Horton LTIR. even dealing Marleaus contract alone can't help this situation. sorry.

7.) 17 Oct 2018 15:22:23
Actually Craigger, my understanding is that if Leafs provide evidence that Horton won’t be playing next season, then Horton doesn’t count against cap:

LTIR only starts at seasons start, but we are allowed to be 10% over the cap for the summer. LTIR is also allowed to be used on top of the 10% over during the off-season as long as the team can provide doctors proof that the player will remain injured and on LTIR for atleast 10 games (24 days) once the season starts. That wouldn’t be an issue for the leafs with Horton. So they will have near $12 mill space over the cap whole working out contracts with Mitch and Matthews.

Marleau is the real issue. He’s gumming everything up.

8.) 17 Oct 2018 16:24:14
@LeafsGM you’re numbers may be close but you are missing Horton’s salary. Don’t ask me to give you a number to go on, but his LTIR hit which is determined by some formula, and is based on when the team placed him on LTIR, allows the Leafs to spends a few million over the cap.

It would come close to allowing the team to have Marleau play for a 50% rebate perhaps more? So he’s only worth say $3 million.




16 Oct 2018 03:35:14
If Nylander comes back, what do you think about:

Leafs trade Kapanen, 1st, ? (pick/ prospect)
Philly trades Simmonds, Frost

I really feel Leafs need to add, but not sure who or what else to throw in. Suggestions are needed and welcomed

Marleau/ Matthews/ Nylander
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Simmonds
(Leivo) / Gauthier/ Brown

I went for the prospect Frost instead of a defense prospect just because I think we need a good center prospect to develop over the next few years to replace Kadri if we choose to move on. Just keeping it fresh so we aren’t debating the same old same old.



1.) 16 Oct 2018 10:53:57
It's not a bad suggestion. Keep Nylander. Trade Kapanen when his value is at all time high. Get gif power forward who always has great first 35 games but then tends to slump towards end of year. Pretty good C prospect who very well could replace a Kadri in 4 years then replace Taveras in 7 years. good thinking

Think leafs need to add Bracco and a 2nd Rd pick at minimum. anyone else have an opinion on this?

2.) 16 Oct 2018 14:35:08
Doesn’t sound like you’re too keen on Simmonds Craigger. A pending UFA who wouldn’t be coming back, we can do without him. Frost was the real target. A Soo kid, so Dubas would be high on him. Outstanding performance last couple years in OHL. Could turn into the next Barzal if Philly ever let him go.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 18:31:06
I don't know if the Leafs need to add, Simmonds is a rental and Willy's value is still high. The only thing working against him is his contract demands, and if you really dig into it they make sense. If he does develop into an elite playmaker and goal-scorer, 8M will be a bargain based on market value. That's what a salary cap is all about at the end of the day, stopping teams from stock-piling talent to the point where it's not fair for other teams.

4.) 16 Oct 2018 19:54:43
I’m not sure I’m reading your post right. It sounds like you thought I traded Willy, but I actually traded Kapanen here. But it’s ok. I get your point.

Simmonds as a rental makes some sense if Leafs wanted to go that route, but with Nylander, Marner, Brown down the RW, we would be better to trade Kapanen to find a defenseman.

Kapanen’s value is at a max right now and if Nylander returns, trading off RW, which is area of strength, to bring in futures is all I’m getting at here. Keeps cap low and keeps our prospect pipeline full of talent.

5.) 16 Oct 2018 20:53:16
How can you say kapenan is at his max right now. You've only seen him perform in the top six for 4 games. And yes he's getting the Matthew's effect, but kapanen back checks, pks and does everything nylander doesn't. His value is going to end up being more than nylanders.

6.) 17 Oct 2018 03:48:10
@LeafsGM lmao totally misread that somehow.

Leafs maybe would need to add. Granted Kapanen's racking up points right now, but I don't think GMs around the league are confused as to why.



15 Oct 2018 04:44:50
So, here’s my thoughts: we offer Nylander a front loaded contract: years 1-4@$10M, followed by years 5-8@$4M. AAV = $7M.

Why Nylander does this:

He gets long term deal close to what he wants. The front loaded contract acts as NTC, as nobody is going to want to pay Nylander $10M unless he really steps up his game and starts hitting 25+ goals and 80+ points a year consistently (in which case, we get our money’s worth and won’t trade him anyway) .

Why Leafs do this:

They get Nylander at a price close to what they want. And at the same time, leave open the possibility of trading him the second half of his contract should they ever desire to do so for whatever reason.

It’s a hard negotiation. And if what Jodes says below is true, that Leafs are wanting to bridge Nylander at 4x$5M, then Nylander may as well start packing his bags now. Because they are way too far apart to reach agreement.

It’s just one possibility that I haven’t heard anyone else discuss yet. I mean, somethings got to give here. If you think $7M AAV is too high, just lower years 1-4 to $9M and AAV is $6.5, which seems pretty reasonable to most people on this site.


1.) 15 Oct 2018 05:29:48
Honestly sick of this guy but here goes

He is likely worth in the range of $7m on a long term contract so your numbers work

Interesting ntc comment. Players can't have until they are Ufa's but honestly if the cap hit is $7m and a team wants him, those teams with money likely won't care about the higher first years

Leafs front office better be thinking about all this right and I'm sure they are. But if they do indeed do long term contracts, they will have 4 players making somewhere around $38m or over 45% of the cap.

I think he gets bridged to buy time. Who knows.

2.) 15 Oct 2018 15:50:12
So as posted, this suggestion wouldn’t work because CBA only allows a 35% variation in salary year to year. So the concept works, but the numbers have to be changed is all. Start at $12M, $11, $10, etc. The idea remains the same.

I agree with you Jodes, a bridge contract is probably best, and everyone knows this, but Nylander and his agent are holding out for long term.

It’s important that Dubas walks a firm line here. If he caves on Nylander, he caves on Matthews and Marner. Rumor is Matthews camp is already in discussions. They want to get him signed before July 1st so no one can offer sheet him. If he takes what appears to be a team friendly deal before Nylander extends, then peer pressure may be enough to get Nylander back down to reality.




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18 Oct 2018 23:15:13
I’m not saying it was a bad trade. I was just wondering what you saw in him to a) trade for him to begin with, and b) to put him on the top line.

You never know. He’s got 5 goals and 8 points in 9 NHL games played. He could be a real sleeper that turns out well. Wouldn’t be the first time a 3rd rounder turned out to be a real stud. I like his size. You’re right about that.




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18 Oct 2018 21:19:19

I don’t see Florida trading their Captain any time soon either Would love to have Barkov, and he’s got a good contract. But feel he would be underutilized on our third line.


I actually had you in mind when I posted this. Lol. It was as much about dumping salary as bringing in a couple good players. Pysyk would be plug until Liljegren is ready. Barkov would be a good cheap replacement for Kadri.

Too bad Florida wouldn’t make this trade.




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18 Oct 2018 19:38:05
Ok. What are you seeing in Foegele that i'm not? To be honest, I’ve never seen him play, so relying entirely on stats and online scouting/ analyst reports. He’s a big kid, plays a decent game, off to a good start (Carolina looks good so far), but he’s doesn’t have a lot of experience, and would probably be a depth player on Leafs unless he really breaks out.

Am I missing something?




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18 Oct 2018 06:22:22
I agree with you Jodes: it’s always fun to play around with the roster and numbers and post things just to get a reaction from others. Good or bad, I post anything that even is somewhat based in reality, even when I know I’m going to get heat. Somebody usually says something that you can keep in mind for later.

You got to keep trying and have a thick skin and have fun. That’s why we all joined. Keep up the good work. We need more guys like you on this site to encourage others. We only have a small community of regular contributors right now. A few more wouldn’t hurt. It’s guys like you who keep this site going.




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18 Oct 2018 06:16:41
The first trade is unnecessary because Leafs don’t need to dump Horton’s salary and Arizona won’t be taking on any more bad contracts just to meet cap floor. You would be giving up too much for a cap dump here anyway.

The second trade looks more reasonable, but Oilers definitely say no to losing an entire line of defense for Nylander + picks/ prospects. Klefbom kinda sucks imo anyway.

The third trade would never happen. I personally think Zaitsev is worth more than a third. For comparison, Oleksiak, who is nowhere as good as Zaitsev, got traded for a third.

I like the players you’ve suggested here, and your lineups are good. I think it’s a big step in the right direction.





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