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20 Nov 2018 23:50:24
I’m going to do this just for fun.

To Arizona: Austin Matthews, jake gardiner

To Toronto: OEL, crouse, chukchyrn (sp? ) 1st 2020

Again, this is just for fun. in no way do I think we should, just wanted something for people to chew on.

Bettsy

1.) 21 Nov 2018 00:47:54
Bettsy! Have you lost your brain 🧠? My god. Any trade involving Jake Gardiner is usually a good trade. But you have found a way to break that truism in spectacular fashion.

OEL has to be one of the most overrated players in the game (entirely my opinion) . His contract is crippling, and will be the exact contract both Gardiner and Rielly will use in their negotiations against the Leafs.

Crouse is a bust. And Chychrun is injury prone. He’s definitely not the next Duncan Keith. I know Matthew’s is injury prone too. Maybe affects his value come contract negotiations. I don’t know. You tell me.

Trading Matthews for half of Arizona’s team doesn’t make sense imo. I mean, these guys haven’t done anything for Coyotes. What makes you think they are going to do any better here?


2.) 21 Nov 2018 01:07:08
Not a bad trade value wise. I mean it is for fun. hate to ever lose Matthews. but for one moment let's take a step back and start to think of things in a plausible fashion.

Leafs unable to come to a mid season conclusion in negotiating with Matthews. Arizona steps in and offer sheets him 14 plus million. this may happen and in end leafs get what 4 1st rounders and a 2nd due to that amount on offer sheet . so let's go through this deal. jake Gardiner is UFA and will fetch a 1st round pick or a 2nd and prospect.

OEL . great dman and on open markets gets arizona a 1st,2nd,2 prospects
Crouse . ok big LW gets Arizona a 2nd or roster player and prospect
Chycrun. good LHD gets Arizona 1st and prospectłf
1st Rd top 15 pick after this deal. possible top 5

Matthews due to age and talent is worth this package by himself, heck the value of him in Arizona without them spending 14 million to do so could be worth Strome on top of everything here

Gardiner unsigned is worth another 1st. however, signed add in Hayton.

That's just my opinion. after all it's for fun.


3.) 21 Nov 2018 03:48:41
Oh come on Craigger. You’re not selling this to me.

We get back OEL, who is just a rich man’s Jake Gardiner. We absolutely cannot afford $8M to OEL and atill re-sign Rielly. And if I had to choose between OEL and Rielly, it would be Rielly. Crouse is a bust. No doubt about that. And usually I would say it’s too early to call chychrun a bust. But, since it’s Arizona, there’s a good chance he’s a bust too.

So two busts and an overpaid OEL? For Matthews? Forget it. The 1st makes it interesting. Could be top 5. That alone would make this trade catch attention.


4.) 21 Nov 2018 05:32:20
I said leafs would have to add. Strome, hayton and a 1st rounder which would be a 2019.,

OEL, Strome, crouse, chycrun, hayton,2019 1st,2020 1st. that's 7 assets for 2.

I say no. still. but benefit of this being fun, IF and only IF we talking Matthews to Arizona I'd rather this return than a simple offer sheet return. that's all I was saying.

In the end no. your points were as good as I could say it but I was just trying to justify that all in fun stuff. lol.


5.) 21 Nov 2018 05:44:06
Hey LeafsGM, let me start off again by saying I would never support a deal like that nor do I believe it would ever happen. I’m More or less wondering what a deal involving Matthews would look like. Simply wondering. Would adding Keller be worth it? Maybe go big with another team? I’m just inviting for fun.


6.) 21 Nov 2018 17:05:10
Maybe after you add in Strome, Hayton and the 1st like Craigger says.

If Arizona were to offer sheet Matthews, the return is 4c1st round picks. Coming from a team like Arizona, that may actually be something to consider, as those four first round picks will all likely be top 5 picks. OEL, Crouse, Strome, Chychrun, those guys Arizona can keep. They haven’t done anything in Arizona, and I doubt they do anything here. We can draft our own busts thank you. Lol.

The only reason to consider trading Matthews is his recent injury history and for cost savings. $12-$14M a year buys some pretty damn good players. I mean, would you rather have two guys equivalent to Pasternak on the team plus still have a handful of first round picks, or one Auston Matthews? Tough call.


 

 

29 Oct 2018 21:31:44
Just a quick one
To Toronto: pesce and gauthier
To Carolina: Nylander and this years first.

Bettsy

1.) 30 Oct 2018 04:18:44
That's not even enough for just Nylander.


2.) 30 Oct 2018 05:25:45
I don’t see the point in trading the 1st for Gauthier. Carolina needs forward prospect players, and if they traded Gauthier for a 1st, they would just have to redraft someone for Gauthiers position. Seems redundant to me.

Nylander for Pesce is good. If you want to trade the pick for another prospect player, I would recommend either Fleury or Bean. Both are cheap and are low on a very deep Carolina defensive depth chart. They would fill in gaps on Leafs team with Gardiner and Hainsey both leaving after this year.


3.) 30 Oct 2018 23:41:49
Leafs give up far too much in Gauthier and a 1st for Esce and Gauthier.
Nylander and Leivo or a 2nd should be more than sufficient.

For Nylander and a 1st Leafs receive Pesce and Necas!


4.) 31 Oct 2018 00:02:12
What is the infatuation with Gauthier on this site? He’s big. And that’s about all he is. Unimpressive at AHL level so far and can’t crack Carolina’s lineup should tell you something. We don’t need wingers.


5.) 31 Oct 2018 04:43:19
Frederik Gauthier and Josh Leivo should be demoted to the AHL or traded for low end draft picks because they both suck the bag!


 

 

29 Oct 2018 21:26:54
Just a thought on two trades I had in mind.
To Edmonton: 7th round pick and a contract
To Toronto: kassian
I can stomach the stupid penalties. We need toughness up front

To Toronto: Crouse
To Arizona: levio and a second or third rounder
See above reason.

It really was great to watch Toronto beat Winnipeg the other night but the fatal flaw we all saw was they cannot match their size/ toughness. In a seven game series we would be outmatched. These really aren’t costing us much.

I’ll add another just for fun.
To Toronto: gudbranson
To Vancouver: a second rounder and two b prospects (a la bracco etc) .
Again, give us toughness but also a controllable contract.

What do you guys think?

Bettsy

1.) 30 Oct 2018 04:50:35
Crouse for Leivo is a yes. As I understand he’s been seeing time on Arizona’s top line here and there, though for what reasons, I’m not entirely sure. He’s got two goals so far. A change of scenery would probably do both these guys good.

Kassian is a definite no. He sucks and costs too much. We already have enough depth guys that can do the sameness job for 1/ 3 the cost. We don’t need to dump a contract because we are o my sitting at 44/ 50 right now. Plenty of cap space and contract room for us to add rentals and not take on anyone else’s garbage.


2.) 30 Oct 2018 05:30:40
Didn’t see the Gudbranson trade tucked away down there. Gudbranson’s contract is horrible. It really is. You’re giving up too much for a great big pylon that yes, he can fight and bring toughness, but sucks in every other way.

If you’re already bringing in Kassian (sucks) and Crouse (probable bust), then we definitely wouldn’t need Gudbranson (definite bust) anyway. That boat anchor contract of his would make life very difficult for Dubas as well.


3.) 30 Oct 2018 11:44:07
Leivo at least has some toughness. Trade a player like Brown for Crouse.

In regards to Gudbranson he should be cheaper than that to acquire. He has not done well.


4.) 30 Oct 2018 19:06:56
I agree, the Leafs need more sandpaper. I previous listed a Reeves for Johnasson (sp) . I believe you have the right idea. The best trade would be Wilson for Brown and a 2nd. Probably not enough on the leafs part.


5.) 31 Oct 2018 00:03:13
All those guys suck. Why not just bring back Tucker and Domi? They would get just as many points and probably bash more skulls than all those guys combined.


 

 

25 Sep 2018 21:40:17
How about a simple deal
To Calgary: Conner brown/ levio and a third
To Toronto: andersson

Simple deal moving a strength for a weakness for both teams. That gives Toronto the chance to move kap up the lineup and gives a dman with potential to slot into the lineup.

Bettsy

1.) 25 Sep 2018 23:27:52
Leafs don’t need more depth defence, we already have the best depth defence in the league, Anderson will just be replaced by Liljgren so no point in doing that.


2.) 25 Sep 2018 22:13:46
Seems like an overpayment for the prospect Andersson. It weakens is for next year because we lose Brown and Leivo of the current roster and don’t bring anyone in.

Brown is an NHL now player, who immediately contributes. Along with Leivo and a third seems like a bit much for the second round pick Andersson, who is still a few years away from making Leafs, if ever, and would be limited to 3RHD behind Liljegren and Zaitsev.


3.) 26 Sep 2018 13:39:16
@bettsy if the '/ ' implies Brown OR Leivo, then we're cookin now. I think Nylander's holdout has been a real positive for Leivo as he's looked fairly capable in a top 9 role and could be increasing his trade value. Should the holdout continue, Leivo has two more full games next to Kadri. A few points in those games could go a long way towards making him an attractive trade piece. Leivo, Pickard and a 3rd could be enough to bring in Anderson if Leivo keeps showing up and starts putting ticks on the scoresheet.


 

 

25 Sep 2018 20:42:21
I’ll throw out a balls to the wall idea
To Edmonton: nylander, brown and sparks and a second
To Toronto: puliyarvi (completely binged that), nurse.

Bettsy

1.) 25 Sep 2018 22:19:10
I like Nylander for Nurse. So Brown, Sparks, and 2nd for Puljujärvi works for me. I like the size of both these guys. And Puljujärvi has a lot of potential that I don’t think is being used properly in Edmonton. Puljujärvi would look good beside either Matthews or Tavares.


2.) 25 Sep 2018 22:20:38
Leafs would need to add a capable dman to replace Nurse. possibly Gardiner.


3.) 25 Sep 2018 22:24:01
I like Nurse, not so sure about Pulley.


4.) 25 Sep 2018 23:26:33
We don’t need Nurse, he is LH and we need a RHD so leafs say no.


5.) 26 Sep 2018 02:13:01
@mostleaf

Saying we don’t need Nurse because he’s LHD is like saying we don’t need McDavid because he is a center.

@Bismark

I think it’s too early to call Puljujärvi a bust. I find it hard to believe that Edmonton manages to keep drafting bust after bust after bust. It seems a rather awkward fact that Hall has his breakout year after being traded. It is very possible Puljujärvi isn’t being used properly and has the potential to be the steal of this trade.


 

 

 

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13 Dec 2018 19:02:23
I love it but it would cost a bunch more to get them.

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21 Nov 2018 22:56:49
I love it. That carter hart may be the best goalie prospect since price. Love his game. We may need to add a bit but that is a deal I would take to the bank every day.

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21 Nov 2018 05:44:06
Hey LeafsGM, let me start off again by saying I would never support a deal like that nor do I believe it would ever happen. I’m More or less wondering what a deal involving Matthews would look like. Simply wondering. Would adding Keller be worth it? Maybe go big with another team? I’m just inviting for fun.

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20 Nov 2018 23:28:07
Love it.

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20 Nov 2018 18:41:40
No? Maybe I’m in the minority here but I don’t think savard is that good. Love Anderson. Love Jenner but we need the best player coming back to be a Dman. I would do this deal but I’d add what it takes to get Murray instead of savard. Probably just a personal choice. This kind of a deal gives Toronto to let gardener walk st the end of the year.

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