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11 Jul 2017 18:08:08
I'm reading the Penguins are looking to trade 22 yrs LHD Olli Maatta and his $4.083 for 5 more years and they are talking to Toronto. Would the Pens be thinking that Tyler Bozak (and a 3rd pick) could take the spot of Nick Bolino? (he signed for 4.1 mil per yr x 4yrs in Nashville)
That would make Jake Garndiner (4.05mil) expendable when his contract is up after the 2018-19 season.
1.) 11 Jul 2017 22:10:10
Gardiner is better.
2.) 12 Jul 2017 18:32:00
Toronto is not in a situation where they need to over pay or be desperate in a Bozak to Pitts trade situation. Pens want to stay on top and remain contenders, so let them over pay for the services of another player.
3.) 13 Jul 2017 23:42:54
Pitt wouldn't give up Maata in the Kessel trade and they already are thin on the backside. Don't see Maata going anywhere TBH.
30 May 2017 16:04:50
Predators got killed in the faceoff circle last night. They need to add depth to their center because their top two centermen were less than 40%. I know Johansson is there number one and he's out with injury but they need a guy like Bozak who finished 6th last year in faceoffs. After the expansion draft
Toronto trades Tyler Bozak
Predators trade Dante Fabbro
I don't think Toronto would miss a beat and there won't be many teams that could match Toronto's top three lines.
Hymen - Matthews - Kapanen
JVR - Nylander - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Rychel - Boyle/Moore - Shoshnikov
1.) 30 May 2017 20:01:47
Did you not know that Ryan Johansen got injured? They don't Bozak.
2.) 30 May 2017 20:31:31
Need*.
3.) 31 May 2017 01:24:50
Babcock has gone on record that Nylander is playing wing in the foreseeable future. Nice idea though. We all know JVR and/ or Bozak are going to get traded.
4.) 31 May 2017 22:20:02
I did say that Johansen was out with an injured.
All that I was trying to say is that I see the Predators are having the same problem the Edmonton had. McDavid and Draisaitl could not win a face off to save their life and then they spent the rest of their shifts (45 seconds) skating around, trying to get the puck back. (A wasted shift)
5.) 01 Jun 2017 01:49:36
He pretty clearly addressed that Johansen's Goatson. As for the trade Bozak would make sense as Fisher is 36 and a pending UFA. Preds have bunch of RFA's to resign. Not sure about the value given the Hanzal trade as a contrast. Might be some other pieces to the packages.
25 May 2017 21:17:02
I have seen a couple Mock Drafts where Timothy Liljegren is take TB at 14. I would love to see Toronto jump up to 13 and grab him. Winnipeg is in a tough will likely lose Tyler Myers in the expansion draft. Would you trade
Toronto JVR & 1st (17 OA)
Winnipeg Tyler Myers & 1st (13 OA which is used on Timothy Liljegren)
1.) 25 May 2017 23:19:25
I'm out of the 5'10" - 6'0" d-men. BODY MOVING d-men are what we need. And don't tell me small guys can do what Chara can. big d-men are better by far in your own end. except for Phanuef.
2.) 26 May 2017 02:39:45
I actually really like this trade. Works great for both teams but only if Liljegren is still available at 13th which I think is doubtful. I think Winnipeg fans would be happy with this as well.
3.) 26 May 2017 03:06:53
The NHL is changing. It ain't easy to find yourself a big body mobile defencemen. Aslong as they're good skaters, height doesn't matter. What's the difference between a D man who's 6 foot 2, 200 pounds and Travis dermott who's 5-11 215?
4.) 26 May 2017 03:25:32
He's been facing some serious injuries though, our LITR is already full and we don't need another frequent visitor.
Although he's young and can still make a good impact. I think there are better options out there if the leafs are going to move JVR to get that defenceman they need.
Not to mention his cap hit is 5.5M, and he isn't even a top pairing D.
I do agree he's the kind of D the Leafs need though. Just wish he was cheaper and healthier.
5.) 26 May 2017 11:24:32
You do know that Myers is like 6'6".
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29 May 2017 22:19:25
When it comes time for the expansion draft, Las Vegas will look at each team unprotected players list and will have to decide between what players holds the most value to them. If it's a forward that's the best play available to them, take him. If it comes down to a Dman and forward, they will take the Dman. I can see Las Vegas taking as many a 10 NHL caliber (top 4 or 5 rated Dman on their team) Dman. We all know Dman have more value than forwards and Las Vegas will trade some of them to teams for draft picks. I believe this is where Toronto will pick up the Dman they need.
Teams like ANA (Manson), Min (Brodin), NSH (Ellis), WIN (Myers) will trade them away before they would lose them for nothing. But maybe guys like guys like NYI DeHaan, FLA Petrovic or Pysyk (both are RHD), Davidson MTL (he was injuried last year but he's a good RHD).
Everyone knows that Toronto needs a defenseman but they are also weak at center. If all the good D-man they like in the draft are gone (like Foote), they might have Klim Kostin fall into their laps. He is 6'3' and can play center. If he didn't hurt his should this year, he would have been a top 10 talent and I think he would be a steal at the 17th pick. Just another option because everyone is talking defense.
1.) 02 Jun 2017 00:55:12
True. I really think Lou and Hunter draft a defender or the best available player (depending on who is available) . Hopefully the best player is a RHD.
2.) 06 Jun 2017 01:20:22
If Vegas thinks about it. Most of the forwards they will get will middle 6 or worse. The goalies will be great. But the Dmen is where they can make a huge win.
If Vegas refused to make deals to protect other teams Dmen, then the other teams will be forced to trade them away if they can. The problem is there is only 4 teams that can add a Dman and that's the Leafs, the Yotes, the Canes, and the Blues.
If the four hold fast and wait until just before the Edraft; the prices should plummet. Vegas meanwhile will receive nothing from these four teams and may want to make a deal ahead of time, which frees the four up to make more deals with desperate teams.
After the four are done. Vegas is free to pillage by making deals with desperate teams for picks or just picking the best Dman available from that team. That will be 13 quality Dmen. Eight or so of which to move for picks, prospects, or players on Jan. 1st 2018 or better still at the deadline.
At least that's my theory.
Prediction the Leafs will come away with a RH Dmen at a steal price.
01 Mar 2017 18:15:57
Going into this year, the Toronto's bass said "we are going to stay the course and we want to be competitive come March and I thought they were dreaming. They have done great and will learn a lot fighting for a playoff spot or in the first round. Has the early success gone to their heads. I hope they don't make the same mistake they made when they took Boston to game 7 and thought they could trade their way to the cup. The brass should not forget their defence suck and the farm system is not in the top 10 in the league. (none of their prospects are rated as first line or top pairing D). I don't see them having the assets to fix their defence without robbing from there future. If they use up those assets now, they won't have them for when they are knocking on the cups down.
I really like what Vancouver has done and wished Toronto could have gotten in on that action. Trading for Jonathan Dahlen for 35 yr washed up Alex Burrows was crazy! We have JVR, Bozak, Komarov Boyle, Hunwick, Polak, Marincin and 13 million in cap space to bring in some assets for the future. I say keep couple of the forwards and ditch all the D for whatever you can get. Don't fail me now Lou. Times a wasting! haha
27 Feb 2017 23:04:39
Toronto acquired Brian Boyle, an impending unrestricted free agent, from the Tampa Bay Lightning Monday in exchange for forward Byron Froese and a second-round draft pick in 2017.
WHAT HAPPEN TO STAYNG THE COURSE LOU?
I don't get it! Your defence sucks and you make a deal for a center who is going to be a UFA this summer. I don't mind losing Froese but that second round pick is like money in the bank. A player we can trade when we have a chance to win the cup. Not just get invited to the dance! Bad move in my mind.
1.) 28 Feb 2017 01:00:21
We had 3 second round picks. They are only a crap shoot anyways, especially as low as that one will be.
Boyle brings balance, experience and leadership to a young leafs squad. Maybe Matthews will learn how to take a faceoff. He will also show the kids how to play in the playoffs.
It is staying the course because, like you said, he's an UFA in the summer. There are 0 long term repurcussions, unless that second is used to find a gem.
Froese was only traded to have a contract going back the other way, he has no value.
This was a solid trade and one that will help the leafs now and in the future. We won't know who won until that second is picked.
2.) 28 Feb 2017 01:39:43
Good trade for the Leafs. They had a big hole at centre and filled it with a guy that makes the 4th line much better. Can also play up the lineup if injuries occur (4C to 2C) and the wing. The rebuild has exceeded schedule and the Leafs have jumped into the top 12 in the league. No sense to wasting a year of cheap contracts. Give the kids some playoff experience, you can't buy that.
Don't think Lou is done yet and I can see them replacing that second and maybe more by moving players like Polak, Hunwick, Smith and some Marlies. The smart move now is to sigh Boyle to an extension (2.5M/ for 2 years) to give themselves time to develop a centre or 2.
3.) 28 Feb 2017 18:43:11
I like Boyle as a player and IF Toronto was a contender for the cup, I would say good move. But we all know they are not and if you thing so, your just kidding self. To win in any sport, you need to play DEFENCE! Toronto has shown this year that they just DON'T have the horse to play defence. They are the horse race while riding a donkey! Making the playoff is great and the kids will get to first hand just what it takes to win the playoffs. Trading Froese is no big lose but that 2nd round pick COULD BE (I know it's a crap shoot) another bullet in our gun.
4.) 28 Feb 2017 22:06:45
Adding Boyle isn't about winning the cup this year. It's about giving our young players a role model while in the playoffs. Maximizing this opportunity and thus making the team better in the years to come. I hope he gets extended for another year or two.
We have a plethora of prospects, picks and everything a rebuilding team could hope for. Trading one second pick is a drop in the bucket, especially when your return is this good. You are correct, we need to upgrade our d. That is as simple as playing Hunlak less (or not at all) and playing marchenko and Marincin.
To upgrade our d via trade it will mean trading more significant pieces. We need help through the draft but, that isn't going to bring an NHL level 1-2 dman for years. If we're going to trade for a top 4 we need to do it now, while the kids are cheap and we have the cap space.
Reilly is 22 and in his 4th NHL season, he hasn't even had this break out season yet. It's coming and it's going to be amazing. Gardiner, though defensively enept, appears to be breaking out this year, at 27. Carrick, zaitsev and Marincin are all young and inexperienced in the NHL, they will get better. Carrick especially.
Upgrading our d doesn't necessarily mean trading assets, it's just going to take time. Our top 4 is composed of 4 young dman who have yet to hit their potential. Or just hit in Gardiner case. D develop much slower than forwards, if we keep Rielly-Zaitsev and Gardiner-Carrick and than trade Hunlak and play Marincin, marchenko Nielson or dermott it will get better quickly. If we do trade for a dman, I bet it has one of ours going the other way.
Our D looks bad because our forwards developed way ahead of schedule. Our d will catch up in a season or two.
5.) 02 Mar 2017 22:20:01
So JVR, Bozak, Komravo, Martin and all the other guys on Robidas Island are good role models and don’t have any leadership skills so they had to trade away a 2nd rd pick to get it! NO.
Now if you think you’re going to trade a couple of rookie forwards/ AHLers and one of Nelson/ Dermott to bring back a top pairing D-man, I’m sorry to tell you they won't. unless one of the names is Nylander or heaven forbid Marner!
As for Toronto having a plethora of prospects, picks and everything a rebuilding team could hope for, I don’t think so! Do they have teams knocking down their door for anyone in the Marlies? Not really. Good depth prospect with Kapaneen being the best forward at a 2nd/ 3rd line maybe. Leipsic is seen as 3rd/ 4th line guy.
Nelson is rated as a 4 D-man. Marlies are not setting the AHL on fire like last year.
How about the CHL Bracco and Brooks are the best they have and they are seen as 3rd and 4th line guys.
Last year, Toronto drafted Yegor Korshkov who is out with a broken leg (another wasted year of development for him…he lost another to mumps) and Carl Grundstrom who is gritty bottom 6 guys.
They have traded away a 1st last year, two second round picks this year and they still owe two third round picks for Lou and Babs. So now they are like every other team with one pick in each round just like every other team in the NHL.
So unless Toronto hits on all of their draft picks, the other teams will develop just like them. Good thing we have Hunter on our side. I wonder if he can cheat (Bend the rules) in the NHL like he did in the OHL. HAHA
BTW, I like Boyle too and I hope he does get extended as well. I just don’t like the cost of a 2nd.
6.) 03 Mar 2017 01:22:48
If you count up all of the playoff experience of everyone you listed, it's less than Boyle alone. The playoffs are a different game and our team didn't have any experience. Unless you count Polak lol.
Nylander and Marner are not going anywhere. I didn't reference anything about us trading them, picks or prospects for a RHD. But now that you brought it up, we have an abdunence of RW prospects. With Leivo looking like an NHL hockey player there are 6 people ahead of Kapanen. Trade him. If I had to guess I'd say it would be a JVR/ Kap combo to a team in dire need of LW scoring and happen to have an abundance of dmen with the expansion looming. Anaheim, in the summer.
Prospect is an arbitrary term. Matthews, Nylander and Marner are still techniqually prospects until there rookie season is over. Kap, Bracco, Brooks and Grundstrom are tearing it up this year. Nielson, Greenway and Dermott are LHD. We have Woll, but he'll be developing for a couple years. But we just have this massive hole at RHD from the leafs to the marlies. I hope they acquire a top 4 RHD in summer and draft dmen.
Most scouts said Marner was too small. Scouts are only graded on how many prospects they are right about, if they were graded on how many they were wrong about it would paint a different picture. Hunter does have a great track record but, last years draft left a bad taste in my mouth. Other than Matthews, I really don't know what they were doing.
We unimimously had the #1 list of prospects prior to this season, all but one of our own picks and 5 from other teams over this season and next. All while recently draining our farm by playing 9 rookies this year and fighting for a playoff spot. We are locked stocked and loaded.
We traded away another teams 1st pick. For Andersen. You can't complain about that.
09 Jun 2017 19:00:30
I agree with Torontobuds. I do not consider JVR a rental players when you can trade him at the dead line. When you think about it. If Martin Hanzal basically got 1st and 2nd last year from the Wild, what do you think JVR could get? Compare their stats and you will see JVR would bring a lot more in a trade than Hanzal.
GP G A Pts +/ - PIM
Martin Hanzal 71 20 19 39 -17 53
JV Riemsdyk 82 29 33 62 -2 37
The only thing Hanzal has over JVR is he plays center.
MarquesMen, So to me, your trade looks like
To LEAFS: Ryan Pulock, Mathew Barzal
To ISLES: Jeremy Bracco, 2017 1st rounder plus more than 1st and 2nd round picks (that Hanzal went for year year) .
I think that’s an overpayment.
01 Jun 2017 22:13:27
I love this trade but I'm a leaf fan. I can't see why Arizona would trade 2 for 1st round picks for a play that they will only have year. If JVR could put a team over the top and make them the favorite to win the Stanley Cu, ye but I don't think Arizona will make the playoff with JVR playing for them.
31 May 2017 22:20:02
I did say that Johansen was out with an injured.
All that I was trying to say is that I see the Predators are having the same problem the Edmonton had. McDavid and Draisaitl could not win a face off to save their life and then they spent the rest of their shifts (45 seconds) skating around, trying to get the puck back. (A wasted shift)
30 May 2017 15:34:55
I think you would find Backstrom played centre and Nylander was on the wing.
02 May 2017 20:35:50
It’s funny to see how different Mock Drafts have players ranked. I have seen some that have Liljegren falling out of the top ten which is crazy to think. But there again, who would have thought Jakob Chychrun would have fallen to Arizona at 16 last year. I think if Toronto has a chance to move up a few spots and get Liljegren, they have to jump on it. What does Toronto need most of all. a right shoot defenseman.
11 Jul 2017 18:03:45
Ask yourself why would an expansion team trade players that are 21, 18 and two 17 year olds for two guys that are not in the NHL and a guy who’s 28 and on the last year of his contract? They wouldn’t. Theodore alone would get you JVR, Bracco and Dermott. OK, you might get a 4th round pick with Theodore. haha.
03 Mar 2017 17:39:23
Dbone06 Sorry but I don’t think a 4th line center in year 2 of a rebuild was important enough to waste a 2nd pick on him. I agree the experience gained in the playoff is priceless because that is a totally different game. Ask yourself this.
What would help the Maple Leafs more?
One round in the playoffs this year or getting the RHD that they need for the next 10 years!
The problem with waiting to trade until the summer for that defenseman is that it will cost you Taylor Hall. (This year is a little different because of the expansion draft) Everyone knows that some of the worst trades are made at the trade deadline. Example, no way in hell does Minnesota trades a 1st, 2nd for a 3rd line center and winger in the summer. But because they have a chance to win the cup, they are pressured into doing that deal. That’s the kind of deal/ trade I wanted Toronto to look for. Anaheim is a older team who’s best players are over 30 yrs old. They have pressure to win soon and maybe Toronto can trade a JVR for a one of Montour, Theodore or Larsson and get them to through in Jones. Is that any worse of a deal then the Minnesota’s trade? I know it’s going to cost JVR ++ in the summer and I don’t want to pay that but it looks like we will have to now!
The Leafs is one team that don’t need to worry about revenue. Where ever they go, the games are usually sold out and the stands are filled with leaf merchandise and because of the salary cap, play off don’t matter. They are still making money.
02 Mar 2017 22:20:01
So JVR, Bozak, Komravo, Martin and all the other guys on Robidas Island are good role models and don’t have any leadership skills so they had to trade away a 2nd rd pick to get it! NO.
Now if you think you’re going to trade a couple of rookie forwards/ AHLers and one of Nelson/ Dermott to bring back a top pairing D-man, I’m sorry to tell you they won't. unless one of the names is Nylander or heaven forbid Marner!
As for Toronto having a plethora of prospects, picks and everything a rebuilding team could hope for, I don’t think so! Do they have teams knocking down their door for anyone in the Marlies? Not really. Good depth prospect with Kapaneen being the best forward at a 2nd/ 3rd line maybe. Leipsic is seen as 3rd/ 4th line guy.
Nelson is rated as a 4 D-man. Marlies are not setting the AHL on fire like last year.
How about the CHL Bracco and Brooks are the best they have and they are seen as 3rd and 4th line guys.
Last year, Toronto drafted Yegor Korshkov who is out with a broken leg (another wasted year of development for him…he lost another to mumps) and Carl Grundstrom who is gritty bottom 6 guys.
They have traded away a 1st last year, two second round picks this year and they still owe two third round picks for Lou and Babs. So now they are like every other team with one pick in each round just like every other team in the NHL.
So unless Toronto hits on all of their draft picks, the other teams will develop just like them. Good thing we have Hunter on our side. I wonder if he can cheat (Bend the rules) in the NHL like he did in the OHL. HAHA
BTW, I like Boyle too and I hope he does get extended as well. I just don’t like the cost of a 2nd.
02 Mar 2017 17:06:14
Uncle Leo (Komarov0 contract is up at the end of the year and he could walk. Would have been nice to see him go to Ottawa for Jonathan Dahlen. Doesn't mean we can't try to sign him back I the summer.
28 Feb 2017 18:43:11
I like Boyle as a player and IF Toronto was a contender for the cup, I would say good move. But we all know they are not and if you thing so, your just kidding self. To win in any sport, you need to play DEFENCE! Toronto has shown this year that they just DON'T have the horse to play defence. They are the horse race while riding a donkey! Making the playoff is great and the kids will get to first hand just what it takes to win the playoffs. Trading Froese is no big lose but that 2nd round pick COULD BE (I know it's a crap shoot) another bullet in our gun.