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06 Oct 2017 16:14:28
Leafs: Bozak, 2018 4th
Blues: 2018 1st
Blues are just one of several teams in desperate need of a 3C (Rangers, Pens) and are going to be in tough to make the playoffs. If they fail, the 1st becomes a top 15 choice. Bit of a gamble but worth the upside.(you never know with the lottery)
Leafs options at 3C; Marner, Marleau, Aaltonen. Personnally would like to see Marleau- Marner- Kapanen as a unit.
1.) 06 Oct 2017 19:07:18
Marner not strong enough to win face-offs.
2.) 06 Oct 2017 22:23:01
Strength doesn’t have a whole lot to do with face offs anymore. faceoffs are more so based on discipline, hand eye cordination and quickness now. As long as a player can play on both sides of the puck, strength and size doesn’t really have a big advantage anymore with no tie ups. Quite sad really, a part of the game, where big bodied players had substantial value, gone now.
3.) 07 Oct 2017 11:17:57
He'll get there.
4.) 07 Oct 2017 12:55:25
Agree Dbone and with Marners quick hands and skill set he could do quite well in the faceoff circle. Additionally, he would make a great setup man for sniper Marleau with speedy Kapanen digging the pucks out for them. Gets Kapanen into the lineup. All in all makes the Leafs better and the 1st (possibly a high one) would be a nice add for Hunter.
5.) 07 Oct 2017 15:27:29
1) The Blues have already traded their 2018 1st away. So it would have to be a 2019 1st, which might be better given the direction their team is headed in. But a delayed 1st might cost extra in Lou's eyes.
2) They have precious little cap room. Even with LTIR they only have 3.8 M. The Leafs might have to eat some cap on the deal and that would cost extra.
3) The deal is a little light for Bozak, although it would still be acceptable. Minny gave up a 1st and 2nd for Hanzal, who's numbers are less than Bozak's. Plus you are giving up a 4th when the Blues are a team in need of a 3rd line vet center.
So make it a 2019 1st, and either a 2018 2nd or Barbashev
for Bozak and the 4th.
6.) 07 Oct 2017 17:20:14
Marner as a center instead of Nylander who has played the position? Grab a clue.
7.) 07 Oct 2017 18:50:24
Dbf marmer was a centre in the O, maybe learn what you are talking about before rippin into people.
24 Sep 2017 23:28:36
I know it is a small sample size and only the preseason but some things are becoming very apparent. Marincin's days in Toronto are numbered. He has been surpassed by Borgman, Dermott and even Rosen. Reilly still doesn't have a legit top pairing partner and I don't think any of the kids are ready to be thrown into that role.
The Leafs have 3 very good d-men, but not elite that could form a very good d-corps if split up and partnered with the right complementary piece. Rielly and ?, Gardner and Carrick, Zaitsev and Borgman (or Dermott).
I still think the leafs should try to pry Green out of Detroit sooner then later. Green for Rychel, Nielson, Timashov and Hainsey (or 50% retained on Green). Marincin, Lupul and a conditional 4th(if Lupul plays more then 50 games or gets more then 30 points, then not) to the Avs for a 3rd.
Rielly - Green
Gardiner - Carrick
Borgman - Zaitsev
Three pairings with scoring touch and some grit in front of the net.
1.) 24 Sep 2017 23:36:25
Spider spider spider
Throw away prospects over pay green or sit in a corner and chill out and watch the season unfold.
We don't need over paid defencemen.
10 Sep 2017 16:50:32
Leafs: Rychel, Valiev, 2018 3rd
Wings: Mike Green (50% retained)
Wings are in deep dodo. Salary cap issues, bad contracts, limited prospects and a bad team. Even at 50% retained is a big help to their cap issues and some decent prospects and a pick for the rebuild.
Greens "Hero" numbers show he is still a legit top pairing defense man although 7 years removed from his 70+ point seasons he still manages to put up 35 to 45 points per on a bad team. 6'1", 210 lbs is decent size and at 31 is 5 years younger then Hainsey. RHD that shoots right with 1 year left on his contract seem like a good match for Reilly and put Hainsey on the 3rd pair with Zaitsev.
Reilly - Green
Gardiner - Carrick
Hainsey - Zaitsev
1.) 10 Sep 2017 17:44:42
Lets look Calgary defence next 3 years they are committed to 23 million dollars on defence
Leafs next two season 17.5 million
The leafs have many young defencemen coming
Liljegren
Dermott
Neilsen
Rosen
Borgman
All will be cheap 4 a few years.
2.) 10 Sep 2017 18:57:09
Green o thanks leafs have fishing pools in water Lou visit Russian kid for next summer
Liljegren
Neilsen
Dermott
Rosen
Borgman
Lets see what this is at camp.
3.) 10 Sep 2017 19:07:25
Spider,
I see the logic behind obtaining a defender whose younger than Hainsey and whose numbers are better overall. I wonder if Green becomes a target for playoff bound teams as they approach the deadline?
Toronto was obviously ok with signing a much older Hainsey or they wouldn't have done so otherwise. Including a few veteran guys like Hainsey who have won the Cup compliments the younger core of this team.
Davidmackin, those are some interesting names we hope will make the Leafs in the foreseeable future and become everyday NHL regulars.
04 Sep 2017 10:40:35
Just a humble opinion and observation.
Unless the Leafs receive a "knock your socks off" offer for JVR (eg. atop 4 D-man and a prospect/pick) he will be with the Leafs this season. He is the type of player a contending team pays premium for and the Leafs don't have to, they already have one.
Komarov is staying. The Leafs lack solid defensive players that can kick in some offense and Leo leads a small corps for them; Brown and Hyman.That is why adding Kapanen would be such a big boost to their line-up, a defensively responsible player that adds speed and scoring.
Leafs would be best served by moving Bozak for prospects/picks or packaging for a bigger bang. He is defensively bad and taking a roster spot away from Kapanen, plus eating up $4.2M in cap space. He would be my choice to move of the 3 UFA's. Extend Leo and use JVR for a cup run.
Leafs: Bozak,Rychel, Valiev
VGK: Lindberg(C), a 3rd in 2019
1.) 04 Sep 2017 15:17:22
I agree that someone should be moved to open a spot up for Kapanen but I don't think it should be Bozak. Lindbergi assume is your replacement for him, but it's not really an upgrade and you're trading Rychel and Valiev with him in a downgrading trade. It doesn't really make sense to me. Bozak plays on a pretty much primarily offensive line, his defence isn't that bad and he's excellent on face offs.
I'm more on the trade JVR wagon, at the deadline Leafs probably won't trade anyone that helps their roster as JVR does heading into playoffs. But he would garner a big return at that time.
2.) 04 Sep 2017 15:43:30
Use JVR for a Cup run? Do you seriously think the Leafs are going on a Cup run this year? They aren't ready for that, this group hasn't even won a playoff series yet.
3.) 04 Sep 2017 19:32:24
How is bozak bad defensively? He is the best faceoff guy they have. He is key for penalties and key faceoffs in the offensive zone and defensive zone. Trading bozak would be a mistake at this point.
4.) 04 Sep 2017 21:06:07
I like the trade. Good choice on Lindberg.
But, I would also consider trading JVR. The Devils have a a glut of quality centers and it makes sense for them to move some of them.
They have just added Hishier (C), and Bodquist (C), with their 1st 2 picks; but have lost Clowe (LW) permanently and need a good LW
Note: They have tons of cap room, but can't afford to give up D.
So something like:
TOR: JVR, T. Lindberg
NJD: Mcleod, cond. 1st 2018, and 3rd 2018;
The conditional 1st is upon JVR re-signing. If not, it becomes two 2nds 2018/ 2019
JVR would finally get to play with a quality center.
and additionally, an exchange of parts;
TOR: Rychel, Sosh, lowest 2nd 2018, and Marincin (D) ;
NJD: Quenville (C), Bastian (C) ;
2 wingers, a 2nd, and a D; for 2 centers.
The Devils still have 8 NHL capable centers left (Including Hishier and and their 2nd pick) . They get a top line LW.
The Leafs get their Bozak replacement and a replacement for Moore the following year if the Goat can't do it.
They can also shift to wing if need be. All 3 centers are of good size and good skaters. Quenville and Bastian are risks, but there are signs they will produce, and I like their seasons, and playoff runs.
5.) 05 Sep 2017 00:06:24
@ Dbone. I was actually thinking Lindberg as a 4C as an upgrade to Moore, but capable of moving up the line-up in an injury. Moore would become a depth/ injury replacement with Leivo. Nylander would move to centre between JVR and Kapanen and Marner would move up the Mathews wing. Overall, a stronger line-up both offensively and defensively. The 3rd in 2019 would almost be like a 2nd as I believ VGK will still finish near the bottom in 2 years.
6.) 05 Sep 2017 02:44:41
I am doubtful we will see Nylander at centre this year still, unless injuries make it happen I think he either stays on Matthews wing or alternatively plays with Kadri and Komarov, I think it would be wise to leave him with Matthews though. They found success last year and also, Nylander as C will only take offensive face offs, and if he puts up a 65-70 point season as a C, he will be getting paid a lot more than if he did that as a winger. I know thinking money first in that sense isn't what happens, success first obviously but, food for thought.
7.) 06 Sep 2017 00:57:46
Of all the players JVR has the most value in a trade. 2 things to consider:
Will the Leafs win the cup, I don't think so.
Will the Leafs re-sign JVR long term, I also don't think so.
Therefore you trade him for prospects and picks and you can always trade those again for help if you feel you need it.
28 Aug 2017 20:39:46
Liked and agreed with James Tanner's assessment of the Leafs as contenders (
goo.gl/C73ca
Most of their faults can be addressed from within with one major trade.
Nylander needs to have his own line to drive with JVR and Marner flanking him. Gives the Leafs the best 1-2-3 centre combo in the league.
Kapinen is too good both offensively and defensively to leave in the minors. Has the speed to play with Marleau and Mathews and adds defensive awareness to that line.
With Brown signed the KKB line is intact to shutdown the leagues top lines and add scoring from the third line.
Martin and Hyman are a good core for a checking/hitting 4th line, lacking only a speedy, gritty centre
Rielly needs a true top 4 defensive partner.
Leafs: Bozak, Rychel, Fehr, Valiev, Timashov, Pinichi (spelling?) and a 2nd (SJS)
VGK: Miller (RHD), Lindberg (C).
Leafs add whatever they need to to make this deal happen and become ligit contenders this season without upsetting the long range plans.
Marleau - Mathews - Kapanen
JVR _ Nylander - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Martin - Lindberg - Hyman
Rielly - Miller
Gardiner _ Zaitsev
Hainsey - Carrick
Rielly can finally fly and Hainsey unleashes Carricks potential.
Lievo, Moore, Marincin provide depth. The Marlies will rock with Sosh and the rest of the prospects.
1.) 28 Aug 2017 23:23:31
i like it but nylander at center will never work.
2.) 29 Aug 2017 03:25:54
Tanner makes some interesting points but I wouldn't get too attached to what he writes as some of his more recent articles border on ridiculous.
3.) 29 Aug 2017 13:28:40
Agree with most of what was said here.
@captain clutch can you explain why nylander will never work at center? I'm pretty sure most people on this site see nylander playing center at some point. Also in my opinion I see it happening right after he signs his next contract. That way they get a center on winger money.
4.) 29 Aug 2017 14:14:59
I prefer Nylander flanking Matthews for another year, Kadri can definitely be a 2nd line C and therefore the Leafs are on the lookout for a 3rd line C after Bozak leaves. That should not be too hard to find in FA or the draft.
5.) 29 Aug 2017 14:31:23
Nylander may work in the middle someday, there's not really a reason he would never work at centre. I think he still needs to improve defensively to be a full time centre, and if or when he converts I doubt it will be Marner on his wing, both players are mainly pass first guys. Yea they both score but they're both primarily pass first players. If Nylander moves to the middle Marner would play with Matthews.
6.) 30 Aug 2017 03:02:13
Like your idea of swapping Marner and Kapanen in the line-up Dbone. My main thought here was strengthening the Leafs down the middle and opening up a roster spot for Kapanen. He brings too much to the line-up (speed, defense, scoring) not to be in the starting line-up. Trading Bozak and a hand full of prospects for a potential top-4 D-man and a 4C seems to make the most sense. Good to see some feed back.
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06 Oct 2017 14:54:11
Curious to get some opinions. With Picard on waivers should the Leafs claim him? Would he be an upgrade? Would McElhinney pass waivers and be available as a call up?
1.) 07 Oct 2017 03:20:41
Guess Lou agrees that he would be a good pick up. Smart move to wait till he cleared waivers and then trade for him so he can play with the Marlies and not expose McElhinney.
10 Sep 2017 16:52:18
Forgot to add, at 3M per fits in nicely under Lupals LTIR.
29 Jun 2017 05:01:48
Free Agency is almost upon us. Some thoughts on who to target.
Chad Johnson - 1.8M x 2/3Y Slight raise but with some term. Solid B/U, can carry the team for short periods.
Cody Franson - 2.75M x 2Y Barring a trade, a fall back option.
Matt Hunwick - 1.2M x 1Y Solid #6/7 D. Can play both sides. Flexibility.
Cal Peterson - ELC. Throw him into the goalie mix with Sparks and Kaskisuo, the loser goes to the Bears.
Byron Froese - 2-way contract. Centre depth for the Marlies.
Cal O'Reilly - ditto.
26 Jun 2017 01:40:04
Well, the drafts are behind us, time to look ahead to FA Frenzy. My top 3 picks who the Leafs should target, barring any trades before hand(Miller form LVK?).
#1 Thornton - C - 2 years @ 5M per
No need to say what he brings other then he would give the Leafs 3 first lines between JVR and Marner. Almost impossible for other teams to match up.
#2 Elliott - G - 2 years @ 1M per
Failed as a starter for the Flames but has excellent numbers as a tandem/back-up. Best @ around 30-40 games played.
#3 Franson - RHD - 2 years @ 3M per
Big(6'5",225lbs), clears the front of the net, skates and moves the puck well and booming shot from the point. Can play up and down the lineup and can handle 1st pairing minutes.
There it is, pick it apart guys.
1.) 26 Jun 2017 05:00:51
1) An old fart playing with two other old farts; managed to get 50 pts last year.
Bozak could play 4th center; not ideal, but it leaves him available for faceoffs.
Hard to say no to that, if not just to try it out; but will old Joe last the two years?
2) Not an Elliot fan. Would he sign for 1M? He didn't so well with a decent defence in front of him in Calgary.
3) If the Leafs can't land a prime DMan then he would be a reasonable option. He first, has to promise not to hit any of the rookies from the point.
2.) 26 Jun 2017 07:43:42
Joe is an"Old Fart"? Ever heard of Jagr? You know the legend that is still producing at 45? Lol he had 50 points and 82 points before that. I'm scared to know what Bozak is, as he manage to get 55 points, OMG what? Yeah finally a good season, oh wait he's already an "old fart". I don't want Thornton but don't be disrespecting him like that.
3.) 26 Jun 2017 15:18:37
we need defense not centers and wingers we should be going after shattenkirk for a young and capable #1 d man.
4.) 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56
@ Goatson
Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't disrespect.
Who the hell are you? You must be an old fart.
Thanks, for pointing out the "#$@%ing" obvious about him and Yagr. Up to your comment I'll bet no one even knew who they were.
Maybe you should read all the text (and chew on the connotation) first, before you go off disrespecting others yourself. Old Fart Joe will be playing in San Jose yet again. The old fart is not coming here.
Happy now! Old fart.
5.) 27 Jun 2017 03:32:24
Lab
Bruh I'm not even Old😂😂, easy to say that behind a screen, They are both definitely better than the "old farts" Ladd and Halak (you know what I'm talking about) and did I say the "old fart" is coming here? No I didn't. Wow who ever doesn't know who "the old fart" Joe and Jagr the future hall of Famers seriously don't know sh* t about hockey. Who the hell are you? Hating on these hall of Famers?
6.) 27 Jun 2017 05:55:01
Lab
And You're acting like Joe and Jagr were Sh*t their whole careers by Calling them "old farts" and saying how knowone knew who they are. Thornton a future hall of famer, Jagr a future hall of Famer and top of the GOAT, so what does that make you?
7.) 27 Jun 2017 17:23:38
Franson would be an inexpensive and reliable option.
8.) 27 Jun 2017 17:22:14
No that's just you distorting everything to fit into your warped, hating, view of life.
You are about the most stunned person on this site. Calling them old farts is trivial, and hardly hating. In terms of hockey careers, even 32 is old, and the league is getting younger every day. The average age of retirement in the NHL is about 28. What rock have you been hiding under. Calling a hockey player an old fart doesn't imply anyone had a bad career, just that they are old in hockey terms. That's just you distorting reality to fit your hate.
Take your opinion, and your hate, and go crawl back under that rock.
And have a nice day.
9.) 27 Jun 2017 17:43:56
Lab
I wasn't hating and don't tell me what to do. "Up to your comment, I bet no one knew who they were"? You just bashed the players like that?
10.) 27 Jun 2017 20:08:26
Lab
Have a nice day.
11.) 28 Jun 2017 11:48:50
Thanks for proving my point.
24 Jun 2017 05:44:42
FLASHBACK; Summer 2016
I was thinking the Leafs are better then a bottom 3 team this year (2016/17) and would probably finish around 10-12. Hoping they win the lottery and have a shot at drafting Liljgren.
FLASHFORWARD; June 2017
LEAF WIN LOTTERY!!
Leafs have an incredible season, exceeding all expectations. Make the playoffs, take the #1 team in the league to the edge in an exciting playoffs, gaining valuable experience AND Liljgren falls into their laps at #17 in the draft. Reilly gets a partner in 2-3 years.
1.) 24 Jun 2017 15:00:56
It's kind of odd that he fell so far. Defencemen in the SHL don't typically score a lot, so that's not a big a deal.
You could make similar argument about Patrick who never really recovered to his full form from the year before. But he vied for 1st or 2nd all year.
I think the Leafs stole the draft here. This kid can skate and pass on the fly. He will draw the attention of the opposition, opening up others; something that is never shown in a stat sheet.
He's big enough now. While I think it will take him 2 years to reach the NHL in a normal situation; we have openings on the RHS now. Maybe he makes the Leafs in the Fall as a 7th Dman. Training camp will tell the story.
07 Oct 2017 12:55:25
Agree Dbone and with Marners quick hands and skill set he could do quite well in the faceoff circle. Additionally, he would make a great setup man for sniper Marleau with speedy Kapanen digging the pucks out for them. Gets Kapanen into the lineup. All in all makes the Leafs better and the 1st (possibly a high one) would be a nice add for Hunter.
07 Oct 2017 12:50:31
Have to agree with David on this one, a smart pickup for almost nothing. Timashov is buried behind a plethora of wingers and would have a hard time getting minutes with the Marlies. The trade gives the Leafs a lot of flexibility with Picard as far as being able to start him with the Marlies and call ups (Up to 9 games without going through waivers) Good insurance if McEihinney reverts to preseason form both as a back up and injury replacement. Still young enough to improve.
03 Oct 2017 16:25:53
@ Randy
Interesting idea, though I think big bodied speedster/ sniper Marleau and speedster/ checker Kapanen would make a fun line to watch. With his quick hands and the new faceoff rules I think he could do quite well on the draw. Could be a Hyman-Mathews-Nylander V2.0 Put JVR with Kadri and Brown and try to match those 3 lines rolling. Marleau can also take draws. Now David, before you say he is too small, look at some stats.
Marner - 6', 180lbs
Tyker Johnson - 5'8", 183lbs
Namestnikov - 5'11", 183lbs
Stamkos - 6'1", 194lbs
Bennet - 6'1", 186lbs.
Not bad company as far as comparable centres go.
Courtesy of Lab16 Bozak, SJS 2nd, Marincin to FLA for Petrovic. Hainsey to 7th D until he can be flipped for a pick.
21 Sep 2017 22:00:41
David, I believe in the suggested trade the Leafs GET a 1st. Go to the chalk board and write out 100 times, getting "1st's is good. "
13 Sep 2017 12:34:05
Agree with Labs analysis, good trade Dbone. Could battle Moore for the 4C job this year with potential to move up the line-up if Bozak gets moved. Well done.
07 Oct 2017 03:20:41
Guess Lou agrees that he would be a good pick up. Smart move to wait till he cleared waivers and then trade for him so he can play with the Marlies and not expose McElhinney.
01 Oct 2017 14:37:11
Really like Lindberg. I think he is highly underrated. A young centre with size, speed, grit and a good scoring touch. Would make a good 3C. Really hate to loose Uncle Leo, but he is struggling to keep up with the Leafs speed game. Fast approaching 4th line status.
26 Sep 2017 13:48:49
I am assuming JVR got traded to the Islanders for a 1st and 3rd in your line-up.
25 Sep 2017 18:42:33
Like where you are going here. Might work, though I would probably put Marleau on the 3rd line and put Rychel in the press box with Lievo and Moore if he is not traded. Rotate Hyman, Lievo and Martin into the 4th line, depending on opposition.
Not sure Borgman is ready for top pairing minutes and competition, but I like him in the starting six. I would pair Carrick with Gardiner, they had good chenistry and great numbers last year. I wouldn't carry a 7th d-man, Marlies are just down the street for call ups. Give Dermott top minutes with Liljgren and let's you hide an extra forward.
21 Sep 2017 21:49:19
Lock him up for maximum term. $54 (8y x $6.75) then move him to centre. For those nay sayers he was 8 for 11 on the draw against Ottawa and is better then Bozak defensively. With Marner feeding Nylander and Marleau, record seasons for all 3.