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06 Oct 2017 16:14:28
Leafs: Bozak, 2018 4th
Blues: 2018 1st

Blues are just one of several teams in desperate need of a 3C (Rangers, Pens) and are going to be in tough to make the playoffs. If they fail, the 1st becomes a top 15 choice. Bit of a gamble but worth the upside.(you never know with the lottery)
Leafs options at 3C; Marner, Marleau, Aaltonen. Personnally would like to see Marleau- Marner- Kapanen as a unit.

1.) 06 Oct 2017 19:07:18
Marner not strong enough to win face-offs.

2.) 06 Oct 2017 22:23:01
Strength doesn’t have a whole lot to do with face offs anymore. faceoffs are more so based on discipline, hand eye cordination and quickness now. As long as a player can play on both sides of the puck, strength and size doesn’t really have a big advantage anymore with no tie ups. Quite sad really, a part of the game, where big bodied players had substantial value, gone now.

3.) 07 Oct 2017 11:17:57
He'll get there.

4.) 07 Oct 2017 12:55:25
Agree Dbone and with Marners quick hands and skill set he could do quite well in the faceoff circle. Additionally, he would make a great setup man for sniper Marleau with speedy Kapanen digging the pucks out for them. Gets Kapanen into the lineup. All in all makes the Leafs better and the 1st (possibly a high one) would be a nice add for Hunter.

5.) 07 Oct 2017 15:27:29
1) The Blues have already traded their 2018 1st away. So it would have to be a 2019 1st, which might be better given the direction their team is headed in. But a delayed 1st might cost extra in Lou's eyes.

2) They have precious little cap room. Even with LTIR they only have 3.8 M. The Leafs might have to eat some cap on the deal and that would cost extra.

3) The deal is a little light for Bozak, although it would still be acceptable. Minny gave up a 1st and 2nd for Hanzal, who's numbers are less than Bozak's. Plus you are giving up a 4th when the Blues are a team in need of a 3rd line vet center.

So make it a 2019 1st, and either a 2018 2nd or Barbashev
for Bozak and the 4th.

6.) 07 Oct 2017 17:20:14
Marner as a center instead of Nylander who has played the position? Grab a clue.

7.) 07 Oct 2017 18:50:24
Dbf marmer was a centre in the O, maybe learn what you are talking about before rippin into people.



24 Sep 2017 23:28:36
I know it is a small sample size and only the preseason but some things are becoming very apparent. Marincin's days in Toronto are numbered. He has been surpassed by Borgman, Dermott and even Rosen. Reilly still doesn't have a legit top pairing partner and I don't think any of the kids are ready to be thrown into that role.

The Leafs have 3 very good d-men, but not elite that could form a very good d-corps if split up and partnered with the right complementary piece. Rielly and ?, Gardner and Carrick, Zaitsev and Borgman (or Dermott).

I still think the leafs should try to pry Green out of Detroit sooner then later. Green for Rychel, Nielson, Timashov and Hainsey (or 50% retained on Green). Marincin, Lupul and a conditional 4th(if Lupul plays more then 50 games or gets more then 30 points, then not) to the Avs for a 3rd.

Rielly - Green
Gardiner - Carrick
Borgman - Zaitsev
Three pairings with scoring touch and some grit in front of the net.

1.) 24 Sep 2017 23:36:25
Spider spider spider

Throw away prospects over pay green or sit in a corner and chill out and watch the season unfold.

We don't need over paid defencemen.



10 Sep 2017 16:50:32
Leafs: Rychel, Valiev, 2018 3rd
Wings: Mike Green (50% retained)

Wings are in deep dodo. Salary cap issues, bad contracts, limited prospects and a bad team. Even at 50% retained is a big help to their cap issues and some decent prospects and a pick for the rebuild.
Greens "Hero" numbers show he is still a legit top pairing defense man although 7 years removed from his 70+ point seasons he still manages to put up 35 to 45 points per on a bad team. 6'1", 210 lbs is decent size and at 31 is 5 years younger then Hainsey. RHD that shoots right with 1 year left on his contract seem like a good match for Reilly and put Hainsey on the 3rd pair with Zaitsev.
Reilly - Green
Gardiner - Carrick
Hainsey - Zaitsev

1.) 10 Sep 2017 17:44:42
Lets look Calgary defence next 3 years they are committed to 23 million dollars on defence

Leafs next two season 17.5 million

The leafs have many young defencemen coming


All will be cheap 4 a few years.

2.) 10 Sep 2017 18:57:09
Green o thanks leafs have fishing pools in water Lou visit Russian kid for next summer


Lets see what this is at camp.

3.) 10 Sep 2017 19:07:25

I see the logic behind obtaining a defender whose younger than Hainsey and whose numbers are better overall. I wonder if Green becomes a target for playoff bound teams as they approach the deadline?

Toronto was obviously ok with signing a much older Hainsey or they wouldn't have done so otherwise. Including a few veteran guys like Hainsey who have won the Cup compliments the younger core of this team.

Davidmackin, those are some interesting names we hope will make the Leafs in the foreseeable future and become everyday NHL regulars.



04 Sep 2017 10:40:35
Just a humble opinion and observation.
Unless the Leafs receive a "knock your socks off" offer for JVR (eg. atop 4 D-man and a prospect/pick) he will be with the Leafs this season. He is the type of player a contending team pays premium for and the Leafs don't have to, they already have one.

Komarov is staying. The Leafs lack solid defensive players that can kick in some offense and Leo leads a small corps for them; Brown and Hyman.That is why adding Kapanen would be such a big boost to their line-up, a defensively responsible player that adds speed and scoring.

Leafs would be best served by moving Bozak for prospects/picks or packaging for a bigger bang. He is defensively bad and taking a roster spot away from Kapanen, plus eating up $4.2M in cap space. He would be my choice to move of the 3 UFA's. Extend Leo and use JVR for a cup run.
Leafs: Bozak,Rychel, Valiev
VGK: Lindberg(C), a 3rd in 2019

1.) 04 Sep 2017 15:17:22
I agree that someone should be moved to open a spot up for Kapanen but I don't think it should be Bozak. Lindbergi assume is your replacement for him, but it's not really an upgrade and you're trading Rychel and Valiev with him in a downgrading trade. It doesn't really make sense to me. Bozak plays on a pretty much primarily offensive line, his defence isn't that bad and he's excellent on face offs.

I'm more on the trade JVR wagon, at the deadline Leafs probably won't trade anyone that helps their roster as JVR does heading into playoffs. But he would garner a big return at that time.

2.) 04 Sep 2017 15:43:30
Use JVR for a Cup run? Do you seriously think the Leafs are going on a Cup run this year? They aren't ready for that, this group hasn't even won a playoff series yet.

3.) 04 Sep 2017 19:32:24
How is bozak bad defensively? He is the best faceoff guy they have. He is key for penalties and key faceoffs in the offensive zone and defensive zone. Trading bozak would be a mistake at this point.

4.) 04 Sep 2017 21:06:07
I like the trade. Good choice on Lindberg.

But, I would also consider trading JVR. The Devils have a a glut of quality centers and it makes sense for them to move some of them.

They have just added Hishier (C), and Bodquist (C), with their 1st 2 picks; but have lost Clowe (LW) permanently and need a good LW
Note: They have tons of cap room, but can't afford to give up D.

So something like:

TOR: JVR, T. Lindberg
NJD: Mcleod, cond. 1st 2018, and 3rd 2018;

The conditional 1st is upon JVR re-signing. If not, it becomes two 2nds 2018/ 2019

JVR would finally get to play with a quality center.

and additionally, an exchange of parts;

TOR: Rychel, Sosh, lowest 2nd 2018, and Marincin (D) ;
NJD: Quenville (C), Bastian (C) ;

2 wingers, a 2nd, and a D; for 2 centers.

The Devils still have 8 NHL capable centers left (Including Hishier and and their 2nd pick) . They get a top line LW.

The Leafs get their Bozak replacement and a replacement for Moore the following year if the Goat can't do it.

They can also shift to wing if need be. All 3 centers are of good size and good skaters. Quenville and Bastian are risks, but there are signs they will produce, and I like their seasons, and playoff runs.

5.) 05 Sep 2017 00:06:24
@ Dbone. I was actually thinking Lindberg as a 4C as an upgrade to Moore, but capable of moving up the line-up in an injury. Moore would become a depth/ injury replacement with Leivo. Nylander would move to centre between JVR and Kapanen and Marner would move up the Mathews wing. Overall, a stronger line-up both offensively and defensively. The 3rd in 2019 would almost be like a 2nd as I believ VGK will still finish near the bottom in 2 years.

6.) 05 Sep 2017 02:44:41
I am doubtful we will see Nylander at centre this year still, unless injuries make it happen I think he either stays on Matthews wing or alternatively plays with Kadri and Komarov, I think it would be wise to leave him with Matthews though. They found success last year and also, Nylander as C will only take offensive face offs, and if he puts up a 65-70 point season as a C, he will be getting paid a lot more than if he did that as a winger. I know thinking money first in that sense isn't what happens, success first obviously but, food for thought.

7.) 06 Sep 2017 00:57:46
Of all the players JVR has the most value in a trade. 2 things to consider:

Will the Leafs win the cup, I don't think so.

Will the Leafs re-sign JVR long term, I also don't think so.

Therefore you trade him for prospects and picks and you can always trade those again for help if you feel you need it.



28 Aug 2017 20:39:46
Liked and agreed with James Tanner's assessment of the Leafs as contenders (


Most of their faults can be addressed from within with one major trade.
Nylander needs to have his own line to drive with JVR and Marner flanking him. Gives the Leafs the best 1-2-3 centre combo in the league.

Kapinen is too good both offensively and defensively to leave in the minors. Has the speed to play with Marleau and Mathews and adds defensive awareness to that line.

With Brown signed the KKB line is intact to shutdown the leagues top lines and add scoring from the third line.

Martin and Hyman are a good core for a checking/hitting 4th line, lacking only a speedy, gritty centre

Rielly needs a true top 4 defensive partner.

Leafs: Bozak, Rychel, Fehr, Valiev, Timashov, Pinichi (spelling?) and a 2nd (SJS)
VGK: Miller (RHD), Lindberg (C).

Leafs add whatever they need to to make this deal happen and become ligit contenders this season without upsetting the long range plans.

Marleau - Mathews - Kapanen
JVR _ Nylander - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Martin - Lindberg - Hyman
Rielly - Miller
Gardiner _ Zaitsev
Hainsey - Carrick

Rielly can finally fly and Hainsey unleashes Carricks potential.
Lievo, Moore, Marincin provide depth. The Marlies will rock with Sosh and the rest of the prospects.

1.) 28 Aug 2017 23:23:31
i like it but nylander at center will never work.

2.) 29 Aug 2017 03:25:54
Tanner makes some interesting points but I wouldn't get too attached to what he writes as some of his more recent articles border on ridiculous.

3.) 29 Aug 2017 13:28:40
Agree with most of what was said here.

@captain clutch can you explain why nylander will never work at center? I'm pretty sure most people on this site see nylander playing center at some point. Also in my opinion I see it happening right after he signs his next contract. That way they get a center on winger money.

4.) 29 Aug 2017 14:14:59
I prefer Nylander flanking Matthews for another year, Kadri can definitely be a 2nd line C and therefore the Leafs are on the lookout for a 3rd line C after Bozak leaves. That should not be too hard to find in FA or the draft.

5.) 29 Aug 2017 14:31:23
Nylander may work in the middle someday, there's not really a reason he would never work at centre. I think he still needs to improve defensively to be a full time centre, and if or when he converts I doubt it will be Marner on his wing, both players are mainly pass first guys. Yea they both score but they're both primarily pass first players. If Nylander moves to the middle Marner would play with Matthews.

6.) 30 Aug 2017 03:02:13
Like your idea of swapping Marner and Kapanen in the line-up Dbone. My main thought here was strengthening the Leafs down the middle and opening up a roster spot for Kapanen. He brings too much to the line-up (speed, defense, scoring) not to be in the starting line-up. Trading Bozak and a hand full of prospects for a potential top-4 D-man and a 4C seems to make the most sense. Good to see some feed back.




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07 Oct 2017 12:55:25
Agree Dbone and with Marners quick hands and skill set he could do quite well in the faceoff circle. Additionally, he would make a great setup man for sniper Marleau with speedy Kapanen digging the pucks out for them. Gets Kapanen into the lineup. All in all makes the Leafs better and the 1st (possibly a high one) would be a nice add for Hunter.



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07 Oct 2017 12:50:31
Have to agree with David on this one, a smart pickup for almost nothing. Timashov is buried behind a plethora of wingers and would have a hard time getting minutes with the Marlies. The trade gives the Leafs a lot of flexibility with Picard as far as being able to start him with the Marlies and call ups (Up to 9 games without going through waivers) Good insurance if McEihinney reverts to preseason form both as a back up and injury replacement. Still young enough to improve.



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03 Oct 2017 16:25:53
@ Randy
Interesting idea, though I think big bodied speedster/ sniper Marleau and speedster/ checker Kapanen would make a fun line to watch. With his quick hands and the new faceoff rules I think he could do quite well on the draw. Could be a Hyman-Mathews-Nylander V2.0 Put JVR with Kadri and Brown and try to match those 3 lines rolling. Marleau can also take draws. Now David, before you say he is too small, look at some stats.
Marner - 6', 180lbs
Tyker Johnson - 5'8", 183lbs
Namestnikov - 5'11", 183lbs
Stamkos - 6'1", 194lbs
Bennet - 6'1", 186lbs.
Not bad company as far as comparable centres go.
Courtesy of Lab16 Bozak, SJS 2nd, Marincin to FLA for Petrovic. Hainsey to 7th D until he can be flipped for a pick.



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21 Sep 2017 22:00:41
David, I believe in the suggested trade the Leafs GET a 1st. Go to the chalk board and write out 100 times, getting "1st's is good. "



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13 Sep 2017 12:34:05
Agree with Labs analysis, good trade Dbone. Could battle Moore for the 4C job this year with potential to move up the line-up if Bozak gets moved. Well done.




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