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26 Aug 2016 16:37:28
I'm praying before the season start to see this trade happen
Toronto: Lindholm
ANA: JVR
Straight up the value is there Anaheim trades for the scoring they need as the leafs add a potential top pairing defense men that might be One of the top 15 defense men in the league one day.
1.) 26 Aug 2016 21:40:14
I like your thinking.
2.) 27 Aug 2016 02:27:11
I like it but Toronto would have to add
3.) 27 Aug 2016 05:26:53
Add a good amount I'm afraid
4.) 27 Aug 2016 15:14:34
Yeah. I agree. Lindholm is a bona fide top 2 defender. IF JVR has a monster season the Leafs would have to add a good prospect like Dermott and/or (your pick). Ducks need to avoid losing one of their good young defenders and need scoring up front. Leafs need one more good defender. Based on what the Oilers had to pay JVR isn't enough.
5.) 27 Aug 2016 23:26:58
Don't set the bar for trade markets based on anything Chiarelli does. The oilers got hosed on the Hall-Larsson trade. JVR for Lindholm is pretty close value if you factor in each teams needs at the moment. For ANA, adding a potential 30 goal man to play alongside Getzlaf and Perry gives them one of the best lines in the league, and fits with the "win now" situation they're in. They have enough young talent on the blue line to be stable for years, and chances are they'll lose one of them in expansion, so they may as well get something back. IF the leafs had to add, it should only take a conditional mid round pick or a middling prospect to get it done
6.) 28 Aug 2016 16:33:21
To be fair the trade market is set and precedence matters a lot to GM's. Of course Chiarelli got hosed (love saying that) but when there is a shortage the price does go up. If you check out Lindholm's stats in let's say a Hero Chart he stacks up REALLY well against many top flight defenders. That alone is expensive.
7.) 30 Aug 2016 15:02:12
28 Aug 2016 16:33:21
To be fair the trade market is set and precedence matters a lot to GM's. Of course Chiarelli got hosed (love saying that) but when there is a shortage the price does go up. If you check out Lindholm's stats in let's say a Hero Chart he stacks up REALLY well against many top flight defenders. That alone is expensive.
I agree with your thought process, but there are two teams here. reverse your thought and make it JVR the one . where are you going to get a possible 30 goal scorer. to do that you have to give up. if. you want him. I think Anaheim adds a 3rd
30 Jun 2016 17:34:52
I see all these trades at the deadline I say why wait to suck cause the more L's the better honestly the more we slide down the standings it's great so what I'm saying is let's do this
Bozak
To any team for a pick cause they get goal scoring depth
Tor: Holland
NJ: 3rd round pick
Tor: greening
For a 4th round or maybe 3rd
Tor: michalek
Arizona: 4th/ 5th.
1.) 30 Jun 2016 22:00:46
There's 30 - 40 M in contracts that can be moved to get rid of the older players, the dead weights, and the tradeable's while still of value.
That's a massive amount of payroll that can be moved for players/picks.
The Leaf fan base is ready for the long haul. Let's just hope management stays the course.
30 Jun 2016 05:14:41
29 Jun 2016 21:29:50
There is a method behind my madness Stamkos is reported to stay in Tampa and that Is GREAT for Toronto because it makes us significantly worse lol as it sounds the leafs need to sucks one more season JVR is a great player I love him really do but he's the next domino to fall due to the fact that he is unbelievably under paid and will demand an extension worth a lot more money. We are going to need to pay our big 3 prospects Nylander, marner and Matthews so we need money because cap space is the secret in today's NHL.
So Let's trade for a 1st pairing dman so let's suck for another year get a top 10 (praying top5) pick next year and pick up a defensemen (I wouldn't mind Nolan Patrick) but there is great defensemen like Timothy Liljegren or a 6'6 tower of Nicolas Hague
Toronto: JVR
Leivo
Wild:
Jonas Brodin/ Dumba
2nd round
6th round
Or
Toronto : JVR
ANA:
Vatanen
3rd round
(Basically JVR for d help)
Tell me what you guys would do I'm very curious.
1.) 30 Jun 2016 12:28:57
I personally wouldn't trade JVR till trade deadline. By then I think he will have been having his best season to date. After all he has never played with anyone of the caliber of Matthews before. I predict big things this season for JVR His value will be through the roof.
23 Jun 2016 16:24:16
So word is CBJ is trying to trade for the top pick and the price tag will be very steep this is a rough idea of what I was thinking
To Toronto :
Seth Jones
Brandon Sadd
3rd overall
4th round
To Columbus:
Gardiner
1st overall
JVR
3rd round
(Now Toronto can trade the 3rd pick down in the top 10 for an asset and take a defensemem )
1.) 23 Jun 2016 17:07:25
Not a chance. You draft your Center for the next 15 years
2.) 23 Jun 2016 19:41:43
How is this steep??
3.) 23 Jun 2016 20:19:11
Toronto_GM
You do realize Seth Jones is going to be a lot better than gardiner at 4 years younger too and Sadd is better than JVR and can score 30 goals too and he's younger
4.) 23 Jun 2016 22:04:07
Jones may be better than Gardiner, and but Saad isn't better than JVR right now. And the point is, you don't tank all year and win the right to take Matthews for an even trade. You just don't trade him. The only way the Leafs would move him would be for something completely ridiculous that the league probably wouldn't allow a team to do.
5.) 23 Jun 2016 22:07:12
JVR is a 60 pt player 4 years in a row if you extrapolate the 2 shorter seasons. Saad, while 4 years younger and more expensive has not delivered quite as much on much better teams.
Seth is or at least will be better than Gardiner but not by a whole lot. He hasn't matched him in points, but that will happen in a year or two.
There's no comparison to the #1 for the #3, and the Leafs need for a center is paramount.
So no, Toronto loses on this deal, even though the younger players would fit with their rebuild.
20 Jun 2016 23:25:48
Columbus looking for cap relief at #3 as the must resign Seth Jones among others something the leafs could offer
Columbus :
31
Sparks
Conner brown
SJ 2nd round
Toronto:
3rd overall
Scott Hartnell.
1.) 21 Jun 2016 00:31:11
Out of this world unrealistic trade values.
2.) 21 Jun 2016 01:28:21
Columbus laughs their ass off.
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10 Jul 2016 02:49:44
I think the leafs need to suck one more year so do as follows
Bring back sparks trade him for anyone willing to give something
Then sign Toskala where ever he is now playing in some men's league in Finland because he will back up about 20 games and that'll be 20 automatic losses.
1.) 10 Jul 2016 10:32:07
The Leafs will be hard pressed to fall below the "10 year running, all time kings of tanking" Oilers this year.
The Leafs D is better with Polak and Zaitsev added. The forward group will be improved this year, and the goaltending just took a large jump in the right direction.
It will be interesting to see if Laich, Michalek, Lupul(if allowed to play), & Holland; can still be so indifferent to effort and production.
Hopefully they get traded pre-season for picks. We have prospects that can step in for now.
Toskala wasn't the problem. It was the management who traded for him. The management that traded for "The Eagle", and then never bothered to plan for when the Eagle could no longer fly. It's been painful since.
29 Jun 2016 21:29:50
There is a method behind my madness Stamkos is reported to stay in Tampa and that Is GREAT for Toronto because it makes us significantly worse lol as it sounds the leafs need to sucks one more season JVR is a great player I love him really do but he's the next domino to fall due to the fact that he is unbelievably under paid and will demand an extension worth a lot more money. We are going to need to pay our big 3 prospects Nylander, marner and Matthews so we need money because cap space is the secret in today's NHL.
So Let's trade for a 1st pairing dman so let's suck for another year get a top 10 (praying top5) pick next year and pick up a defensemen (I wouldn't mind Nolan Patrick) but there is great defensemen like Timothy Liljegren or a 6'6 tower of Nicolas Hague
Toronto: JVR
Ottawa 2nd pick
Colombus :
Seth Jones
5th round
Or
Toronto : JVR
3rd
NJ:
Adam Larson
4th
Tell me what you guys would do I'm very curious.
18 Jun 2016 15:27:03
Stay away from the stamkos dream for the following reasons:
1. His age doesn't match our rebuild by the time we are ready to contend with our young guys he might be 29 years old making 8 million per
2: Matthews is going to be a #1 not 2 centre and you really don't want to stunt his development
3. Marner is better than expected and he is going to have to get paid eventually along with Mathews and Nylander
4. Andres Johnson, Timashov and Bracco to name a few are Diamonds in the Ruff and might be quality NHL'ers and they're going to need to be paid
5. Have Faith in the plan we are rebuilding the right way trust the long but sure process.
1.) 18 Jun 2016 15:49:42
Good reason. only thing I'd argue is Stamkos being 29 making 8-10 when leafs contend.
Crosby is 29 and making 8.7 and signed when he was 25 . 8.7 then is 10 now.
Who just won the cup 4 years after he signed a long deal
By the time Stamkos is 29 his 10 will be another players 14 of his skill. All those young guys the Leafs will need to sign will still be under 25 and still on first non entry contract which is usually 4- 7 years for 5-7 million. By then the cap will be at 90 million any ways.
In closing signing Stamkos makes sense but not signing him won't hurt. Its a win win either way
2.) 19 Jun 2016 19:39:35
In addition, Stamkos is one of the Gary Roberts school of fitness freaks and may very extend his level of play well into his 30's.
The blood clot issue being solved of course.
Who else would you want leading by example on scoring.
07 Jun 2016 03:34:27
I think Marner is better than expected hopefully he can add some muscle and make the team next year. Saying this we have three solid prospects to build around for the first time I can remember ( being 17 I don't know how far back) but this is the first time the leafs are doing it right. Everyone is high on trading picks which may not be a bad idea but I have the faith in Hunter and Dubis to pick out diamonds in the rough like last year (Bracco and Tymashov to name two not to mention Andreas Johnson from a while back ) so maybe keep the picks and put your faith in these guys.
08 May 2016 18:36:17
By no means am I saying the leafs should draft Laine but I must say he is impressing at the World Hockey Championships. The leafs are getting a great player no matter who they pick!
23 Jun 2016 20:19:11
Toronto_GM
You do realize Seth Jones is going to be a lot better than gardiner at 4 years younger too and Sadd is better than JVR and can score 30 goals too and he's younger
12 Jun 2016 00:02:26
Honestly I love this if a miracle were to happen like this I wouldn't be sad at all. However, some adjustments will have to be made we would probably have to take out smith and add Pronger to even the trade out as well as maybe a Percy or Kapenien
03 Feb 2016 19:25:58
I see Vessey coming to Toronto regardless. He will not sign with Nashville as well as his brother was drafted by Toronto not to mention his father is a scout for the leafs.
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