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15 Jan 2019 00:44:34
To dallas
Kadri
Gardiner

To toronto
Klingberg
Spezza

Kadri and klingbergs salary match and term is close also

A bit over 3m cap releif for dallas..dallas needs a 2C if they want to keep their big line together. Odviously Leafs need RHD..sometimes a change like this adds life to teams...just a thought..tell me your thoughts..

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1.) 15 Jan 2019 06:34:48
Can you imagine? Oh man. That would be so awesome. Klingberg is a perennial Norris candidate. What a fantastic 5th round pick he turned out to be. Kadri is on a sweet contract, but Klingberg’s is even sweeter, especially considering he is one of the elite players at his position, which just so happens to be the hardest position to fill. If we could get Rielly/ Klingberg Dermott/ Liljegren as our top 4 next year, you got to think we would have a defenseman nominated for Norris every year.


 

 

14 Jan 2019 22:41:42
To edm
Kadri

To tor
Larsson

Since babcock doesn't like to put kadri on wing of either top units dubas should just solve his d problem by doing this deal. Edmonton can now use kadri and RNH on second unit and some skill is there...

If either team needs to add just write it down and we can all have a good old debate..

Craigger12

1.) 14 Jan 2019 23:02:46
Unless Leafs plan on depleting the gram system, then outside of Nylander, Kadri is our next best trade chip to land us 1RHD. A real solid player that can be used in either a scoring or checking capacity and can play both special teams, he’s on a sweet contract and is more like a 2C than a 3C. I expect demand for a player of Kadri’s ability with a contract like his would be attractive to a lot of teams.

We can use Marleau, Nylander, or even Lindholm to play 3C, and if still uncomfortable with any of those guys, then we can trade for one. A decent 3C is probably not going to be overly expensive to acquire through trade and salary won’t break the bank.

Not sure Edmonton coughs up Larsson. He is Edmonton’s only decent RHD. They have McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH to play three deep up the middle already if they wanted, so I don’t know if Kadri is the right piece for them to part with Larsson. But I think you definitely have the right idea. I have to believe that even if Edmonton doesn’t make this trade, a team that is deeper in RHD and looking for secondary scoring would.


 

 

08 Jan 2019 01:18:49
To Toronto
Mark Stone

To Ott
2019 1st
2020 3rd
Timashev
Stotts
kral

Bunch of possibilities for a ufa who instantly makes toronto better on either wing which opens up a trade to deal johnsson/kapanen to get a dman..thought?

Craigger12

1.) 08 Jan 2019 02:41:11
Stone is having an outstanding year. Just absolutely fantastic. Ottawa’s might not feel comfortable running the risk of losing Stone to free agency, and will trade him by deadline if an extension hasn’t been agreed on. The trade value for a player of Stone’s caliber, who just so happens to be having a career year playing at an elite level, is going to be high, even as a rental. If Ottawa doesn’t earn a return on their UFA’s at such a critical moment in the franchise, heads are going to roll. Ottawa may actually be able to get more out than what they put in, and that’s rare. If Leafs pursue a rental at deadline, a guy like Stone, who is playing his heart out, is a guy you want. The momentum is already there.


2.) 08 Jan 2019 10:39:16
I agree with leafsgm I think stone will cost you a Johnsson a 1st and prospects.


3.) 08 Jan 2019 14:35:27
Ya Stone is a wicked hockey player in his prime. He also said that he wants to re-sign with Ottawa, so he is going to be worth a lot if the leafs want him.


 

 

06 Jan 2019 10:21:40
To Tor
Pirri
Hunt
Fucale

To Vegas
Timashev
Holl
2019 3rd

Pirri just got sent down after 9pts in 7 games simply because he could. Bring him home toronto..see what he can do while hyman and ennis are out...worst case scenerio for him is he goes for calder cup with marlies..Hunt is a solid RHD man who has had ups and downs. With miller about ready to come back Hunt is odd man out so why not try him out..worst case is he adds proven depth that holl could not. Fucale use to be awesome..something happened but marlues need help while hutchison is in nhl..

Prospect that is ok plus a dman who needs a change and a 3rd is about the value of a bunch maybes..

What do you think?

Craigger12

1.) 06 Jan 2019 16:44:37
After claiming Zykov and having Pacioretty return from injury, Pirri was the odd duck out. He was waiver ineligible, so he gets to be the fall guy while Vegas gives Zykov a test run. He was playing with Tuch and Stastny too. Very impressive showing as that line was nothing short of outstanding. He’s a little older, but his stats are pretty good. An AHL journeyman for sure, he would probably have limited opportunity in Toronto too. That’s not to say we shouldn’t give him a shot. I just don’t know how he would fit on the team really after Hyman comes back. But hey, that’s not the necessarily the GM’s problem now is it? Leave it to the coach to figure out where to play him if he gets played. I say give Pirri a shot. He could be replacement for Lindholm next year.

I think you nailed it in your explanation. All these guys have their attractions for us, and Vegas has incentive to move all them. Holl was given a chance. He’s trade bait now. This trade gives us extra depth and flexibility without costing us anything. I see no reason why Leafs shouldn’t make a deal like this.

I like discussing these low level depth deals. Most guys on this site seem to shy away from these type of proposals and prefer to stick to the bigger names. But I find that limits conversation.


2.) 06 Jan 2019 21:18:57
Just keepin it fresh. lol. not all are good but hey without trying how would you ever know if it worked. it takes many fails to succeed.


3.) 06 Jan 2019 23:10:24
After seeing Furcale in the Spengler cup and the last 6 or 7 games with Vegas seems like a good deal.

Wouldn’t mind signing Bieksa to a PTO. Have him work out until the trade deadline and then sign him. Same goes for Rick Nash.


 

 

06 Jan 2019 01:56:26
To Tor
Hamilton

To carolina
Dermott
1st 2019
2nd 2020

Not much explanation here except carolina has 5 righties..

Thought?

Craigger12

1.) 06 Jan 2019 07:08:11
Would rather keep Dermott and the Picks. Hamilton is overrated and doesn't help the Cap situation.


2.) 06 Jan 2019 07:21:33
I’m sorry Craigger, but we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Absolutely not. Dermott is an outstanding young player. He’s receiving more ice time and is being used increasingly in critical times in the game, his possession metrics are exceptional. He’s cost controlled and will be on the team for the next decade before he smells free agency. Gardiner’s replacement next year, Dermott has the potential to be Rielly’s replacement in four years if Leafs can’t afford to re-sign him.

Hamilton is a very good player in his own right. Top 25 defenseman in the league. He would fortify that 1RHD that most analysts identify as the Leafs biggest need heading into the playoffs. In the short term, he would be a perfect plug until Liljegren is ready. But I’m not convinced Dermott is the right player to be sending back to Carolina in return. Maybe for Pesce, but even then I have to question if I would trade Dermott for him.

Carolina trading Hanifin for Hamilton was a questionable trade imo. I think it will be one Waddell will regret dearly.


3.) 06 Jan 2019 13:10:21
Craigger and Leafs GM.

Hamilton is too expensive to fit into next year’s salary Cap. Leafs can expend a total of $16.5 -$16.8 MM in salaries for 7 defensemen.

When you keep Rosen, Liljegren, Dermott and Ohziganov - there is a total of $3.4 MM + $5 MM for Reilly totaling $8.4 MM.

You can add another $8.1-$8.4 MM, pick your top 2 RHD for that sum or should you keep Zaitsev - the opening is a max of $4 MM.

This is simple math, the rest does not matter. Marleau and Zaitsev remains the killer salaries. When you suggest trades.

Ultimately, one of these two players must be addressed in conjunction with other trades.


4.) 06 Jan 2019 15:39:44
LeafsGM i agree with you. However, with a closer look dermott only plays against 3rd and 4th liners. He is a good dman but my thinking was move hainsey down to 3rd unit D and he will be just as affective as dermott. Then next season with gardiner and hainsey needing to be replaced you can sign methot, delzotto, nemeth, sbisa, chiarot, hunt.
If rosen is ready then you only need to sign one of those guys.
If sandin is ready (very unlikely) then you need none of them.

If dermott is the dealbreaker of not getting hamilton than maybe Zaitsev, Bracco and 1st may do the trick. either way if carolina is shopping him than toronto should get him.

Love the responses and opinions everyone. keep them coming. without opinions noone would ever grow.


5.) 06 Jan 2019 17:08:37
I like the alternative you suggest much better. Like Heatdreamer said, Zaitsev’s contract sticks out like a sore thumb. Hamilton is a very good player who would benefit the Leafs if we can get him for the right price. Carolina can definitely use Bracco a lot more than we can. Not sure how much use they would have for Zaitsev. They are stacked at RHD. But if they would take him off our hands, they deserve the 1st as well.

I have a gut feeling Carolina is looking for forwards still. They lost Zykov to waivers and that’s put them in bad position for depth again now. They need to be clearing out defenders to make room for forwards. Carolina made some questionable trades this summer and the Hamilton trade was one of them. I don’t think Waddell is going to get back what he put in. A 1st + prospect + roster player is more than fair. If they don’t want Zaitsev they can take their pick of Lindholm, Gauthier, Ennis, etc.


6.) 06 Jan 2019 17:21:38
@craigger

I love your posts. And you are obviously mature enough to take a bit of feedback without acting like a baby. When you float as many proposals as you, myself, Heatdreamer, mostleaf, and a few other contributors on here do, not all of them are going to make everyone happy. It’s disagreement that makes this site possible. If we all agreed to every proposal, we would sound like a bunch of yes men. Everyone has their own ideas about what’s best for the team. And this forum gives them opportunity to voice that opinion.

This is still my favourite rumors and discussion forum, and its guys like you that make this site so enjoyable. Cheap entertainment, I find myself passing time at work (and sometimes at home lol) by doing a bit of research on teams and players and teams and thinking up proposals. It makes the day go by and keeps me out of trouble and gives a better love for the game.


7.) 06 Jan 2019 21:21:51
The only real question here is

Why can't Hamilton stick to 1 team for a prolonged time?

Is it his good contract making it very tradeable
Or is it him


Thanks for the comments LeafGM. i find myself addicted to hearing and making rumors. i love cheap entertainment.


 

 

 

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14 Jan 2019 22:47:32
I think this deal could happen without the picks.

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14 Jan 2019 00:53:51
Kapanen and dermott for pieterangelo. sucks but i truely believe that's what its going to take.

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14 Jan 2019 00:51:05
Last summer i really wanted leafs to sign riley. he was everything you described. He is really having a rough go at it this year. You could even go as far as saying gauthier is having a better season then him. at 2.75 if leafs don't trade kadri this money may weigh them down a bit. if riley gets back to his level last season it may go a long way in defeating the bruins this year. however, if he remains how he is doing this year he will be an expensive flaw. guess its the question is he worth the risk for the possible reward. the fact he can also be a winger i'd say go for it. but then again what if he continues to suck?

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14 Jan 2019 00:43:37
Good deals and explainng on each one. i don't object on either of these deals and feel other teams involved may actually go for them. You not only get the leafs out of zaitsevs contract but also add some grit to their lineup.

Well done.

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13 Jan 2019 02:20:13
If 31 in 31 is lights out in AHL than why not try a 39 in 37 kind of player who won't cost a pick plus 3 million in salary moving forward.

Give Chris Mueller a chance before making such a deal.

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