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16 Sep 2019 18:54:43
just to save 2.5 million

to van

to tor

Virtanen is in Greens doghouse
Joulevi was once a great prospect

2 projects for babcock to work with

Kapanen gives vancouver a top 6 forward on their team even when Beoser gets signed

yeah another kapanen trade but not much else can happen without some cap money...this does that


1.) 16 Sep 2019 21:21:21
Rather keep Kappy that's the big thing. Only way I would be ok seeing Kapanen go is if it was for someone better than Ceci even though I do want to see what Ceci has to offer on a real team first.

2.) 16 Sep 2019 22:56:06
Yeah, i agree. i just don't see to many teams helping out toronto at all now. They are so over the cap but have manipulated it to the point teams will only take on cap if the player is good and they get rid of close to bust players.

I to would rather just keep kapanen but if cap must move out at some point i think kapanen may be the only option as nylander just makes to much for other gms to feel comfortable. You never know though.



13 Sep 2019 23:19:43
To tor
Julius honka

To dall
3rd 2020

Haha no more marner deals..he went down a bit leafs went up a bit...now let's talk stanley cup for next 5-6 years....


1.) 14 Sep 2019 05:08:47
I still think Marner got overpaid for the record but I can live with that deal. I was going to post an identical deal for Honka but a 2nd instead of a 3rd.

2.) 14 Sep 2019 08:42:42
At 27 years old, I think it’s safe to say that Holl’s time in the nhl is going to be very limited. Not that Honka is nuch better. At this point the 3rd probably has the best chance at making the nhl. I think Dallas might consider this. They have quite a few good defensemen now. Honka is never going to be top 4 for them. Maybe they think the 3rd has more value to them than Honka. Holl is a cap dump that keeps the contract numbers and salaries matched. I like his size.

3.) 14 Sep 2019 09:37:50
Anyone know why Leafs aren’t giving 8 year deals? If I was Toronto I would be locking these guys down for maximum amount of time possible.

4.) 14 Sep 2019 12:53:35
For every year of UFA added to any guy then the price gets driven up. youve got to have both parties agree to 8 years. Matthews and marner would of been 13++ million guys for 8 years. Kapanen and johnsson would of got 5-6 million on 8 year deal. No cap space for these types of deals.

Thats my take on the whole 8 year contracts.

5.) 14 Sep 2019 13:38:16
Getting marner on 6 year deal gives the leafs 1 year into his ufa year.

By 2024 (the summer if marner only signed 5 year deal) signing a highly skilled ufa (much like panerin this season) might cost 16-20 million. So getting that extra year at 10.893 will be a hell of a steal. Way to get that extra year Dubas.

6.) 14 Sep 2019 15:12:00
8 year deals. Not. all these young punks want their bucks and then hit pay dirt again on their next contract when there still is s 2 as the first digit in their age when this contract expires. And Matthews marner nylander are all getting what they want. It’s pretty easy to figure that out leafsgm.

7.) 14 Sep 2019 16:26:27
Although I would have preferred Matthews deal for a minimum of 6 years, I feel Marner for 6 was ideal for both sides.

For arguments sake, assume Matthews wanted $13M on a LTD, I heard talk from Dreger about $14M and rubbish. So to have the team assembled as is for the next 4 - 5 years is a tremendous job by Dubas.

8.) 15 Sep 2019 00:45:30
My understanding is the longer the term, the lower the AAV. The player takes less for the security of a long term deal. 8 years at $9M is $72M, which is significantly more than 6x11=$66M. The player takes the lower AAV for the security of a bigger payday now. By taking a shorter term deal, the player is gambling on himself that he will continue to be producing and playing at a high level of play when the contract ends. If he gets hurt or starts to play like crap, he won’t get anywhere close to that again. that's why those huge long term front loaded contracts got banned. They spread the AAV out over so many years that the superstars were signing for less than market value for extra long term deals. It inverted the salaries. Or something like that.

I don’t know. I only go by what I read. I’ve never actually been involved in a negotiation.

9.) 16 Sep 2019 06:29:18
From every going negotiation for awhile now short term is less money long term is more money. Mathews, Nylander and Marner all on 8 year deals would have wanted an absurd amount of money.



13 Sep 2019 21:04:30
To dallas
Holl or schmaltz
3rd rd pick

To toronto
Julius Honka

To carolina
Riley Stotts
Nick Abruzzese

To Toronto
Anttoni Honka



1.) 13 Sep 2019 21:35:11
Too many Honkas for me

They are no Plager Boys.

2.) 13 Sep 2019 22:03:45
I don’t see any reason not to make these deals. Though I think you are overvaluing these guys a bit. Maybe because he was a 1st round pick, I don’t know, but Julius Honka seems to be valued pretty highly still among fantasy forums, despite the fact that virtually every analyst report I read on him seem to think he’s a bust. He’s 23. This is about the time he steps up or forever be an AHL lifer. At this point it’s a bit of a crapshoot who makes it and who doesn’t. I’d rather keep our three pieces than take on their one. I really don’t think Honka has any better chance at this point than the 3rd itself.

3.) 13 Sep 2019 23:02:15
Would give up that much for Honka but wouldn't mind having him. He just requested a trade so probably won't take alot.

4.) 13 Sep 2019 23:09:47
I like these trades actually and we should get off the Marner trades because he just signed.

5.) 13 Sep 2019 23:40:28
He wants out so why not give him a shot. Need to lose a roster RHD to make room for him. If that is enough why not? With leafs have to add a prospect or lower pick for dallas to bite why not?

GMs may be mad at the leafs due to the new marner deal so it might take a little more to get anyone right now. Either way 6 years of marner is better than 3 and 10.893 is better than 11 soooo. giddy up. no more marner deals

Apparently marner gave homage to gilmour with the final 2 digets

Happy friday the 13th. gee what a symbol. leafs and marner with that AAV number becomes a nightmare for gms to sign other rfas. lol. its a whole new NHL.

6.) 13 Sep 2019 23:51:25
Honk honk.

7.) 14 Sep 2019 08:25:00
This opens the gates. Everyone will sign soon all at once now.

8.) 14 Sep 2019 08:54:34
Now that $10M Mark is being broken in all positions, salaries are going to really start escalating.

9.) 15 Sep 2019 06:52:09
Is Honka any good? I don't know anything about him but the fact he was a first round pick. Why hasn't he made Dallas's lineup in the last. 5 years?

10.) 16 Sep 2019 06:30:07
Because he is basically a bust at this point.



12 Sep 2019 22:04:39
To Det

To Tor



1.) 12 Sep 2019 22:54:12
Take out athanasiou and green add mantha leafs will need a top 6 forward back and green would be a great bet to have but I don’t see the need for him.

2.) 12 Sep 2019 23:49:08
Jesus man the Holl giveaway continues haha.

I like the addition of Athanasiou looks like a solid player. If I remember correctly a centre but can always move to the wing.

Not sure why Green is added in he misses a bunch of time last year, hasn't played a full season in what 10 years? and is ageing but maybe I'm under valueing him.

I like both prospects included in the deal as the Leafs don't have many left at this point so it would be nice to add some to the system.

I think my main issue is only, how does this help right now? Seems more like a backwards move in a contention year with some upside down the road. Veleno has upside but who knows with prospects. Would rather have a Mantha+ for Marner if Detroit is the target but maybe I missed something in here that someone else can point out. Like the target and it's an original post.

3.) 13 Sep 2019 00:41:14
No thanks from Toronto.

4.) 13 Sep 2019 02:08:44
McIsaac is a good choice. I would rather have him than Hronek or Cholowski at this point. He would be our second good LHD prospect to go along with Sandin. Green is an obvious cap dump and I’m fine with him for a season. It would be good to have him around in case Ceci sucks the bag. Now Veleno might be a deal killer. Athanasiou is a 30 goal scorer and adequate replacement for Marner. Along with Green, who is still a decent depth defenseman, and McIsaacc, I don’t think Wings throw in Veleno, who they have high hopes becomes 2C Behring Larkin for them.

5.) 13 Sep 2019 12:10:04
couple mixed reviews here but great input everyone. just trying to figure out Marners true value. so tough.



12 Sep 2019 22:08:01
To Aniheim

To toronto



1.) 12 Sep 2019 22:20:24
What's with the Holl giveaway lol every deal now includes Holl.

2.) 12 Sep 2019 22:47:17
Ceci makes too much to trade
Schmaltz just got here and is not much differant than Holl
Liljegren is getting a shot to crack team

Dermott is hurt but probably won't get traded
Harpur just got here can't see him dealt with dermott hurt
Sandin is getting a shot to crack team
Gravol is a fill in insurance policy so no trade value
Marincin has no trade value

Reilly, muzzin and barrie are no goes

That leaves Holl. ok player. nothing special probably no trade value but since getting a roster RHD kinda got to give one back. no other options really. could replace Holl with Schmaltz i guess.

3.) 13 Sep 2019 00:42:21
No to Manson
Dubas can do better.

4.) 13 Sep 2019 02:25:57
It seems a little lukewarm to me. Both these guys are good, but not great. It’s a stretch to even call them very good. They are above average, but a few tiers below Marner’s level for sure.

Silfverberg is 28 years old. He is consistent 20g 40p guy. A 3rd line player on the Leafs. With 5 years left, I wonder if he might decline fairly steeply the last couple years of his contract.

I like Manson, but his value is low right now, coming off a weak year. Still, he hits lots, can actually play real defense, while chipping in on the rush now and then. I think he would be a good 1RHD for us, and playing on a good team like the Leafs, he has potential to sneak back into top 50 again.

We take a massive downgrade up front for an upgrade in back. But how big an upgrade is Manson over what we already have now? Let’s face it, he’s not better than Barrie or Muzzin. So he would our 4th best defenseman?

5.) 13 Sep 2019 02:29:52
Anaheim, Columbus, Philly and Carolina seem like most logical trade partners for the Leafs. I don't think the Leafs are getting enough in your proposal though I like the idea of getting top 4 RH dman and a forward back for Marner. Wonder what the Leafs would have to add to make a Manson and Rackell trade for Marner and? trade to work?

6.) 13 Sep 2019 12:12:19
yes, glimmo those seem to be the teams to deal with to get best value back and they can fit marner in their cap situations.

Rackell would take something real good to lure him from aniheim. that's why i used silfverberg. such a great defensive forward and with tavares could become a 70 point guy.

again, just trying to find what marners true value is. very difficult due to the circumstances at the moment.

great feedback everyone. always appreciate it.




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21 Sep 2019 21:53:12
Marner, ratanen, laine and aho in my mind could fetch a top 4 D, solid 6-9 forward as a cap dump and a top end prospect

Connor, boeser, and tkachuk in my mouth mind could fetch a top 4D and 9-12 forward as a cap dump and a 2nd tier prospect

Werenski, mcavoy and provorov in my mind could fetch a top 6 forward and top end prospect

This was before any signed. now its a little different and of course just my own personal opinion.




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21 Sep 2019 21:44:02
I like honka and think leafs could get him with a 3rd alone and just hand them marincin so babcock can't overplay since he is on dallas now. can't play what you don't have. the dubas way.




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21 Sep 2019 21:41:29
I don't the trades but i just don't see carolina doing this only gecause of the retained salary on it. If they retain they become over the cap.

The second trade can't happen due to that can't be traded due to the stipulation attached to it.

Now if give carolina that first instead of the other picks and take off the retained on pesce than the deal works

Give aniheim the the picks you gave carolina then everything works.

I still don't want ritchie that bad but hey as far as the deals they work with the corrections and seem to be good value. good work.




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21 Sep 2019 16:49:14
Laine just loves his video games. Nothing wrong with it unless it interferes with your performance at any job non video game related.

Ill admit his goal scoring is elite top3-5 in the league. Last november i believe it was he got 18 that month. he isn't a fluke he is legit.

Pesce with a salary dump and a prospect to me is his value and if i was a jets fan knowing buff may be gone and after losing so much in offseason i'd be happy woth hat since you are dealing strength for weakness. I said the same for marner. Nylander all i said was pesce straight up.

I made similar proposals value wise for both laine and connor to 3 teams but jet fans want a 1rhd and a 2C and a top prospect. even i wasnt that greedy. lol.




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21 Sep 2019 12:25:24
When nylander and marner weren't getting signed others came to leafs site and made proposals. Everyone said once marner signed all the rfas would follow. Well a week later and 4 massive rfas haven't signed. Then Big Buff doesn't show up to training camp and winnipeg appears to be screwed.

I had a little fun on winnipegs site. i even got called a homer when i'm a leaf fan making non leaf related trades. Memarcuswhateverhisnameis think its joe is a fun character. lol. redwing at least puts up some effort sometimes in his responses.

Anyhow, i'm done playing now so back to the site that has the best most logical discussion. thanks leaf fans and some others.





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