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18 Aug 2020 19:14:33
how bout this
CAR: 1st holl andersen
TOR: slavin 6th
TOR:ekholm
NAS:kapanen 3rd
i thick it helps all teams
CAR gets a decent goalie and a 1st
TOR gets two defensemen which they really need
NAS gets a decent forward and a 3rd plus kapanen
it could even be better for the players, both kapanen and ekholm are both overshadowed by other players on their teams so with the switch the both get more attention and ice time and after andersen's ups and downs in TOR maybe its time for a fresh start
WIN-WIN for everyone
1.) 18 Aug 2020 19:23:47
so i accidentally put "plus kapanen" with what smashville gets so just pretend that's not there.
2.) 18 Aug 2020 21:00:32
Carolina won’t give you Slavin for that. You will have to start with Marner.
3.) 18 Aug 2020 21:19:04
If you want a D call Carolina. every summer they deal one. every summer they sign one. every trade deadline they deal for one. its the carolina way and it seems to work.
Slavin, skjei, gardiner, fluery, hamilton and pesce. not a bad 6 for next year. With the very good bean mckeown pairing ready to make the nhl jump carolina is due to deal yet another D. Who will it be. they all have term and good contracts.
You went with Slavin. Excellent choice. Problem is much like rielly, slavin can't plsy the right side. some can play both he can not. However, like rielly he plays the left side amazing. With muzzin and rielly do the leafs need him? Heck yeah.60 minutes of guarenteeing a great dman. don't care who they partner with that's 60 minutes.
Now the return. andersen yes carolina could use but with their D and their team D a great goalie isn't needed. andersen is an upgrade though . Holl is a RD getting dealt for a LD and carolina has plenty of LD and short on RD so that's a plus. That 1st will suck not having in 2021 but Slavin is well worth it.
I still think something is missing. (Bracco lol) . the deal presented Carolina may decline but you never know. marner is too far the one way but andersen 1st and holl may not be enough the other way. good start though just needs to be tweeked.
Suggestion
Kapanen Holl Andersen 1st
For
Slavin and reimer.
4.) 18 Aug 2020 21:25:23
Nashville is a Dman factory.
Reason why is because they hold on to the good ones to help develop the young ones then move on from the young one for a new young one.
Josi and ellis are the 1st pairing and no matter who the young one is ekholm is the left side D partner of the young one. Right now Fabbro is the young jeti. much like hughes and makar, fabbro is an offendive gem. Also much like makar and hughes he is very raw in the defensive end. He too like the others needs a defendive dman to partner with to backup his gambling mistakes. those gambles payoff more when you know you have a partner backing you. vancouver and colorado figured this out quickly and have made makar and hughes do their thing without worry. now nashville will do the same as ekholm is the man who has the young guns back so nashville says no.
5.) 18 Aug 2020 22:48:50
Slavin and Ekholm are both LHD. Both are excellent LHD. But LHD nonetheless. Would I love to have them both on the team. Of course. But kind of redundant with so many LHD.
Also, you traded Andersen and didn't bring in a replacement. So you have to factor in the cost of signing a goalie. Can we afford to do that after these trades? Off the top of my head, I don't think so.
18 Aug 2020 18:55:19
how bout this
TOR:hamilton/slavin/dumba
CAR/MIN:1st holl andersen 2nd
i think this could work for both teams CAR/MIN gets a upgrade on their goalie pair and some picks and the leafs get a defenceman which they desperately need
1.) 18 Aug 2020 19:13:15
Are you trading for anyone of the 3? Or is that a Hamilton and Slavin or Dumba?
2.) 18 Aug 2020 19:15:32
any of the three.
3.) 18 Aug 2020 19:17:37
any of the three it would be a gross underpayment for hamilton and slavin.
4.) 18 Aug 2020 21:30:03
Hamilton and dumba make more sense than slavin even though slavin best of 3 but RD is needed.
Like what i wrote on Slavin much same to any of these deals.
Add kappy might make other teams happy.
5.) 18 Aug 2020 21:31:02
You keep dealing andersen. who replaces him?
Just wondering really.
6.) 18 Aug 2020 22:56:19
Hamilton is a pending UFA next year. He sucks anyway. The league's biggest pussy. Huge overpay for a pending UFA that is afraid of his own shadow.
Slavin is a much better choice than Dumba, but I doubt Carolina does this.
This package for Dumba though has got to be close to fair. I don't think Wild does it though because they made it clear they want a top 6 forward back for Dumba. (Actually they wanted a 1C but won't get it) .
06 Jun 2020 11:22:45
assuming my math was corect (probally not) the cap would be just shy of 80,000,000 (including kerfoot and kessel) but here goes (dont roast me to hard):
seattle takes kerfoot,
trade malgin,liljigren 5th round pick for fabbri,
marincin and johnsson and a 3rd for savard,
andersen, kapanen and a 7th for keller,
dermott for a conditional 3rd (if ottawa enters the playoffs and the leafs don't it becomes a 4th),
sign markstrom and maroon,
resign spezza
hyman matthews marner
keller,tavares,nylander
mikeyev fabbri maroon
engvall gauthier spezza
rielly savard
muzzin holl
lehtonin sandin
markstrom campbell
personally i love andersen and dermott and i like kapanen but i think about the best option for the team.
1.) 06 Jun 2020 13:03:21
The malgin and Marincin trades are not post worthy
And the Keller trade why?
2.) 06 Jun 2020 16:55:00
Whoa. There's a lot wrong here
The expansion draft isn't until next year, so Kerfoot won't be getting picked by Seattle until the end of next year
You are underpaying for Fabbri. No way Detroit accepts that after they struck gold trading for him
No way Arizona accepts Andersen in a trade. They just re-signed Raanta and Kuemper. Kuemper especially is not going anywhere.
I'd rather keep Dermott than trade him for a mid round pick. I think the conditions on the pick are wrong anyway. If Ottawa makes the playoffs and Leafs don't, Leafs should be recieving higher compensation, not less.
Overall it is still a relatively vague proposal. You don't mention how much or how long you are signing guys for. How can we see if you are under your $80M cap if you don't provide the details?
Keep trying. It takes time, but with practice you will be get the hang of it. It's all for fun, yes, but has to be rooted in reality.
3.) 06 Jun 2020 17:08:27
You have posted almost the identical proposal three times. I know you are new to the forum and still looking for feedback to improve your posts, but I would look at different options throughout the NHL and see if your stretegies would work with other teams and other players
Some of the contributors on here can be a little ruthless at times (I'm looking at you mph. Lol) . But mostly guys will try to help you improve your posts for the future. It's pretty obvious that you are younger and just getting into the whole thing, so I'm sure most guys on here will encourage you to keep posting. And since no one likes to read one-sided junk proposals, I'm also sure that you will be led in the right direction. Hopefully gently. Unfortunately, of you don't want to get roasted, you can't keep posting the same proposal repeatedly with the same flaws.
I would also recommend responding to the contributors posts as well and carry on with the banter and discussion there. It will encourage more back and forth and you will learn more that way too.
PS. Click on your username and it will take you to your post history with all your old trades and the responses to those trades. You can let up comments on any props you posted and read the comments there if you weren't able to read them before the post got buried.
4.) 06 Jun 2020 19:58:10
I think the cap may even be lower so a team like the Leafs will have to do some cost cutting moves to keep their 4 expensive forwards and make room for Andersen after this season and Reilly the next. Don't forget that Bracco is an RFA this season. lol.
5.) 06 Jun 2020 21:22:32
Bracco alone is going to be another $10M.
29 May 2020 10:24:47
(again don't roast me to hard) so how about this:
trade andersen and johnsson for picks,
tor trades: malgin, lijegren and a 6th for fabbri,
trade holl for picks,
gauthier for either picks or a defence,
leafs sign markstrom and maroon
seattle takes kerfoot
hyman,matthews,marner
nylander,tavares,mikheyev
engvall,fabbri,kapanen
speeza brooks maroon
rielly, muzzin
sandin, dermott
lehtonen,rosen(defenceman from gauthier trdae)
markstrom,campbell
thoughts or suggestions?
1.) 29 May 2020 10:33:53
i didn't trade many defense cause rosen sandin and lehtonen are young and dermott imo is extremely underrated. then reilly and muzzin are arguable the best on the leafs defence.
2.) 29 May 2020 12:09:08
Only issue I see is your whole blue line is lefty’s.
3.) 29 May 2020 13:10:42
The only issue?
4.) 29 May 2020 13:43:31
Expansion draft isn't until next summer, so you still have Kerfoot on the team unless you trade him for picks
Have you run the numbers on this to make sure it fits under the cap? The best way to do this is, since Leafs are at cap max, all you have to do is balance salary in vs. salary out.
What are you signing all your FA for? Depending on what you are signing your free agents for, it looks like you might be over the cap.
5.) 29 May 2020 14:14:18
Why expose Kerfoot and lose him for nothing anyway? He's a good player. Surely you can trade him and earn a good return and just expose a lesser player?
6.) 29 May 2020 17:14:30
I can't really say it's bad because you haven't really specifically named most parts of the trade. What picks are players traded for? What defence does the goat get? What are you signing guys for? Etc.
7.) 29 May 2020 19:31:51
dunno if the team is that much better as for the numbers he has about 9.5mil to Fabbri, Maroon and Markstrom…. and that is with Kerfoot in the line up as expension is still a year away. also Barabanov is going to be pissed as he came all the way to north America to not make this team. in my review I added him and removed brooks. to get to the 9.5 mil remaining to sign. assuming the guys like dermott and spezza and mikheyev sign for what I gave them.1.5 for soupy,2mil for dermott 700k for spezza.
8.) 31 May 2020 02:41:09
It's a vague proposal. I understand glossing over the "minor" parts. For example, when you say trade Gauthier for a defenseman, my understanding is that you are saying "dump Gauthier for whatever league minimum defenseman we can get back in return. ". Is that really the best idea though? We already have a lot of very good depth defenseman. I would rather keep Gauthier than trade him for another plug that we don't need in the back end.
And when you say "sign all these guys", I assume you mean give them the bare minimum in terms of salary and term they will accept. Except Markstrom won't be cheap. He'll want a major deal his next contract. So that's a pretty big signing to gloss over.
And when you say "trade Johnsson and Andersen for picks" I take it you are saying "dump both those guys for whatever you can get". Which might not be a whole lot, considering Andersen is UFA, and Johnsson is coming back from an injury plagued season that saw low production. We would be lucky to get a 4th round for either of those guys right now. The market just isn't there. It's going to be a buyers market this off season as teams try to unload contracts to gain cap space. With the cap not going up anymore, it's going to leave a lot of teams in a bad spot, including the Leafs. Trying to dump a UFA goalie and a middle six winger aren't going to pay big. Especially when you consider that guys like Lehner and Markstrom can be signed outright without having to surrender assets for them. So why would someone trade anything for Andersen right now?
Look at what Vegas paid for Lehner. That's probably about the most return you could expect for Andersen right now. And I doubt you would get even that. Vegas paid up because they needed a goalie for the playoffs. Nobody needs a goalie for the off season.
27 May 2020 18:14:42
(this site is for fun so don't roast me too hard).
leafs trade:
Andersen(his contracts almost up) and a conditional 3rd round pick(where if cunucks win the stanley cup it becomes a 5th round pick)
canucks trade:
demko and stecher
seattle takes kerfoot. leafs sign: leivo, maroon and clifford/spezza. trade malgin, johnsson and gauthier for draftpicks. leafs trade holl and a 4th/3rd for fabbri.
hyman,matthews,marner
mikheyev,tavares,nylander
engvall,fabbri,leivo
clifford/spezza,brooks,maroon
rielly,muzzin
sandin,stecher
dermott,lehtonen
campbell,demko
thoughts?
1.) 27 May 2020 18:16:41
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.
2.) 27 May 2020 18:16:47
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.
3.) 27 May 2020 18:24:26
Vancouver is somewhere between a rebuild and contending. I don't think they want a rental goalie for demko.
Leivo won't sign. He would want a bigger role than he will be given.
4.) 27 May 2020 19:14:13
what do you think needs to changed (sorry for any double comments my computer isn't working all to good right now.
5.) 27 May 2020 19:20:47
It make sense for the Leafs to try and trade Andersen before he becomes an older, expensive, UFA. The Leafs don't need to be saddled with a Carey Price type of contract. There are a lot of younger and cheaper top end goalies that are UFA every season.
6.) 27 May 2020 19:40:07
if leivo doesn't sign who should they sign/ trade for instead.
7.) 27 May 2020 19:46:11
I wouldn't sign a winger of any kind. Really no need to pick up anymore forwards with what is currently on the roster and in the system.
I would like to see Gudas signed. LHD and I seem to be big fans of his lol.
For a goalie there are innumerable choices. There are a tonne of goalies available that won't be able to demand Bobrovski/ price type contracts.
8.) 27 May 2020 19:58:45
Is Demko any good? I mean it’s a leap trading your current starter for a backup goalie.
9.) 27 May 2020 20:36:40
the way i see it is that demko could take over starter for andersen and campbell (if they trade i'm in the future) and he would be younger and cheaper for the future.
10.) 27 May 2020 21:16:01
Welcome to the site. i'd be up for the Andersen trade especially if we could get them to include joulevi. My outlook on them being between rebuild and hopeful Is that they likely want to go for it in pettersen and Hughes elc's I'm a big fan of leivo's but I don't see him resigning in toronto. I'd love to see him given a chance in the top 6. He was just one of those players babcock decided he didn't like and ruined his chances in TO
I would have loved to see a top 9 of
Hyman tavares nylander
Leivo Matthews marner
Micheyev kadri kapanen
Literally just sign pk players and don't play then unless you are short handed
Defense pairings
Reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl
Sandin dermott
Lehtonen lily
Marincin
Hell change up the concept and run 9 forwards 9 defenseman
Marincin is only penalty kill rotate the other 8
reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl get 20 minutes each a night reilly gardiner offensive starts muzzin holl defensive starts and you put the other 2 pairs in when they need breaks, you then run 3 defenseman and a forward for draws on the penalty kill, unless you have a defenseman who can take the draws. I like to look at things through a different lens some times. People may like the idea or find it crazy but I'm just here to try and generate conversation. When I'm not busy wishing for things.
Would've been nice though either way if Dubas didn't trade Leivo and didn't trade kadri.
11.) 27 May 2020 21:17:25
That's an interesting condition on the pick. I don't think I've ever seen it works in reverse. But hey, if Vancouver took it, I don't see why not.
Demko is a good choice, but if Markstrom doesn't re-sign, I don't think Vancouver would trade him for a rental like Andersen. DiPietro isn't ready for NHL action and would be a poor backup right now.
12.) 27 May 2020 22:00:06
I would trade Anderson if the leafs can sign Lehner or Markstrom.
13.) 27 May 2020 22:09:10
Instead of trading for Demko, maybe Leafs should co sider signing Markstrom or Lehner I stead, and trade Andersen for picks/ prospects after?
What are your thoughts on that on Jayden?
14.) 27 May 2020 22:21:11
if they could get a goalie like that after all the forwards then ya why the heck not.
15.) 27 May 2020 22:31:23
Randy that's a really interesting idea. Good post.
With the way Dubas wants his team run it makes perfect sense to me. Your top 6 play 45 minutes a game third line plays 15.
16.) 27 May 2020 22:34:25
Josh Leivo oh yes a sure top niner. Lol
Hey Kadri how is the view from the press box? I ask after game3 of the opening round. Yet again.
17.) 27 May 2020 23:20:19
@Randy
I like that idea too actually. And that is a very creative approach to the roster. With Barrie or Gardiner on the team we could have used either one of them like a roving forward like what Nashville does with Josi. Reilly is probably capable of the same thing. I don't know if top two lines could play 22.5 minutes each a night, but I bet they could come pretty close. Even if I my the four of MNMT play 22.5 minutes each a night, they can rotate the other five guys in and out, distributing the minutes how they feel fit best. Add to that Reilly and Muzzin playing 20+ minutes a night, and you only have to give the rest of the six :-o other defensemen limited minutes distributed how you see fit. It could easily be done.
Dubas likes trying new things. He wants to lead the revolution. This would be a massive transformation in the way the game is played. If it actually worked, Dubas could be assured a spot in the Hall of Fame before he was 40.
18.) 28 May 2020 00:01:58
Right I feel like the way he has done his contracts he has to look for the best way to utilize those players. I would love to see it tried, watch we see it in like 20 years haha you all saw it here first.
19.) 28 May 2020 01:47:28
Me and MostLeaf had the same idea 9 minutes apart. Lol.
20.) 28 May 2020 03:54:37
Detroit would never make the Fabbri trade. Holl is way out of their age range for the rebuild. And those picks aren't worth it for him. Fabbri is working out really well in Detroit. They are the going to lose him for a guy that won't be on the team in two years and a couple picks that might never make the team.
21.) 28 May 2020 04:15:19
@LeafsLife
At first I agreed with you unconditionally about Leivo not signing here. But then I started thinking. If Leafs have to trade out salary, that could mean any of all three of JKK could be gone. Which could open up the spot for Leivo. He would be a good choice for 3LW in that case.
And since he left on good terms, with Dubas doing him a favor and trading him for less than market value so he could get the playing time he deserved somewhere else, he might be inclined to sign here again knowing that Dubas will be good to his word and give him the aging time here or trade him again to a team that will.
If we lose our third line though, Leivo is actually a real good choice to consider. I liked Leivo.
22.) 28 May 2020 04:47:23
@Randy
The way he has done his contracts, I figure he is going to have to run with a short roster. I believe at one point this year when By an came back from injury we ran with a 21 man roster for a few games until someone else got hurt and gave us the LTIR we needed again to bring up a couple more plugs.
League minimum is a 20 man roster. 9 forwards + 8 defensemen + 2 goalies gives 19 man roster, so we would have to have another plugs on the forwards to ride pine. But you make a good case, and it could conceivably be done.
I bet Dubas would do it but Shanahan would never let him
I wonder though if the thought ever occured to Dubas that his whole studs'n'duds approach might have worked in ohl because the studs were 19 and 20 year old men playing against 15 and 16 year old kids?
23.) 28 May 2020 04:51:06
Wouldn't be the first time Randy lol. I remember saying he wanted to get paid for bad contracts at one point. He was ousted as a GM (for separate reasons) and now we see exactly this happen. Only takes one GM or coach to win in a new way for it to become commonplace. Best example is the neutral zone trap.
24.) 28 May 2020 14:25:10
@LeafsLife
Who are you talking about here? Lou?
And I agree with you about your comment on innovation in the industry. It only takes one person to lead the way and then the copycats emerge. If Dubas is successful, he will be in the HHOF. If he fails, he will be remembered as a worse GM than JFJ. There's nothing wrong with trying new things. Except when there is. I would have liked to see the Leafs try this Studs'n'Duds approach when MNM were still on their ELC's. An extra three years of observation at a time when it was not consequential could have given us so we real insight whether it would work or not. Taking an all-in approach now, when we have such a narrow compete window, is a real gamble.
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18 Aug 2020 19:23:47
so i accidentally put "plus kapanen" with what smashville gets so just pretend that's not there.
18 Aug 2020 19:17:37
any of the three it would be a gross underpayment for hamilton and slavin.
18 Aug 2020 19:15:32
any of the three.
18 Aug 2020 18:40:03
honestly i think its a little much for pesce and teravainen.
29 May 2020 10:33:53
i didn't trade many defense cause rosen sandin and lehtonen are young and dermott imo is extremely underrated. then reilly and muzzin are arguable the best on the leafs defence.
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