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26 Nov 2020 16:44:45
To tor
McDavid
33.3% Neal retained 1.95/yr x3

To Edm
Marner
Reilly
Tor 1st 2021
Tor 1st 2022
Saros
Fabbro
Nash 1st 2021
16.7% Neal retained .975/yr x3

To Nash
Nylander
Neal(50%)
Larsson
Kostinen

Huge 3 way deal
Matthews and McDavid are in Arizona training together. No Instagram, Twitter or Facebook or any social media coming out from either player. No photos or media able to get anything from these 2. Peter Budja is only source as he is at rinkside being the netminder but even his comments are about skill of the 2 only. Matthews is a huge nba fan and loves the fact nba can create super teams. Is this tight sealed training session the start of something here.

Toronto gets McDavid and his 12.5 price tag. Leafs take on some of neals cap hit and get rid of 22.5 worth of cap leaving roughly 7 million in cap space to fill 1 forward and 1 D spot on roster. Very duable
They lose 2 1st round picks also

Edmonton gets marner to replace the playmaking for draisaitl to have. They get a top 20 D man to offset klebolm injury and gain a possible #1 goalie on a cheaper contract. They gain 4.5 million in cap space and 3 1st rounders in next 2 years

Nashville gains nylanders offence plus Larson's defence on an already great defensive team and get Neal back at half the price he left for. They get a guy to learn for a year from rinne hopefully to improve but do lose a 1st and young Dman to get all this. They have the space to afford 13 million in cap space and Neal never sold his Nashville home as he kept it because he loves the town.

Is the tight lipped training session just that or are we going to witness something special very soon

This is a Gretzky type deal but needs a cap liable team to enter as 3rd party.

Hyman McDavid Matthews
Robertson Tavares mikhayev
Kerfoot Thornton vesey
Barbasov spezza simmonds
Boyd

Muzzin Brodie
Dermott holl
Lehtonen bognosian
Sandin Liljegren

Andersen Campbell
Dell Hutchison

Craigger12

1.) 26 Nov 2020 18:01:47
Doubt McDavid gets traded if Edmonton has some bad years like buffalo Mby McDavid will want our.


2.) 26 Nov 2020 18:15:03
Only way you get McDavid is with Matthews going the other way.


3.) 26 Nov 2020 20:41:48
This is an epic 3 way deal. As good as Mcdavid is I have to believe both NSH and EDM are tempted.

I hate losing Reilly but man does this work out well. My favorite part is the retention going 2 different ways. It's the best way to convince someone.


4.) 26 Nov 2020 20:54:12
Now that is creative.
I really don't want to watch those shifts after the first two lines come off the ice and our 2nd and 3rd pairs are out there with our 3rd and 4th lines. lol.


5.) 26 Nov 2020 22:45:48
Whole point of this email was the fact mcdavid and Matthews are real tight lipped and BFFs apparently.

They want to play together so together they need to find a creative solution that doesn’t involve Matthews as the return. If you read everything you’d realize that’s the only reason I posted this.

Gretzky got dealt for the better good of hockey

If we go this route
Mcdavid, Matthews and Andersen to Arizona
Keller schmaltz OEL hayton to Edmonton
Dvorak garland chycrun soderstrom kuemper

Imagine Kessel flanked by Matthews and mcdavid

Or to get both on Edmonton
Matthews to edm
RNH, kassian, bear, McLeod Bouchard

Imagine puljujarvi with mcdavid and Matthews
Or yeah draisaitl with the 2 lol

There 3 deals
1 to get both on Toronto
1 to get both on Edmonton
1 to sell and grow hockey in Arizona

So now I’m not bias and I get both together the whole point of this

Which one of 3 do you like best.


6.) 27 Nov 2020 00:31:21
This is crazy. Lol. I love it.

My first thought was: who is going to be captain? It would be very difficult to bring McDavid in as 1C and expect him to wear the “A”. Undermining Tavares’ authority even more in the locker room, we would see a divisive situation not unlike when SJ ended up stripping Thornton of his “C”.

Leafs trade a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati for a Bugatti Voiture Noire. After this they would have the fastest most expensive car in the world, but they would have to lose all the other pretty toys to do it.

The Leafs would have even more cap tied up in their three highest paid players. The only relief comes in dumping Nylander really.

Edmonton looks to be the clear winners. They win the cup and remain contenders for a long time with all those good young players and futures. They improve massively in the back end and still have a 90+ point player coming back in return to set up the league’s current 50 goal scorer Art Ross and Hart winner. Heck. Marner might even get over 100 points with Draisaitl beside him.

But, we get McDavid. His contract is longer than Nylanders and Marner’s, so that buys us a couple more years of contention. And if you buy into the whole hockey is a strong-link game theory, then an argument can be made that having McDavid on the team would pay higher dividends than the other guys.

And maybe it would if it was just the forwards. But Rielly is too big of a loss in the back end. Muzzin/ Brodie, both on the wrong side of 30, do not seem to me a cup winning top line pair. I have faith in the bottom four doing their job competently enough. But the top pair is more important by far. And I just don’t think Muzzin and Brodie are the right combination to be running it.


7.) 27 Nov 2020 00:49:35
I have to give credit it’s a doozy of a trade! I may have to throw my version out there and give it a try.
I agree with LL it’s definitely a doable deal but you have to bring Crazy eyes Kassian along some how. Lol! Cheers nice fantasy trade.


8.) 27 Nov 2020 01:18:36
McD will only be traded if he wants out of Edmonton then there will be several teams lining up to make the best offer they can to get him.


9.) 27 Nov 2020 04:55:37
How do you know he doesn't want out? You don't. You aren't in his private conversations. One more piss poor year and he may ask.

If you think edm gets a better return than that your insane. They don't. As good as Mcdavid is that's about the upper echelon of trades. Top 10 defenceman, 90 point winger, Saros, Gabbro and THREE firsts. You think someone would offer 15 1sts? Maybe 20? Maybe package up their entire roster+AHL team?

It's the most fair trade for Mcdavid they will ever get. Probably closer to an overpay than an underpay.

So how many points does a Tavares, Mcdavid, Mathews line get? Lol. 200 for Mcdavid+80 goals for Mathews?


10.) 27 Nov 2020 10:13:28
Islandjet learn how to read

This has nothing to do with if either wants out of their respective teams. It’s about how they want to be together and start a super team like the nba can.

If they can’t be together due to cap then it’s time to influence change in the CBA.

It’s the non anything social media that is happening while the 2 train together that has a few higher up media employees getting their hanpster wheels going. I’m just adding to that wheel

This trade had nothing to do with any disapproval of either players organization.

It’s simple

McDavid and Matthews want to be on same team. Let’s come up with ways to make it happen whether in Toronto Edmonton or anywhere .

I’ve come up with 3.

2 studs who are huge in the social media world (especially Matthews) go completely off grid for 2 weeks thus far while together.

Let the rumours fly somethings up.


 

 

21 Nov 2020 20:12:06
Only if Canadian division happens

To Columbus
Nylander

To Toronto
Foligno
Texier
Peeke

To Minnesota
Kerfoot

To Toronto
Foligno
Dewar

Columbas finally gets a player to replace panarin offensive skill. Well 85% of it anyways. Due to the fact foligno only has 1 year remaining to nylanders 4 I added in 2 good young prospects to offset the terms. Leafs gain 1.4 in cap space this year and if foligno isn't resigned 6.9 moving forward.

Minnesota gets a bonified center as they have many forwards who can play center but are better on the wings. Due to fact foligno only has 1 year remaining to kerfoot as 3 I added a good young prospect to offset term. Leafs gain .625 in cap space this year and if foligno isn't resigned 2.875 moving forward

Both folignos add much needed grit needed to compete in a Canadian division. All teams play tough forecheck games so these 2 bros are welcomed. Nice to have the foligno name back on a leaf jersey. Can bring out my old school 1990 jersey I got n back of my retro jersey closet. Glad I didn't throw that out lol.

Peeke is a solid RHD who can compete for a top 4 spot against Holl or even a bottom pair job. If he can't win a spot he is eligable to play on marlies stacked D Corp

Texier another ELC guy who can compete for a bottom 6 roster spot and can go down to marlies stacked lineup if he can't make the leafs

Dewar I was chatting with a close friend recently and he informed me of how much Connor has taken a big step to being NHL ready. He compares him to Darcy Tucker as he can put up great jr stats but is a huge team 1st guy willing to get his hands dirty. Like Tucker he can play center at jt level but might be a great winger along boards and in front of net at NHL level.

So there are my trades only if a Canadian division is a go

NFoligno Matthews Robertson
Hyman Tavares Marner
MFoligno Thornton Mikhayev
Vesey Spezza Simmonds

Craigger12

1.) 21 Nov 2020 21:33:37
I really like this. The added prospects are a great thing right now. Can be valuable trade chips for a push or just restocking.


2.) 22 Nov 2020 14:56:04
At first, I was yea, I like it. Then I was, eh. Then back to ok. lol

So, we are kind of in a go for it this year idea. Both Foligno's make us tougher to play against and especially Nick, will add leadership. Peeke seems NHL ready (could be a 2nd pair guy eventually), but would be in a log jam this year to make the team. He does make Liljegren expendable, so we could move Lil and consider that return as part of the return on the previous deals. Texier and Dewar are likely mid 6 guys at best, but more likely 3rd/ 4th liners. The 10.5M in cap space after this year created by moving both Nylander and Kerfoot makes this very intriguing.

The only negatives is there is no high end prospect that we are pretty sure is a top 4 D or top 6 F coming back and could lose both Foligno's at end of this year creating holes left by Nylander and Kerfoot that need to be filled. We also have to get Nick to waive his NTC/ NMC.

All and all, good deals. The 10.5M in cap space should allow us to fill openings and also re-sign Hyman, extend Rielly, find a goalie and we have a new RHD in the mix and two solid prospects. Nicely done.


3.) 22 Nov 2020 17:17:25
Why only if there is a Canadian Division though?

I like both trades regardless. Definitely a “win-now” style series of moves. And the cap space saved would easily allow us to re-sign Hyman and remain flexible to re-sign Rielly the following year.

I actually think Muzzin will be the guy who gets traded in a couple years when Rielly’s contract comes. He only had a full NMC this year. After that it moves to a M-NTC. I have to think that one of Dermott, Sandin, or Lehtonen will be ready to play 2nd pair by then. Two years is a long time for those guys to develop.


4.) 22 Nov 2020 17:43:52
I agree there HL. I can see Muzz getting traded if Dermott, Lehtonen, and/ or Sandin all show significant progress on the right side.

Conversely, I can actually see Reilly not being resigned if those 3 step up and Dubas believes they can play 1LHD.


5.) 22 Nov 2020 18:15:12
If he let's Rielly simply walk and not get assets for him, I hope they fit him. That would be just as bad as Islanders letting Tavares walk.


6.) 22 Nov 2020 18:23:08
*fire him.

I hope they fire him before he does something that stupid though anyway.


7.) 22 Nov 2020 19:31:29
Did it this year didn't he? I don't think Barrie is even close to Reilly skill level but the way they looked halfway through the season I would have dumped everything.

Dubas seems to believe in keeping his own rentals.


8.) 22 Nov 2020 20:54:06
Yes. I noticed they keep their own rentals. Which for the most part I’m okay with, because up until now the best UFA’s we let walk are JVR and Gardiner. Both are good players, but not what I would call “elite”.

But Rielly is. Rielly is, by far, the best defenseman on the team. The return on him would be significant. If NHL’s rankings are anything to go by (I think they are reasonable), then Rielly is ranked top 10. that's debateable, but I will say that he is closer to 10 than to 20.

Letting depth players and one-dimensional olayers walk out the door is one thing. Letting your top line superstar top 10 defenseman in the league walk is inexcusable.


9.) 23 Nov 2020 00:28:31
Nylander will do better than the 2 folignos if it’s a more normal schedule however, if they only play the Canadian teams this year the folignos will be better for the leafs.


10.) 23 Nov 2020 04:39:37
Good observation craiggers. Playing Canadian teams is going to be tough in different ways.


11.) 23 Nov 2020 20:25:08
@HL/ LL Muzzin isn't going anywhere. He has a full NMC this year so he couldn't be exposed to the Seattle draft. Next two years are a full NTC. Only the last year it is a modified NTC. He is here for 3 more years unless he chooses otherwise.


12.) 23 Nov 2020 21:20:17
Both muzzin and Brodie have NMC only for 1 year. Next July that NMC moved to NTC. Both players did this because if leafs really don’t want them then best to just expose either 1. Both players don’t care if they go to Seattle they just want some choice where they go if they aren’t exposed. Seems weird but it is what it is and both guys made it that way. Prideful players.


13.) 23 Nov 2020 21:53:48
I don't know Craigger, if they didn't mind going to Seattle, then no need for NMC over a NTC. NMC means they have to be protected.


14.) 24 Nov 2020 15:44:03
Can't see this one.

Nylander is not a Torts kind of player, and Columbus is not going to trade a true leader and their Captain to get him.


 

 

10 Nov 2020 16:50:11
Nylander
Holl


For
Stralman
Tippett
Gildon
Knight

Stealing a bit from another posted trade but dealing for a regressing player on a short 2 year contract while dealing a larger contract may help leafs with cap struggles going forward.

Florida gets best player in deal and guy entering his prime whom is also only owed 20.5 over next 4 years real money. They also get a rhd to replace steal an this year and a guy they can just expose in draft. Florida must protect yandle and with weegar and ekblad they'd have to expose stralman anyways or only protect 8 guys. This way that decision doesn't need to be made and in return they grab nylander on top of that

For Toronto stralman simply replaces holl with muzzin. If they expose and lose stralman they gain 5.5 in cap and if they expose and don't lose stralman or simply protect him they only have 1 more year of him. They gain 2 very intriguing prospects and a decent D prospect basically for nylander. Stralman is better than holl but by his much who knows. Definetly not 3.5 better. Can now sign Hyman to extension and protected him now . Pretty simple

Leafs replace nylander with whomever wins to get on Tavares wing. Great chance for Robertson tiger legit shot here.

Hyman Matthews marner
Robertson Tavares mikheyev
Kerfoot Thornton Tippett
Vesey spezza simmonds
Barbanov Boyd Anderson

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin stralman
Dermott Lehtonen
Sandin Bogosian
Gildon liljegren

Makes for a fun camp and great AHL team

Craigger12

1.) 10 Nov 2020 20:06:07
I forgot so many so if this deal happened
Petan engvall malgin
Korshkov Brooks agostina
Kossilia hallander

Rosen duszak
Marincin wori (dude from pitts deal)
Kral hollowell
Kiwi (dude from Finland)

Crap even the goalies
Dell Hutchison
Scott woll
(Knight)

Freakin crazy depth marlies better win.


2.) 11 Nov 2020 00:08:00
I like it. Good prop.


3.) 11 Nov 2020 12:57:27
Can do same with Chicago

Dehaan strome tepley and vlasic
For
Nylander holl and or dermott

Not as good but same rules apply for dehaan as they do for stralman.


 

 

28 Oct 2020 14:25:54
To tor
Jensen and 2nd rd and prospect

To wash
Dermott

Thoughts

Craigger12

1.) 28 Oct 2020 16:40:36
Still leaves Caps with 8 NHL D-men and a need to fill out roster up front. I would think they want a cheap forward for him.


 

 

26 Oct 2020 07:48:41
I'm guessing if leafs play the way they should their 1st rounder will be 17-32

With U of Michigan if they play have 4 in top 10. Power RHD d partner iof York, Hughes 2nd pairing for now but skates like his bro's. Johnson damn good passer and Lucius damn good scorer. Then minny boy Beniers no chance with those 5

Won't get CHL top 5
Guenther, ClarkeRHD, ChaykaLHD, lambos, and Unfortunetly mason mctavich(love to get this kid will go around 15 at moment)

Won't get euro top guys
Lysell, tuormaala, edvinnson, Ruty or Rosen

Have a chance with a few Russians
Chibikuv,luzukin,palchik,poktopov or grushnikov

How about goalies
Cossa or wallstedt probably not if pick after 25

Isaac belliveau qmjhl

Love the name
Offensive LHD

Cole Sillinger whl
Great 2 way center

Brennen Othmann
Will break out this year if OHL plays

Joseph Roy qmjhl
Once saint johns actually starts playing the way they should he will lead team in points

Zach lheureaux qmjhl
Kid can dance with puck once he learns to play D he will be good

If cossa and wallstedt off board by time leafs pick next year these 5 I'd go for

Early draft predictions

Craigger12

1.) 26 Oct 2020 18:20:26
What’s unbelievable

The fact leafs probably will be a playoff team
The spot I predict they will pick
The 15 players they won’t get

Or is it the players I predict as being top 15

Explain please.


 

 

 

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27 Nov 2020 10:13:28
Islandjet learn how to read

This has nothing to do with if either wants out of their respective teams. It’s about how they want to be together and start a super team like the nba can.

If they can’t be together due to cap then it’s time to influence change in the CBA.

It’s the non anything social media that is happening while the 2 train together that has a few higher up media employees getting their hanpster wheels going. I’m just adding to that wheel

This trade had nothing to do with any disapproval of either players organization.

It’s simple

McDavid and Matthews want to be on same team. Let’s come up with ways to make it happen whether in Toronto Edmonton or anywhere .

I’ve come up with 3.

2 studs who are huge in the social media world (especially Matthews) go completely off grid for 2 weeks thus far while together.

Let the rumours fly somethings up.

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26 Nov 2020 22:53:09
Great read and amazing views both ways hockeyluvr. Open minded in all aspects well done

I’m just not a huge Schneider fan yet so my luck he will become a stud.

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26 Nov 2020 22:45:48
Whole point of this email was the fact mcdavid and Matthews are real tight lipped and BFFs apparently.

They want to play together so together they need to find a creative solution that doesn’t involve Matthews as the return. If you read everything you’d realize that’s the only reason I posted this.

Gretzky got dealt for the better good of hockey

If we go this route
Mcdavid, Matthews and Andersen to Arizona
Keller schmaltz OEL hayton to Edmonton
Dvorak garland chycrun soderstrom kuemper

Imagine Kessel flanked by Matthews and mcdavid

Or to get both on Edmonton
Matthews to edm
RNH, kassian, bear, McLeod Bouchard

Imagine puljujarvi with mcdavid and Matthews
Or yeah draisaitl with the 2 lol

There 3 deals
1 to get both on Toronto
1 to get both on Edmonton
1 to sell and grow hockey in Arizona

So now I’m not bias and I get both together the whole point of this

Which one of 3 do you like best.

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26 Nov 2020 22:23:05
I’m still not sold on Schneider but as a whole this deal is a great cap saver the 3 being at 3 differant stages of development (1nhl,1minor,1jr) that you’ll reack the benefits of this trade for up to 10 years so I like that.

Getting rid of kerfoot cap hit and grabbing a big bodied prospect seems like a great deal to me

Love the killorn deal. Big fan of his. He replaces kerfoot plus as a player

Leafs save close to 2.7 on these deals and adds to the future of the team. Well done.

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26 Nov 2020 18:17:14
Schneider was invited to the camp. With 6 2019 draftees probably getting the edge to make team since experience will be a forefront for this team due to time list due to the C.V.. Also with drysdale probably making team that leaves 1 spot for all the 2020 drafted players.

Schneider isn’t a lock to make this team so it’s false to report he is representing Canada. He can skate good for a bigger bodied guy but that doesn’t mean he is a great skater. Guys like Robertson and guhle (both team Canada invited Dmen) can skate better than him but he is better skater than say a Emil rasanen. Reports on big guys bro g able to skate well for big guys never means they can skate great. Just means they aren’t a pylon but aren’t elite either.

Schneider is good but not great. Leafs are signing their D once they are established and developing their forwards. Seems to be dubas way whether we like it or not.

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