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12 Apr 2021 18:14:13
Just going to put this out there

Foligno and M.Staal are 17 years of BFF

Staal will be a Leaf

To tor
Staal

To det
Duszak 5th 2021
(50% Staal retain)

3rd party team
Rosen 5th 2022
(25% Staal retain)

Possible Bobby Ryan gets thrown in for barabanov or something

But Staal is my prediction

Craigger12

1.) 12 Apr 2021 19:06:36
I was really thinking this too makes a lot of sense, but ben Hutton is there guy.


2.) 12 Apr 2021 19:23:02
Would’ve much preferred Staal then Hutton.


3.) 12 Apr 2021 20:33:04
So close lol

Even after all the retention Hutton is cheaper

Barabanov deal made to put Hutton (same cap hit) on team.
Plus Dubas doing barabanov a solid as after all said and done barabanov is like 14th on forward depth chart so noe gets shot to play full time in San Jose before contract is up.


4.) 13 Apr 2021 02:44:23
Its all done now till the off-season.


 

 

12 Apr 2021 10:07:48
Here's breakdown of deal

To tor
Foligno 1.375
Noesen .925(when in nhl roster only)

To Columbus
Leafs 2021 1st
Leafs 2022 4th
2.75(50%) retain foligno

To San Jose
Leafs 2021 4th
1.375(25%) retain foligno

I was hoping foligno was a 2nd 3rd and 5th but ended up a 1st and 2 4ths instead so pretty close prediction

Then
To tor
Rittich 1.375

To calg
Leafs 2022 3rd
1.375(50%) retain rittich

So leafs are left with
2021 2nd 5th 6th
2022 1st 2nd 5th 6th

But 1 heck if a lineup lol

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11 Apr 2021 16:48:51
To Columbus
Leafs 2nd rd 2021
Leafs 3rd rd. 2022
Leafs 5th rd. 2022
Retain 2.75(50%)

To Tor
Foligno 1.375(25%)
Minor league forward from 3rd party team

To 3rd party team
Leafs 4th rd 2021
Retain 1.375(25%)

So 2nd is for acquiring player
3rd and 5th is for 2.75 retaining
4th is for 1.375 retaining

On retaining
1st= Over 4 million
2nd=3-3.5 million
3rd=2-2.5 million
4th=1-1.5
5th= 750K-999K
6th=351K-749K
7th=Under 350K

So anything over the max amount but lower than next groups minimum you must add pick worth the differance

2.75= 3rd valued @ 2 million minimum
Remaining is covered by 5th minimum

Again just a estimation on past values

Think this kind of deal magic is how Dubas may go about if kerfoot can't be dealt to relieve cap

Craigger12

1.) 12 Apr 2021 13:48:02
Oh so close

1st and 2 4ths

Instead of
2nd 3rd 5th

Lol.


 

 

11 Apr 2021 16:25:48
So the savard trade set a new standard for a trade

Columbus retained 50% of traded player and grabbed a 1st and 3rd
1st for his services
3rd for 2.125 retaining

Then as many of us thought that's all that can ever happen as 50/50 is now done

However since a contract can be retained up to 2 times max and as long as 1 team takes 50% on 1st retain the remaining 50% can now be retained. Detroit jumped in and grabbed 25% for a 4th and Lashoff(as retain contracts for picks can't just be traded there needs to be an actual human going somewhere in a transaction on retained deals much like leafs with that Vegas deal last year)So the team getting the player contract doesn't need to cover 50% of it as long as 1 of the 3 teams already has 50% the other 2 can split the 50% remaining regardless which team has the actual player to go with this contract

So Say Hall
Buffalo trades him and retains 50%(4 million)
1st for retain
2nd on player

Team getting Hall to play for them then finds a trading partner to retain 25% of the 50% for 2 million and Hall can be that cheap.
3rd for retain but gets minor player back in return from team retaining

Buffalo gets
1st and 2nd (4 million retained)
For
Hall (50%)

Halls new team gets
Hall @ 2 million
Minor player
For
1st 2nd and 3rd

3rd party team gets
3rd
For
2 million retained
Minor player

Of course this is just an estimation based on past deals

Craigger12

1.) 11 Apr 2021 18:03:48
That’s messed up.

Does the team trading the player have to be the team
that retains 50%?


2.) 11 Apr 2021 19:13:45
So as per Savard deal

Savard and only 50% (2.125) of his cap/ salary went on a road trip to Tampa.


Before getting to Tampa, Savard and his 50% (2.125) cap/ salary ran into Detroit who are in Carolina right now.

50% (1.0625) of that 50% (2.125) cap/ salary stayed with Detroit. Savard now with his 25% (1.0625) cap/ salary remaining is then joined by Lashoff and continued trip to Tampa.

Savard and his 1.0625 cap/ salary and lashoff join Tampa

Conversely, Tampa sends a future a 1st 3rd and 4th round picks on a digital trip to Columbus. Along the way tampas future picks make a pit stop on Detroit’s network. Tampas future 4th rounder stays on Detroit’s network

Tampa’s future 1st and 3rd continue their digital journey until they meet their network destination in Columbus

In the end
Columbus gets
Tampas 1st and 3rd
While retaining 2.125 of savard remaining cap/ salary
For
Savard and 50% of his remaining contract

Detroit gets
Tampas 4th
While retaining 1.0625 of savard remaining cap/ salary
For
Lashoff

Tampa gets
Savard and only 1.0625 of savard remaining contract
Lashoff
For
1st 3rd 4th rounders

What a road/ digital trip adventure

So as I understand now a team can trade for a player and have up to 50% of his contract retained

A third party can now jump in and trade for up to 50% of that remaining 50% of contract

So as long as 1 of the 3 teams takes on 50% of the contract the other 2 teams can split the remaining 50% in any ratio they want.

Toronto did this last year by taking 44% of lehner remaining contract after Chicago retained 50%

Chicago 50%
Toronto 22% (44% of remaining 50%)
Vegas 28%

So crazy.


 

 

10 Apr 2021 19:35:48
If a team has the money or good cap manipulation then players are being had for the cheap

3rd for Montour

Dubas has the latter so bring in a big one Dubas the time is now

Craigger12

1.) 10 Apr 2021 20:09:01
Sounds like Savard traded to TB for a 1st.


2.) 10 Apr 2021 20:46:40
Montour isn’t exactly a big fish. A third for a guy that failed out of Buffalo doesn’t really excite. It seems like Buffalo got a pretty good deal actually.

Dubas needs to go big or go home.

Does he have the balls?

My thoughts is he should. Desperate GM’s do desperate things. Whether he makes the big move or not, if this team fails in the playoffs again, I doubt Dubas comes back.

At least by making a big move he can say he tried.

Doing nothing, again, and failing flat on their faces, again, would be the worst possible thing to have happen. Again.


3.) 10 Apr 2021 21:19:10
You called it first Craiggers lol. Montour went for a third.


4.) 10 Apr 2021 21:30:55
Yeah lots of retention as well on savard deal by Columbus and Detroit thus the higher picks. No retention it’s a lower pick. that's the market

Let the teams in the same division spend assets to improve because in the end only 1 of them get out of their division

lol.


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2021 20:33:04
So close lol

Even after all the retention Hutton is cheaper

Barabanov deal made to put Hutton (same cap hit) on team.
Plus Dubas doing barabanov a solid as after all said and done barabanov is like 14th on forward depth chart so noe gets shot to play full time in San Jose before contract is up.

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12 Apr 2021 13:48:02
Oh so close

1st and 2 4ths

Instead of
2nd 3rd 5th

Lol.

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12 Apr 2021 13:47:16
That would be 1 sweet deal
Problem is both 2021 3rd (LA) and 2022 3rd (calg) are gone

Leafs have 2021 2nd 5th available to trade
and
Leafs have 2022 1st 2nd 5th available to trade

The rest of the picks for these years are either dealt already or have conditions tied to them

Upgrade deal to a 2nd and get some retaining or might need to add a prospect worth a 3rd.

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11 Apr 2021 19:13:45
So as per Savard deal

Savard and only 50% (2.125) of his cap/ salary went on a road trip to Tampa.


Before getting to Tampa, Savard and his 50% (2.125) cap/ salary ran into Detroit who are in Carolina right now.

50% (1.0625) of that 50% (2.125) cap/ salary stayed with Detroit. Savard now with his 25% (1.0625) cap/ salary remaining is then joined by Lashoff and continued trip to Tampa.

Savard and his 1.0625 cap/ salary and lashoff join Tampa

Conversely, Tampa sends a future a 1st 3rd and 4th round picks on a digital trip to Columbus. Along the way tampas future picks make a pit stop on Detroit’s network. Tampas future 4th rounder stays on Detroit’s network

Tampa’s future 1st and 3rd continue their digital journey until they meet their network destination in Columbus

In the end
Columbus gets
Tampas 1st and 3rd
While retaining 2.125 of savard remaining cap/ salary
For
Savard and 50% of his remaining contract

Detroit gets
Tampas 4th
While retaining 1.0625 of savard remaining cap/ salary
For
Lashoff

Tampa gets
Savard and only 1.0625 of savard remaining contract
Lashoff
For
1st 3rd 4th rounders

What a road/ digital trip adventure

So as I understand now a team can trade for a player and have up to 50% of his contract retained

A third party can now jump in and trade for up to 50% of that remaining 50% of contract

So as long as 1 of the 3 teams takes on 50% of the contract the other 2 teams can split the remaining 50% in any ratio they want.

Toronto did this last year by taking 44% of lehner remaining contract after Chicago retained 50%

Chicago 50%
Toronto 22% (44% of remaining 50%)
Vegas 28%

So crazy.

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11 Apr 2021 18:37:11
1.755 is covered by Winnipeg in laine contract

Then Columbus is paying 4.995

Technically Columbus could retain 50% of that total then
Columbus pays 2.49975
Toronto pays 2.49875
Winnipeg pays 1.755

Laine scores 7 goals in series vs Winnipeg and Toronto thanks Winnipeg for paying him 251K per goal against he scored against them

lol

No need for domi

2nd rd for the retain
1st rd for laine
Kerfoot for laine
Amirov for laine
Liljegren for laine

Or
Laine 50% retained 2.49975
For
Nylander kerfoot and 2nd rounder

Now that’s a thinker lol.

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