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28 May 2020 04:21:58
Leafs trade Kapanen, Sandin, SDA, 3rd
Islanders trade Dobson, Mayfield, Wahlstrom

Hate to lose Sandin, but Dobson is just as good on RHD and we need him more. Mayfield is a cheap plug that can play 3RHD for us. Very effective and very cheap he would be a welcome cap relief. And of course Wahlstrom is a highly rated forward prospect player. We could use him to go along with Robertson to give us some much needed cap relief by way of elc and to help us in case of loss of one of the big four in a few years.

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1.) 28 May 2020 23:16:58
Awesome post
This may be one of your finest.


2.) 29 May 2020 01:21:20
I like Toews, but I don't think he is a 1LHD. I guess Lou doesn't think so either cause he brought Greene in for the olayoffs.

Sandin has a high ceiling.
He is projected to be a 1LHD one day. Islanders are already strong RHD and have Wilde in the system too. They might swap out Dobson for Sandin. I don't know if they would swap Wahlstrom for Kapanen though. Depends on if they really think they can compete now.

Given Lou's age, he might feel the need to try to go for it all now. He's made a few all-in moves already.


3.) 29 May 2020 01:41:26
I have to say I wouldn't do this. If we are talking plugs I think Dermott could play 3RHD as well as anyone. It's not a role that takes much effort.

I also don't think prospects are what is needed. If a trade involving all of these players happened and brought in a Seth Jones type player then I'm all for it. Go big or go home. I don't want prospects unless a rebuild is the intention.

I watched Leafs management attempt to not rebuild for many years while icing a mediocre team. It doesn't work. Last season I wanted Karlsson more than anything. Offer them a first++ and just play him beside Reilly. No need to resign just go for it.


4.) 29 May 2020 13:51:58
I just figure if we have to dump salary we would be taking prospects and picks in return.

Would have been nice to see Leafs make at least one all-in type move. If we could have afforded Karlsson, even for the one year, given how good we did last year, I got to think our playoffs would have turned out much differently.


 

 

28 May 2020 03:34:32
Leafs trade Rielly

Islanders trade Pulock, Wilde

NYI are perfect example of a team loaded with RHD and weak on LHD. Reilly would instantly be the best defenseman in the team. He is obviously far better than Pulock, but nobody is going to give us fair value in a one for one exchange. Wilde is the consolation prize. A good prospect player that has lots of potential. Would rather have Domain or Wahlstrom thrown in, but I don't see that happening.

LeafsGM

1.) 28 May 2020 06:55:01
For a team like the Islanders that want to go all in it's probably the best they can hope for.

It looks light at first glance but really Reilly is a rental+ so I'm not sure how much value he has. This probably is fair value and it does improve the team.


2.) 28 May 2020 12:17:38
People need to stop acting like the length of the contract is a deciding factor perfect example is Karlsson he was older and I think had a year left on his deal and the Sens got a pile of players and picks for him Reilly would be the same.


3.) 28 May 2020 13:42:15
I kinda think length of contract is a deciding factor. Lol. Karlsson was the world's best defenseman at the time of trade and is still widely considered a much better player than Reilly. And the return for Karlsson wasn't that great. They got a like of players, but it was a quantity for quality trade.

I don't think Leafs would be able to get an equivalent player back if they tried to trade Reilly. It would have to be a lower return than what he is really worth. But, if it makes the team better overall, then tough choices have to be made.


4.) 28 May 2020 14:13:00
Well I’d have to disagree with you Karlsson is not better than Reilly imo the sharks are garbage and if you look at what the Sens got I think they got quality demelo tirney Norris a 1st which is going to be a top three pick plus a 2nd.


5.) 28 May 2020 15:32:48
They lucked out with the pick, which is probably going to be the best piece, by far, that they got. DeMelo is gone, not even part of the team anymore. Norris is still a question mark, though he is highly touted. And Tierney is a good middle six player, but nothing to brag about.

They didn't get a single elite piece coming back. Tierney was the best piece. If SJ didn't tank, Ottawa wouldn't have gotten a single difference maker.


6.) 28 May 2020 17:57:18
You can't say length of contract isn't a deciding factor. It's actually a huge one.

I'm not sure what happened to Karlsson this year. He definitely fell apart but it's hard to say who is better right now.

Lol. SJ thought they had a contending team. For a team not to even protect the pick it shows they never would have predicted it being a top 3. That's just luck. Even the Sens probably thought that pick would be mid 20s.

Demelo, Tierney, Norris, 1st isn't exactly quality. It's some good players but no real studs. I don't see Reilly fetching that much. Even if you think Reilly is better than Karlsson right now, when that trade was made he was widely regarded as best defenceman in the world. Doesn't matter what we think looking back. It was what they traded in the moment for the player he was.


7.) 28 May 2020 19:37:27
You have to factor time left of contract. cause Rielly is going to want to get at least 7 to 8 mil a year and the team acquiring him has to take that into consideration seeing as who knows what is going to happen with the cap going forward for the next little while.


8.) 29 May 2020 01:42:38
To your point loxley; I believe for this year and possible next, cap uncertainty will play a major role. Having a mediocre player on a great contract may be worth more than a superstar that is slightly over paid.


9.) 29 May 2020 02:12:00
It's amazing Wilson still has a job. Let's face it, the Sens made the exact same mistake the year before with the Duchene trade and Colorado snagged Byram as a result. Talk about recouping your losses. San Jose stepped right into that one and now they are in a world of hurt. DeBoer took the fact this year. Maybe Wilson sees the door next year?


 

 

28 May 2020 03:27:01
Leafs trade Kerfoot, Johnsson, Dermott
LA trades Walker, Lizotte, 2nd

Or Kempe instead of Lizotte if you prefer.

It's obviously a cap dump style trade. LA has $23M to spend on only 7 players to complete their 23 man roster. So they can easily afford this deal.

Leafs take a pretty big downgrade in center, but we bring in a very good RHD that has upside potential. And Lizotte himself has a lot of potential as well to be a very effective 3C. And we gain cap space. And that's about it.

Both Horton and Clarkson's deals expire, so Dubas must either find more LTIR deals or face shipping out good quality players (Johnsson, Kerfoot, Kappy), all likely for well under market value, and only for picks/ prospects as he cannot afford to take on any notable salary.

LeafsGM

1.) 28 May 2020 15:54:51
I would do it.


2.) 28 May 2020 22:12:28
Thanks MostLeaf. I like it too. I actually thought there was going to be some real haters on this prop. It looks like a small return and a big gamble. I bet LA would jump on it.


3.) 29 May 2020 07:33:44
The only viable piece is walker
The third line Center? Brooks is just as good as Lizotte

So no thanks to this deal.


4.) 29 May 2020 13:55:15
I don't know if Brooks is as good as Lizotte. I can't see Brooks stepping in next year and scoring double digit goals and points. He's got potential to be a good 4C, and maybe a 3C eventually. But I have a hard time seeing him step into the role right out from the Marlies.

Besides, I said take Kempe if you weren't sold in Lizotte.


 

 

25 May 2020 02:46:30
Leafs trade Marner, Kapanen
Jets trade Connor, Laine

I know, it's a downgrade, but hear me out.

Kapanen is a better overall player than Laine. Laine is a one dimensional one trick pony that is useless 5-on-5. Other than power play, Laine is a detriment to his team. Kapanen is a more complete 200 foot player that Jets fans would absolutely swoon over his speed and shot and ability to help his teammates out and actually engage in physical play, something Laine tends to cower from. But we could use Laine's power play skills to either make our top power play even more deadly, or to make our second power play just as effective as the first, giving us two equally dangerous options.

Marner for Connor. I do like Connors goal scoring. But Marner is obviously the superior player. No doubt about it. His ability to set up guys like Wheeler and Ehlers would instantly give both those guys extra credibility. He would likely lead Winnipeg in points, possibly being their first 100 point player since, I think Selanne, in the 1990's.

Aside from a few extra goals from Connor and Laine, Leafs save cap too, which is actually the main motivation to make this trade. No doubt it's a pretty large downgrade, as Leafs give up the two best players, but we do save some cap space, and distribute the cap a bit more evenly as well.

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1.) 25 May 2020 15:21:29
LeafsGM Have you seen Laine play this season? Laine has developed into a true two way player. Connor does everything Marner does for $4 mil less. Kappenen is a solid 3rd line player that is not worth much since the Leafs need to trade him to open up cap space. There is no chance the Jets do this fantasy trade.


2.) 25 May 2020 15:57:25
Laine. a 2 way player? Lol.


3.) 25 May 2020 17:12:48
Oh come on. There's a reason why Laine and Connor make so much less than Marner. It's be size they aren't as good as players. Simple as that. Marner is a better player. End of story. And he would easily be the best player on Winnipeg.


4.) 25 May 2020 17:13:08
It's obvious LeafsGM doesn't watch hockey. His terrible "hot takes" are what have made him the laughing stock on this site. No wonder no one takes anything he says seriously.


5.) 25 May 2020 17:53:16
LeafGM is a blind Toronto poster that can't believe everyone doesn't think that all the Leaf players are the best in the league at their positions. lol.


6.) 25 May 2020 17:53:56
LGM,

Unlike the person known as Memarc. who seems to get his kicks out of trolling.
I look at this offer as a step down for the Leafs, but an enhancement for Tavares
Hyman Matthews Nylander
Connor Tavares Laine
Robertson Kerfoot Mikheyev
Engvall Spezza Barbanov
$53 MM
Anderson + Dermott + Johnsson to be traded for a RHD + Goaltender- less expensive.


7.) 25 May 2020 18:24:29
I don't think LGM has ever been the laughing stock. I may not always agree with everything he has to say but he makes many valid points. Saying Laine is a 2 way player is an absolute joke. He is a pure goal scorer that even fails at that consistently thanks in large part to a bad attitude.


8.) 25 May 2020 18:29:15
That is true Islandjet. If you post on the Leafs' page here and don't agree that every Leaf and every Marlie is a generational player, it is because you are a "biased Leaf hater". I mean even Bracco is a guaranteed first line winger on every NHL team except the Leafs. Lol

All the trade posts on this page are trolls of other teams and always massively overvalue the Leaf players.

There is no way the Jets would take a massive downgrade in quality and take on one of the worst contracts in hockey as proposed here by LeafsGM without any compensation. No team would.

I know LeafsGM says that this site isn't about being realistic, but it is very hard to be as absolutely Leafs brainwashed as the posters here are. You can't have a rational discussion with these guys.


9.) 25 May 2020 18:53:28
Belittling people must be your specialty. Challenging people personally shows a great deal of immaturity.

Always interested in a hockey perspective.


10.) 25 May 2020 19:44:59
I would say Connor would be the player I’d want Laine is a good player he just struggles to find consistency.


11.) 25 May 2020 19:46:17
Realistically kapanen isn’t a better player than laine, but marner is likely a significant step better than Connor. The trade itself is probably not that far off, I might see the leafs adding something. However watching my fair share of jets games, the take that Laine has developed into a 2 way player might be the funniest thing I have ever seen posted. Realistically Laine is quite comparable to ovechkin when he first came into the league, but probably a little bit worse defensively and a decent bit worse offensively. He is essentially a poor mans ovechkin. There is still hope he eventually realizes there are 2 ends to the rink, but he appears a long way off from that right now.


12.) 25 May 2020 21:44:47
When did anyone ever state Bracco is a top line winger? Lol.


13.) 25 May 2020 21:50:15
It's not trying to belittle anyone Heatdreamer, it's just when you read some of the absolutely ridiculous hot takes here. Like thinking that the difference between Marner and Laine is the difference between Connor and Kapanen.

Even if you want to believe Marner is a better player than Laine, Marner's disaster of a contract knocks away a lot of that supposed extra value. Then you throw in Kapanen, who is in no way, in anyone's estimation, close to Marner, Laine and Connor on talent or skill and it gets even more ridiculous.

So, if you are trying to be fair you should be calling out LeafsGM for trying to pass off such a lopsided trade in favor of the Leafs as good value for both teams. But I don't see any leaf fans here saying how ridiculously lopsided the trade is, I just hear complaining that Jet fans are pointing out how horrifically biased and lopsided the trade is.


14.) 25 May 2020 23:07:50
Top 2 Lines after this trade
Hyman Matthews nylander
Connor Tavares Laine

Leafs save some dough
Enough to sign pietrangelo?

Good post leafsgm
Trade is fair despite what wet island and mememejoe
Say. which usually equates to very little.


15.) 25 May 2020 23:39:08
Jets fans are severely over valueing Laine. He is a train wreck in his own end. He is very inconsistent. Jets fans overvalue their own guys worse than anyone from what I can see.


16.) 26 May 2020 12:49:59
To be fair Laine is the best pure goal scorer in this proposal Marner the best playmaker. Defensively Marner is better than Laine. Can Laine develop into a better 200 ft player imho i think so. Conner is better than Kappy in all areas so the leafs to obtain just those two would have to add Liligren might do it but i think Dermott would be the ask. I doubt the leafs want to part with three roster players without getting a rhd in return. Interesting proposal none the less.


17.) 26 May 2020 13:56:11
This trade is so pro Leaf that any true hockey fan can see it. Many of the Leaf posters here never see the Jets play more than 5 times a season so they can't see what fans who watch 70 plus games see about what Connor and Laine bring to the Jets. Plus they listen to their own Leaf bias talk shows that insist their players are all A+ quality and worth much more than they really are. The Leafs over pay to keep their players and try to dump them on other teams in trades that heavily favor the Leafs to try to get cap relief.


18.) 26 May 2020 15:00:11
Islandjet, you can say leafs fans on here are biased about leafs players, but you also have to be willing to admit you are extremely biased about jets players. Is this trade fair, likely not. The leafs have the best and worst player in this deal. Marner being the best, the happiest between him and Connor is smaller than the gap between Laine and Kapanen so that is not balanced. However, to say things like Laine is a great 2 way player and Pionk is a number 1 d man are just ridiculous pro jets takes. If we all want to be realistic here, Laine is a poor defensive player, which could eventually change. Pionk is at this point a good number 4 d man who has some offensive upside, but has a lot of work to do in his own end. So before you take shots at the leafs fans for being bias take a look at getting rid of your own biases.


19.) 26 May 2020 17:06:15
Again Though Matt, it goes both ways. Just the fact that some Leaf fans here are trying to justify this as a fair trade truly let's you know how biased towards anything Leafs they are.


20.) 26 May 2020 17:45:37
Lol Memarcus, that literally exactly what I said is that you guys both need to be willing to admit of jets biased you are if you are willing to point out how leafs biased other people are. I agreed that some are leafs bias, but can’t believe some of the bias that you two show in order to try and shame other people for being bias. It makes no sense at all.


 

 

23 May 2020 04:18:09
Leafs trade Holl, Dermott, Kapanen
Edmonton trades Broberg, Bouchard

Right now, Dermott and Holl are better than Bouchard and Broberg, though those two have the more upside. Edmonton wants to compete now. Dermott and Holl are both top 4 defensemen that can step in to their too 4 and contribute immediately. Kapanen gives them the speedy RW they covst.

In return, we get two stud defense prospects. Dermott won't be missed much except in case of j jury, but even then we should be ok. Holl hurts, but can easily be replaced through free agency if Lehtonen can't do it. And finally, losing Kapanen hurts, but again, w already got him replaced from within, and by I cliding hi, it is a large enough overlay that Edmonton night take it.

Edmonton gets in ediateky and significantly better and skip the development process for their two rookie defensemen prospect players and they add a RW that is fast enough to keep up with either McDavid or Draisaitl

Leaves lose some cap space. We lose valuable pieces, but for the most part, they are depth players that have already been replaced either from within or from KHL. We need to reduce salary and since we have as strong team already, these two pieces will ensure we have solid defense for the next decade at affordable pricing.

LeafsGM

1.) 23 May 2020 12:11:37
Beauty trade if Edmonton bites.
Good for both teams now
Steal for Leafs later.


2.) 23 May 2020 15:18:26
The only thing I see is does Edmonton need defence more than forwards? I would think not but you never know.


3.) 23 May 2020 18:29:10
I'm usually very biased against Dermott trades but I like this one. Good value all around. Well done.


4.) 23 May 2020 20:05:32
Edmonton should not trade a d-man as the need them.


5.) 23 May 2020 20:41:52
Edmonton needs dmen do they IslandJet? Well it's a good thing I traded two of them to Edmonton in this trade. Two very good ones at that. Neither Bouchard or Broberg are expected to make the team next year. As of right now, they are both anywhere from 2 years to never making the team away. Dermott and Holl would not be playing for Edmonton next year. Dermott might not make their top 4 next year, but he woukd definitely replace Klefbom or Nurse eventually, depending on which one Edmonton keeps (probably Nurse) . And Holl would be able to step in to Edmonton's second line next year as well. He's is an improvement over virtually every RHD they have on the team. He might even make their top line.

If Edmonton wants to compete, they would not hesitate to trade away either, or both, of those two guys. Edmonton gets significantly better on defense, and they add a 20g/ 40pt winger in the process. They improve all over actually. Again, Bouchard and Broberg are not expected to make the team next year, and might never make the team. All three incoming players, including the TWO DEFENSEMEN would all be contributing significantly and immediately. Exactly what a team like Edmonton wants.


6.) 23 May 2020 21:02:05
The two you traded to the Oilers are vastly inferior to the potential of the Oiler players. Edmonton would be better off waiting a couple of years and having younger, more skilled, and better d-men than the ones offered in this trade.


7.) 23 May 2020 21:14:39
Holl hit his ceiling I agree there. Dermott has not. His potential is not far lower. Teams also make trades every year for immediate gains over long term value.


8.) 23 May 2020 21:54:40
Good argument. You make a good point. They should wait another three or four years so McDavids contract can expire and he can bolt to another team first chance he gets like Tavares did. I believe Matthews and Marners and Nylanders contracts all expire right around the same time. Maybe we can lure him here with a massive offer like we did Tavares. McDavid is from Newmarket after all. I mean, Edmonton is making little effort to become competitive right now. If it wasn't for Draisaitl having such an outstanding season, McDavid would be carrying the team on his back again and Edmonton would likely not be in the playoffs this year. Nobody seriously considers them a contender despite having the two best players in the world on the team. If they can make a trade that significantly and immediately improves the team, they would do it. This deal gives them two things they want: a young speedy puck moving offensive defenseman (Dermott), and a young speedy offensive rw that can play top 6 (Kapanen) . They also get Holl, who would probably be their best RHD on the roster next year.

Bouchard and Broberg are probably both going to be very good players. They night even both be top 50 defensemen. But that won't be until McDavids contract is over.

If I was Holland, I would start thinking how I could speed up this rebuild without impacting long term future growth. And this is a pretty good way to do that. You hope Broberg turns out to be a top 4 defenseman like Dermott. Dermott is already that good. See the difference?


9.) 24 May 2020 04:37:19
Athanasiou/ McDavid/ kapanen

That would be one of the sickest lines in the nhl.

Definitely The fastest
Then you have
Draisaitl/ nugent-Hopkins/ kassian

Would oilers do kapanen for Nurse? If you Threw in holl?


10.) 24 May 2020 11:58:10
If you really needed money today and someone offered you $1000 or gave you the option to put it in a stock that in 5 years could potentially give you $10,000 what would you do?

Thats this deal and there really is no right or wrong answer . just depends if you want the talent now or potenial more talent later

Good thinker as always.


11.) 25 May 2020 02:19:02
That's a very good analagy Craigger. Because, like stocks, prospects are volatile. Those guys could end up bust. About the same chance they both bust as there is they both become top 50 defenseman.


 

 

 

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30 May 2020 23:33:30
Vegas is strong at forward. I don't think they will downgrade from Theodore for Johnsson. Not worth it for them. They are also right tight against the cap. Same as the Leafs. So they can't add salary, which this trade does.

Vegas sees themselves as contenders. So unless a trade makes them better for a cup run, they won't make it. I don't think this trade does it for them.

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29 May 2020 14:14:18
Why expose Kerfoot and lose him for nothing anyway? He's a good player. Surely you can trade him and earn a good return and just expose a lesser player?

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29 May 2020 14:04:02
Instead of trading for Manson I'd like to see Holm start throwing that big body of his around a little more.

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29 May 2020 13:55:15
I don't know if Brooks is as good as Lizotte. I can't see Brooks stepping in next year and scoring double digit goals and points. He's got potential to be a good 4C, and maybe a 3C eventually. But I have a hard time seeing him step into the role right out from the Marlies.

Besides, I said take Kempe if you weren't sold in Lizotte.

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29 May 2020 13:51:58
I just figure if we have to dump salary we would be taking prospects and picks in return.

Would have been nice to see Leafs make at least one all-in type move. If we could have afforded Karlsson, even for the one year, given how good we did last year, I got to think our playoffs would have turned out much differently.

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