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04 Jun 2020 14:45:25
Tor: Johnsson Dermott Kerfoot
Ana: heinen manson

Two birds one stone

Hyman Matthews marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev heinen kapanen
Engvall Spezza Barabanov

Reilly manson
Muzzin Lehtonen
Sandin Holl

Leafs1994

1.) 04 Jun 2020 15:25:20
ducks deal is not happening with that. will have to include Liljegren. ducks don't need left handed dmen.


2.) 04 Jun 2020 17:00:49
I'd rather keep what we have.


3.) 04 Jun 2020 17:09:43
Swap Dermott w lili should get it done big win for us.


4.) 04 Jun 2020 17:55:04
Let's see:

Leafs gain cap space: ✓
Leafs trade from strength to address weakness: ✓

Leafs keep the core intact: ✓

Leafs gain a stay at home defenseman that hits a lot (increase grit) : ✓

Leafs bring in a true 1RHD: X

Leafs get younger, faster, and more skilled: X

Leafs gain picks for future use: X

Leafs are a better team after: X

So, some good, some bad. Personally I feel the bad outweighs the good, but that's debateable and depends on how much you like the incoming players I guess.

Manson is not a 1RHD and would be the worst partner for Reilly possibly ever. He only has two years after this season though, so if he doesn't work out, we can expose him for Seattle and maybe slip them a pick for doing us that favor.

Heinen is a pretty big downgrade from Kerfoot, which is the most questionable part of the trade for me. He's a good player I'm sure, but going by what I've read, we might be better off keeping Kerfoot and trading Kapanen. But then again, I guess that depends on whether you like apples or oranges type question. And whether Anaheim would want a winger or a center. I'm thinking a winger more because they have good centres still and the last two years in a row they drafted a highly rated center first round. Zegras is the one they say is the next superstar on the team, but that Lundestrom is a highly rated prospect player as well. Anaheim needs wingers. Rackell and Silfverberg are their best wingers and they are middle six players on a contending team.


5.) 04 Jun 2020 19:23:52
Heinen is a Hyman type player out works his opponents doesn’t put up big numbers be is a great shutdown guy And I think would be a great pk guy alongside Hyman I would say his only knock would be he’s not a true center but neither is Engvall and he got a shot at it as for manson he’s big throws the body and is a stay at home guy might not be a true 1rhd but looking at the market that guy does not exist for the leafs so he’s probably one of the better options by putting manson with Reilly the hope is that Reilly can go back to being a more offensive player which had him net 70 pts and was in the Norris conversation as for the players going back Dermott is a decent player he isn’t flashy and still has time to grow as a player but leafs have the depth on the left side with guys like Sandin who is projecting to be better anyways Kerfoot is a younger guy can play wing or center as he did this year and Johnsson is a solid player too just was signed for too much and the leafs have cheaper options The bonus to this trade is we save cap and neither player has a lot of term so if it doesn’t work they become easy pieces to move.


6.) 04 Jun 2020 22:39:05
I understand everyone wants more "Hyman" type players but he's one of a kind in a lot of ways. A lot of grinders can't net 30 goals and play top line minutes with superstars. Hyman needs to be resigned because bringing in Heinan isn't a solution to losing him.


7.) 05 Jun 2020 03:06:15
Hyman should be considered one of the core. He's like the Patrick Sharp of the team. Hard working grinder with a nose for the net.


8.) 05 Jun 2020 09:12:05
Who said heinen was his replacement for a year now we have all been posting on here how the leafs need to be a more gritty team that’s what he brings same with manson The leafs have all the offence they need but we need a few good defensive players now.


 

 

20 May 2020 11:14:26
The reconstruction of the 3rd line

Tor: Johnsson
Cgf: Bennett

Tor: Kerfoot
Nsh: Watson

Tor: kapanen
Cbj: Anderson

Watson Bennett Anderson

This line would be a line that I would hate to play against you'd be getting hit every time you touch the puck for each trade you could add picks or prospects to even it out but we get the style of player we need while getting some cap savings

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1.) 20 May 2020 12:59:04
I’d do it but I’d say add Bracco, holl and Engvall and pry David Savard from them.


2.) 20 May 2020 15:03:06
Anderson is not worth Kapanen at all, Columbus would have to add a very good prospect like Texier or Milano or Fix-Wolanski.


3.) 20 May 2020 15:06:17
I think all are overpayments and the other team should be adding at least one decent prospect.


4.) 20 May 2020 15:52:39
Other than this year Anderson and kapanens numbers have been pretty much identical the difference is kapanen was healthy all year and Anderson had injuries don’t undervalue a player based on one year kapanen isn’t that great of a player himself if he hasn’t done much in terms of improving in the past two years as for the other trades Bennett doesn’t put up the points that Johnson does but he also makes less and would be a more effective role player and Kerfoot same deal Toronto doesn’t need every line to be goal scorers we need toughness and role players that’s what these three bring the leafs need to save cap somewhere and this is how you do it without trading one of Matthews marner or Nylander.


5.) 20 May 2020 16:26:38
I’m just saying these trade are basically middle six forwards for bottom 6 forwards, there is basically no incentive for the leafs other then the grit these players bring and the cap savings they will get.

However, the thing is they can get more from these trades, that’s what I’m saying. You may even be able to pry Nutivaara from Columbus as well.

Another thing is I just don’t see all three of these guys being traded and not a single defenceman coming back the other way.


6.) 20 May 2020 16:37:29
@Leafs1994 I agree Anderson will probably rebound from his bad season. I also think he can actually be had cheaper though so maybe Kapanen and a decent pick or prospect as you stated works out.

The first two aren't all that far off if you add in some kind of prospect or pick either. Good prop all in all.


7.) 20 May 2020 17:39:20
I don't think Chart makes that deal. Bennett has been a solid third line centre for them. Unless they have a replacement come back, I don't think they will take this. Johnsson is a leftie. Calgary is looking for a right shot forward. So maybe Kapanen. But probably not Johnsson.


8.) 20 May 2020 17:52:43
I don't want to knock down Watson, he is a good player, but his history of substance abusers makes me think Leafs would be very hesitant to make this deal. If he was three or more years removed from rehab, it would be a lot safer bet. Right now though, especially with the season suspended and all that free time, I would take a wait and see approach.


9.) 20 May 2020 19:08:11
At leafs gm I think the flames need winger depth they have a lot of center depth as it is if they want a righty maybe a guy like Engvall or Korshkov with Johnsson in a bigger deal might work out better as for Watson I see where your coming from but I think in a top organization like Toronto I think he would get a lot better help with that kind or thing.


10.) 20 May 2020 23:08:32
I might do this, but what toronto really needs is a d-man that can actually play D.


11.) 21 May 2020 02:28:17
You're right. Flames are looking for a right shot winger. Bennett is a good player. He would be a good replacement for Kerfoot. If we could get him for Kapanen or Johnsson I think it's a good idea. It doesn't save a ton of cap, but every dollar counts at this point.

Watson is a good player too. He seems to have done well enough this year. There's a good chance he might have it under control. If Nashville played him, chances are he's doing well. NHL has a good substance abusers program. I'm sure he's well taken care of.


12.) 21 May 2020 02:45:04
D-man that can actually play D Toronto actually has some of lol just not on the right side. Reilly makes his mistakes but is passable. Dermott is improving immensely every year and Muzzin is obviously a shut down guy.


13.) 21 May 2020 22:17:53
Keep kappy and run

Kapanen- Bennett- Anderson.


 

 

15 May 2020 12:31:43
Tor: kapanen Dermott
Ana: Kesler (LTIR) manson 3rd

Tor: Johnsson Bracco
Cbj: Anderson
Or
Sign maroon if his price tag is cheap enough

So the first trade makes more sense to me now leafs are looking for LTIR contracts Kesler has a big one which would cover mansons deal and some manson is on a rebuilding team and is getting pretty old and probably isn't a long term guy there as for Anderson I really like this player he's big plays a heavy game and can put pucks in the net something the leafs done have if a deal can't be made a guy like Martin proven winner and a good depth guy might be a good fit at the right price

Leafs1994

1.) 15 May 2020 16:39:34
Anderson trade I would definitely do.

Manson trade though seems really steep to me. Kappy and Dermott have to have more value than this.


2.) 15 May 2020 17:22:44
Manson is a cap dump that trade is absolutely horrible for the leafs.


3.) 15 May 2020 17:30:26
Kappy is a 40 pts depth guy his value is his penalty killing and Dermott needs to be signed and really hasn’t done much thus far in his young career keep in mind mason is a top 4 player and we are getting a LTIR contract that does us a huge favour plus a pretty good 3rd.


4.) 15 May 2020 18:02:50
Kappy is a 20/ 40 guy as a third liner. Many teams would run him as a top 6 player because most don't have Nylander and Marner.

Dermott is better than what you believe here. He had unreal numbers as a top pairing guy with Muzzin and Reilly out. He may not be Reilly at this point in his career but I think a lot of people forget that he is actually only 23. He is 2 years older than Liljigren and has shown far more in his time. Playing sheltered minutes under Babs and then Keefe before the injuries didn't give him a chance to show what he's got.


5.) 15 May 2020 19:11:47
How is manson a cap dump? And as for kappy I think he’s a depth guy on most teams that are good on the ducks he would probably play top six but not on a playoff team as for Dermott I never said he wasn’t good he just hasn’t impressed me all that much and is stuck behind other players which then leads to the question do you want to play 3 mil for a bottom pair guy kind of the same situation we had with Connor brown.


6.) 15 May 2020 20:20:56
I don't think Reilly comes back. I been saying that for awhile. In 3 years I can see Dermott and Muzzin top 4. Then when Muzzin contract ends Sandin and Dermott. If your lock up Dermott now to say an 8/ 4 deal you really don't take a risk on it and he can only improve.


7.) 15 May 2020 20:21:23
I have been a huge Dermott fan for awhile now as is well documented though lol.


8.) 15 May 2020 21:00:25
I really couldn’t tell lol I too have my suspicion about Rielly.


 

 

14 May 2020 13:01:07
Tor: Reilly Liljegren
Chi: boqvist Murphy

Muzzin Murphy
Lehtonen Holl
Sandin boqvist

Leafs1994

1.) 14 May 2020 14:08:25
I think you would likely need more from Chicago for the leafs to be willing to do this. Boqvist is a good prospect, but Connor Murphy is probably a 5/ 6 defender. You would need Chicago to add even without liljegren included in the deal never mind with him.


2.) 14 May 2020 14:15:46
For a number one d man like Rielly is you are trading for a prospect, you are going to be looking to get a solid prospect (Boqvist), a roster player (Murphy is alright) and a 1st round pick plus like ya conditional pick. Think about what the senators got for karlsson on an expiring contract. Not saying Rielly is as good as Karlsson was considered to be at the time, but he is also not on an expiring contract either.


3.) 14 May 2020 15:46:16
Fair argument I would say Murphy is a better player than what you are saying but that aside you can make the argument and comparison to the Karlsson deal but I think the only add would be probably like you stated a conditional pick of some sort.


4.) 14 May 2020 15:56:39
It’s close, but I’d pass personally. I really like Rielly, and would hate to see him go. But that package is a little less than I’d want.


5.) 14 May 2020 17:00:49
Karlsson got more for the sens because he agreed to sign a 7 year deal. Same with Pageau. Neither would have brought the kind of return they did otherwise. I would want more for Reilly if he was dealt but boquvist I am a fan of. If they take this without Liljigren included I'm in.


6.) 14 May 2020 17:05:13
But farmboy would you rather win a cup in the next few years or do you want to keep getting bounced first round every year yes Reilly is not ideal to move but if you can get the value for him then it’s something that the leafs should look at.


7.) 14 May 2020 18:02:23
If their was a 1st thrown in this deal would be a lot more interesting.

Pretty risky. The top line looks like a downgrade. Boqvist might work out as a top 1RHD, but he doesn't have a whole lot more chance than Liljegren if you ask me. But you probably won't find a much better offer. I'd look for the 1st as well. Chicago looks ready to tank again.


8.) 14 May 2020 22:34:22
LeafsLife, you are mistaken on Karlsson. The trade value had nothing to do with the contract. He signed that contract after playing an entire season with the team. He told them before the trade that he wasn’t willing to commit to signing with them unless he enjoyed his time there for the season.


 

 

14 May 2020 02:36:55
Tor: Sandin
Avs: Byram

Or

Tor: kapanen Sandin 2nd
Avs: byram Newhook

So first thought here is by swapping byram with Sandin it gives the leafs the option to hold on to Dermott a bit longer while byram develops into the new Morgan Reilly the second trade I don't think would happen but it would be great to see a future line with Newhook and Robertson

Leafs1994

1.) 14 May 2020 09:18:31
Sandin is great. He might be the next Morgan Reilly himself. But I think Colorado is pretty stoked about Byram. They won't do a 1-for-1. Sandin is only a year ahead of Byram after all. And Byram has much higher potential total.

Kapanen for Newhook is the type of deal I see a desperate gm who wants to win now, damn the future, would make. Sakic isn't there yet. Chicago might be a team willing to make a deal like that though.


2.) 14 May 2020 16:02:28
Ya, no way Colorado does that trade. You can’t just under value every no Leaf prospect and say they are not worth that much. Byram has potential to be as good as Cale Makar. Sandin is good, but he is no Byram, the best D prospect in the nhl right now.


3.) 14 May 2020 17:05:56
This doesn't get done. Sandin looks good but he isn't Makar, Byram, Dahlin type of D. He may be able to hit that one day but Byram is still looking like he has a higher ceiling.


4.) 14 May 2020 17:07:58
Farmboy I think there could be an argument made here byram isn’t in the nhl yet Sandin is at the world juniors Sandin was the top d player I think in the long run byram will be better but it’s close.


5.) 14 May 2020 18:54:27
Sure it’s kind of close. But Byram has a higher ceiling I think. So Colorado passes.


 

 

 

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05 Jun 2020 09:17:35
Would take a lot to pry him away from Lou but not bad target.

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05 Jun 2020 09:16:35
I wouldn’t want to trade Freddie for a developing goalie I like Ferland not enough for this deal.

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05 Jun 2020 09:12:05
Who said heinen was his replacement for a year now we have all been posting on here how the leafs need to be a more gritty team that’s what he brings same with manson The leafs have all the offence they need but we need a few good defensive players now.

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04 Jun 2020 19:23:52
Heinen is a Hyman type player out works his opponents doesn’t put up big numbers be is a great shutdown guy And I think would be a great pk guy alongside Hyman I would say his only knock would be he’s not a true center but neither is Engvall and he got a shot at it as for manson he’s big throws the body and is a stay at home guy might not be a true 1rhd but looking at the market that guy does not exist for the leafs so he’s probably one of the better options by putting manson with Reilly the hope is that Reilly can go back to being a more offensive player which had him net 70 pts and was in the Norris conversation as for the players going back Dermott is a decent player he isn’t flashy and still has time to grow as a player but leafs have the depth on the left side with guys like Sandin who is projecting to be better anyways Kerfoot is a younger guy can play wing or center as he did this year and Johnsson is a solid player too just was signed for too much and the leafs have cheaper options The bonus to this trade is we save cap and neither player has a lot of term so if it doesn’t work they become easy pieces to move.

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02 Jun 2020 18:03:40
The pressure is always high in Toronto no matter if you’re on the top line or the bottom line.

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