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25 Nov 2020 16:45:17
Leafs trade Korshkov, Sapego
SJ trades Dahlen, Ivanyuzhenkov

We get a little younger and faster up front, and a lot bigger and stronger back end.

At least the Growlers would have if they were playing this year.

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1.) 25 Nov 2020 17:51:39
I mean San Jose is a dumpster fire I mean they have no depth and no prospects due to trading them all away and then payed a 33pts player more than 4.5 mil got to hurt I can see them selling some big players this year.


2.) 25 Nov 2020 20:21:33
San Jose has a couple good young players just not many. Biggest issue they have is aging players making a tonne of money. Karlsson and Burns are the best examples.


3.) 25 Nov 2020 21:22:47
It wouldn’t surprise me if SJ thinks last year was an anomaly still and go for it all again this year.

If they suck again this year, blow it all up before deadline and expansion draft. Get what you can and start over.


4.) 26 Nov 2020 06:15:16
I can see that HL. Go into this year and see what they have. Come deadline either go all in one last time or sell everything of value.


 

 

22 Nov 2020 18:12:28
To Leafs: Zacha, Walsh, Coleman
To Tampa: Mikheyev, Bahl
To NJ: Kerfoot, Holl, Johnson, Foote

Leafs save $2.8M cap space

Tampa saves $5.15M cap space

NJ gains $10.25M in cap space which they can easily afford and Foote goes to play with his brother for their dad.

Tampa is in a bind, and if they want to dump Johnson, it will cost them Foote. Simple as that. Jersey would do them that favor I’m sure.

For Tampa and Toronto, this is all about saving cap without decimating the team. Both teams need to cut costs, and this trade achieves that.

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1.) 23 Nov 2020 00:26:18
Why help Tampa out at all

Just do kerfoot and holl for zacha and Walsh and call it a day

I want Tampa to figure this out without leafs help.


2.) 23 Nov 2020 08:03:29
I was looking at Tampa’s roster and wanted to throw them in on a trade somehow I guess. See if we could take advantage of their cap situation somehow. It’s fun to play make-belief.

Coleman is one of the best two-way forwards in the game. For basically the same price, he should be a pretty big upgrade over Milheyev.


3.) 23 Nov 2020 14:28:43
Good point Coleman would be a great addition.


4.) 23 Nov 2020 16:57:48
Works well for Tampa and the Leafs, not sure NJ would do this.

For NJ it is
out-Zacha, Walsh and Bahl
In Kerfoot, Holl, Johnson, Foote and add $10+ to their cap.
They improve a bit, but the biggest issue is all these NHL players that are good/ ok, are signed for at least 3 more years and they have so many players to re-sign in the next two years. Foote is great, but they lost a lot of their cap flexibility and I am not sure that would make it worth it for them.


5.) 23 Nov 2020 17:31:31
I like the deals I just can’t see how Toronto can add more players at this point as for New Jersey it’s ok and I say the cause they can literally flip Johnson Holl and kerfoot at the deadline to gain more assets if I’m the leafs i would take Foote over Coleman just because it’s still more of a position of need.


6.) 23 Nov 2020 20:15:47
I love the idea of getting Coleman. I am a huge fan of his.


7.) 23 Nov 2020 20:19:32
@Leafs1994. Leafs give up 3 roster players to get back 2 roster players.
Devils would have just traded 3 young guys to get these guys, so wouldn't make sense really to move them at the TDL to get other young guys.
You also have Holl with a modified NTC and Johnson with a Full NTC. You would have to get them to waive to go to NJ in the first place. Doubt they waive again in the same year at the TDL. Plus, Johnson was already waived and no one took him when they could have got him for free, so I doubt someone will give anything up at the TDL for him.
Yes, they can afford the cap hits, I just don't see them taking on the cap hits and giving away developing players that could end up being just as good as the ones they traded for and taking on over $10M in cap so they can get Foote.


8.) 24 Nov 2020 00:17:59
This whole prop came from a mistaken belief I had the Adam Foote was the new head coach of the Devils. If that was the case, I could see them willing to take on Johnson’s contract just to get Foote so he could be playing with his brother for their dad. That’s it. It was like any other of those cute proposals in keeping the game a family affair.

Except I was wrong. Foote isn’t the new head coach of NJ.

I pulled a Craigger move and didn’t bother making a cursory search to confirm something I thought was suspect but sounded right enough that I took it as true. It happens. It’s a pain in the ass looking up every minor detail so if I think I have it right off the top of my head I go with it. We all do it. I’m guilty as charged.

Having said that, yes, I would rather have Foote too, and Bahl, Which means Walsh and Liljegren go to Tampa.

Screw them anyway.


 

 

20 Nov 2020 19:20:03
Leafs trade Dermott
Montreal trades Danault*, 3rd
*Montreal retains 50% ($1.5M)

Danault wants out and Dermott is expendable. Montreal needs LHD and Dermott is a good one. Danault is a good defensive forward with offensive skills. He would fit good on a line with Kerfoot. Heck, he might even be able to make it to the second line and bounce Mikheyev to third. As a rental, Leafs get the pick to make up for the difference in term.

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1.) 20 Nov 2020 22:05:51
Source on danault if this is true would be a good one to pick up.


2.) 20 Nov 2020 22:40:54
Yes Danault would be a nice pickup
I can see him on lw with Nostrils and Goldilocks.


3.) 20 Nov 2020 23:21:47
I love this trade except leafs have 2 plus million cap space to shed with this deal.

Danault would be a great addition.


4.) 21 Nov 2020 13:11:31
If 50% retained, we should only be over another $.8M
That said, I thought the reason Danault possibly wanted out of Montreal was because he wanted a top 6C role and the young kids were going to be given those spots. No? If so, he is not getting a top 6C role hear either and not sure he even gets a top 6 role at all in T. O.


5.) 21 Nov 2020 13:53:10
1.05 + .627 puts Toronto 1.632 over cap if this trade happened

Don’t see leafs adding to cap at this time. Doesn’t stop me from liking this trade though.


6.) 24 Nov 2020 15:59:06
Be serious. This isn't close to a credible offer.

Danault is a highly regarded 1C/ 2C on one of the best lines in hockey, and is on the Selke ballot the last few years.

Dermot isn't good enough to crack Montreal's roster, period.

If MTL were to trade Danault they'd get more than Dermott, they wouldn't have to include a 3rd, and they definitely wouldn't have to RETAIN 1.5M.


 

 

20 Nov 2020 16:36:05
Leafs trade Nylander
Avs trade Nichuskin, Graves

In keeping with the whole trying to be “harder to play against”, Leafs pick up a middle six forward that finished 8th in Selke voting and a top 50 ranked defenseman with size and edge. Graves is LHD but can play RHD, like Brodie. We save a bit of cap too.

Vesey/ Kerfoot/ Nichuskin

Rielly/ Brodie Rielly/ Graves
Muzzin/ Graves Muzzin/ Brodie

Third line looks much improved as a hybrid line that can both shut down the opposition and chip in the off goal. Defense looks much improved and has added flexibility.

Win, win.

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1.) 20 Nov 2020 23:32:49
To quote shania Twain”he doesn’t impress me much”
That’s my overall feeling about graves. If I wanted a big plus minus guy I woulda suggested pat nemeth 2 years ago. Take these guys away from systems that compliment their styles and you get exactly what pat nemeth is in Detroit. Toronto is no place for a slow big guy who can’t pass. He works in Colorado because they are built to have 1 puck mover and 1 stay at hone guy. Toronto is very very very much not built like they.

Like him now but once a leaf he will look a lot like a big guy leafs have now that every fan is wishing they to get rid of.

Sorry that’s just my opinion I could be way off his assessment as a leaf but I only go by what I’ve seen in past 10 years on this leaf team and that is big slow D don’t work well in this locked out city.


2.) 21 Nov 2020 00:11:48
This would be a good move just for graves alone but i don’t think the avs would want to tie that much money up long term.


3.) 21 Nov 2020 13:18:06
I don't think the value is really off and Leafs get the $1M+ in cap savings. The AV's have Rantanen, Burakovsky and Donskoi on the right and Landeskog and Saad already on the Left. Do they really need Nylander? I don't see the fit.


 

 

19 Nov 2020 23:24:18
Leafs trade Kerfoot
Minnesota trades Foligno, Khovanov

Now Foligno is a guy that can play good hockey. Kerfoot gets accolades for his defensive play. Puh-leeeeze. Foligno is one of the best defensive forwards in the league. Maybe even the best. If he scored a few more points he would be a Selke winner.

Khovanov had a good showing last year in CHL. Playing KHL right now. Him or Lodnia would be a good throw in to balance the difference in contract lengths as Foligno is a rental and probably wouldn’t be back next year. Or would he?

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1.) 20 Nov 2020 13:38:19
I like foligno definitely a physical presence and is a moose but I don’t think you get foligno and a prospect for Kerfoot.


2.) 20 Nov 2020 13:52:01
I like the deal. The issue with Foligno is I found he really looked disinterested a lot the past couple of seasons. Maybe a change of scenery would be good. He would help us in an area we lack. Now if we can only find a top 6 guy with those qualities.


3.) 20 Nov 2020 17:32:31
Foligno is a rental, while Kerfoot is signed for another three years. I figured the difference in contract lengths was worth a b-prospect at least.


4.) 20 Nov 2020 22:30:58
I would throw in brooks or Engvall if it meant getting it done

Foligno would give us some jam playing with Tavares and marner

Khovanov is a solid prospect

Our bottom 6 in a year will be all Russians 😁

Korshkov Khovanov mikheyev barabanov abramov Amirov.


5.) 20 Nov 2020 23:46:24
Yes with an extra side of yes please.


6.) 21 Nov 2020 00:16:40
I get that but it’s not like Kerfoot has put up great numbers I’d say maybe a late pick if anything.


 

 

 

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27 Nov 2020 11:22:47
I think that was my best Dubas rip yet. Lol.

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27 Nov 2020 00:31:21
This is crazy. Lol. I love it.

My first thought was: who is going to be captain? It would be very difficult to bring McDavid in as 1C and expect him to wear the “A”. Undermining Tavares’ authority even more in the locker room, we would see a divisive situation not unlike when SJ ended up stripping Thornton of his “C”.

Leafs trade a Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati for a Bugatti Voiture Noire. After this they would have the fastest most expensive car in the world, but they would have to lose all the other pretty toys to do it.

The Leafs would have even more cap tied up in their three highest paid players. The only relief comes in dumping Nylander really.

Edmonton looks to be the clear winners. They win the cup and remain contenders for a long time with all those good young players and futures. They improve massively in the back end and still have a 90+ point player coming back in return to set up the league’s current 50 goal scorer Art Ross and Hart winner. Heck. Marner might even get over 100 points with Draisaitl beside him.

But, we get McDavid. His contract is longer than Nylanders and Marner’s, so that buys us a couple more years of contention. And if you buy into the whole hockey is a strong-link game theory, then an argument can be made that having McDavid on the team would pay higher dividends than the other guys.

And maybe it would if it was just the forwards. But Rielly is too big of a loss in the back end. Muzzin/ Brodie, both on the wrong side of 30, do not seem to me a cup winning top line pair. I have faith in the bottom four doing their job competently enough. But the top pair is more important by far. And I just don’t think Muzzin and Brodie are the right combination to be running it.

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27 Nov 2020 00:18:00
That trades made my day. When I saw all the guys coming back, I actually started laughing. In a good way too. These are the types of trades I love.

Rangers would jump on that deal. They want to contend now. As in right now, while they got Panarin and Kakko and Lafrenniere and all those other great players. Once the ELC’s on all those prospects run out, the window of opportunity starts to close rapidly. They need to start moving out quantity and bringing in quality. This trade accomplishes that. I know you said Schneider, but unless it’s Fox, then it’s not worth it. We don’t want to weaken the team. Fox is a top 4 defenseman and is worth Nylander. The other two guys are just there to make the salary work. Trading from a position of strength to address a position of weakness is always a smart idea.

Kerfoot for Noel is a cap dump after the Rangers trade. We have too many middle six guys and we trade out the higher priced guy. We could always dump Buchnevich, but he’s a lot bigger. And so is Noel. So goodbye Kerfoot. Lol.

The Cirelli deal is a steal. Tampa is going to have to lose someone of significance, but they aren’t going to give him away to us. Lol. Is Korshkov NHL ready? I’m not so sure about that. Engvall maybe, Korshkov no.

Trying to take advantage of another GM’s cap misfortunes given the Leafs current situation seems ironic. It is of some satisfaction to see Tampa is in a bind right now. But since they won the cup, i guess they are paying the price now. I don’t underestimate them at all. They will still be a formidable team next year. The core will remain the same and most of the depth will be there again as well. Coleman, Maroon, Goodrow, and Paquette appears to have replaced at least one of Johnson or Cirelli. I don’t think Tampa parts with Cernak. They need him still.

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26 Nov 2020 18:30:05
The draft is such a contentious issue. And it can be debated either way. Unfortunately, we won’t know the results for at least a few years.

I’m going to say some good things here. Because I do actually think the draft is one area that Dubas really does excel in. I do think he is an excellent evaluator of talent, and I have faith in the Leafs scouting department. Then I’m going to end on the negative (s) .

First, the focus on older European players this year was a smart choice by the Leafs. I counted three 19 year olds and one 20 year old (he was still draft eligible because of draft was when it should have been he was still 19). Out of 12 picks, that’s a full 25% of the players who were over 18. These guys are going to be NHL ready earlier (if they make it) and won’t have their development delayed by any league shutdowns. For a team that is going to be needing to constantly replace their bottom six players, that’s a wise decision.

The other thing I noticed that I liked is the fact they went off-grid with a lot of the later round players. There really isn’t a lot of information available on some of these guys. Even HockeyDB, which is the largest database of hockey players in the world, has no information on Fusco. They don’t even have his birthday listed, so I’m not sure how old he is. By drafting these relatively unknowns, Leafs have a better chance at finding a “late round gem” like Johnsson again. Again, I think this is a smart idea. Leafs are leveraging the resources of their scouting department and trying to find an edge, which is exactly what they should be doing with so many late round picks.

Now, having said that, I am going to approach the negatives.

I’m going to beat the same drum again that I’ve mentioned before a million times. The biggest knock against these guys is their size. The average size of an NHL player last year was 6’01” and 199.1lbs. The vast majority of the player prospects Leafs drafted the last few years were significantly smaller than this. While they may still fill out a little more, these guys are 18+ adult males. Young adults, true. But still adults. The opportunity for physical development at this point is limited. A few of these guys may have late growth spurts, but will it also be the same guys that have the skill to get into the NHL? That is impossible to say. Contrast our last three drafts to Ottawa. The difference is startling.

Even if the league is moving towards a smaller more skilled player approach, this is not going to happen over night. It will take years and years before the average size of an NHL player drops to the range that Dubas seems to think is ideal. In the meantime, our prospect players are going to be battling in a physical sport dominated by much larger and aggressive players. My own personal opinion on this subject is that a player that is 18 years old and already the size of an average NHL player has less of an uphill battle.

Any issues such as skating can be coached and worked on by the development staff. I am of the opinion that it is better to draft a guy that has a weakness in his game that can be taught, as opposed to drafting someone that is lacking something that just cannot be learned. Rodion is a good example. The biggest knock against him that I read was that he seems unable to compete at higher levels, and having him be a healthy scratch this year in a KHL league that has been decimated by C.V. would seem to be a justification of this.

I hate knocking down these guys. I really do. They are all good players. And when you see a guy like Abramov or Abruzzese doing so well in their respective leagues, you have to hope they will succeed at the higher compete levels as they get older and age out of junior and NCAA. And yet. Will they?

If you are of the opinion that the draft is a gamble, and that odds and probabilities are a factor, then it is impossible to ignore the fact that realistically, the vast majority, of not all of these guys, are going to be a lot closer to Nikolai Borschevsky than Martin St. Louis. When I look at the leader boards, I see a list dominated by individuals that are not of such nature.

Dubas has implemented a skill before size approach. He is drafting smaller skilled players because he thinks they are undervalued by the rest of the league’s GM’s. They are not. I honestly believe in the free market system. And the NHL draft is as laissez faire as it gets. These guys are not undervalued. They are valued exactly where they should be - at the point where someone is willing to draft them. In this case, Kyle Dubas.

It is a display of extreme arrogance that Dubas thinks he is smarter than 30 other GM’s in the league and that he alone has stumbled across the magic formula for success in drafting for the NHL. He has not. He is attempting to game the system, while imagining that the NHL will change to support his views on how the game should be played. The NHL is not going to change for a young upstart GM that has visions of grandiosity. Dubas seems to think he is progressive and the leader of a revolution. He is not.

In order for this strategy to be truly successful, 30 other GM’s have to buy into his vision in a very short period of time. Even if he is right in the long run, for the short term, which is really all that matters when you are advertising your team as a contender and only have a limit of four years at most with this core, he is fighting an uphill battle. Anything short of immediate success with this strategy is going to be seen as a dismal failure in a league and sport that has a short term memory and can’t see past the noses on their face.

While I can appreciate what Dubas is trying to do, I don’t have to agree with it. He is both a brave man, and a foolhardy one at that. It is a massive gamble by Shanahan to buy into this plan, and it is proving to be a hugely expensive and risky operation with no clear signs of success so far. The results seem to speak for themselves the last two years since Dubas took complete control. If it doesn’t work out, Dubas will be relinquished to history along the same lines as JFJ. He will have saddled the team with expensive contracts and gutted the depth, while failing to bring in appropriate replacement players through sound drafting.

I would rather not have a GM that thinks every move he makes is a gamble. History does not favour gamblers well. The vast majority of them go broke at least once or twice before they ever hit the jackpot, if they ever do.

Again, this is how I view the situation as it stands right now. I could easily be wrong and Dubas really is a genius that is smarter than everyone else. I hope so. I really do. But at this point, it is impossible to not at least question what he is attempting and to have doubts.

Was passing up Schneider the right or wrong choice? Impossible to say because we don’t know how either Amirov or Schneider will do in the NHL. What I do know is that RHD is the hardest position to fill in the NHL. Leafs have been lacking a proper 1RHD for upward of a decade or more, and we have exactly one prospect player for that position currently. We are stacked at forwards and have a few in the system that loom like they will be successful NHL’ers of some capacity. We don’t need more forwards, unless you are pre-supposing an exodus of talent in a few years, which would be a defeatist outlook - admitting years in advance that you won’t be able to re-sign your star players and are looking at finding a replacement now.

Even if Rodion really was the best player available, how much better is he at his position than Schneider is at RHD? Most scouts and nhl departments organize prospects in tiers. It is more than reasonable to assume that given their draft positions that Schneider and Amirov are in the same tier. As such, it would make sense to me to draft an equally capable player for a position of need than to take a guy that is more of the same of what we already have.

Dubas is playing an extremely risky game not only with the team's payroll, but also with the roster. The ground is rapidly shrinking beneath his feet as a result.

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25 Nov 2020 23:35:26
Is Dermott a very good young defenseman that has a bright future and I like a lot? Yes.

Is Dermott a better 2RHD than Holl? Probably not,

I can’t say decisively because I haven’t seen Dermott play 2RHD in the NHL. I have seen Holl play that position though, and I think he does it well.

What I like about Dermott is that he is excellent at closing the gap between the rushing forward at the blueline. He forces turnovers and has excellent transition play. Too many Leafs, Rielly is particularly guilty of this, allow the forward to gain entry into the zone with speed, while the defender plays a collapsing box fall back style defense. Dermott is more aggressive at standing up at the blueline and not allowing zone entries against.

Holl is excellent at both zone entries and zone exits with possession. He makes a lot of short accurate outlet passes to the forwards that allows them to exit the defensive zone and enter the neutral zone with possession. He is not known for generating offense, yet that is exactly what he does. And he is very good at it. His numbers don’t appear on the box scores. But a lot of plays that result in a scoring opportunity start from a smart play he made in the back end.

Unless, and until, Dermott (or Lehtonen) proves he is capable of taking that 2RHD spot, that spot is Holl’s to lose. We shouldn’t trade him without adequate replacement.

Bennett is a third line centre. A top 4 defensemen is more valuable than a middle six forward, and the top two pairings is more valuable combined than the top two forward lines. By weakening our top 4 defense to add a bottom six forward, it would weaken the team as a whole.

I’m not convinced Dermott can be a better 2RHD than Holl. I was impressed by both last year. They can both play middle pair defense and step up to top pairing in case of injury. But only at their respective positions. I wouldn’t take risk of losing Holl without bringing in replacement. And I don’t think Dermott is a proper replacement.

Just my two cents. For whatever that’s worth.

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