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23 Oct 2020 15:07:12
Okay you guys ready for a 4 way trade?

Toronto sends nylander, dermott

Tampa sends Johnson 2021 1st,

Winnipeg sends laine, 2021 7th

Detroit sends 2021 1st, seider



Leafs recieve Detroit 1st, Johnson

Tampa receives peg 7th

Winnipeg receives tampa 1st, nylander, seider

Det recieves laine and dermott.

Thoughts? Save about 2 million get a more physical player and also get a likely top 10 pick.

Randy

1.) 23 Oct 2020 15:58:24
The Jets don't want soft, overpaid Nylander. Leaf fans really are trying to trade him.


2.) 23 Oct 2020 16:44:20
Not sure Tampa is ready to add a 1st yet to move Johnson.
You say we get a more physical player in Johnson, are you thinking about Kilorn maybe?


3.) 23 Oct 2020 18:00:59
Lol. Nylander is better in his own zone that Laine. He's also not overpaid based on comparables. If this was one for one Nylander for Laine, Jets jump on it.


4.) 23 Oct 2020 18:28:27
Nylander is not overpaid. I wonder what will be said if Laine gets 9 or 10M on his next deal. I mean, its not like the Jets just traded for a guy making 6.5 who puts up 40-45 pts. And IJ calls Kerfoot at 3.5 a cap dump for putting up the same numbers. lol.


5.) 23 Oct 2020 18:34:18
Johnson throws the body a bit but still has a scoring touch. How do the jets turn down that offer. A 1st a relatively equal player and an a- prospect.


6.) 23 Oct 2020 19:40:13
Ahh, more physical than Nylander, but not necessarily physical. Got ya.


7.) 23 Oct 2020 22:05:31
Dermott signed so cheap amazing.


8.) 24 Oct 2020 00:30:28
I'm sorry but absolutely not from the Leafs. TB is going to have to pay big time to rid themselves of Johnson. The Leafs were forced to pay a 1st to get rid of Marleau.


9.) 24 Oct 2020 05:03:01
A 1st, Nylander, and Seider for Laine and all Leafs get is a guy that was waived and nobody wanted plus a pick? I don’t know about that.

I admit that the thought of Detroit’s 1st next year is tempting, assuming it’s unprotected. But Leafs definitely take a step back by swapping Nylander for Johnson. If they want to contend this year, they would be going in the wrong direction.

I think I’d actually rather have Seider than the pick actually.


10.) 25 Oct 2020 23:41:03
Has a 4 way trade ever happened in NHL

Heck in any league

Would be fun to see.


 

 

21 Oct 2020 17:12:44
You guys want win now? K deal

Tor: marner, dermott, holl, lily, micheyev, 2022 1st, barbanov
Chi: toews 50% retained, kane 50% retained, nylander

Tor: 2022 3rd, 2022 7th
La: leafs 2021 3rd

Tor: Andersen 2022 2nd
Cbj: korpisalo

Toronto offer sheets sergachev
7 years 6 million

Toronto pays 1st 2nd 3rd as compensation

Toronto lineup

Kane Matthews hyman 20
Nylander tavares nylander 19
Kerfoot toews vesey 9.5
Robertson thorton spezza 3
51.5
Waive Simmonds

Reilly brodie 10
Muzzin sergachev 12.5
Lehtonen bagoshian 2
24.5
Korpisalo 2.5
Campbell/ kessel 2.7

Grand total 81.2

Obviously these are way to major of moves to ever happen but we then either make a deal with Seattle to give them a first for them to take engvall or we lose muzzin.

Randy

1.) 21 Oct 2020 17:31:21
Guess I should have read your post first Randy. Lol. I just put one up for Toews too.

Chicago has a couple aging ex-superstars that could be ripe for poaching. With three years left on their contracts, Kane and Toews might still be able to contribute in a middle six (Kane top line even) for a few more years yet. They might not be worth the $10.5, but with retention you get a couple very good players that have won it all already. What more could you want?


2.) 21 Oct 2020 18:08:22
Chicago won't be retaining money.


3.) 21 Oct 2020 18:48:59
They probably would retain money if they do this. They have no reason not too. If they cut kane and Toews they are commiting to a full rebuild and want to tank.

That said though, I think they ask for Robertson and/ or Sandin as a starting point. If this is done they want to rebuild completely and would want A prospects for it.


 

 

21 Oct 2020 01:52:15
I wouldve preferred to do this before trading kap but

Tor: marner, holl,

Ana: drysdale, comtois, dostal, 2021 1st top 10 protected.

Tor: dermott, Andersen ,worst 2021 pick (moves to worst 2022 pick if ana uses protection.)

Col: grubauer

Toronto signs hamonic one year 5 million

Toronto lines

Comtois Matthews hyman
Micheyev tavares nylander
Robertson kerfoot vesey
Spezza thorton simmonds

Reilly brodie
Muzzin hamonic
Lehtonen bagoshian

Grubauer
Campbell

I know that top line doesn't look as good without marner but we take a risk here. We get probably the 5th best goalie prospect and possibly the best defenseman out of the draft. We also look pretty solid on the back end with hamonic muzzin as our shut down pair.

Thoughts? If we never dumped kapanen then we never would have signed simmonds.

Randy

1.) 21 Oct 2020 09:12:46
I think you’re moving from a “win-now” frame of mind to a “win-later” frame of mind with this move. While I like the idea of trading one of the big four, I would like to see a more impact player brought in for the present than a handful of prospects.

I think the value is fair, but given the team wants to win it all right away, this trade weakens the team. The only player to make the team is Comtois.

The Grubauer trade seems like you are giving up a lot for a 30+ year old goalie with only two years on his contracts. Basically if Andersen = Grubauer in terms of capabilities, then Dermott + 1st buys the second year. Seems like an overpay.


2.) 21 Oct 2020 15:36:45
We should be in win now mode. imo
Pretty sure Matthews and Tavares especially would not be thrilled with trading to re-stock the shelves.


3.) 21 Oct 2020 16:40:23
Then they shouldve shared some of those huge contracts they signed.


4.) 21 Oct 2020 17:26:55
I have been on the side of leafsgm for half a year. This team doesn't have what it takes to win a cup. It feels like we are already making back pedalling moves up front.

Leafsgm Andersen=grubauer jn the regular season, dermott buys extra year, 1st buys a game 7 win.


5.) 21 Oct 2020 19:15:14
Randy-No one forced Dubas to sign them to that. They were all RFA's. Dubas made his first mistake by making Willy whole by giving him $7.5 per so he would see 7 in real money for 5.5 seasons. Dubas set the stage by showing them and their agents he will cave. All 3 got minimum 1-1.5M more than they should have given the AAV and term they signed for. That is on Dubas.


6.) 22 Oct 2020 18:06:25
Anaheim is already over the salary cap.

Besides, there's no way they would trade that package. let alone for the return you're suggesting.


 

 

18 Oct 2020 20:52:08
Tor: nylander, marner, dermott
Wpg: ehlers, connor, pionk

Tor: holl, kerfoot,
Col: Timmons, ian Cole



Leaf lineup

Micheyev Matthews ehlers
Connor tavares hyman
Robertson thorton simmonds
Engvall spezza barbanov

Reilly brodie
Muzzin pionk
Cole/lehtonen bagoshian

Andersen
Campbell


Ready to make island and joe mad?

Randy

1.) 19 Oct 2020 00:30:55
Big no

All players are fine. If pionk isn’t on top PP unit he becomes just another dman. He didn’t improve the team he got dealt towas jut better.

On New York he blocked and took away more
On Winnipeg he gave away and hit more

If u can’t figure out why then you don’t watch hockey

He got more assists because he has scoring around him. He is good but his point improvement isn’t all him.

Pass.


2.) 20 Oct 2020 14:44:19
Leafs would need to hold back big $ on those bad contracts.


 

 

18 Oct 2020 17:56:52
Tor: marner, dermott, engvall
Wpg: laine, vesaleinen

Tor: tavares, 2021 3rd
Clb: Dubois

Sign dubois 8 years 7 million
Sign micheyev 5 years 2.5 million
Extend laine 6 years 9 million

Run the 2016 123 line

PLD matthews laine
Hyman nylander kerfoot
Robertson thorton micheyev
Vesey spezza barnanov

Reilly brodie
Muzzin holl
Sandin Lehtonen

Andersen
Campbell

We send out
23.5
We take in 14 this year which turns into 17 next year. Enough to give both hyman and reilly raises. Holl gets taken in expansion draft. Andersen is gone next year opening up another 4 million for sandin and Robertson's raises.

Randy

1.) 18 Oct 2020 18:29:01
The world is going to be nasty to marner if he doesn’t do a lot more next season but I give him next year.


2.) 18 Oct 2020 18:56:32
Matthews and laine play keep away from one another
Dubois plays C
Tavares NMC makes this tough as does his age
Marner and Stasney do opposite of Matthews and laine and keep passing back and forth because Ehlers will be double teamed because no goalie fears stasney ir marners shot

These deals make lol teams less dangerous IMO.


3.) 18 Oct 2020 19:58:53
I just thought the 123 line would be kind of funny.


4.) 18 Oct 2020 21:18:33
It would be.

Wonder if any draft had 1-2-3 picks all be forwards who all made impacts to teams thus all being Allstars

2020 great possibility but too early
2019 too early but bet 2020 before 2019
2018/ 2017 Dmen mess this up
2015 only if strome and marner flip spots
2014 damn Ekblad
2013 Drouin
2012 LOL
2011 all 3 are good compliments to stars
2010 Close but not quite
2009 hedman
2008 doughty
2007 JVR
2006 Johnson
2005 Johnson if Crosby was 1 year older but 86 no 87
2004 barker ruins Russians
2003 wait a goalie
2002 another goalie
2001 svitov who
2000 goalie again
1999 2012 anyone
1998 nothing past 1
1997 Thornton Marleau jokinen closest we got
1996 philips
1995 Bernard/ Reddon
1994. Jovo
1993 as much as 2012 and 1999 is
1992 hamrlik
1991 even if Fallon was good scotty27 ruins it for 88
1990 2011 all over again So not quite
1989 2 was pretty bad and 3 was a tough dude sorry mats
1988 damn leschyshyn
1987 3-4-5 all Dmen
1986 is Neil related to Tom Brady
1985 wolanin . Clark makes this a yes
1984 Kirk and eddyO hold Mario back
1983 1-2 no 3-4 yes if 87s turgeron and stevieY went 2
1982 kluzak (Bourques Spartanettes for years)
1981 1 and 4 yes 2-3 great checkers
1980 checker defence offence

My brain hurts
1997 is close
2019/ 20 still have chance
2011/ 1991 all compliments to all 6
2016 Dubois might hold 1-2 back but I like name regardless.


5.) 19 Oct 2020 01:36:32
Now could you imagine them all landing on the same team lol. A line of thorton marleau and jokinen in their prime would be scary.


6.) 20 Oct 2020 14:53:10
Where to start.

Dubois is 22 and on the way up. Tavares is 30, overpaid at 11M for another FIVE years, and you think this is a realistic NHL trade?

Leaf fans, your trade proposals never cease to amaze me.


 

 

 

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25 Oct 2020 23:37:02
Extend dell in january and send him in the deal?

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23 Oct 2020 18:34:18
Johnson throws the body a bit but still has a scoring touch. How do the jets turn down that offer. A 1st a relatively equal player and an a- prospect.

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23 Oct 2020 16:27:44
I think I throw more hits in my non contact league then that.

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23 Oct 2020 15:44:16
Everyone is trading him because they feel one of the 4 has to be moved.

Marner- atleast 2.5 million over paid ergo leafs won't get full value on marner.

Tavares- nmc

Matthews- the prize for Matthew's would have to be so overwhelming that no team will meet the asking price, we are talking top tier defenseman and a centre just under his value, so we are talking a hedman and point type deal. Other possibilities would be like mcdavid and the leafs add, draisatl nurse and 2 firsts. So no team will meet the leafs requests.

Nylander- affordable contract, puts up good points, should get above fair value.

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23 Oct 2020 14:48:46
Hey isn't laine on the block? he's probably ass.

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