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15 Jan 2020 22:34:45
NJ trades Subban and Coleman

Tor trades Kapanen, Bracco, Ceci, and choice of young marlies D (not Sandin or Liligren)

If NJ retain 3 million for next three years this trade could be what leafs need. A 6 mil d-man in Subban to play with Sandin or Dermott next year.

LilyLeafs

1.) 15 Jan 2020 23:18:09
Don't want him. Subban is a has been.


2.) 16 Jan 2020 00:27:53
You’re going to find a lot of resistance to this trade. Especially considering what Jersey paid for Subban, to give up so much when he’s having the worst year of his career seems like a real overpay on a big low opportunity. I still like Subban. He’s on a bad team, and it’s compounded by his own difficulties. He’s struggling hard. It’s a high risk/ high reward trade, and I’m not convinced Leafs should take the risk until we know what we have in Sandin and Liljegren first.


3.) 16 Jan 2020 00:37:39
Can Leafs afford this deal? Even if Jersey retains half? It’s still questionable. Coleman will probably end up in Tampa. They have $1.8M in cap space, which is equal to $8.62M at deadline. Look for them to be big buyers this year as they make still yet another push to win it all.


4.) 16 Jan 2020 05:25:52
No thanks, I rather have Kapanen and either Lili or Sandin then Subban and Coleman.


5.) 16 Jan 2020 05:30:46
Kane, Dillon and Dell

For

Nylander, Ceci, Johnsson and 2nd.


6.) 16 Jan 2020 08:02:56
Guys, I know you don't like me or value my opinion. But please hear me out. The last thing your team needs is PK suban. You don't need his salary, bad attitude, and declining play. He is not very good defensively. As much sheet as I give you I like your team and feel you are just a few pieces away. Subban is absolutely not the player you guys need.


 

 

01 Dec 2019 16:38:44
Ottawa trades Craig Anderson

Toronto trades Marincin and Bracco

Reasoning: Leafs solidify back up/injury to Freddie also allowing Freddie to play less. Ottawa gets another d-man that knows JD Smith system, and a prospect who won't make the Leafs.

LilyLeafs

1.) 01 Dec 2019 17:56:04
Bracco will make the leafs.


2.) 01 Dec 2019 21:42:22
I’m starting to think Bracco won’t make the Leafs either. Timashov and Moore already made the team before him. On the other hand, I think if we trade him, it will be part of a larger package to bring in a top 4 RHD or another deadline acquisition of some sort. He isn’t worth much on his own.

Not sure how I feel about Anderson. Can we afford him with this deal? I didn’t check salaries. I suppose we can use Marner’s LTIR until he comes back. Gives us an idea of whether he fits or not.


3.) 01 Dec 2019 22:20:42
Much like ryan miller, anderson has a 35+ contract which means he can't go anywhere without his permission. if anderson says yes then once he is not injured would be an amazing upgrade on the goalie backup situation.

Bracco will become someone leaf fans will miss once he is gone. if brown can succeed in ottawa than i think bracco can as well. very simular players offencively. bracco just needs to learn the 2 way game more and he is working hard at it. very much like brown had to when he was 21 on the marlies. brown just learned it quicker.


4.) 02 Dec 2019 05:02:00
I don't think Bracco makes the leafs. He is a liability defensively even more than guys like Nylander.

Brown and Bracco are different in style as well. Brown can be an energy guy and play physically when need be. Rather have brown back than Bracco.


5.) 02 Dec 2019 16:16:51
I would much rather have Brown back than Bracco too. Brown is doing pretty good in ottawa. I’m pretty sure they are happy with that trade, despite the fact Zaitsev is going back to Russia.


6.) 02 Dec 2019 16:17:33
I wonder if Zaitsev would be going back to Russia if he was still a member of the Leafs?


7.) 02 Dec 2019 21:58:17
Simply put, I think Bracco can make the nhl, just not on the leafs, he is a little younger than the 3 rw ahead of him but won’t replace any of them (nylander, marner, kapanen) so unless he moves to center or lw he is a wasted asset.


 

 

24 Feb 2019 13:20:08
Three way deal with Dallas and Carolina
Leafs: Hamilton
Dallas: Gardiner
Carolina: Braco, Nichushkin

LilyLeafs

1.) 24 Feb 2019 18:59:05
Carolina will want more then what your offering for Hamilton. Remember they traded Hanafin and Lindholm for him.


 

 

23 Feb 2019 21:51:46
Trade Gardiner and either Kapanen or Brown to Carolina for Hamilton. If it's Kapanen Carolina adds a piece, if it's Brown Leafs may have to add piece.

LilyLeafs

1.) 23 Feb 2019 22:49:26
Gardiner should be traded. simply because he is ufa. ufa's are getting a premium from other teams. no reason why they shouldn't be exploring the option. getting assets for a ufa is good management.

They should explore a trade with Minnesota. I can see Gardiner signing an extension there since being from there. thus, the return of the trade will be much greater and possibly recoup a 1st round pick.


2.) 24 Feb 2019 00:36:33
Adding Hamilton would give us four top 50 defensemen in total. Hamilton is a good player. Heck, you can even say he is a great player. But to be honest, I’d rather have Pesce than Hamilton. Mainly because of the difference in contracts. But also because Pesce likes to hit more and can play actual defense. Kapanen for Pesce straight up, maybe slightly tweaked with a prospect, is the rumour I read most (including on this site), and is the one that makes most sense to me as well. Carolina has absolutely zero use for Gardiner.


3.) 24 Feb 2019 01:25:54
Gardiner won't get the leafs much. if he played for another team and was dealt before he became an ufa much like this year that team would get a 1st and high end prospect. due to him being a leaf theyd only get a 3rd rounder for him.

Just like the coyle deal. bruins get him for a guy who hasn't even got 10 goals in a season. leafs would of had to deal brown and bracco for him. Its the way things are. Leafs get ripped off in every deal because teams are jealous of them so why help them. its that simple and crappy.


 

 

21 Dec 2018 16:54:47
Toronto trades Holl, Marlie forward, 3rd round pick

NJ trades Sami Vatanen

Reasoning: an improvement over Hainsey for top pair. Hainsey can move to third pairing or replace for injury. Let Gardiner go in off season and promote Dermott and Rosen.

LilyLeafs

1.) 21 Dec 2018 17:10:06
Vatanen is one ugly ****er who skates good but is not good for us and his contract is not great either.


2.) 21 Dec 2018 23:39:20
Vatanen would definitely be an improvement, but I have to agree with Willy, his contract isn’t that great for us unless Zaitsev goes.

Also New Jersey gave up Henrique for Vatanen so I think they say no in this deal.


3.) 22 Dec 2018 10:21:47
Vatanen would be a nice addition. But I imagine he would cost too much to acquire. Lost in all the commotion over the Hall-Larsson trade is the subsequent acquisition of Vatanen by NJ, costing them Henrique, a sizeable payment indeed. I’m not sure the package you have on hand here is enough for them to make this trade. They may be looking to recoup what they put in still.


 

 

 

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12 Jan 2019 23:25:33
Why do fans continue to worry about Marleau's contract? He will simply be traded by Toronto to a team that needs a big cap number but doesn't want to spend actual dollars, get bought out and then re-sign with the Leafs for cheap. The Leafs send a prospect along with Marleau to make it worth the other teams while. This is what Washington did for Brooks Orpik.

LilyLeafs

1.) 13 Jan 2019 00:04:23
Sure. If Marleau and the other team agree to that, we can’t go wrong. Marleau might not agree to risk a trade though. Why would he even chance ruining a stellar reputation like his?


2.) 13 Jan 2019 21:16:35
The problem with marleaus contract is that he won’t go to any team I think the only team he would go to is the sharks he’s probably done after next year you can see he’s not the same player as last year.


3.) 14 Jan 2019 01:37:47
If Marleau hits 20 goals and 40 points, that’s pretty decent numbers still. Those targets ar getting further and further away from reality with each passing game though.

Hate to see Marleau go. He was one of the best. I’m sure he will be in HOF.


 

 

06 Jan 2019 20:03:51
To deal with the Marleau salary problem for next year I believe Dubas et. al. will use the same technique Washington did with Brooks Orpik. Trade Marleau to a team (ex. Canucks) with a prospect or pick. They buy him out of his salary making him a free agent. The Leafs then can sign Marleau to a cheap 1M salary for a year.
Leafs get Marleau at a cheap rate(saving 5.25M), Marleau gets more money than he would have, NHL can't stop it without opening up CBA.
The Leafs just find a team that is willing to take on the cap hit for 1 year.

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17 Jan 2020 09:36:32
I would try to add Kapanen and get Coleman. But like the idea of bringing in a veteran NHL defenseman. The contract is easy to handle sine both Sandin and Liligren are on ELC.

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11 Jan 2020 11:54:12
Possibly to expose him if he gets enough games in.

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28 Dec 2019 12:55:55
I could see a deal with Ceci, Kapanen, Bracco, and a young D prospect (not Sandin or Liljegren) in exchange for Dumba and Hartman. My thinking is even if Minn thinks Dumba can turn it around they have to much defense to protect in the expansion draft. That and they have a lot of money tied up in D without Dumba contract. They could let Ceci walk in off-season or resign for cheaper. Hartman brings some grit to the bottom six.

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25 Dec 2019 10:00:59
Was just thinking the same thing. Do you try and make the deal bigger and add in Ryan Hartman?

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02 Dec 2019 21:58:17
Simply put, I think Bracco can make the nhl, just not on the leafs, he is a little younger than the 3 rw ahead of him but won’t replace any of them (nylander, marner, kapanen) so unless he moves to center or lw he is a wasted asset.

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