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20 Feb 2019 16:45:17
Tor: Borgman
Edm: Petrovic

Tor: hainsey 4th maybe ahler like marchment
Nyr: McQuaid

Tor: Brown 2nd
Phi: simmonds

So idk if you guys listen to the Steve dangle podcast but the made a good point about how Babcock loves to go with what he's comfortable with instead of trying new things which leads to players like hainsey playing as your top rhd when he's not that player so how you break that habit you trade him these moves adress the physical needs of the leafs.

Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares marner
Simmonds kadri Kapanan
Moore Gauthier Lindholm

Reilly dermott
Muzzin Mcquaid
Gardiner Petrovic
Zaitzev

Leafs1994

1.) 20 Feb 2019 17:39:16
We can't afford Petrovic this year or next year, so the first trade is a no.

I would take Hainsey over Mcquaid.

Philly would want more.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 18:24:03
For the cap situation it’s easy you can move anyone of our fourth liners to make it work and we don’t have to worry about next year he’s a ufa as for Mcquaid for hainsey makes more sense to me to have a guy like McQuaid over hainsey yes hainsey logs you lots of minutes but he’s too soft and too slow he’s actually a bottom pairing guy time to move on as for the simmonds trade I posted the same trade and added Bracco and everyone said it was too much lol that would be the player I add or tymashov all these trade are doable I get you want talent but we don’t need no more talent we need meat and potatoe guys the leafs get slapped around by teams like Boston.


 

 

20 Feb 2019 12:14:16
Tor: brown Bracco 3rd or 4th
Phi: simmonds

Tor: gardiner 4th 2020
Nyr: Mcquaid

So the leafs add depth and grit and don't give up a lot gardiner is gone anyways the rangers would likely flip him and simmonds comes and try's to come win a cup before going back to philly these deals free up a bit of cap space this offseason

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1.) 20 Feb 2019 12:41:57
Although I don't see the Leafs moving Gardiner unless he's packaged in something big. You have sorely misjudged his value. The Rangers would be sending McQuaide ++ to get Gardiner.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 13:15:39
The trade is not to get value back it more about dumping his salary.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 14:05:29
Dumping who's salary? Gardiner is a UFA. That is not who needs to get dumped.


4.) 20 Feb 2019 14:14:38
Yes I know that but it’s will be next to impossible to move Zaitzev and I mean There both terrible.


5.) 20 Feb 2019 14:30:35
What I'm saying is if you want to move Gardiner, the return will be far greater than what was proposed.


6.) 20 Feb 2019 15:01:25
What do you think gardiner is worth? Me personally I think he’s work a second and a medium level prospect but you won’t get that return from the ranger I think Mcquaid and a ahl player would be fine unless you can get more elsewhere.


7.) 20 Feb 2019 16:14:24
I think Gardiner is worth at least a 1st+ myself. He’s a top 50 defenseman.

I like the Simmonds deal because you are giving Brown a chance on another team that I really feel he deserves. I don’t know how I feel about sending Bracco along with him though. I kinda figured Bracco would be Brown’s replacement next year. Maybe Philly would take an alternative prospect like Timashov or Marchment?


 

 

19 Feb 2019 15:32:27
Tor: gardiner Johnsson
Car: Hamilton

Tor: Lillegren 2nd
Ott: Dzingel

Dzingel Matthews kapanen
Hyman Tavares marner
Marleau Kadri Nylander
Moore Gauthier brown

Reilly Hamilton
Muzzin dermott
Hainsey Zaitsev

Ok so here's what I'm thinking the first trade we deal gardiner and Johnsson yes they both need contracts but I think it works for both teams for gardiner he shores up their left side Johnsson gives them a young winger that can add scoring I mean even if Carolina doesn't resign gardiner that clears enough cap for them to resign ferland and Johnsson as for the leafs they get the top rhd they need yes'm he isn't putting up the numbers as he usually does but he has 17 goals last year and 10 goal seasons other years also I'd play dermott with Muzzin he's played the right side before this year I think he and Muzzin would be a great pairing for Dzingel he replaces Johnsson he's played really well this year and I think the leafs can resign him I think the leafs will move either kadri or Zaitsev this summer to free up cap
Space

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1.) 19 Feb 2019 16:22:36
I don't think the leafs will trade Liljgren, I know I gave an example before but I was just trying to sow you what was even in my eyes. Dubas has said multiple times that he doesn't want to trade Liljgren or Sandin so I highly doubt he does.

The first trade is also unlikely because the Leafs won't be able to afford Hamilton next year.


2.) 19 Feb 2019 16:39:21
Dubas never said he didn’t want to trade Lilejgren he said he didn’t want to trade him for a rental tsn said that dubas tried to trade Lillegren and keep Grundstrom in the Muzzin trade also the leafs would make room like I said there’s a good chance I can see one of Zaitsev or kadri being moved.


3.) 19 Feb 2019 21:31:43
I think they will look to move Zaitsev or Kadri in the offseason. Obviously, the return for Kadri would be great!


4.) 20 Feb 2019 08:54:37
Leafs1994,

No matter what was or wasn't said on tv, glad trade worked out the way it did. I will take my chances with Liljegren over Durzi.


5.) 20 Feb 2019 04:33:52
Actually Dubas has said repeatedly he isn’t moving Liljegren or Sandin. Lol. But that’s ok. He’s also said he doesn’t want a pure rental (ala Dzingel) .

I’m not disinclined to trading Liljegren myself, as long as we have a long term incoming substitute, which Hamilton doesn’t quite cut it for me. Pesce, sure. Hamilton, not so much. Speaking of Hamilton, I don’t think Carolina takes Gardiner back in return for him. They probably don’t have time to flip him now, and he doesn’t figure into their long term plans.


 

 

19 Feb 2019 04:42:35
Another trade option for the leafs

Tor: Lilejgren or Bracco with a 2nd 2020
Ott: Dzingel

Then

Tor: Johnsson Subban
Car: Pesce

So here's what I'm thinking the sens are looking for young players and picks honestly I'm not sold or Liljegren so I'd be ok with moving him if it Bracco I'm ok there too he's a small winger not really what we need we already have guys like marner Nylander but with this trade if we could do it opens up a Johnsson trade for that top 4 rhd Dzingel has more upside in my opinion only difference is Dzingel is a ufa Johnsson is a rfa but I think Dzingel is affordable

Leafs1994

1.) 19 Feb 2019 13:54:37
I feel like that’s a bit much for Dzingle. Liljgren straight up (maybe conditional picks from both teams) or Bracco and a 2nd would be enough

The Carolina trade seems fair, maybe the leafs add another late pick.


2.) 19 Feb 2019 14:53:49
Liljegren is not good enough to get Dzingel straight up.


3.) 19 Feb 2019 15:39:54
Ya he kind if is, especially if he turns into the top 4D a lot of people saying he will be. He is still in his teens man, he cold have a breakout season next year you never know.

Also I did say conditional picks may be added, and remember Dzingle is a pending UFA. Ottawa is likely going to want a first or a good prospect along with a pick for him. Liljgren is 100% that prospect.

To Ottawa:
Liljgren, conditional 2020 2nd (1st if Dzingle re-signs)
To Leafs:
Dzingle, conditional 2020 3rd (Awarded if Dzingle doesn't re-sign)


4.) 19 Feb 2019 15:59:31
Yea but if I’m the sens Or any other franchise I don’t see it that way if you look at his numbers they don’t reflect what a top 4 d should be I mean he hasn’t played in quite some time and seems to Be injury prone I think Sandin is by far better and if the leafs can upgrade their team then I would.


5.) 20 Feb 2019 08:57:54
Leafs1994,

Ask yourself does Jordan Subban have ANY trade value even as a throw in?


 

 

19 Feb 2019 04:42:05
So just seen that the leafs have asked about Mcquaid so I wanna know for you guys which trade makes more sense

Tor: brown
Nyr: McQuaid

Or

Tor: Johnsson
Car: Pesce

Do the leafs go with the cheap physical rental player or do they pay a bit more and land a long term piece I'm undecided with this one I think if you move Johnsson you need to replace him with a player that can play that third line role

Leafs1994

1.) 19 Feb 2019 15:41:10
How about Zaitsev for Mcquaid to dump cap while adding depth, and then including Brown in a trade for Demelo or Gudas, or another right handed shut down d.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 08:50:55
Think of pesce as a top 4. Johnson by himself doesn't get him. Need to add big.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 08:55:26
Not giving up Brown for UFA. Has value for trades going forward with players with term.


 

 

 

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20 Feb 2019 20:39:13
To get Pesce how about this trade

Johnsson brown
Pesce

The money works and the canes get two fast forwards only problem is who do you replace them with now.

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20 Feb 2019 20:28:37
Fair enough but how do you afford this trade honestly I can’t see the leafs getting that top 4 d because we have to ship out a contract worth atleast 3 mil which not many guys have that low of a cap hit.

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20 Feb 2019 18:24:03
For the cap situation it’s easy you can move anyone of our fourth liners to make it work and we don’t have to worry about next year he’s a ufa as for Mcquaid for hainsey makes more sense to me to have a guy like McQuaid over hainsey yes hainsey logs you lots of minutes but he’s too soft and too slow he’s actually a bottom pairing guy time to move on as for the simmonds trade I posted the same trade and added Bracco and everyone said it was too much lol that would be the player I add or tymashov all these trade are doable I get you want talent but we don’t need no more talent we need meat and potatoe guys the leafs get slapped around by teams like Boston.

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20 Feb 2019 16:52:53
I like the first trade maybe add a 2nd to it and drop Jensen and Holl then in the second trade just pick up McQuaid for cheap.

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20 Feb 2019 16:49:56
The canes have lost of cap space but they have aho to resign and I’m sure they would love to resign ferland so I find it hard to believe they would take gardiner and Zaitzev contracts.

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