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03 Apr 2020 12:58:36
Tor: marner Engvall
Min: Dumba greenway 1st 2020

So here's what I've been thinking about at some point the leafs will have to move one of these big contracts and the fact is I don't think at the price point there's not really a market for him and Matthews is the face of the franchise and should be kept as long as possible. But what I was thinking about most is look at these three teams

Boston Tampa Colorado

What these team have in common is that they all moved big named player from their club and they were able to balance their rosters and build true contenders the players are Seguin Drouin and Duchene I think the leafs need to go this route as well. What's everyone's opinion on this

Leafs1994

1.) 03 Apr 2020 16:53:05
If we go back a few years Boston has traded away a few talents in order to spread the wealth. What Boston also has that we do not though, is the culture of everyone taking a pay cut for a better team. McAvoy said publicly at one point that Bergeron and pastrnak both told him everyone takes less and they always compete. Compare what Boston one line does to Toronto it seems even. Then you compare what Marchand, Bergeron and Pastrnak make to Mathews, Marner, Tavares and it seems extremely lopaided.


2.) 03 Apr 2020 17:50:19
For sure but one way that may change that (probably not) is to maybe make a trade like this and show these guys coming up that you maybe a talented player but we can still trade you.


3.) 03 Apr 2020 18:12:29
I agree. Trading Nylander would have made a line in the Sand. Everyone knows I am a big fan of Nylander but I would rather have traded Nylander and had Marner at 7 or 8 where he should be.


4.) 03 Apr 2020 19:31:52
You know what, you're absolutely right. And not just these teams either. Chicago traded away a few guys like Byfuglien and Saad over the years and were able to keep winning. Edmonton traded away Gretzky and won the cup again still. It is what it is. Most players do get traded. And even though Dubas promised Nylander he wouldn't get traded, he never made the same promise to Marner or Matthews. The more I think about it, the more I think one of them will go. We can't possibly afford to keep the team together now that the cap might barely go up the next two years. Do we lose Andersen and Reilly both or one of our high priced forwards?


5.) 03 Apr 2020 21:17:33
ok. so to start I like the return from the Wild. and I agree that Marner should be the one to go as he is making the bigger cap hit and he and Nylander are similar style players. problem is I don't think the Wild go for this based on what the media told us about them wanting a centre…. and I think Nylander would be the guy they would prefer. both from a position standpoint and cap price. Dubas made 2 big mistakes that could have avoided this issue. not signing Tavares is the 1st one. and like LeafsLife said. had he strong armed Nylander by either trading him or having him hold out. the others might have fell in line with lower caps (Mathews and Marner)


6.) 03 Apr 2020 21:25:38
Or do we guy the depth?

I bet Dubas guts the depth.


7.) 03 Apr 2020 22:30:49
I'm willing to bet he guys the bottom 6 as well. Could be Kappy, Johnson and Kerfoot gone soon.

They wanted a 1C for Brodin or Dumba. Clearly not one else agreed so they make take less.


8.) 04 Apr 2020 00:38:26
Even if he guts the depth though, he has to bring in replacements. So how much does he really save by trading a few guys making $3M each and bringing in guys at league minimum? If he trades the whole trio of Johnsson, Kapanen, Kerfoot and replaces them with guys earning league minimum, that's only about $6.5M saved. That's only about enough to cover Reilly and Andersen's raise. He still has to deal with the other guys coming off their elc the following year (Sandin, Liljegren), plus Hyman's new deal. Is the cap going to go up enough to cover their raises after?


9.) 04 Apr 2020 04:08:54
As the cap goes up Sandin and Liljigren will want more as well. Dubas kind of backed himself into a corner here. It's either Marner or Nylander+ Kapanen and replace them with league min guys.


 

 

02 Apr 2020 19:22:18
Tor: Johnsson
Ana: comtois

I really like this kid idk what he value is but he's a winger center that plays a gritty game and has some offensive upside has yet to play at the level he did in junior but for sure could see him as a solid third liner

Leafs1994

1.) 02 Apr 2020 22:30:07
If Anaheim will go for this then I think it's a great way to save some money on a younger guy with a similar offensive output to Johnsson.


2.) 03 Apr 2020 01:06:01
Think Anaheim would be willing to take on an older player like Johnsson though? I'm not too sure what their strategy is right now. I don't even think they know. But if they are going full on rebuild, chances are Johnsson is a little outside their age range. Comtois is only 4.5 years younger than Johnsson, but in hockey, that's a pretty big difference. In five years He Hansson will be 30 and past his prime. Comtois will be in the middle of his.

If Ducks are just retooling and want to get back in the playoff hunt right away, I can see them making this deal.


3.) 03 Apr 2020 02:14:30
I prefer comtois to Johnson any time. Only issue I see is Johnson value is so low right now. Especially to a rebuilding team because he isn't a young cat anymore.


 

 

02 Apr 2020 13:06:40
Tor: Andersen
Chi: Murphy 2nd 2021

Tor: Johnsson 2nd 2021 tor Woll
Pits: Murray

So another deal where we move out a guy like Freddy who we can't afford to resign for one and for two probably don't want to resign bring in a younger goalie who is proven won two cups and add a rhd

Leafs1994

1.) 02 Apr 2020 22:31:29
I would just sign Robin Lehner then you could use Johnsson as a trade chip for something else.


2.) 02 Apr 2020 23:25:02
Yea for sure we could but my goal here was to get a long term goalie.


3.) 03 Apr 2020 01:12:12
That's a good idea too MostLeaf. Only problem is that Lehner wants a big raise too. He has made it clear that he will be going to the highest bidder this year. He will not take another short term low paying deal. He has nothing left to prove. I can't blame him, can you? Lehner is going to cost at least as much as Andersen. So may as well just keep Andersen then. I think Leafs1994 strategy is to find a guy that is cheaper and younger. Lehner doesn't really match either qualification.

I like this strategy Leafs1994. And Chicago is definitely a team that can use a good starting goalie. You nailed it there. I can see both these deals happening. I think the value is fair, and team needs are all met. It almost makes too much sense. In fact, it makes so much sense that we probably won't ever see something like this happen.


4.) 03 Apr 2020 02:15:22
Signing a UFA is the best way to guarentee you overpay on contracts. I would prefer a trade but if lehner was signed to a decent deal that's a plan too.


5.) 03 Apr 2020 19:43:16
We would have to make the Pittsburgh deal first.

I'm not sure we would get a roster player for Andersen either since he's on his last year. But we would probably get a pick. And we would have to take a cap dump back because Chicago is tight against the cap. So maybe something like Saad + 3rd is more realistic. But the idea is still a good one. It's a smart strategy.


 

 

01 Apr 2020 16:00:40
Tor: Andersen
Col: zadorov 2nd 2020

Tor: 2nd avs Engvall
Pit: Murray

Tor: Johnsson Dermott
Buf: risto

So we know we can afford Andersen so is now time to move him zadorov is a great option now after we do that we need a replacement income Murray rfa I was thinking 6x6 is fair proven winner had a rough year but still only 25 last one is two player that to me have become expendable our d becomes a lot bigger harder to play against and we get a long term option in net

Reilly risto
Muzzin zadorov
Sandin Holl

Murray
Campbell

Leafs1994

1.) 01 Apr 2020 18:03:31
I like the idea of replacing Andersen with Murray. And Avs definitely have the cap space to re-sign Freddie, but does Colorado need a goalie though? That Francouz kid was looking good last year.

Lol. Not sure if our d gets harder to play against. A lot bigger, yes. Harder to play against, I'm not so sure. Ristolaonen can't even skate. Last I saw he was falling down on the ice with the nearest skater like 40 feet away from him. Lol. I guess his lack of defense wouldn't be an issue on the Leafs though. Seems like the whole team is focused on offense without even thinking about defense.


2.) 02 Apr 2020 12:04:53
First off with the goalies I think if we traded Freddy it’s going to be a western conference team that’s a contender yes the avs have that young guy but maybe I guess do they think the kid can carry theM to a cup as for the defence yea I seen the risto clip where he took himself out but what I was getting by harder to play against is battles in front of the net the physicality those player bring are what the leafs need.


3.) 02 Apr 2020 17:42:28
The Clio I saw was labelled "Ristolainen taken out by The Invisible Man". Oh man, I thought that was funny. He's an infinitely better skater than me though, so I shouldn't laugh too hard.


 

 

28 Mar 2020 13:17:21
Tor: Reilly
Van: virtanen woo 1st 2021 conditional 2nd 2022 conditions are if van makes it to the conference final the 2nd becomes a 1st

So I commented on another post that I have a theory that after next year the leafs will trade Reilly just seems like he is slowly being pushed out the door this trade is comparable to the Karlsson deal and what Ottawa got now this trade hinges on a lot of things for one it depends on how Sandin and Dermott develop and if they can get a good rhd

Leafs1994

1.) 28 Mar 2020 20:34:18
To be honest, it seems like an underpay considering Karlsson was a free agent. Reilly still has another two years after this one. So a full year extra. And I think Ottawa got seven players/ picks. Not sure how I feel about this one. Neither Virtanen or Woo are standout players and those picks aren't going to be top 10 picks unless Vancouver takes a major step back. I would rather just keep Reilly until deadline his final year and if we don't have him re-signed by then we can trade him to a team in the West for a return that would still include a 1st+prospect+throw-in, which isn't far from what you have here. Except we get to use him for at least all next year including playoffs.

I will hate the day Reilly leaves. I hope they find a way to make it work.


2.) 29 Mar 2020 02:45:19
I think this deal would be in Reilly’s final year unless the leafs find a way to shed salary idk how they can resign him.


3.) 30 Mar 2020 17:14:47
I see where you slipped that in now. After next year. Lol. When you read as many props a day as we do, it is easy to miss a small but important point like that. If this was a deadline deal it would be a lot closer. But if it was even a summer deal for his final year I would expect a bit more still. Maybe I'm being greedy though. I think Reilly is a top 10 defenseman in the league. He is worth more than Karlsson was when Karlsson got traded. Again, just my opinion. I wouldn't be happy with a return j less I felt it was at least as good as Karlsson got for Ottawa. I was never a big Karlsson fan, and when he got traded I already felt Reilly was better than him. Now I'm sure of it.


 

 

 

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04 Apr 2020 22:09:01
Right LeafsGM I think if the league give out a compliance buyout and they rid themselves of bobs contract this is a very real trade but in their own division it would be hard to say they would do it.

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03 Apr 2020 17:50:19
For sure but one way that may change that (probably not) is to maybe make a trade like this and show these guys coming up that you maybe a talented player but we can still trade you.

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03 Apr 2020 12:21:19
The first deal you’re not even really close but I think if you add a kapanen to that and a better prospect than Bracco you may peak there interest.

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02 Apr 2020 23:25:02
Yea for sure we could but my goal here was to get a long term goalie.

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02 Apr 2020 15:27:01
Idk if anyone has watched the video with button and how he said where the leafs went wrong was signing Tavares he says it made no sense they had kadri at 2c coming off back to back 30+ goal years not to mention offence was not an issue which eventually led to the departure of kadri and even brown who was a horse and one of our best pk guys also button went on to say that if played a big part in both marner and Matthews contract I think a big piece needs to be moved to try and balance things out I can see the leafs going backwards next year.

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