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06 Sep 2019 19:02:06
Tor: Kapanen Bracco
Car: bean

Do I think this trade would get you bean maybe idk but with the canes picking up Gardiner you got to think a trade maybe be coming for them I would make a Marner trade but the value is not there Toronto would need a top 6 forward plus a bean and I don't think the canes would do that

Leafs1994

1.) 06 Sep 2019 19:26:33
I think dealing with carolina is wise. The deal you suggest i'm a bit iffy about. I don't think it would take kapanen plus to get bean . that's up for debate probably.

My thinking is go after fleury without dealing Bracco. Now with gardiner and fosling additions it seems fleury has to fight just to get on the ice. Why not try to pick him up and let him play fulltime on the bottom pair until dermott gets back.

Kapanen for fleury and matheos.

thats my suggestion anyways. if leafs could get bean and he stays injury free then go for it but fleury might be the safer way to go.

Thoughts.


2.) 06 Sep 2019 19:48:38
I think you could probably get bean for Kapanen alone. It's a risky prop though for sure and I think we will all vary wildly on the value of this.


3.) 06 Sep 2019 19:29:39
I wouldn’t trade either of those two guys, separately for jake bean. You are right to be focusing on Carolina. Somethings got to give there.


4.) 06 Sep 2019 21:11:32
@bettsy you wouldn't trade Bracco for bean? That seems like a deal to me. Both may breakout but are unknown as of yet and both teams are stacked at that position.


5.) 06 Sep 2019 22:23:12
Bean is absolutely not worth a player like Kapanen. The value of defensemen is getting ridiculous on this site.


6.) 06 Sep 2019 23:34:15
Bean is a great player had 44 points +17 in his first full year those are some great numbers Dermott could possibly play the right side with bean sliding in the bottom pair

Next year maybe the left side

Reilly
Bean
Sandin

The leafs maybe be able to trade Bracco straight up for him as the canes need forwards and the leafs need quality d.


7.) 06 Sep 2019 23:40:48
Yes, I agree LeafsGM~ equilibrieum is needed.
Go Leafs!


8.) 07 Sep 2019 01:01:28
Leafs1994.Bean appears to be solid but those numbers were AHL numbers. TJ Brennan had better numbers consistantly for years in the AHL and it never worked out for him at the NHL level. I do think Bean will be good but definetly not worth kapanen yet so adding bracco is overkill.

Carolina is a team to deal with since they have 8 capable dmen.


9.) 07 Sep 2019 02:43:21
Again I agree with what you’s are saying I just think bean is a highly rated prospect honestly I don’t think he’s far behind the likes of guys like Makar I just think Carolina is such a strong team on the blue line there hasn’t been room for bean to come up.


10.) 07 Sep 2019 11:56:43
If I was Fleury I would be asking for a trade at this point anyway.


11.) 07 Sep 2019 13:18:05
I’ve given up on trying to figure out Waddell’s fascination with defensemen. His strategy is not like anything I’ve ever seen, picking up and dumping defensemen like they were commodities. I mean is Gardiner really all that much better than DeHaan that Waddell basically have DeHaan away. And all the while, he’s ruining all his own pic’s development. Hanifin, Fleury, Bean, Pesce. It must be frustrating to constantly have to fight for your job against outsiders. If they gave their own players a shot first, they would succeed. But now these guys are all going to have limited minutes again next year, or play in the minors. They risk losing those guys to become ahl’ers and not worth anything in the trade market anymore. Waste of 1st round picks. If he’s going to be bringing in free agents every year, he should be looking at trading his assets in defense for forward help, which is where they really need someone. Not another 2nd tier defenseman that is good, but not good enough.


12.) 07 Sep 2019 13:39:13
Problem with dealing with carolina is they are now 2 million over the cap with the gardiner signing. The differance between carolina and torontos situation is torontos cap includes a couple ltir cap hits so the leafs get releif. Carolina doesn't have this luxery. They are going to need to trade with a team that has the space to make a net gain of 2 million in cap space . toronto does not have this.

As far as Marner, my belief is that he has a deal in place and media is just blowing the situation up more than it really is. He doesn't need to sign yet. In fact leafs can negotiate other stuff until first day of regular season. Marner signs a deal better than anyone thinks and LTIR covers the rest. media makes things up to pay their bills.
The only thing marner not signing does is other teams RFAs don't sign either. The leafs can still manage minus an rfa. can all the other teams?


13.) 07 Sep 2019 19:59:54
I think Carolina got Gardiner for cheap. Leafs probably could have re-signed him if they wanted. I guess they just had enough of him.


14.) 07 Sep 2019 21:17:02
Gardiner, its like he was never a leaf in my mind.


 

 

02 Sep 2019 22:10:05
Tor: marner
Njd: severson bratt 1st 2020

The devils are a team looking to become a serious contender and also trying to give hall a reason to stick around and like J.T. I think hall would be more than happy to play with marner. For the leafs we get our last missing piece on the back end who has 4 years left on his deal at a decent price we also get a good young player no marner but still a solid player and then we also get there first this year this move leave a hole forsure but I'm a firm believer that signing marner to anything less then 6 years is a waste because it will cost the leafs a lot more in the end because we got to pay him more on his next contract so that means we will be losing one or two good players

Leafs1994

1.) 02 Sep 2019 22:32:49
Marner is worth more than that.


2.) 03 Sep 2019 00:07:58
If you aren’t bringing in top line defenseman, there should be an lite top line forward then at least. Severson is like 2nd tier defenseman at best, and Bratt is a third line forward that doesn’t fill the gap. The 1st isn’t going to be 1st overall again, probably not even a lottery pick. It’s not enough bait for the Leafs.


3.) 03 Sep 2019 00:50:34
I get what your saying but at this point I don’t think the leafs are going to get anything out of this world this trade gives the leafs a rhd to play with Reilly gives us another solid young player and a 1st this year which we don’t have not to mention it would leave us with cap space to go out and make a trade if need be but like I said marner will hurt us more than do us any good.


4.) 03 Sep 2019 01:05:08
Marner being traded brings back more than that garbage.


 

 

29 Aug 2019 15:56:14
So this is a combination of my last trade post and leafsgm post

Tor: marner
Det: mantha kaski 1st 2020

Tor: kapanen Liljegren
Mtl: drouin

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Drouin Tavares mantha
Johnsson Kerfoot Moore
Mikheyev Spezza bracco

This trade makes us deeper in my opinion and acquiring a high pick and replacing liljegren

Leafs1994

1.) 29 Aug 2019 18:18:29
So we get these 3 for marner, kappy and Lilly and this somehow makes us a cup contender this year. WOW.


2.) 29 Aug 2019 18:28:58
Makes us deeper imo marner is really the only loss here but he clearly isn’t affordable.


3.) 29 Aug 2019 21:50:36
Can drouin or mantha make tavares a 40-50 goal scorer the way marner did?

This and this alone is why i'd pass.


4.) 29 Aug 2019 22:43:07
I would take the Detroit trade. Probably close to Marner value but I don't like drouin. Not the type of guy the leafs need. Kapp and liljigren could get you Pesce or very close. Let's do that instead.


5.) 30 Aug 2019 01:46:13
Why can’t they. can the leafs pay marner 12 mil a season? As a life long leafs fan I’d take a player that wants to be leaf than a player that only cares about the money.


6.) 30 Aug 2019 03:05:32
If we trade Marner, we would be lucky to get a package like that back. Let’s be honest. We aren’t going to get what he’s worth. It’s like going to the pawn broker. We only got two first round picks for Kessel. I know it’s a huge difference. But is it? Kessel got just as many points and twice the number of goals for Pittsburgh for just over half the price.


7.) 30 Aug 2019 06:47:51
@LeafsGm

Coming to the dark side are you? Lol agreeing Marner value will never come back. I agree completely on that though, Marner is in a really bad spot right now to try and trade. Even at 9/ 2 yrs that will hurt a lot in two years. His value is dropping like a stone by the day because he wants "Mathews money" once the season starts his value will plummet further as the leafs cannot sign him in December because of the inflated hit unless it's a 1 year deal for cheap.


 

 

26 Aug 2019 02:08:05
Sticking with Detroit Toronto trades

Tor: marner johnsson and Petan
Det: mantha Athanasiou 1st Lotto protected

The only risk with this trade is that both mantha and Athanasiou are up for new contracts next year but I like manthas size and skill and Athanasiou is a real speed demon that the leafs could use up and down their lineup either on the wing or at center the potential of getting a top 10 pick is great too

Leafs1994

1.) 26 Aug 2019 20:57:36
Did you mean not lottery protected pick? They can't get a top 10 pick it it's protected.


2.) 26 Aug 2019 21:12:42
Both Mantha and AA are still RFA though, so we still hold an upper edge. If Detroit offers to do this, I think Leafs would consider it. But in the end we probably pass.


3.) 26 Aug 2019 21:30:43
Heavy sigh.


4.) 26 Aug 2019 22:57:46
@leafslife yes that’s what I mean

@leafsgm yes I do think it’s a bit risky dealing for two RFAs but I think both of them combined would equal what marner wants on his new contract so it’s a win.


5.) 26 Aug 2019 23:38:37
It can’t possibly be that risky. If the were UFA it would never even be considered. But as RFA’s, we still get a bit of advantage, same situation as like we are in with Marner currently. If they each get $5.5M, then it’s about the same as Marner. Those guys both look ready for big breakout this season though. AA had thirty goals last year. And if Mantha stays healthy, he’s liable to come close to that number himself. 60 goals to replace Marner’s 20. And I still see Tavares hitting 40ish even without Marner. So this is a solid offer. The first can be protected to any number you want, top 3, top 5. So we can still get a top 10 player.


6.) 27 Aug 2019 02:11:30
I am never a fan of trading quality for quantity. Some cases it works but most the side gaining quality wins. That said, I think it's an ok offer. Might end up being the best you get. I also love seeing Marner in Detroit if he has to go lol.


7.) 27 Aug 2019 12:24:46
@LeafsLife

Unfortunately, if we trade Marner, it would necessarily involve a downgrade. There just aren’t that many players of his caliber on the trade block. Lol. A quantity for quality trade is essentially what we get. So two guys at a tier (or two) lower than Marner, and a possible top 10 pick, sounds pretty reasonable when you look at it like that.


 

 

24 Aug 2019 00:43:10
Tor: marner 2nd
Det: mantha kaski 1st

I think this is even obviously Detroit gets the better player but like Nylander mantha looks like he's going to have a year after the way he played at the worlds leafs add another good rhd prospect and get back into the first round this year which looks like a pretty deep draft bottom line is we can't afford to have a top six guy that plays big minutes sitting out because he thinks he deserves the world mantha will be an easy resign for the leafs next year at a reasonable price

Leafs1994

1.) 24 Aug 2019 13:44:33
I like this proposal because even with marner detroit could be a lottery pick teal. That would be a hoot if that happened. Detroit is also a team to consider dealing with because Steve Yzerman is a huge fan of Marner and is a GM who takes extreme risks for the better good of the team. Guess what? He usually wins those risk and the reward of bringing marner in could reak huge benefits 2-3 years from now. Remember when Tampa drafted Kucherov in second round . that's all yzerman. Yzerman and his scouting staff found guys like point, cirelli in later rounds. Yzerman, when he sees something going weird with a player isn't afraid to pull the trigger i mean he didn't hesitate to get rid of drouin or deangelo for better players but at the time of deal was critisised. He drafted a goalie in round 1 was the analyst thought he was nuts. Look how that turned out (vezina) . Even this year he took a risk and took a player analyst ranked maybe top 35 with the 6th picked. Watch that dude get a norris in a bit. Its crazy everything Yzerman touches turns into gold.

That said if i were the leafs and detroit or more like yzerman asks for marner, if i were dubas i'd ask for more.

Velen, McIsaac, Rasmussen

I know you can't get all 3 but if you take out Kaski i think its plausible you get 2. Yzerman didn't draft any of those 3 guys so he isn't attached to them. Kaski i think was yzermans first signing so that one might be a little tougher. Either way if you're ever going to get a big package from yzerman for marner this is the time to do it before yzerman starts seriously evaluating his young talent

Mantha is a great target, detroit is a great target. well done and good proposal. i'd like this deal. i'd just ask for more duue to the circumstances provided above.

Excellent.


2.) 24 Aug 2019 16:21:04
Gotta love Mantha. Huge power forward that would strengthen our LW. Add to that a highly rated prospect player and a 1st (possible 1st overall), and it’s a helluva good deal. This is the type of trade I could actually see happening. We are necessarily going to have to take a downgrade from Marner if we trade him, with the difference in value being made up through picks/ prospects. Nobody is going to decimate their team for one guy, no matter how good. I like this proposal a lot. It makes sense for both teams, and gives us something for now, and something for later, helping make sure we remain competitive for years.


3.) 25 Aug 2019 10:21:47
Pretty fair value. Adds for both teams and if Marner has to go, I would love to send him there lol. Not sure if Stevie Y gives us an unprotected but if he does I would jump at this trade. Even if it was maybe top 5 protected could see it becoming a top 10. Still worth it.


 

 

 

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12 Sep 2019 22:54:12
Take out athanasiou and green add mantha leafs will need a top 6 forward back and green would be a great bet to have but I don’t see the need for him.

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10 Sep 2019 18:50:32
I don’t see the positive here Kapanen I’d rather keep I think the leafs will play hard ball with Marner makes no sense to over pay a player that has only crack 70+ points I like Marner but it would be foolish to over pay him on a short term deal.

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07 Sep 2019 17:12:20
I still feel like human is almost a guy the leafs can’t trade we talk a lot on this site last year at the deadline that the leafs have no grit so makes no sense to move him also he’s our top pk guy.

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07 Sep 2019 02:43:21
Again I agree with what you’s are saying I just think bean is a highly rated prospect honestly I don’t think he’s far behind the likes of guys like Makar I just think Carolina is such a strong team on the blue line there hasn’t been room for bean to come up.

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06 Sep 2019 23:34:15
Bean is a great player had 44 points +17 in his first full year those are some great numbers Dermott could possibly play the right side with bean sliding in the bottom pair

Next year maybe the left side

Reilly
Bean
Sandin

The leafs maybe be able to trade Bracco straight up for him as the canes need forwards and the leafs need quality d.

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