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19 May 2019 15:35:26
Just a little idea:

Toronto Trades: Patrick Marleau (6.25M x 1 Year) + Connor Brown (2.1M x 1 Year) + Jeremy Bracco (AHL)

Arizona Trades: Conditional 1st Round Pick

Condition: If Marleau is bought out by Arizona, no pick is awarded to Toronto.

In essence, Arizona swallows 6M off of Marleaus salary for a top9 forward in Brown and a PPG guy in the AHL in Bracco. This is similar to Grubauer+Orpik for 2nd+3rd, however, the return with Marleau is less because Toronto doesn’t acquire anything in return. The Conditional 1st is there for one reason: to ensure that Marleau waives his NTC; Arizona won’t want to give up the 1st, so they can buy him out and he can return to Toronto, just like Orpik did.

Toronto does this to save 8M in cap, and we don’t disrupt the locker room as Marleau would return like Oprik on a team friendly 1 year deal. It isn’t considered cap circumvention, its just frowned upon.

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1.) 19 May 2019 19:52:48
If Marleau is bought out, what does Toronto get? We can’t just give them Bracco and Brown.


2.) 19 May 2019 22:10:55
Can't buy out Marleau.


3.) 19 May 2019 22:27:42
I think you can buy him out, but the cap hit remains the same. But it does free up a roster/ contract spot.


 

 

12 May 2019 01:25:40
Maple Leafs Trade:
Connor Brown (RW: 2.1 Million x 1 Year)
2020 4th Round Pick

Blues Trade:
Robby Fabbri (LW: RFA)

Fabbri hasn't had a good season or playoff this year, but has some solid potential. Brown is better right now, and potentially could stay that way, especially with Fabbris injury history, but its a worthwhile gamble for Toronto, especially since they need cap space. St. Louis gets a guy who could potentially replace Blais/ Steen/ Maroon next year as needed.

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1.) 12 May 2019 16:02:40
Dubas isn’t much of a gambler, and Leafs have a policy of avoiding injured players. Why waste assets on a guy that has barely played in 3 years and shows zero signs of ever being a useful full time player? All those injuries, you got to think this kid will never live up to his potential.


2.) 12 May 2019 17:22:50
@LG, yeah, i could understand that. My take here is more for cap space. Fabbri will want no more than 900K as an RFA, and that saves us compared to Brown. It also allows us to potentially move Marleau or even one of Johnsson/ Kapanen if we needed to. The 4th may be extra, but Brown for Fabbri is essentially to get something for Brown, considering his vakue is probably a 3rd or so.


3.) 13 May 2019 01:33:28
I see where you’re coming from. If you think Fabbri still has more potential than a 3rd, or whatever pick Brown is worth, then this trade makes sense. At least Fabbri has nhl experience. And if he ever lives up to his potential, then Leafs could hit a homerun here.

I like Brown too. I feel he’s gotten a bad shake from the Leafs. We should have traded him this year when he still had good value. Instead, we misused him and let him waste away on the 4th line, and now all his value has virtually eroded to the point where we might get at most a 4th for him. Fabbri will be cheaper, no doubt about that. And if he gets hurt again, we LTIR him. So opens up that space for someone else.

It’s a bit of a gamble, but not such a risk that if it doesn’t work out, the team is bent. More like a low risk/ high reward. Low risk because at most we lose is Brown. High reward because Fabbri might stay healthy and put up some big points. Good call TSS.


4.) 13 May 2019 04:10:33
Blues are not trading fabbri for bottom 6.


 

 

20 Feb 2019 21:47:30
If I was Dubas, I'd look at Nick Jensen specifically, and set in sight an extension for him if we were to acquire him [Ballpark of 2-3M over 3-4 Years if possible]

N. Jensen [UFA] to TOR for J. Holl [+1 Year, 675K] + K. Kaskisuo [RFA] + 2019&2020 3rd Round Picks.

Then, for next year:

Morgan Rielly [5M] - Jake Muzzin [4M]
Travis Dermott [2M] - Nick Jensen [2M]/ Nikita Zaitsev [4M]
Calle Rosen [780K] - Andreas Borgman [800K]/ Nick Jensen [2M]

If Zaitsev picks up the pace, he may stay, and we end up with Rosen-Jensen as a bottom pair which, imo, is solid.

That totals to appx. 18 Million w. Zaitsev, and 14 Million w/ o him. If the cap increases to appx. 83 Million, we have 59M to work with [excluding Freddy/ Sparks] if we keep Zaitsev, or 63 if not.

Tavares/ Marner/ Matthews/ Nylander/ Johnsson/ Kapanen/ Hyman/ Kadri will account to appx. 51 Million, dropping us to 8M with Zaitsev and 12M without. 8M is just enough to keep both Brown and Marleau, and account for our last two roster spots with Ennis [again, perhaps] and Trevor Moore, both at minimums. If we drop Zaitsev, then we have 4M to work with additionally.

The only downside - we likely have to pay a team to take Nathan Horton; so, maybe Horton&2nd to ARZ? Works for me tbh.

And if we're too tight - we drop Brown, and bring up Pierre Engvall who has played center for this season with AHL Toronto.

Then, the lineup is a mush of the following:

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Moore - Kadri - Kapanen [Or Marleau/ Kadri/ Kapanen]
Ennis - Marleau - Brown [Or Engvall/ Marleau/ Ennis OR Moore/ Engvall/ Ennis].

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1.) 20 Feb 2019 22:10:02
I like Jensen. And he would be a decent depth guy for this year’s playoffs. I don’t really think he’s needed going forward though. We have a lot of depth guys we can fill that 6th/ 7th position from within.

I like the deal though. As always TSS, you put up another good one. I know I’ve said it before, but I just want to mention again how much I appreciate you including the salaries in your posts. Makes it a lot easier to assess quickly.

Good stuff TSS. I can tell you are a true Leafs fan. And why not? Lol. They got a damn good team and finally a group we can all be proud of and put our hopes on. Of course, if they don’t win soon, the disappointment might be even more magnified.


2.) 20 Feb 2019 23:12:36
I like it and if we can get rid of Zaitsev we should. Jensen puts up more points and is better defensively.


3.) 22 Feb 2019 08:38:29
I'd say one of the worst proposals on this site in long time.

Tell us why you think Holl who has been healthy scratch this year, but two games, has ANY trade value.

Kaskisuo if you been following him has had a horrible year. Wasn't ready for #1 role once other two goalies were picked up on waivers.

Jensen is talked bout quite a bit over last few weeks. Rumor was out couple days ago they want to resign him, if not, they will get nice not great but nice return for him.

Wings won't even take time to laugh at this proposal.


 

 

02 Dec 2018 23:01:40
If we wary from 'big' trades, this is our scenario entering July 1st:

Auston Matthews - 11.5 Million [Extension]
Mitch Marner - 9.0 Million [Extension]
John Tavares - 11.0 Million
William Nylander - 6.9 Million
Nazem Kadri - 4.5 Million
Zach Hyman - 2.25 Million
Kasperi Kapanen - 4.5 Million [Extension: Unlikely he gets 4.5 but worst case scenario]
Andreas Johnsson - 1.0 Million [Extension - Bridge]
Patrick Marleau - 6.75 Million
Par Lindholm - 1.0 Million [Extension

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Morgan Rielly - 5.0 Million
Nikita Zaitsev - 4.25 Million
Travis Dermott - 0.90 Million
Igor Ozhiganov - 1.0 Million [Extension]

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Frederik Andersen - 5.0 Million
Garrett Sparks - 1.0 Million [Extension]

Total: 78 Million
Projected Space: 6 Million [Cap increases to 84 Million]

We would currently need: 1 Forward, 2 Defenceman and 3 Spare Players.

With 8 Million in Cap Space, recall Carl Grundstrom [0.80 Million], Trevor Moore [0.80 Million] Calle Rosen, Timothy Liljegren and Andreas Borgman [0.80 Million x 3 = 2.4 Million Total].

We cut it close, but we make it with nearly 4 Million to spare. Connor Brown is our only casualty, as he is replaced by Trevor Moore. The next year, Patrick Marleau walks, and we receive enough cap space to comfortably resign Travis Dermott and Andreas Johnsson, and possibly bring Brown back.

Lineup:
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Moore - Lindholm - Grundstrom

Rielly - Dermott
Borgman - Zaitsev
Liljegren - Ozhiganov

Andersen
Sparks

The defence is young, but at the end of the day, everyone saying 'TRADE ZAITSEV' is wrong, he's one of only two vets on that blueline, we can't just ship him off for whatever, he's important on the PK as well. The d looks shaky, but is mobile enough to make up for the losses of Hainsey and Gardiner.

So really, we don't need to trade Kadri and Zaitsev and Marner and god knows who else. And we won't be able to get rid of Marleau's contract, especially with his NMC, we'll have to live with it. And this is worst case, with Kappy making 4.5 opposed to possibly 2.75 or so on a bridge.

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1.) 03 Dec 2018 03:35:17
The Leafs will have to fill their gaps with a couple rookies and cheap UFAs.


 

 

20 Nov 2018 21:57:44
Florida MAY be looking at Nylander with Trocheck out, and without taxes down there, he may take a cheaper deal.

Florida Acquires: William Nylander [RW - Extension: 7.000 Million x 8 Years]
Toronto Acquires: Henrik Borgstrom [C - 0.925 Million x 2 Years] + Mark Pysyk [RD - 2.73 Million x 2 Years].

Borgstrom would be the ideal replacement for Trocheck now yes, but he simply won't be able to jump in and replace Trocheck's numbers. Nylander would be able to do that. Florida loses a highly touted prospect, yet, he is in the AHL, so if they 'go for it' this year, the loss won't be as severe.
As for Toronto, we can groom Borgstrom in the AHL - potentially becoming a winger in his early career and moving to centre to potentially replace Kadri in the future, without needing to trade Kadri since we have a replacement. Pysyk is the extra cost since Nylander is proven, and would help solidify our dcore.

Future Lineup [2019/ 20]:

Borgstrom - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Grundstrom

Rielly - Pysyk
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen - Ozhiganov

Young dcore yes, but we can offset Gardiner and potentially trade him for futures, and in the future our dcore becomes:

Rielly - Liljegren
Dermott - Zaitsev
Sandin - Pysyk.

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1.) 20 Nov 2018 23:28:07
Love it.


2.) 20 Nov 2018 23:37:11
Trade Gardiner + Pick for Faulk or Barrie.


3.) 21 Nov 2018 01:26:15
I love it. Borgstrom looks fantastic. Pysyk is perfect plug for a couple years. Outstanding. It really is. Nylander is here and now. He contributes right away. No development. If Florida wants him, they can have him. But it’s going to cost a top prospect, a roster player, and a 1st. Insisting on Florida’s 1st would guarantee this deal happens. It could easily be a top 10 pick.

Good job TSS. I love it. I also love how you put the salaries beside all the players names. Makes it so much easier to quickly judge a proposal. You always got good ideas, because you take the time to think things through first and explain yourself after.

How badly does Florida want Nylander? I don’t know. You tell me?


4.) 21 Nov 2018 01:54:57
I totally agree. just add a first. kinda like just tap it in. just tap it in.

Lovely deal to a very very forgettable situation. just get it done and over with all ready.


 

 

 

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06 Apr 2019 21:11:28
What I’d like versus Boston:

Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Matthews/ Nylander
Marleau/ Kadri/ Kapanen
Ennis/ (Matthews/ Kadri) / Brown

Rielly/ Dermott
Muzzin/ Zaitsev
Gardine/ Hainsey
Rosen/ (Dermott/ Rielly)

We have such an abundance of centers. GOAT has been decent, but doesn't really add anything to the lineup. With this, we keep our d fresh through the night, only potentiallyoverworking Mo, and wecreate fourth line matchups with auston or naz which we can dominate. that way, each center plays 20mins per night.

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1.) 08 Apr 2019 22:25:05
This is silly you would burn Matthews and kadri out goat is very capable he doesn’t score a lot but he’s improved a lot in both ends this year.


 

 

25 Feb 2019 20:53:16
NIC PETAN FOR PAR LINDHOLM LOL.

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1.) 25 Feb 2019 21:35:40
Great trade by Dubas, a point per game AHLer for a bottom 3 forward is a hell of a steal.


 

 

02 Feb 2019 19:32:19
Not a trade post, just some cap suggestions:

Forwards who will be back next year barring any major trades/ offer sheets:
Matthews - 11M
Tavares - 11M
Marner - 9M
Nylander - 7M
Kadri - 4.5M
Kapanen - 3M [Hyman esque length]
Hyman - 2.2M
Johnsson - 2M [Bridge x 2 Years]
Moore - 0.7M

Total: 50.4 Million [9 Forwards]

Defence who will be back next year:
Rielly - 5M
Muzzin - 4M
Dermott - 2.5M [Bridge x 3 Years]
Rosen 0.8M
Liljegren - 0.9M

Total: 13.2 Million [5 Dmen]

Goalie who will be back next year:
Andersen - 5M

Total: 5 Million [1 Goalie]

Total Paid-Out: 68.6M

If the Cap Increases from 79.5M upper-limit to 83M upper-limit: 14.4M in Cap-Space, inclusive of Nathan Horton LTIR money for Three Bottom Six Forwards, One Defencemen and One Backup Goalie.

Roster Players with Term not included:
Marleau - 6M
Zaitsev - 4.5M
Brown - 2.1M
Holl - 0.6M

Total: 13.2M

Roster Players without term not included:
Sparks - Appx. 1.5M
Lindholm - Appx. 1M
Ozy - Appx. 1M

Total: 3.5M

We can't keep all these players. Of the bunch, Ozhiganov, Brown and Holl seem most likely to stay - taking our cap space down to 10.7 Million.

It is most likely we trade Marleau + Sparks + our second round pick in 2020 to a team such as Arizona, under the agreement that they buy him out, and we resign him for minimum - 1.5M. We then resign a capable backup [Hutchinson, for example] for minimum [1M], this brings our cap space down to 8.7M.

Now, the sole decision is on Zaitsev. Whether we trade him or not, we have enough money to sign replacement-level wingers/ dmen no matter the decision, so depending on his play, we'll see what happens.

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03 Sep 2018 17:05:36
I’m normally on the main NHL rumors page, but I sometimes stop here for a little bit. Just a couple of comments, as an avid Leaf fan.

Why are we always trying to trade Kadri? And that too for downgrades, or for wingers? Like, we finally found true, true centre delth, something we haven't had in a long time, and we still don't have much AHL/ junior depth at the position. The three we have, who are on good contracts, should be cornerstones for our future. They are an affordable, high octane, depth unit.

JUst because there's a slight surplus in it, doesn't mean we should deplete it and make our centre core worse. Remember, centre depth is often what wins championships. if one top centre gets injured, we don't want Par Lindholm stepping into a top6-9 role. Keep what we have, even if its a surplus. Sometimes its good to horde the wealth. be patient with the d; Likjegren, Sandin, Durzi and Rasanen will develop.

Secondly, why is it that many trades are bundles of 6-7 assets at once for a single asset? I get this is purely fantasy based, but really, trading like BROwn, zaitsev, sandin, nielsen, grundstrom and a 1st for like panarin and murray or something like that (not even worrying about value) is just ridculous. Large-scale trades will often be 3 decent pieces for 1 good piece, or more for a good piece and another decent piece. Ad furthermore, why do we have like five trafes like this, all for UFA’s, thus completely barrening not only our frm system, but our prospect pool in general. i'm one for being okay with trading 1sts, and prospects, and i centerinaly don't belive in adding more prospects and trading pieces for prospects, but cmon. don't throw away THE whole farm like that.

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1.) 04 Sep 2018 04:28:34
I think the large scale trades are just how people play EA's NHL games on Playstation. Start a franchise mode, trade everything bottom-roster to stack the team, play a few seasons then start over and repeat. The reason these 6-for-1 trades don't happen in real life is because there is no quit-and-restart in real life. For an NHL franchise, when you mortgage the future the bill comes due.

I'm also not a fan of these Kadri trades. I think there's a near-zero percent chance of it happening until there's someone in-house who can replace Kadri to the same degree. What's most likely to me is Dubas changes gears in the next two drafts and takes a couple centre prospects in rounds 1 and 2 and starts developing in-house replacements for the current middle-roster forwards.

Drafting and developing through the 3-tier system (Growlers-Marlies-Leafs) is the future of this team, not big trades.


 

 

16 Apr 2018 18:10:20
What I find funny is a lot of people are saying that the Leafs need size and this and that, and are suggesting trades for Gudbranson or Lucic or Kane or Reaves or Tkachuk or whoever the hell else. Its ridiculous. Remember the last time we tried to find speed? We got Dave Bolland, Mark Fraser, Roman Polak and David Clarkson. Not good. Stop trying to trade for these ‘big, tough’ vets when Matt Martin is sitting in the press box. there's a reason Martin is in the press box; he has little to no skill. He has little versatility.

What we need is better centre depth through the draft, and saavy/ big defensive free agent signing / trades. Brown + Bracco for Tanev ain't bad, or signing a guy like DeHaan if Carlson is too expensive is fine. We don't need to throw away our speed first identity because we lost two road games where our PK is below 50%, our offence has been non existent and our defence has frolapsed all over the ice. Wake up. We don't need to make this team old and slow, we don't need to trade Nylander, Hyman, Rielly, and everyone else just to go into another rebuild. Come on.

One guy I wouldn't mind who has ‘truculence’ is Marcus Foligno. he's a younger guy, physical and is fast. Perfect fourth liner. Maybe.

Leivo and a 3rd to Minny for Foligno? Idk. But please, no Lucic, no Reaves or tkachuk or whatever else.

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1.) 17 Apr 2018 02:48:07
It’s a talk and rumor site. Its all in good fun. What did you expect? If we can’t enjoy speculating, then what’s the point of posting?


2.) 17 Apr 2018 09:28:31
@randy

Good call on Andersson being the problem . Lol

Would have been about 14-4 without him tonight . Covered up a ton of mistakes .

Take the win, hope we can tie it 2-2, but glad we are still in it.


3.) 17 Apr 2018 14:41:09
I think the Leafs can maintain their speed while still adding some grit. They lose too many one-on-one puck battles and are pushed around too easily. In my opinion, adding players like Tkachuk and/ or Kane would be like adding another Hyman and Kapanen, players that compete hard, hit, fight and yet still contribute offensively and defensively.


4.) 17 Apr 2018 22:09:21
@Blizzard I have to disagree with you any other goalie in the playoffs wouldve won that game, Rask also held Boston in it and has been the better goalie through the series. That stick save was huge but you have to ask yourself would another goalie have been in better position to not have to make that save. He still let 2 absolute squeekers in, I think this game still wouldve been 4-2 with any other starting goalie in the playoffs just different shots would have went in.


 

 

 

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26 Jul 2019 14:21:40
Lol redwing give it a f***ing rest you leaf hater. i'm from the main page, but this ain't even bad. Frost ain't a future 1C he hasn't even played in the league yet. Stop makijg it like every leafs player is garbage man, if we offered this for parayko and kyrou ud say hell no from the blues man. Marner>>provorov, so marner for prov and like konecny is pretty good imo.

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06 Jul 2019 16:57:15
LOL cizikas becomes Tavares’ LW, alright bud, let's go from Marner to Cizikas😂😂😂😂.

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15 Jun 2019 03:12:28
Washington traded Niskanen to save cap. that's why they made Philly eat 30% on Gudas, so that he's at like 2M, compared to Niskanens 5.9. Zaitsev is cheaper than Niskanen at 4.5, but isn't as good, and is expensive. No dice from Washington, especially since the Gudas/ Niskanen deal just happened.

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14 Jun 2019 20:58:33
Troubas going to get a 1st + B+ Prospect + a 40 Point Gyg (think Tierney) .

I’m willing to bet that this is much closerr to the return than the Provorov+Patrick++ offer yall think yall are getting.

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01 Jun 2019 18:13:18
Trouba would sign an offer sheet. with what cap space can the Jets afford to match one for him? They can’t.

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12 May 2019 17:24:23
He could be a guy who fits alongside Naz sorta like Komarov, except with more skill. Could see something like Mik/ Naz/ Bracco if Kap gets traded away, or so. Otherwise, our fourth line looks like Mik/ Petan/ Moore with Kap/ Kadri/ Bracco which is nice too.

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27 Nov 2018 21:23:49
@marcus, please, englighten us to who that is.

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22 Sep 2018 21:28:50
@LG

Yeah, he should be, but in a lot of cases, agent does all the talking fianncially fir a player. Players just go along with it, especially young ones. i'd assume vets get more say in the mattee but agents have majority say in the deal right off of entr level - probably the most important deal for a player.

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22 Sep 2018 17:46:34
🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️.

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22 Sep 2018 17:46:13
Uhhh, you do realize that the agent has majority say in the decision. Nylander would probably take 6 million, i don't think he'd be overly greedy. The agents have ruined sports and are making players sit out like this because they want a higher amount in their percentage stake of the salary. he's not ‘screwing the team that drafted him’, don't get sore about him. i'm sore at the agent, not the player, cause if the agent is demanding 8million, he's insane.

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