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10 Aug 2021 17:48:55
Would you make this trade?
Marner to the Ducks for Gibson and Rackell.
Or Marner for Gibson and Manson

davido

1.) 10 Aug 2021 18:51:50
@Davido. Any vet on the Ducks the past 2-3 seasons is hard to judge if they are really declining or if it is all due to being on such poor teams. Before signing Mrasek, I would have given the first deal more thought, but Mrasek also has a M-NTC, so do we really want over $10M tied up in two goalies. Should be a great combo though if Gibson plays like the Gibson we think he is.
Hertl has been dropping off each year, but that could just be a lack of quality players to play with. If he does well in Toronto, even with Marner's cap hit gone, can we afford him moving forward if he wants in the $6M+ range.


 

 

03 Aug 2021 01:31:55
Here's a crazy idea. Now that the Leafs have one Ritchie, how about trading Engvall to the Flames for Brett Ritchie. The Leafs save 350K.
Top 3 Leafs lines:
Nylander Matthews Marner
Ritchie Tavares Ritchie
Bunting Kerfoot Mikheyev
Simmonds Brooks Spezza

davido

1.) 03 Aug 2021 13:26:49
Not a crazy idea at all. He was able to produce in the A, but it has never translated to the NHL. Big body that likes the physical game, so with Sutter behind the bench now, he may get a better opportunity in Calgary.


2.) 04 Aug 2021 12:15:35
It makes sense that Sutter will give Ritchie a better opportunity. This team needs to score more "ugly" goals as that is what it takes in the playoffs. Tavares seems to do okay with wingers that score those ugly tip-in and rebound goals. Putting Nylander at LW with Marner and Matthews allows them to be creative and pretty.
Maybe Bunting with Tavares and Ritchie if we can't get Brett out of Calgary.
I think Dubas did okay signing Bunting and Ritchie for that net front presence scoring Hyman type goals. And Kampf should fill Hymans PK spot.


 

 

22 Jun 2021 15:44:59
So there is a rumor circulating that Tkachuk wants out of Calgary. If that is true, could a Marner for Tkachuk deal be worked out?
Tkachuk might really like the big stage and all the attention in Toronto.
Also, if the Leafs are losing Hyman, could Foligno be signed for a 1 or 2 year contract worth around 3 - 3.5?
Adding Tkachuk, Foligno for 3.5 and Simmonds for league minimum would make the Leafs fun to watch next season. They would also have the money to sign a big, physical D-man like Oleksiak or Savard.

davido

1.) 22 Jun 2021 16:33:34
Good ideas but I mean they already tried the physical veteran route I think there going to go more skilled based. A player that could work tho is Evander Kane or Boone Jennor guys like that.


2.) 22 Jun 2021 18:20:44
Tkachuk is younger than Kane and has less off ice issues. Adding Tkachuk to Matthews, Tavares and Nylander would be a solid add. He is also 3.9 million cheaper than Marner. With that money the Leafs could add someone like Blake Coleman.
Essentially it would be Marner for Tkachuk and Coleman.
Signing Foligno as a 3C for 3-3.5 would be a fairly low risk move. He is good defensively and is tough. He is also good on the PK and still provide leadership. He would contribute more than either Thornton or Kerfoot.
Simmonds would be a depth move for league minimum.


3.) 22 Jun 2021 18:52:01
I don't want Mathew.


 

 

17 Jun 2021 14:33:56
Anderson contract saves 5 million
Reilly 5 million
Marner 10.9 million
Total money saved = 20.9 million
Add in Hyman at 2.25 and Galchenyuk 1 million plus 3.5 when Seattle takes Kerfoot = 27.65 million

If the Leafs only got draft picks or players on ELC in trade, the Leafs could probably sign any 5 or 6 of the following:
Tomas Tatar
Mikael Granlund
Erik Haula
Adam Larsson
Travis Zajac
Jaden Schwartz
David Savard
Nikita Gusev
Alec Martinez
Blake Coleman
Sean Kuraly
Barclay Goodrow
Jamie Oleksiak
Mike Reilly
Mattias Janmark
Corey Perry
Devan Dubnyk
Chris Driedger
Linus Ullmark

Personally I would pick Savard and Oleksiak on defense
Schwartz, Granlund and Haula on forward
Either Ullmark or Driedger in goal

davido

1.) 17 Jun 2021 16:15:22
Blake Coleman’s name is another name that stands out to me as someone who the leafs would want as well.


2.) 17 Jun 2021 16:38:37
Leafs have 11.75 in cap space and have 9F 5D 1G and Kessel retain accounted for

If you take marner and rielly away leafs now have 27.65 in
If kerfoot goes to Seattle now 31.15 in cap space

7F 4F 1G and Kessel retain

Now go shopping.


3.) 17 Jun 2021 18:25:20
I agree with you Leafsguy. Coleman would look good on Tavares' wing. Possibly Goodrow as a depth option.
Lots of good choices that would make the Leafs better, even after losing Reilly, Marner and Hyman. Scoring by committee from the forward group. A much deeper team with a very good powerplay and better penalty killing. Sandin can play PP1 in place of Reilly. The only defenseman that can't kill penalties is Sandin.
On defense, Oleksiak is as good as Muzzin, Savard is better than Bogo or Holl. We could have two shut down pairs.

Lineup could be
Robertson/ Coleman, Matthews, Nylander
Coleman/ Robertson, Tavares, Schwartz
Mikheyev, Haula/ Kuraly, Granlund
Goodrow, Brooks, Spezza

Oleksiak, Brodie
Muzzin, Holl
Sandin, Savard

Ullmark or Driedger and Campbell as 1A/ 1B in goal.


4.) 17 Jun 2021 18:31:43
The bottom line is the only way for the Leafs to improve is to move Marner. His 10.9 cap hit is too much of a burden on this team. They don't have enough talent on ELC to really make a difference.
I like Robertson and Sandin, but they won't make a big difference.
Signing depth players to cheap contracts can only take you so far. Look at the depth of the teams in the final four. That's what it takes to win in the playoffs. Their 3rd and 4th lines are much better than what the Leafs iced.
Dubas is betting the farm on Matthews and Marner and a second line center making 11 million.


5.) 18 Jun 2021 00:15:08
Let Andersen walk, trade kerfoot or hope he's claimed by Seattle. Sign Hyman 5x5,Coleman 3x2.5,goodrow 2x1.25,bunting 1mill and bogo 1 mill.


6.) 18 Jun 2021 00:15:44
Also driegder 2x1.5.


 

 

01 Jun 2021 16:40:22
Maybe an easy answer is Marner for Seth Jones. CBJ has the salary cap room to make it happen and the Leafs save 5 million in cap space. If needed, CBJ could throw in Max Domi to make the money work for them.
Maybe something like Marner and Lillegren for Jones and Domi.

davido

1.) 01 Jun 2021 17:04:43
Good thought

I’d live if leafs pried their 1st rounder back from Columbus just because that foligno deal really ended up back firing

But a deal centered around Jones and marner is a great start.


2.) 01 Jun 2021 17:15:54
Here is the question on this though. Why would CLB want Marner and his $11M price tag after watching the past two playoffs?

I think they would rather have something around Rielly or Nylander as the main piece if they were moving Jones to us.

I would think Philly might be interested in Marner and we could get something decent if we were taking back one of their big contracts. (Voracek, JVR for instance)


3.) 01 Jun 2021 17:54:51
Same reason why Columbus fell in love with panarin.
Marner is now the same age panarin was as a rookie and has produced more already. Panarin didn’t develop his shot until he was 27/ 28 so marner is ahead of panarin all ready at this stage.

If Columbus gets marner they are back in playoff picture regardless how marner produces in playoffs

For Columbus it’s about getting to playoffs do regular season performers are wanted. Anything extra done in playoffs for them is just a bonus

That’s why Columbus would want him.


4.) 01 Jun 2021 23:28:48
Columbus didn't trade for Panarin when he was making $11M. Without Jones, their D-core is pretty thin, which would make it unlikely they make the playoffs. They will need a D coming back and if they take on Marner and his contract, it is not likely they go free agency and pay big money for a D-man either, nor is it likely any sign there anyhow when everyone wants out of CLB.


5.) 02 Jun 2021 01:21:00
I think the real question is, why trade Marner for Seth Jones rights? He said he isn't resigning.


6.) 02 Jun 2021 12:53:33
@LL Jones still has one year left on his deal, just like Rielly.


 

 

 

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27 Oct 2021 14:03:23
Interesting article from Dan Rosen:
The Toronto Maple Leafs aren't going to stay near the bottom of the Atlantic Division for long because history and their underlying numbers indicate they're due for an offensive breakout. They're averaging 1.86 goals per game, 29th in the NHL, and they're 13.6 percent (tied with the Tampa Bay Lightning for 25th) on the power play despite generating 33.6 shots on goal per game (tied with Edmonton Oilers for 9th). They have a 54.0 percent shot attempts percentage (fifth), which shows they have the puck a lot, but their shooting percentage is 5.6 percent at 5-on-5 (29th). Toronto leads the NHL in shots from the low slot (71) but is last in low slot shooting percentage entering Tuesday (7.0 percent), according to NHL Stats. The Maple Leafs shot 16.2 percent from the low slot last season. Their luck will turn, particularly when you look at the history of their top forwards.

Auston Matthews is shooting 5.3 percent (one goal on 19 shots) this season; he shoots 16.0 percent for his NHL career. John Tavares is shooting 4.0 percent (one goal on 25 shots); he shoots 13.1 percent for his career. Mitchell Marner has no goals on 17 shots, a 0.0 percentage; he shoots 11.1 percent for his career. William Nylander is shooting 8.3 percent (two goals on 24 shots); he shoots 11.5 percent for his career.

From 2016-21, the Maple Leafs were third in goals for per game (3.30), tied with the Edmonton Oilers for fourth on the power play (22.9 percent) and seventh in shots on goal per game (32.4). Yes, they have issues that can't be ignored, such as being too cute with the puck, not playing with enough grind, being prone to defensive breakdowns, and getting outworked. But they will start scoring more and that will lead to wins. They will be a Stanley Cup Playoff team.

davido

1.) 27 Oct 2021 14:55:52
I think most would agree that they will get better, but simply based on - how much worse can they actually get? Matthews will score more and so will others. All those numbers do, is confirm that the big guns are not producing right now.

They have about 5-10 games to really get it going, or the playoffs are going to be in serious doubt. imo.


2.) 27 Oct 2021 15:24:26
Even when the Leafs offense spudders back to life, it’s not the only issue that’s holding us back.

Leafs have been riddled with defensive blunders, turnovers, and lack of compete.

A reversal of shooting percentage does not solve any of the above mentioned issues and therefore solves nothing.


3.) 27 Oct 2021 16:26:28
Hyman, you nailed it!
Turnovers and compete level are killing them!


4.) 27 Oct 2021 17:46:31
Totally agree Rsears!

Lots of things we need to correct before we can even dream of making noise in the post season. We’re not just unlucky.


5.) 27 Oct 2021 18:00:33
Agreed guys. It is not just lack of scoring.


6.) 27 Oct 2021 21:07:26
Everyone beat me to it. Very well put. They could have scored 7 in that Pitts game and I guarantee they lose in OT. Scoring is being focused on as the only issue but it isn't.


 

 

29 Jul 2021 11:51:06
Does anyone else find it strange that Dubas signed Kurtis Gabriel? He is not exactly a Dubas type player. For one thing he is big, and he is not an analytics darling. Someone please explain to me why Gabriel was signed. I'm not against signing a 6'4" winger for league minimum, I just can't believe Dubas did it.
I don't mind the Bunting and Kampf signings and giving HoSang a PTO.
We still need a couple wingers to play top 6. Even if Bunting and HoSang can play top 6, we still have no scoring in the bottom 6. Maybe Kerfoot, Bunting and HoSang can make up a decent 3rd line, we still need 2 LW to play in the top 6.
Strange day for the Leafs. I think the Leafs got worse while Boston, Florida, Montreal, even New Jersey got better. I hope Dufus has something else up his sleeve because the Leafs today are not a playoff team.

davido

1.) 29 Jul 2021 13:04:13
Dubas generally always signs a tough guy to play with the marlies, it’s not new.

Previously he signed guys like Justin Johnson, Tom sesito or even rich clune.

So it’s just a standard Dubas maneuver to have some beef in the marlies locker room.


2.) 29 Jul 2021 13:20:20
Yea I don’t get it either is that not what we have Simmonds For plus is you need that guy we have the guy I forget his name but he fought Lucic last year to be honest the only players I’m excited about so far is ho sang and Robertson.


3.) 29 Jul 2021 13:59:24
Not a playoff team. That might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day and it’s not even 10 o clock in the morning. We have a very soild goalie tandem and an above average D core. Not to mention that we still have the core 4 of guys who are going to get us close to or even past 300 combined points. Plus Robertson could have a break out year and with so many guys we have a very good bottom 6. To say we’re not a playoff team because we’re missing one too six left winger is kinda a joke.


4.) 29 Jul 2021 14:33:38
A guy Kyle was annoyed with when Owen sound played the Sau. Why not see if he can be a pest in your side now.


5.) 29 Jul 2021 14:50:04
He has done this type of thing before whether through trade or waivers. He puts the guy in the minors where he stays. I don't expect him to make the team.


6.) 30 Jul 2021 23:40:48
Just to be clear Leafsgm123, I did not question whether we are not a playoff team based on missing one top 6 LW. I based it on missing two top 6 LW, no depth scoring in the bottom 6, an average D and average goaltending. If Campbell and Mrazek stay healthy our goaltending is average. If one or both go down with a lengthy injury, our goaltending is below average.
Dubas is gambling on a "core 4" and a group of long shots to fill out the forward group. Our defense has no depth and I don't have confidence that Lilly and Sandin are the answer yet.
In the Atlantic division, Boston, Tampa and Florida are all better and deeper than the Leafs. Both Ottawa and Montreal play the Leafs tough. In the Metropolitan almost every team is better than the Leafs.
That is why I don't believe the Leafs, as they are constructed today, are a playoff team.
I also agree with the statement above - "Dubas could very well go down in Leafs history as being the GM that screwed up our best chance at a Cup since 67"


 

 

24 Jun 2021 14:08:44
Justin Bourne wrote an excellent article about what leads to playoff success. When I look at the final four, I can't disagree.
In the article he stated:
You need goaltending, first and foremost. Goaltending? Campbell, I really hope he is the guy because I really like him.
You need responsible players, which usually means veterans. Responsible players? Not bad. The team did buy into defense the way Keefe wanted. They are improving.
You need a physical element. Physical element? Simmonds and Foligno helped, but not nearly enough. You need that physical element throughout the lineup. Not just from two banged up veterans. Your bottom 6 should add that physical element, or at the very least, your 4th line and defense. Muzzin and Bogo were the only physical defensemen.
You need defensemen who defend
Defensemen who defend? Muzzin, Holl, Brodie and Bogo defend well. With Bogo gone, that is only 50% of the D-men.

If we use this template, the Leafs have a long way to go.
Goaltending - no way I move Campbell but they need a real solid backup. A 1B type backup.
Responsible players - the Leafs are close
Physical element - with Foligno and Simmonds gone, they need about 5 or 6 forwards that are not afraid to play physical, (think Barclay Goodrow and McLeod from NJ) and another 2 physical D-men. Think Jamie Oleksiak and David Savard types.
Defensemen who defend - another 1-2 physical D-men who can play defense, not just fight, would really help. Think Jamie Oleksiak and David Savard.

All this costs money, which the Leafs don't have unless they move a big contract. Matthews isn't going anywhere, Tavares has a NTC, compared to Marner, Nylander is a good deal.
That leaves Marner and Reilly as the only options to do anything significant.

Darren Dreger said it best - "what you're seeing in the final four is will plus skill"

IMO the Leafs need to trade some of their skill for "will to win"

I just don't see any other way for this Leafs team to have any playoff success. Without the will to win element, I don't see this core-4 making the playoffs next year in a tougher division.

davido

1.) 24 Jun 2021 15:05:02
You do need goaltending but you look at Pittsburgh and St. Louis who were able to do it with lesser guys I think Campbell’s only concern is his health as for physical the leafs didn’t have that as I’m pretty sure matthews led in hits and it’s starting to become a trend in Toronto that physical players come to Toronto and change their game idk if it’s a coaching this or it’s just the culture but the other thing that has not been talked about enough is drafting well the leafs don’t have many elc players on their roster that can make an impact I think Sandin was the only one this year compared to Tampa last year where Cirelli Cernak segachev were big factors and all in elc and now the leafs have little to no draft capital.


2.) 24 Jun 2021 19:20:01
He may have wrote the story, but it shouldn't be new news. Dubas wanted to show it could be done differently. So far, he is wrong.


3.) 24 Jun 2021 22:00:42
Trade who exactly then? Rielly, Brodie, Holl, Dermott, BOGO, Kerfoot, Nylander all had a good series.

What people mean with all these articles is "Mathews and Marner didn't do anything". That's it.

They got depth scoring. They had more physical players than they showed (Foligno clearly injured-Tavares out) . They got goaltending. They got a good performance out of the top 4.

Everyone is reverting back to the same arguments they have made for years, "more grit, need a RHD, need leadership" all those things were addressed and weren't an issue.

If Marner and Mathews don't show up your going no where. No team is. Take Hedman and Kucherov off the Lightning. Bergeron and Pasta off Boston. MacKinnon and Makar off Colorado.

It isn't about a total team transformation. It's about the big guys never performing.


4.) 25 Jun 2021 13:34:29
@LL. I agree to an extent. Yes, you need your big stars to perform, but it isn't just that simple. You still need to be able to shut the other teams stars down and get scoring from lesser talents. This year it is Killorn, Suzuki, Toffoli, Pageau, Beauvillier, Clutterbuck etc all chipping in. It is these guys breaking through the other teams lesser defensive matchups that matter as well.

To me, it is not only how well your stars do, it is how well you defend the other teams stars. Montreal is doing a great job at shutting teams down even though Anderson, Petry, Gallagher, Weber have done little as far as putting up points.

Leddy hasn't produced much and they are missing Lee in NYI.
Tampa has the big guns rolling but Gourde, Coleman and Sergachev haven't produced much, but others have stepped up.
Vegas had some guys step up but Stone, Marchessault and Martinez didn't get much done on the score sheet and they couldn't keep the Habs scorers off the board.

We can say it is as easy as your stars have to outplay their stars. But is also about how well the depth can outplay the other teams depth on both sides of the puck.


5.) 27 Jun 2021 08:13:37
We got depth didn't we? Where were the stars?

Couple rounds in that's an argument. Right now though I'm looking at Marner. Where was he vs CBJ as well?


6.) 27 Jun 2021 14:05:05
@LL. Marner didn't get it done. No argument. He did have as many points as Montreal 2nd leading scorer in the series. Matthew's had as many as their leader. When we won we outscored them 11-2. Dominate in all aspects. Game winners from Matthews, Nylander and Rielly. We were outscored 12-7 in the 4 loses. Their game winners came from Perry, Suzuki, Byron and Kotkaniemi. No game winners from our depth. Our goalie was quite good. Not on him. We didn't stop their depth from winning the games and our depth couldn't win 1 for us or stop theirs from winning it. That is a small sample of what I meant about you need depth on both sides of the puck.


7.) 28 Jun 2021 10:00:45
@RLF no argument from me that depth is an issue. The problem come sin where everyone points at depth as an issue and I'm seeing RHD trades constantly.

Soup was good, D was good, where was Marner? Nylander performed, Mathews didn't but we all accept he probably was hurt, Tavares was our, where was Marner? Where was he vs CBJ?

The entire point I'm making is; if your 11 million dollar winger isn't performing you may as well just not make the playoffs. As Florida learned, you need that much salary to match the results. He just never has.

If he can't drive a lone without Mathews or Tavares then he should be making Nylander money.


8.) 28 Jun 2021 14:49:24
@LL. Yes, D was not really our issue, nor was goaltending. Yes, our two big stars did not step up. No disagreement. People can throw out all the great opportunities the y created, but how many times can they use great goaltending stopped us?
My point was that your stars can play well and you still lose if the depth is not contributing on both sides of the puck. Matthews and Marner had as many points as Montreal's top 2 point getters. Many look at just points (not you) .
Most times, you stars on their own are not enough if your depth can't shutdown the other team. Our stars stopped putting the puck in the net and their depth outplayed ours the last 3 games. I don't consider Nylander depth and when Kerfoot was moved into the top 6, he wasn't really depth anymore.
We need our stars because of how Dubas built this team. It has never worked in the past and I doubt it will now.


 

 

23 Jun 2021 17:20:24
Marner makes 10.9 million. I was just browsing through cap friendly to see what you could get for 10.9.
Forsberg and Ekblad cost 9.75 which would save the Leafs 1.15.
Theodore and Marchessault cost Vegas 10.2 million.
Anderson and Toffoli cost the Habs 9.75.
How can Dubas possibly build a Stanley Cup contender when paying Matthews, Tavares and Marner a combined 33.5 million or 41% of the cap.
Of the 4 teams still playing, Carey Price is the only player making 10+.
It's also very likely the two teams playing the final will both be from the Atlantic division, the same one as the Leafs.
If Dubas does not do something major this off-season, are the Leafs even a playoff team next season? Are the Leafs any better than Boston, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa or Tampa Bay? I don't think they are. Or Washington, NYI or Carolina for a wild card spot?
If the Leafs don't make the playoffs next year, what does that do to the trade value of Marner and Nylander? And Reilly may walk for nothing as a UFA.
As much as I like Marner, his 10.9 in cap hit could be spent better elsewhere

davido

1.) 23 Jun 2021 18:27:34
I have said this many times. Dubas way of handing out contracts could very well kill the best chance in decades we have had at winning a cup. When you hand out big money contracts like Matthews and Marner (even Nielander's at the time), they need to be max term so you have enough time for the cap to increase so there is more money to add the proper depth. 5 years for Matthews and 6 for Marner and Nylander (really 5 1/ 2 for Nylander) does not allow this to happen. Especially now that the c.v. has flattened the cap.

When these guys come up for contracts again, right about the time the cap should have risen enough to add the depth needed and give a 3-4 year window to get a Cup in, they will all want raises and rinse/ repeat with no depth cause their raises will take up the new cap space gained by the rising cap.

It was poor planning and now he really doesn't have much choice but to start to move out or not re-sign quality players and replace them with cheaper players and hope for the best.

Horrible cap management and poor roster building strategy.


2.) 23 Jun 2021 18:32:52
The marner contract is brutal. We paid way above market value on that deal. We paid at least 20% above market value for no real reason that I can gather.


The matthews contract is just as bad - the cap hit is fine but that term is a fireable offence.

In just 24 months we’ll be begging Matthews to resign or we’ll be debating having to trade him so he doesn’t walk for nothing.

Just awful.


3.) 24 Jun 2021 00:37:36
Mathews contract isn't as bad as Marner. Mathews is a top 3 Centre in the world who (when healthy) will win the rocket more often than not. His defensive game has evolved the way Babs always said it could, he's hitting more in general and fighting for picks more, and he seems to drag any linemate he has along with him for the ride.

The only regret I have with Mathews is not giving him 12-13 for a 7-8 year deal. I didn't have an issue with the AAV at the time and still don't, it's the term that really burns.


4.) 24 Jun 2021 13:44:46
Yes, term is the biggest issue with Matthews. Marner was simply overpaid in all areas to any comparable. You don't give a winger that money and term. Anyone wants to bring up P. Kane, Kane had already won Cups for Chicago. Kane had a previous 5 year deal at $6.3 or 11.9% cap hit. Marner got a 13.39% cap hit deal on his first full contract. Even if he gave him Kane money, it would have been about $9.7M per in today's market and Kane got this right after a Stanley Cup win.

Matthews at $11.6X8 seemed right as McDavid had just done his $12.5X8. Edmonton bought 4 UFA years. Dubas gave Matthews .850 less and only got 1 UFA year. Great deal for Matthews, horrible for the Leafs.

Nylander got $7.5, which again, was well above any comparable and only for about 5 1/ 2 seasons as he decided to sit out.

Dubas wanted to show these guys how much he believes in them and screwed the team for making buddies with a few players.


 

 

08 Jun 2021 14:33:21
If I'm Kyle Dubas, this is my to-do list this summer.
1. free up cap space to re-sign Hyman
2. trade Marner to CBJ for Jones. Marner may be an 11 million hit against the cap, but after July 1, he does not cost CBJ much. Cap savings - 6 million
3. improve the defense. I like Holl, but adding someone like Seth Jones can move Holl down to the third pairing.
4. add forwards, something similar to what Montreal did - Josh Anderson and Toffoli for 9.75. Not worn out veterans.
5. trade Reilly. As much as I like Reilly, Sandin can take his spot on PP1. Playing a full season will see him really develop
6. Sign Ullmark
7. expose Kerfoot to the expansion draft. A guy that can play up and down the lineup, center and wing. Saving his 3.5 million salary will help. With the money saved, sign Oleksiak. Montreal figured it out, big physical defensemen.
8. add a legit 3C that can kill penalties and is responsible defensively. Someone similar to Granlund out of Nashville

2021-22 lineup:
Hyman, Matthews, Nylander
Tavares centering two Anderson or Toffoli type wingers
Engvall, Granlund?, Mikheyev
Robertson, Brooks, Spezza

Sandin, Brodie
Muzzin, Jones
Oleksiak, Holl

Campbell, Ullmark

I think this is a good start to a good regular season and playoff team. They can still skate and play fast, but can also be physical and wear opponents down.

davido

1.) 08 Jun 2021 20:58:21
Why is Jones worth Marner? I keep hearing these arguments and I don't understand it.

Defence wasn't the reason we lost. It was an inability to score.


2.) 09 Jun 2021 11:26:39
I agree with LL yes I’m pissed that marner was terrible in the playoffs but trading him for jones leaves to much of a hole in the top 6.


3.) 09 Jun 2021 11:45:13
@LEAFS1994 even beyond that, the guy is a rental. If he had same term then maybe but Marner for a rental just seems absurd.


4.) 09 Jun 2021 12:55:52
Jones may not just be a rental though. Part of the deal may be to be able to talk with him first to see what his contract extension ask would like like. If something the Leafs think they can work with (7-8 per year), they get Jones long term for less than Marner.


5.) 11 Jun 2021 01:11:37
Jones didn't have a good year. I'm not sure did signing him to an 8 year deal at his age for close to Marner money actually makes the team better.

If I was Dubas I would look to move Marner for a younger cheaper LHD that can replace Rielly and his 8+ he will ask for (and deserves) and hopefully find someone to replace Hyman and the 5-6 he will want (and also deserves) .

Losing 2.9 against the cap to bring in Jones doesn't seem like the best option to me. Your just making the team top heavy all the same while disregarding Jones saying he wants to test the open market. He will be asking for the world. At his age though the decline could come at anytime.


6.) 11 Jun 2021 13:39:30
@LL. Jones is only 26. He has one year left at 5.4. I was referring to 7-8M per season, not length of extension. If he got $7M+ per season for 8 years, would it be all that bad? He will be 35 at end of contract. Front load the money, set up the last 2-3 seasons where he only has a M-NTC and if he declines too much, move him to a team looking to reach the cap floor, but doesn't want to pay the salary that equals the cap hit.


7.) 11 Jun 2021 14:45:01
@RLF I really liked Seth Jones for a long time. He was always a guy I wanted.

I think maybe I'm judging a bit harshly based on personal bias but he reminds me of the Leafs. He completely checked out this year on his team. He looked like he didn't give 2 rubbishs.

I have no idea what the market is paying Jones right now but I'm assuming 7 year deal at 8+ sounds about right. But he won't accept front loaded money. Last I heard players are losing a big chunk of salary over the next 2 years so I'm guessing he wants backloaded like Petro.


8.) 11 Jun 2021 15:11:45
@LL. Good point on the contract portion. Forgot about that. Same goes for Hyman as well then.


9.) 13 Jun 2021 03:00:31
Yeah same for Hyman. It makes it a really tough sell if your plan is a buyout.


 

 

 

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11 Aug 2021 12:32:09
I agree with you RLF, Dubas missed his chance on Weegar.

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04 Aug 2021 12:15:35
It makes sense that Sutter will give Ritchie a better opportunity. This team needs to score more "ugly" goals as that is what it takes in the playoffs. Tavares seems to do okay with wingers that score those ugly tip-in and rebound goals. Putting Nylander at LW with Marner and Matthews allows them to be creative and pretty.
Maybe Bunting with Tavares and Ritchie if we can't get Brett out of Calgary.
I think Dubas did okay signing Bunting and Ritchie for that net front presence scoring Hyman type goals. And Kampf should fill Hymans PK spot.

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30 Jul 2021 23:56:53
RLF, that is the best trade proposal you have posted yet. That may be the only hope to avoid Dubas screwing up any chance at a cup (or even winning a round in the playoffs) .

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28 Jun 2021 16:16:53
I always like your trade proposals because they are outside the box. I agree with the idea of giving up one "star" player and add some much needed depth with the money saved.

IMO, the only hope for this team to improve is moving the salary of a star player for more depth.

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28 Jun 2021 16:09:48
No criticism from me. I too think Sandin is over rated. Good puck mover but too small and ineffective defensively. If you didn't like Tyson Barrie, you won't like Sandin.
Sandin for McLeod is a fair deal for both teams and I really like it as a Leafs fan.
I like all your signings and if Robertson is to have any success he needs to play on one of the top two lines.

Well done.

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11 Aug 2021 12:27:10
As long as Toronto is paying the big 3 over 30 million, every year will be a stop gap. When Reilly walks, who will be his replacement? We can't afford him so almost zero chance of him staying. Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse get 9 million. If I'm Reilly, that would be my number.
Campbell, like you said LeafsLife-"Plays well, can't afford him. Plays badly we don't want him".
The only way out I see is trading Marner for a group of those young prospects you have been listing. On this Leafs team, Nylander is one of the better contracts. Matthews I would not move and Tavares has a NMC.
My suggestion is to trade Marner and Reilly. Losing Reilly for nothing would be a huge loss. Moving Reilly and Marner creates 15.9 in cap space. Some would be used to pay the young prospects we get back but should still leave around 10 in cap space.
RLF, when you replace Dubas, what could you do with 10 million in cap space?

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04 Aug 2021 12:33:38
Svechnikov and Dal Colle would be my first two picks followed by Hawryluk. Any of these three could contribute in our bottom 6 or continue to develop with the Marlies. Bigger guys that can skate and contribute 10-12 goals in our bottom 6. Maybe in a season or two contribute in the top 6.

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04 Aug 2021 12:26:16
You really do your research RLF. I still like the trade - you for Dubas. Dubas can be on here proposing stupid trades for small but skilled players while you can build a solid contending team.
I vote for RLF being the next Leafs GM, hopefully before it is too late and we start losing Reilly, Matthews, Nylander and Marner for nothing.
Good call on finding Josh Jacobs.

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30 Jul 2021 23:50:07
In answer to your question RLF - contract contract contract
The Marner and Tavares contracts are killing the Leafs. I can handle Matthews contract, just wish it was longer term. But Marner and Tavares contracts are handcuffing anything the Leafs can do to improve this team.
This year we lose Hyman. Next year we lose Reilly and possibly Campbell. If Campbell has a great season he will want Mrazek money or more. Even if Reilly takes a "hometown discount" and wants 6-7 million, he is gone.
In 2023-24 Matthews, Nylander, Brodie and Muzzin are up for renewal. Where are the replacements? The Leafs should have replacements for Nylander, Brodie and Muzzin playing with the Marlies right now, but they don't.

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30 Jul 2021 23:40:48
Just to be clear Leafsgm123, I did not question whether we are not a playoff team based on missing one top 6 LW. I based it on missing two top 6 LW, no depth scoring in the bottom 6, an average D and average goaltending. If Campbell and Mrazek stay healthy our goaltending is average. If one or both go down with a lengthy injury, our goaltending is below average.
Dubas is gambling on a "core 4" and a group of long shots to fill out the forward group. Our defense has no depth and I don't have confidence that Lilly and Sandin are the answer yet.
In the Atlantic division, Boston, Tampa and Florida are all better and deeper than the Leafs. Both Ottawa and Montreal play the Leafs tough. In the Metropolitan almost every team is better than the Leafs.
That is why I don't believe the Leafs, as they are constructed today, are a playoff team.
I also agree with the statement above - "Dubas could very well go down in Leafs history as being the GM that screwed up our best chance at a Cup since 67"

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