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18 Oct 2016 23:08:16
Leafs trade: Dermot, Kapanen, 2017 2nd

Duck's trade: Lindholm, 2017 3rd

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1.) 19 Oct 2016 03:20:35
That makes a log jam on the left side. We need a RH Dman.

I like Lindhom - big, great skater, and has the full gamit of skills with a head for the game. (Twice the Dman Trouba is).

But he will be expensive.

Your trade is good for the Leafs, but the problem is the Ducks don't want to trade him. They want to sign him. That means moving someone else like Fowler ( who is not exp draft exempt).

I would target Montour (RH) or Theodore (LH)

Montour is a young Gardiner and will take a few years to develop.

Theodore is about ready to go.

I would do:

Tor: Dermott, Kapanen, Bozak

Ana: Montour, Nattinen, Rakell

Brandon Montour gives us good young play making RH D, Julius Nattinen a younger center/LW, and Rakell a younger RH #2 C/RW.


2.) 19 Oct 2016 17:57:13
Lab gives a good explanation. I would add that getting Lindholm would be a bonus; defenders play off wing many times (Phaneuf recently). Lindholm gives the Leafs a second PP quarterback whose young and can take some of the load off of Reilly.
Ducks would be crazy to let him go but you never know.


 

 

 

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08 Oct 2016 15:54:14
I want another top 5 pick this year. I love the kids but I think we shouldn't be afraid to let them develop in the minors. After the trade deadline a bunch of spots will open up anyway. I have the Matthews line as the 2nd line because I feel they will out produce Bozak's line.

JVR - Kadri - Komarov
Michalek - Matthews - Nylander
Greening - Bozak - Marner
Martin - Holland - Hyman

Rielly - Zaitsev
Gardiner - Hunwick
Polak - Carrick
Carrado

Anderson
Enroth

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12 Aug 2016 08:31:28
JVR - Kadri - Komarov

Lupul/ Leivo - Bozak - Soshnikov

Nylander - Matthews - Marner

Martin - Laich - Michalek/ Hyman


Reily - Zaitsev

Gardiner - Hunwick

Polak - Carrick/ Carrado

Marincin

Anderson
Sparks


I think this is realistically how the leafs lineup will look for most of the season. They want one more top 8 pick I'm sure.

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1.) 12 Aug 2016 16:32:02
Realistically that's all wrong!


2.) 14 Aug 2016 03:30:26
I think the leafs will be a little different than that.

Komorov. Kadri. Marner
Jvr. Bozak. Soshnikov
Martin. Matthews. Nylander
Brown. Laich. Michalek/lupul

I feel that Michalek and lupul can move up and down The right side pretty easy. Left can have Holland or greening in the minors to fill for injuries. Do soshnikov and brown switch spots?


3.) 14 Aug 2016 17:55:35
@86PA86 not sure about Soshnikov and Brown but I do see Brown getting quality looks throughout the season


4.) 16 Aug 2016 00:09:40
Sorry Real GM didn't have time on Friday: had to head up the 400 for the cottage. But I thought it was funny, given your wording.

Anyhow! you asked for the following

Yup! with your lineup they won't function, but at least they won't have to tank to get that 8th or better pick; your lineup will do that all by itself!

1) Lupul should not be a part of the any of the top 3 lines (if we have to play him). He is not part of the future; just dead weight. We don't want him messing up their development. Un-usable, un-tradeable, fragile, bad play last year, and hopefully gone sooner than later. Same goes for Michalek; who showed us nothing last year when not hurt. To be traded, the sooner the better.

2) Rychel is NHL ready and just needs the time. Your second line with him will be effective. Even better if they get Vessey 6'3" 205, fast and has a great shot. Worth the trivial risk. He's even big enough to provide some protection if you put him with Matthews and Nylander, but I still wouldn't do that till later.

3) Laich put in some effort last year, but he's done. Trade required.

4) You've got Komarov, Soshnikov, and Michalek on the right side. By playing them on their off wing, you are automatically losing a portion of their effectiveness along the boards and in passing.

5) You have 3 rookies on one line; what do you want me to say? Have you no respect for their health, confidence? And you are putting Nylander on his off wing. You put together 3 kids that don't know how to play in the NHL (as good as they are) and expect them to learn without example? Do you think that Nylander or Matthews are capable of protecting Marner. That's just dangerous.

6) Martin will play along side Matthews and Nylander to provide protection and some grinding along the boards for at least a year. And he's not that bad a player; he will get 20 goals. I believe that they have already hinted to Martin on the 3rd line with Matthews and the Smurf.

&) Your 4th line is a disaster. 3 dead weights. I'd rather see:

Leivo/Leipsic - Hyman/The Goat - Brown/Lindberg - Time to give these kids their chance. Better to figure them out now than when it actually will count.


7) You got the 1st D pair right but you've got Hunwick on the 2nd pairing and on the wrong side. People were played on the wrong side last year because they had no choice (eg. Reilly). This year they don't have to. Polak, Corrado, and Zaitsev (and Carrick) are all RH. Polak will be on Gardiner's right side, staying at home so he can roam. Same with Reilly and Zaitsev.

8) The goalie is obvious, but the Leafs have already stated they will sign a backup FA (that is if they can get the cap space). Unfortunately, Sparks was not ready last year and that was unfair to him to put him in that soap opera last year. He needs to play a lot of minutes for a year or two in the AHL.

9) If you have ever looked at my posts, I almost always explain my viewpoints in detail. I just had to go on Friday, so you get them now.

10) As for your comment back. Maybe you should choose your words a little bit more carefully. Yes my comment was critical, but it was not rude, it was sarcastic at worst.

11) Try your lineups again, those ones are terrible.


5.) 16 Aug 2016 15:48:04
@lab16

1) my mistake, I did not write in this lineup with accurate wing and D positions. I was hoping their sides of the ice would be assumed. I take responsibility for that.

2) martin will not play on a line with Matthews and Nylander because he is no way capable of playing to their skillset. 20 goals? He hit a career high of 11 last year. The kids do not need a protector on their line, the protector simply needs to be in the lineup so other teams know there will be consequences for roughing up the kids. Like I've already stated in my responses to other comments: the only reason I have the kids together is because Babcock said he was going to try them out on the same line.

3) Of course Lupul is a joke. I only have him in my lineup because if he starts the season healthy the leafs have no choice but to play him. I don't like it anymore than you do.

4) I admittedly forgot about Rychel I can see him getting looks on either of the bottom two lines.

5) of course IF Vessey signs with the leafs I expect him to be in the lineup, however he has not signed with the leafs so why would I write him in? Clearly this lineup configuration is based on the leafs current roster.

6) I have rubbish veterans in this lineup because they are on the roster. They are yet to be traded. Which means they will likely start the season on the ice unfortunately. The leafs cannot send all of Holland, Laich, Michalek and Greening to the press box. They are there to make the rookies compete for roster spots until the trade deadline.

7) Again, this lineup post is based on the leafs current roster. They have not signed a backup yet. Until then they have one option behind Anderson -- Sparks. I am a propenent of them going after a vet backup because sparks is not ready.

8) Hunwick on the second D pair may be a stretch but I don't think Gardiner and Polak compliment eachother's style of play and just like Hunwick, Polak is a 5/6 dman so either way you slice it someone is having to play above their skillset. Hunwick had time on the top pair with Phaneuf last season so i'm assuming he'll get looks with Gardiner.

9) Soshnikov is a RW

10) Your posts clearly have not caught my attention yet but I will keep my eyes peeled in the future. Though you have an arrogant way of writing, I appreciate the detail.

11) My comment back was equal to your initial shallow comment. It was crafted with the same attention you gave to your "realistically all wrong!" comment. I respond with the same level of respect that is given to me as is evidenced by this response to your more detailed breakdown of my lineup.

Once more, I will admit to mistake and own up to shortsighted arguments but I do not think my lineup is as egregious as you state. Especially considering my criteria: working with the roster as it stands currently. If the leafs snag vessey or move a vet, my lineup construction will absolutely change.


6.) 16 Aug 2016 23:33:45
Gretzky got Semenko. While it is a different league today, cheap shots; knee on knee, checking from behind, and hits to the head are all much more prevalent today; just ask Kadri.

You're not giving Martin credit; he has better talent than just scoring, and it's only a temporary measure for this year. Putting Greening and Michalek there didn't help last year at all.
This also allows Matthews and Nylander (playing on his proper wing) to gell together. Marner will be protected on another line.

As for Sosh being a right winger; you have to explain to me why he always ended up on the left side of the rink last year. Playing on your off wing is always a negative. Teams only do it because they are short of one or the other. It's even worse when you put a Dman on the wrong side. They can't cover the boards as well and tend to lose the pucks on a reverse.

That brings us to Hunwick; he does not have the talent to play on the 2nd rung. Princess Pylon and Hunwick were terrible last year and that was with him on LD. Polak at least can hit, he's experienced, and sought after every year (tells you something about Hunwick by ommision), and he's RH. Arguably, I'd like to see Carrick given a shot there.

If Lou could actually get someone to take any of those vets, they would be gone before the ink dries. They have no future here and they know it. We may be stuck with them, but we don't have to play them. They will enjoy counting their millions in the press box.

And no, you directly attacked me, not the content. It's just not the same, not even close. But fret not, I can take it 15 years of marriage has groomed me for anything.


7.) 17 Aug 2016 14:11:15
@lab16 I attacked you directly because you gave me nothing else to comment on initially, that is my point.

I agree about the veterans needig to be put in the press box but history suggests that is not happening. If I could have the lineup exactly how i'd like it to be there would be no greening, no Michalek, no lupul, no Holland and Hyman, Brown, Rychel, kappanen and even Timashov would all get solid time on the ice. But i'm trying to project what their lineup will actually look like to start the season.

Im telling you look up Soshnikov's player profile, he is listed as a RW. that's fine if he can play LW or is better there. No problem with me but i'm not an idiot for lining him up there is my point.

I agree about Carrick I like his play I think he's the 4th best D they have (Reily, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Carrick [Zaitsev i'm hoping will be better than Gardiner]). But I don't think he is going to get 2nd pairing minutes. Again, we want the leafs losing a bunch of games this season. We need one more season of bottoming out so we can draft a dman in the top 10 hopefully top 5. Slotting Hunwick in on the second pairing, or playing shitty veterans helps the leafs lose.

Maybe Martin plays on a line with Nylander and Matthews. That is fine. But what I am telling you is Babcock was quoted saying he is going try the 3 rookies on a line together. So again, that is my reasoning for putting them there. Knee on knees and hard checks are not prevented by having Martin on the ice with them. What is he going to do? Jump in front of a hit aimed for Nylander? No he is there to either prevent something through intimidation or to react if shit goes down. You don't need him on a line with the kids to do that.

My point is the lineup I posted is 1) what I feel is a realistic projection based on the currently constructed roster. i'm not slotting in potential free agent signings or trades because those haven't happened yet. 2) based on the leafs intent to lose again next year while still improving and 3) i'm no fool, I didn't throw together my fantasy lineup, it is not a reflection of what I think they should do, rather, it is what I think they will do barring a trade or FA signing (hoping for vessey)


8.) 18 Aug 2016 02:01:29
@RealGM

That's not a valid reason, and it's still lame to call someone that. This is a public forum, and it normally censors that.

When I brought up Vessey I said "if". It is a conditional statement.
So no, he's not on the roster. Everybody understands that.

Leaf's management has clearly stated their preference to sign a backup and to not to use Sparks as the backup. (Right after they signed Anderson).

Yes you need Martin on that line. That's what they signed him for. 4th Line positions do not require a 2.5 M a year over 4 years. His immediate threat, is what will minimize the cheap shots, and allow for quick retaliation.

For far too long Leaf players have stood around while one of their over matched linemates got abused(Kessel/Ott, Kadri/Everyone, last years rook's/anyone that was losing to us). Management said last year, that they would remedy that situation this year and they have. So now you have your enforcer that hits, checks, makes plays, scores 15 to 20 pts./yr and doesn't have to be relegated to the bench. That or Josh Georges is a hell of a Dman?

The current roster will not start the season. injuries, demotions/promotions, trades, signings, waivers, other hockey, etc, will all change the team before the start of the season, let alone most of the season.

Even with the same players, the lineups always change from night to night and even period to period but never ever stay the same for most of the season. the lineup is almost always in "transition".

The lineup right now, means little. How they will change it (rebuild) means everything.

I can see the fun in projecting the lineup the way it is, but I can see more fun in projecting changes to the lineup and that's actually what we are here for.


 

 

 

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19 Sep 2016 06:58:28
JVR - Kadri - Komarov
Soshnikov - Bozak - Michalek
Marner - Matthews - Nylander
Martin - Laich - Hyman

Rielly - Zaitsev
Gardiner - Carrick
Polak - Marincin
Hunwick

Anderson
Enroth

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19 Sep 2016 06:49:21
I don't think any of those dmen are available at a price i'd be comfortable with the leafs paying. Vatenen maybe because Anaheim is stacked with solid dmen and d prospects but wed still have to give up JVR + 1 or 2 of those guys you listed. I would actually prefer lou leaves the team as is until the trade deadline so leafs brass can evaluate what they have, who needs to be cut, who needs to be kept, traded, or sent to the Marlies. Plus if they added another core defensive piece this season that would mean no protection for one of Carrick/Carrado/Marincin. If the leafs wait until post-expansion draft to go after a top pairing dman they can keep those guys to fill out the depth. i'm personally hoping for one more year in the bottom 5 so we can draft Riley's top pair and have all of the core pieces in place. That's only my opinion though. I just see: Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Soshnikov, Hyman, Riley, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Anderson as being core pieces moving forward Kapanen, JVR, Komarov, bozak, Timashov, Loov, Brown, Leivo are all solid players but I consider them maybes for various reasons.

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24 Aug 2016 15:54:05
Agreed, sit back with what you have and see who is going to be part of the future core, who is going to provide more value via trade and who needs more time with the Marlies.

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17 Aug 2016 14:11:15
@lab16 I attacked you directly because you gave me nothing else to comment on initially, that is my point.

I agree about the veterans needig to be put in the press box but history suggests that is not happening. If I could have the lineup exactly how i'd like it to be there would be no greening, no Michalek, no lupul, no Holland and Hyman, Brown, Rychel, kappanen and even Timashov would all get solid time on the ice. But i'm trying to project what their lineup will actually look like to start the season.

Im telling you look up Soshnikov's player profile, he is listed as a RW. that's fine if he can play LW or is better there. No problem with me but i'm not an idiot for lining him up there is my point.

I agree about Carrick I like his play I think he's the 4th best D they have (Reily, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Carrick [Zaitsev i'm hoping will be better than Gardiner]). But I don't think he is going to get 2nd pairing minutes. Again, we want the leafs losing a bunch of games this season. We need one more season of bottoming out so we can draft a dman in the top 10 hopefully top 5. Slotting Hunwick in on the second pairing, or playing shitty veterans helps the leafs lose.

Maybe Martin plays on a line with Nylander and Matthews. That is fine. But what I am telling you is Babcock was quoted saying he is going try the 3 rookies on a line together. So again, that is my reasoning for putting them there. Knee on knees and hard checks are not prevented by having Martin on the ice with them. What is he going to do? Jump in front of a hit aimed for Nylander? No he is there to either prevent something through intimidation or to react if shit goes down. You don't need him on a line with the kids to do that.

My point is the lineup I posted is 1) what I feel is a realistic projection based on the currently constructed roster. i'm not slotting in potential free agent signings or trades because those haven't happened yet. 2) based on the leafs intent to lose again next year while still improving and 3) i'm no fool, I didn't throw together my fantasy lineup, it is not a reflection of what I think they should do, rather, it is what I think they will do barring a trade or FA signing (hoping for vessey)

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16 Aug 2016 15:48:04
@lab16

1) my mistake, I did not write in this lineup with accurate wing and D positions. I was hoping their sides of the ice would be assumed. I take responsibility for that.

2) martin will not play on a line with Matthews and Nylander because he is no way capable of playing to their skillset. 20 goals? He hit a career high of 11 last year. The kids do not need a protector on their line, the protector simply needs to be in the lineup so other teams know there will be consequences for roughing up the kids. Like I've already stated in my responses to other comments: the only reason I have the kids together is because Babcock said he was going to try them out on the same line.

3) Of course Lupul is a joke. I only have him in my lineup because if he starts the season healthy the leafs have no choice but to play him. I don't like it anymore than you do.

4) I admittedly forgot about Rychel I can see him getting looks on either of the bottom two lines.

5) of course IF Vessey signs with the leafs I expect him to be in the lineup, however he has not signed with the leafs so why would I write him in? Clearly this lineup configuration is based on the leafs current roster.

6) I have rubbish veterans in this lineup because they are on the roster. They are yet to be traded. Which means they will likely start the season on the ice unfortunately. The leafs cannot send all of Holland, Laich, Michalek and Greening to the press box. They are there to make the rookies compete for roster spots until the trade deadline.

7) Again, this lineup post is based on the leafs current roster. They have not signed a backup yet. Until then they have one option behind Anderson -- Sparks. I am a propenent of them going after a vet backup because sparks is not ready.

8) Hunwick on the second D pair may be a stretch but I don't think Gardiner and Polak compliment eachother's style of play and just like Hunwick, Polak is a 5/6 dman so either way you slice it someone is having to play above their skillset. Hunwick had time on the top pair with Phaneuf last season so i'm assuming he'll get looks with Gardiner.

9) Soshnikov is a RW

10) Your posts clearly have not caught my attention yet but I will keep my eyes peeled in the future. Though you have an arrogant way of writing, I appreciate the detail.

11) My comment back was equal to your initial shallow comment. It was crafted with the same attention you gave to your "realistically all wrong!" comment. I respond with the same level of respect that is given to me as is evidenced by this response to your more detailed breakdown of my lineup.

Once more, I will admit to mistake and own up to shortsighted arguments but I do not think my lineup is as egregious as you state. Especially considering my criteria: working with the roster as it stands currently. If the leafs snag vessey or move a vet, my lineup construction will absolutely change.

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14 Aug 2016 17:55:35
@86PA86 not sure about Soshnikov and Brown but I do see Brown getting quality looks throughout the season

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