Leafs talk 3

22 Dec 2025 12:57:40
If they had of played as hard as they did last night all season, they would easily be in a playoff spot and I doubt we are talking about slumps with Matthews and Nylander and those two would have probably buried some of those chances last night. They looked like a playoff team last night.

Tuesday will be very interesting. Do they play just as hard knowing that if they do, wins will come. OR, do they fold because they tried hard in a game and still couldn't get it done. Next game will either confirm what we have thought about their character or show they are willing to work hard to get out of this, (at least for a bit).

22 Dec 2025 02:10:06
Keep hearing this tank for McKenna talk from Leafs fans.

I'm not sure that's even possible. If you trade everyone and go full tank this years pick is protected, next one will not be. You might be keeping the number three and losing the 1st oa to Boston or Philly in the near future.

I'm not sure what exactly I would do to remedy this situation, but tanking cannot be on the table for 2 more years.

22 Dec 2025 11:09:52
@LL if they can secure a good prospect this year I’d be fine with it because the hope would be that it’s a one off season and then the 2028 season if your not close you can dump Matthews for a good return and the hope would be whoever you picked this year is on the team by then… it would be very unacceptable if we hand Boston a 6-10 pick if their bad this year lean into it.

22 Dec 2025 12:51:51
If tanking Matthews has to go too. Typically you're trading at least Matthews and Nylander (Rielly if possible) . Asking two of Tanev, OEL, Carlo and McCabe if they would like to go as they are going rebuild. Need to reach the cap floor and ice some vets, so Domi, Maccelli, JT, etc probably they keep.

22 Dec 2025 02:03:34
Change is coming, berube is fired, followed by gm, it's over, id keep knies,nylander,mcaabe,Tavares,Roy
Cowan,laughton, I know u guys will hate this but jarnkrok,woll,oel,mcmaan, everyone else gd bye, deadline deals for matthews is how we get max return well for everyone we get rid of, tank..Hackensack, and we're back gd in two years..I knew it..

21 Dec 2025 23:53:10
Rlf your matthews trade to the Sharks was the best proposal I seen you make..I too was saying matthews should be traded to the sharks...I read proposals on here everyday and im not that greatest on proposals but I always know what the trades should be centering around..it's Def time for a major retool and it will be done, but im telling u all right now berube and reliving must go..I knew from the minute they brought this gm in and this coach in that leafs would be terrible...this season is lost so we must trade matthews but people don't give up on nylander, like I said he just doesn't wanna play for berube that's why he's not trying, but still leads are team and he's a top winger..but teams must have a top center who wants to play...it's time to tank..the league needs the leafs revenue and there starting to have empty seats, so something drastic is coming for leafs to on a great path for next season..berube sitting Cowan changing the lines daily out of desperation, doesn't allow chemistry to build guys a moron and both tree and berube c f.o

21 Dec 2025 21:17:50
I'll put money on it they trade nylander, but that would be the dumbest thing they could do he's just not playing like all the other players, they gave up on playing for berube, not cause he can't play..berube has ruined this team along with treliving...if they get a new coach, I bet things would change, then if it don't tree has to go...I say get rid of all coaches and gm.now.

22 Dec 2025 02:07:49
They had a much improved tesm last year. I'm sure they gave up on Berube, but I haven't hated what Tre has done.

21 Dec 2025 17:11:58
lol morgan gets walked
Again
As useless as they come
Waivers?
Anyone anyone???

Cringeworthy watching him play in his own end
I'd keep Tavares
Punt the Prima Donnas Matthews and melander
Get quality prospects and or draft picks

Trade McCabe and of course rielly and carlo
Even trade Woll
Rebuild is on
Tank for mckenna

21 Dec 2025 15:05:02
I think if the Leafs do manage to get one of the 3 to waive their NMC, that the return isn't going to be what some think it will be.
Let's look at it from the other teams perspective. With the way Matthews, Nylander and Rielly are playing, why would they want to give up a ton for any of these 3. We aren't talking last years version or 2 years ago version of these guys. What matters is the now version. And I find it hard to believe any team is giving up what some are suggesting.
Matthews is on pace for under 40 goals and 65 point pace.
Rielly has points, but a bigger liability defensively than he used to be.
Willy is on pace for almost a 100 points, but only 30 goals and done nothing for a while.

If you are another GM, are you really offering top dollar for one of these guys right now? Have to take cap hits into account as well. Are any of them worth their money the way they are playing?

I can't imagine a top prospect+top NHLer+a 1st and multiple picks/prospects for Matthews or Nylander right now.

I am not convinced Leafs could get Byfield, Clarke and Greentree for Matthews right now. Would LA really think Matthews helps them more than Byfield and Clarke are. Nevermind giving up Greentree as well.

Not convinced we could get Misa+ for Nylander right now. They might because of the assets they have. That said, why would SJ want to do that given the way Willy is playing and pay also him $11.5M. They will have some big contracts they need to hand out soon enough to Celebrini, Smith, Dickinson.

Contract taken into consideration, I think Rielly's worth is something like Kane and a B/B+ prospect say from Vancouver. Why would someone give more when taking on that contract with the way he is playing.

The current version of these guys matter.

I know some disagree and think they are still worth a big haul. I hope they are right.

21 Dec 2025 17:30:49
Depends what people expect. After 69g Mathews would have gotten a Hughes type return I'm sure. As is though, I don't see a big return either. Rielly i think has very little value especially.

I'm not sure what you do without Mathews specifically either. He's still a 1C and needs to be replaced.

21 Dec 2025 18:34:11
RLF

in my view the current version of both Matthews and Nylander get the Leafs a Quinn-like return.

They are young, proven and have term and the cap is going up!

Teams have shown over and over again that they will pay the ransom at the trade deadline.

Reilly’s current version is less attractive because of his age and deficiency in stopping goals but would still a decent return. Again IMO perhaps marginally better than the Kane and B+ prospect.

Of course, nobody knows for certain but as each game and loss ticks by I’m ready to rebuild on the fly.

The window is closed!

21 Dec 2025 19:20:55
Rsears.
I hope you are right about the returns they could get. If I was a GM on another team and knew that the Leafs have made it clear they are open to offers on anyone, I would want to try and fleece them huge.

Yes, Hughes got a very good return, not one was as high a draft pick or calibre as he is though and he is only 26 with a year and a half at $7.85M. Rielly makes almost that. For a D, Hughes is a steal.
Willy makes $11.5M
Matthews $13.25M

That is an extra $3.7M-$5.4M a team has to take on. Doubt anyone sees either of them as a steal atm.

Man, I hope you are right because they do not show any signs of turning this around. The supporting guys can only do so much. The top guys have to start contributing like they should and it doesn't look likely to happen.

21 Dec 2025 02:35:00
Berube is gone. He has to be. The players literally look like they're on strike

21 Dec 2025 11:54:53
I’m starting to think he’s striking against them as well why else would he continue to break up line that work well and throw the same lines out that don’t.

21 Dec 2025 13:26:51
I don't get all the constant line changes either and insisting on certain players being glued to each other. Matthews and Knies are glued together. Hasn't worked well. Nylander and Tavares glued together. Hasn't really worked well. Roy line does work, so let's keep breaking them up. Laughton and Lorentz work well, so sit Lorentz.
I don't have a lot of complaints about Berube, but the constant line changes is the big one.
Also, not sure if you guys remember Keefe also saying when it comes to effort and compete its not like they don't talk to them about it.
I think we are seeing the results of the core 3 that are just done here after 10 years of not getting it done. Last playoff was the final straw. They had their chance, but were too mentally weak to get over the hump. Berube is right about mindset and Tre right about DNA imo.

21 Dec 2025 18:37:34
Agreed so let’s blow it up.
Tank, win the draft lotto and start with McKenna.

21 Dec 2025 02:01:28
I don't know if the Management for the Leafs can stop players from going to the Olympics unless they have an injury.

But if they can I would tell Matthews and Nylander that they can't go.


This would piss them off the then hopefully they would waive their IRON CURTAIN OF A TRADE CLAUSE.

WHICH SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN!
Players should be given a base salary and incentive bonuses upon production, these cry baby players today only play when they feel like it and all there to just make the large contract that these idiot teams throw at them.

The game is broken and so are the Leafs .

20 Dec 2025 23:52:49
A decent effort here in the first.

Very nice passing on first goal.

Maccelli looked quite decent! If you hope to trade him they need to showcase him.

Jarnkrok seems too jumpy to properly handle the puck. Missed a tap-in even with the rolling puck.

But it’s the Predators!

21 Dec 2025 14:44:40
I said before the game if they don't show compete in the 1st period, I am turning it off. I agree, I thought they competed in the 1st. Then the 2nd period was same old same old. Then in the 3rd it is wait until down a goal and finally start to ramp it up.
These guys just don't have it. They seem to have no desire to compete for 60 mins. An attitude I just can't relate to. I can't imagine being in prime years of physical ability, playing a sport and not wanting or needing to do your best. It baffles me.

21 Dec 2025 18:44:05
Unfortunately you’re correct!
And what does this behaviour teach to Cowan?
Send him back to the AHL to not expose him to this charade.
Let Maccelli play instead and build some value.
Honestly trade 80% of the team and rebuild.

19 Dec 2025 20:53:33
If leafs give up the farm for schenn and Binnington...I will throw every leafs memorabilia i got in the trash..im sick of berube wanting his 2019 Stanley cup players on the leafs..leafs need to trade berube and tree to some foreign league to get them Tf out of here..matthews and rielly Carlo maccelli and stolarz need to go with them..rielly and matthews have let me down, Carlo and stolarz dont wanna be here and maccelli needs echl cause that's all hes good for..leafs get rid of Cowan knies or danford, im hitching to t.o and open hand bitch slapping tree....I knew this team was going to choke..there in a desperate spot, and nothing gd comes from it...ill pray for a 360 but I doubt it.

19 Dec 2025 21:43:28
You mean that you would pray for a 180, not 360. A 360 brings them right back to where they started from.