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11 Mar 2017 23:58:52
Draft:
To LEAFS: P.MYERS (RD) + G.RUBSTOV (C) + 2017 1st round pick
To FLYERS: JVR (LW)
Draft FOOTE (RD) and HAGUE (LD)
I tweeked this one a bit
Thoughts?
1.) 12 Mar 2017 06:59:45
It is probably going to be foote who they draft with their pick. Teams are starting to fallout of playoffs Philadelphia Florida buffalo. Tampa have severe injury problems leafs were mostly flat against Hurricanes but still pulled it out these next two games are crucial in Florida they need to have jump.
2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:00:41
So, you tweaked your garbage deal by upping the 2nd to a first.
Garbage and a 1st is still not good enough a return for JVR.
I can't believe that all these deals for JVR, have just him only in the deal. The Leafs have cap space, a bevy of experienced players and RW prospects to deal with him; and most of the these trades have just JVR.
That's a pretty myopic understanding of the trade process.
3.) 12 Mar 2017 16:42:51
Would be nice to draft Foote or Hague.
4.) 13 Mar 2017 08:04:35
If Leafs trade JVR, it will be to the Ducks where a trade makes the most sense. In order for Jvr. to have value, he needs to play with a center like Getzlaf
Return could be as much as Josh Manson or Shea Theodore and a first round draft pick. That would be best case scenario.
11 Mar 2017 03:27:34
should the Leafs keep JVR?
If not at the deadline:
To LEAFS: P.MYERS (RD) + G.RUBSTOV (C) + 2017 2nd round pick
To FLYERS: JVR (LW)
FLYERS: They desperately want to win and don't want to be a maybe wild card team. And former FLYER JVR fills their needs.
LEAFS: MYERS is 6"5 RD and RUBSTOV is 6"2 and both fills the leafs need in a good centre and Right handed d prospects.
Thoughts?
1.) 11 Mar 2017 04:18:24
Sorry not deadline. The draft I meant.
2.) 11 Mar 2017 14:21:45
Not bad, but then the Leafs have a hole at LW.
3.) 11 Mar 2017 14:31:00
That's garbage for JVR.
Myers 0 NHL games; 0 AHL games; middling Dman - no thanks, might not even make the NHL.
Rubstov 0NHL games; 0 AHL games; 0 KHL points - no thanks, Sosh had 28 pts in the AHL last year, 32 points in the KHL. Rubstov is low end.
And a 2nd rounder?
Not even close.
4.) 11 Mar 2017 15:17:42
Lab
Get your stats right. Both of these guys are doing really good in qmjhl. Myers has 28 points in 30 games and RUBSTOV has 22 points in 16 games.
So your saying BRACCO might not even make the NHL? Because he has 0NHL and 0AHL games?
You are trashing Young players already saying they won't even make the NHL?
What do you want? JVR for Mcdavid and a 1st?
5.) 11 Mar 2017 15:19:27
The Leafs will see what it will take to re-sign JVR this off season and if the price is too high, they'll look to trade him. The best trade partner's are Anaheim, NYI, Minn, Wash, WNG and Nash.
The package is 3 pieces, a top prospect and 1st plus another piece depending on quality of top prospect. Or roster player and possibly something.
Best possible trades
To TOR: F - M. Jones + D - B. Montour + 2018 1st round pick
or
To TOR: F - M. Dal Colle + D - R. Pulock + 2018 1st round pick
or
To TOR: D - M. Dumba + 2018 2nd round pick
or
To TOR: D - M. Bowey + 2018 1st round pick + 2019 2nd round pick
or
To TOR: LW - K. Conner + D - L. Green + 2018 1st round pick
or
To TOR: D - D. Fabbro + 2018 1st round pick + 2019 2nd round pick.
6.) 11 Mar 2017 15:22:59
Lab
Do you even get the process in making the NHL? Or do you just talk? Young prospects in their 18-20s can't all make the NHL they have to DEVELOPE! In order to grow and be an NHLer something you don't know.
7.) 11 Mar 2017 16:54:31
Lab said 'he may not make the NHL'. Which is true, you guys always grade players so high and assume their skills will carry over to the NHL. You're example, Bracco, has never played hockey against men. He's smaller than Marner. He could turn out to be great in NHL, maybe he never finds his game at the AHL, we don't know. In your trade we're giving up an elite NHL LW for players we don't even know will make our roster. Lab is right, this is garbage.
8.) 11 Mar 2017 22:12:47
I think the trade is ok, for a LW of JvR caliber though you would want something solid, a roster player to help. I like both prospects and think trading for potential isn't a bad thing, as long as you get something you can use with that potential. Seeing as how potential is not a guarantee. I would say make that pick a 1st rounder and it's a deal, at least you got 3 young pieces to see what may happen.
9.) 12 Mar 2017 12:50:54
@Cheese
1) The GP stats above are dead on correct. If you don't know the difference between games played and scoring stats, I can't help you. Sosh's scoring stats are dead on correct and make the point clearly, to which you just ignore or don't understand. Rubtsov did squat in the KHL, and mediocre in the MHL.
2) Myers currently sits 35th in scoring among Q Dmen. I don't even want to bother to look at where he sits in the CHL as a whole. You think that's doing well for a behemoth playing among boys? It's even too small a sample size to judge how well he will do over a whole season. He was passed over by 30 GM's including the one that eventually gave him a tryout and signed him with "nothing to lose". There are scores of similar CHL Dmen who get to the AHL and fail, let alone the NHL.
3) My prediction is that Myers will be nothing better than a 3rd pair Dman at best. That's not something you trade an elite like JVR for. All the best for him (I believe he's still injured), but he's clearly not the next Chris Pronger.
4) German currently sits 133rd in the Q among forwards. However by PPG he sits 12th, not bad, but nothing special, especially for such a small sample of games in the run and gun QMJHL where defence takes a back seat to brawls and wide open scoring.
5) Bracco is a play maker and a sniper at the OHL level, but the rest of his game is what determines whether he makes the NHL or not. He has his lack of size against him, and he hasn't even made the AHL yet.
But he's got some consistent, serious talent and will move up to the AHL next season. He led the league for quite some time at the beginning of the year. But NONE of that guarantees him a trip to the NHL.
6) Neither Myers nor Rubtsov (Rub) have a body of work that is large enough to determine their future worth. A small sample of games proves only that they haven't played enough and that's alarming at their age.
Rub cold be good or could be a 1st round bust (see Yakapov, Patrik Stephan, Scott Scissons, Brian Lawton, Hugh Jessiman, everyone's favorite poster boy "Alexander Daige" and a massive list of other lower 1st round failures; including near the slot at where Rub was picked (Example Tyler Biggs; a big winger, 22nd OA in 2011 now playing in the ECHL; never making the NHL, not even one game. ) . And all of them had a better track record than Rub.
7) Take a look at TO Bud's list of deals; all better deals than your deal; where your deal is clearly not good enough of a return for JVR, hence a "garbage deal".
I don't know if the Leafs want to wait for NCAA Fabbro though. Note: the Minny deal might be a little light considering what they gave up for Hanzal; a player no better than Bozak whom everyone thinks is worth a 2nd at best.
8) The same deal has been posted repeatedly by others for over half a year, in various forms, and it hasn't gained any traction. The deal isn't good enough for JVR; and the Leafs and Flyers just don't make good trading partners. The Leafs and Flyers haven't made a deal since we burned them to get JVR (5 years ago) . Pushing a deal with the Flyers is just a useless waste of time.
09 Mar 2017 22:04:43
Leafs need to improve our centre core and d
Draft targets:
Foote(RD)
Hague(LD)
Glass(C)
Anderson(C)
Free agents leafs should keep in mind:
Shattenkirk( not going to come and will ask too much but worth a try for the right price)
Alzner( big upgrade better than Gardiner)
Widemen
Stone
Who else?
1.) 10 Mar 2017 03:17:39
The Leafs should sign undrafted C - Z. MacEwan as a potential 2nd/ 3rd line C. Has good size at 6'4 212 lbs and has produced well in the Q.
2.) 10 Mar 2017 03:34:00
Vancouver already signed him. But another guy is Beauchemin playing in Charlottetown, could be a steal as he seems to be a late bloomer blossoming now.
3.) 10 Mar 2017 03:58:40
Didn't realize they did. That sucks. The other guy would be good too!
4.) 10 Mar 2017 05:17:15
K. MacDermid. Ontario Reign (AHL) LA Kings system
6'5" LHD 23yrs. tough as nails. Hunwick will be gone this season.
5.) 10 Mar 2017 05:18:15
Alzner could be target in free agency.
6.) 10 Mar 2017 13:57:12
Ferm
Nielson is expected to replace hunwick after this season.
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11 Mar 2017 15:22:59
Lab
Do you even get the process in making the NHL? Or do you just talk? Young prospects in their 18-20s can't all make the NHL they have to DEVELOPE! In order to grow and be an NHLer something you don't know.
11 Mar 2017 15:17:42
Lab
Get your stats right. Both of these guys are doing really good in qmjhl. Myers has 28 points in 30 games and RUBSTOV has 22 points in 16 games.
So your saying BRACCO might not even make the NHL? Because he has 0NHL and 0AHL games?
You are trashing Young players already saying they won't even make the NHL?
What do you want? JVR for Mcdavid and a 1st?
11 Mar 2017 04:18:24
Sorry not deadline. The draft I meant.
10 Mar 2017 23:13:13
Will never happen in a million years.
10 Mar 2017 18:29:28
David
So kadri and Martin are our only foward vets? You do realize our team can't just be filled with young players?
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