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16 Jul 2018 15:19:42
Edmonton trade Matt Benning

Leafs trade Brown

Looks like brown is going to be odd man out soon

Marleau Taveras Marner
Hyman Matthews Nylander
Johnsson kadri Kapanen
Leivo Lindholm Grundstrom

Oilers have done nothing they need cheap forwards. Brown could play with Mcdavid

Benning could play leafs second paring right side


1.) 16 Jul 2018 16:42:14
I don’t see Edmonton jumping on this trade David. Afternoon larsson, they have no one for RHD themselves, and Benning is working out rather well for them. Brown on McDavid’s line is a bit of a stretch, but who knows. They’ve played together in the past, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Brown could play the same role Hyman does for Matthews.

I think Benning is a good kid. Big bodied and hits a lot, which are two things I like to see. Sound defensively, he was on the positive side of +/ - on a porous Edmonton team. His ATOI is a little low. I think if we acquired him, he would be our third line RHD for a year, and then get boosted to top line if he can handle the duties.


2.) 16 Jul 2018 16:51:20
Leafgm

I did notice Edmonton are weak on right side but they have done nothing so far. Missing playoffs and their GM is toast so I feel oilers would make that trade or do leafs add carrick

Leafs trade Brown Carrick

Oilers trade Benning.


3.) 16 Jul 2018 17:42:06
Adding Carrick might be a big enough worm for Edmonton to take the bait. Who knows. Lol. I’m very curious as to what Edmonton does myself. In my honest opinion, I thought a shakeup of some sort was in order. A depth move such as this doesn’t really improve the team. Considering they have the world’s best player on the team, I would think they would be looking at making a move to provide McDavid with elite level talent, not someone like Brown, who is a fourth line winger on our team.

Edmonton really needs to get their rubbish together. I don’t think this trade is what they need, but it does have its appeal for both sides. It’s something they would at least have to consider.


4.) 16 Jul 2018 18:09:40
LeafsGM

oilers 5 million cap space who can they move out and nurse needs to be signed . He takes the 5 million I’m sure. So oilers need cheap players like brown who can go high in lineup. Are oilers a playoff team as is?


5.) 16 Jul 2018 19:03:13
Oilers have a lot of money invested in their defense. My guess is that they dump a couple of their higher prices older defensemen, not the younger and cheaper guys like Benning or Nurse.


6.) 16 Jul 2018 22:16:04
I don’t know much about the Oiler player mentioned but if I were the Leafs, I would continue to preach patience and hold onto Brown. I don’t see him as an odd man out. Davidmackin, I think I would have Brown higher up on the depth chart than Grundstrom and Leivo.


7.) 17 Jul 2018 13:20:36
The Leafs are not going to trade Brown. This kid inked a very team friendly deal. Competes all the time he's on the ice and is just an exemplary team mate. They'll ride out his deal and see what happens in a few years.


8.) 18 Jul 2018 02:32:39
Torontobuds,
Totally agree with your assessment of Brown. Toronto needs players like him to help fill out their roster. He’s on a very reasonable contract. He’s also a player that could easily move up in the line up. Not every time has the same forward versatility as the Leafs presently do.

Hyman is another player, who’s often thrown in so many trade proposals and yet he brings a number of intangibles to the Leafs. Hyman also played well during these past playoffs.

I’d rather the Leafs keep a few young, hardworking NHL level guys than be forced to play AHLers because of economics. Here’s hoping they sign Nylander to a reasonable deal.


 

 

10 Jul 2018 00:47:44
Leafs trade 2019 1st round pic Brown leafs could include Gardiner

Wild Dumba

LeafsGm it's starting to look like leafs have pieces to get defencemen of their choosing. It may help that Gardiner is a Minnesota native

Hyman Tavares Marner
Marleau Matthews nylander
Johnson Kadri kapanan
Ennis lindholm Grundstrom
Leivo


1.) 10 Jul 2018 05:26:56
I’ve been trying to work out plausible trades involving Gardiner for other defensemen as well lately David. Looking at teams that can use a player like Gardiner, and has a surplus of defensemen they can send back. Teams that need the immediate help Gardiner can provide without having to wait for a high ranked prospect to develop.

Recently, I’ve suggested Heiskenan, Chabot, Sanheim, Honka, Forbort, and Shattenkirk.

Not sure how I feel about the proposal you have floated here though David. We are giving up a lot for Dumba here. Brown and 1st on top of Gardiner seems like an overpayment, but one I would probably be willing to tender if Wild wanted to take Gardiner off our hands and give us Dumba. You got to give to get.


2.) 10 Jul 2018 13:36:02
That is an overpayment. Statistically speaking Dumba is not superior to Gardiner. The pro's for Dumba, he's younger, better shot. Con's, needs a new deal now. Although, I would definitely want to trade Gardiner for Dumba, you don't need to add a 1st and Brown to that deal.


 

 

06 Jul 2018 22:11:37
Leafs trade brown 2nd round pick 2019

Carolina Faulk

Leafs add Ennis something is brewing in a trade of list below

Brown
Kapanen
Johnson
Grundstrum

Brown is only one that has reached potential he is the one I trade.

Ennis can play on third line if injuries happen

Marleau Matthews nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson kadri Kapanen
Ennis lindholm grundstrom

I don't think you miss brown


1.) 07 Jul 2018 00:08:01
In any scenario I do believe Carolina would prefer Kapanen as he has a higher ceiling. Although, Brown is on a fantastic contract!


2.) 07 Jul 2018 00:53:53
Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson and Grundstrum are all, already, better than Tyler Ennis and many years younger.
I don't care for this signing and use of a Standard Player Contract.
Kyle Dubas' first Dave Nonis type signing.


3.) 07 Jul 2018 02:11:27
You make a good point here Mackin, and I tend to agree with you. I doubt any of the top nine are going to be moved until we see what we have.

Faulk and Brown’s contracts match up well. Faulk buys us another year for Liljegren. Brown deserves to be go be playing more on another team, where he can make a more meaningful contribution.

If we throw Carolina a 4th, we could get Williams’s too. We could have used “Mr. Game 7” against Boston.


4.) 07 Jul 2018 05:48:33
I don't know if the Ennis signing is any more than Dubas buying low on a guy who's shown potential and could have success in a sheltered role. I like it personally, solidifies the bottom six and gives Connor Brown an experienced linemate. With what we saw out of Babs double-shifting Matthews near the end of last year when the Johnsson-Kapanen line was so hot, I'd be shocked if we didn't see more of the same this year. Matthews and Tavares should both be playing 20+ minutes a night, so why not double-shift both of them a couple times a period?

All of that is assuming the Leafs aren't looking to move a winger+ for a defenseman, which to me is only worth it if a quality top-4 RHD comes back this way. A lot to ask for imo, and between Carrick, Holl and Ozhiganov somebody hopefully stands out as deserving some NHL ice-time - likely whoever shows they can be effective on the PK. After all, that's primarily why Polak played over Carrick last year.


5.) 08 Jul 2018 04:59:18
Trading any Leaf players for Justin Faulk is a huge mistake.
Faulk is a "Blackhole" defensively.


6.) 10 Jul 2018 04:11:27
You wish.


 

 

04 Jul 2018 09:06:36
Carolina trade Faulk

Leafs trade 2019 1st and Timashov

Something is brewing in Carolina they just signed DeHann they have 25 million committed to 5 defence men and Van Remsdyk as a RFA.

Leafs need short term answer at right side they have tons of cap space and just cleared Matt Martin 2.5 million .

The question is what price will they pay to get Faulk


1.) 04 Jul 2018 09:29:14
Agreed, they've got one too many defensemen locked up long term. I'd rather grab Pesce - he's young, big, excellent defensively and on a good contract. He could slot in immediately on Reilly's right side and on the PK.


2.) 04 Jul 2018 11:24:12
Carolina has interest into kapenan, so maybe some magic can be worked out.


3.) 04 Jul 2018 11:40:00
I'm all about the Kapanen+ for Pesce bandwagon.


4.) 04 Jul 2018 12:08:33
Nobody wants Faulk. The Islanders can have him. Sandpaper is needed both at forward and on defence if the Leafs have any intention on competing for and winning the Cup.


5.) 04 Jul 2018 17:17:01
I would do Kapanen+ for Faulk and either one of Bean

We get a rental RHD for a couple years, and another highly rated prospect to fill our pipeline and is a year or so ahead of Sandin

Reilly/ Faulk
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
* (Bean/ Liljegren)
** (Sandin/ Rasanen)


 

 

25 Jun 2018 04:59:31
Leafs trade brown Gardiner

Carolina Faulk

Carolina would then flip Gardiner

Leafs seem to be pushing hard for Tavares. They will offer him one year now then work on extending him by January.

Leafs offer 15.9 million 2018-19
Leafs then offer him 11 million over 8 years in January of 2019.

Fitting him in beyond this year will be complicated but it is doable. I assume cap will rise 2019-20 as well that will help leafs


1.) 25 Jun 2018 05:34:45
Interesting proposal David. I was reading an article recently discussing the same or similar type proposals for Tavares as you have suggested hear. The author of the article seemed to indicate that these types of deals were inadvisable for two main reasons: 1). It smells suspiciously like cap manipulation 2) any agent that advises a 1 year deal instead of 7/ 8 years is a fool and should be fired and sued. That’s a huge amount of money we are talking about. In the case of Tavares it’s something like: 8 years at $10M = $80. - $16M 1year = $64M. That’s a whopping amount of cash to be left on the table by signing a one year deal. A lot can happen between now and January, or whenever that extension would be signed. No agent would ever recommend a deal like this to a player, and no player would ever accept one. The NHLPA would never condone this behaviour amongst its members and immediate action wouldn’t be taken to prevent this type of shenanigans from recurring.


2.) 25 Jun 2018 05:37:34
As for the Carolina trade, I think Leafs should pass. Gardiner is still the better player, and is worth more than Faulk alone. Adding Brown only makes the trade worse. Now if you were targeting Hamilton, maybe that would be something to consider.


3.) 25 Jun 2018 06:16:38
LeafsGM I read somewhere leafs could extend Tavares in January 2019 for another 8 years. I don’t know how this is cap manipulation players are allowed to sign one year max deals. Tavares will get insurance in case his career was ended by injury or a bolt of lightning hit him, that solves his risk factor.


4.) 25 Jun 2018 06:26:11
The insurance only covers monies owed until the end of the current contract, which is $16M. So if Tavares suffers season ending injury first game of the season, he’s out $64M big ones. As for cap manipulation, that’s a little to far outside my realm of knowledge for me. Lawyers would be the ones arguing about that. I’m just passing along the information I read in an article somewhere.


5.) 25 Jun 2018 06:57:08
We will see I still think he goes back to islanders.


6.) 25 Jun 2018 15:54:14
Leafs GM Tavares can enter into an insurance contract for potential earnings for remainder of his career--not just the value of the current contract.

This is not uncommon through various sports and other endeavours (musicians buying insurance policies for their voices, etc. ) . Insurers will insure just about anything if the price is right.


7.) 25 Jun 2018 17:35:30
Really? I’ve never heard of such a thing. How do they even begin to estimate how much he’s going to earn for the remainder of his career? Nobody has a clue how long his career is going to be and how good he’s going to be, so therefore how much he is going to be earning.

I’m going to have to take your word for it. You’ve always put up insightful posts and seem to know what you’re talking about. I’m obviously not an expert. Just regurgitating what I read.


8.) 25 Jun 2018 17:46:23
FT4A

It appears you are correct. I just read another article TSN posted yesterday on the same subject, and it seems that Tavares could buy the insurance, even without the extension actually being in place.

I have no idea how it all works, but I think you nailed it: money talks.


9.) 25 Jun 2018 19:37:27
Yeah I work in finance so pretty familiar with various insurance products. There is definitely some subjectivity regarding the math (as you said trying to figure out how much he could earn in the future and working backwards from that) but it is really no different from a singer insuring her vocal cords based on how much money she can make from record deals, performing at concerts, etc.

At the end of the day, insurance is just a bet on whether or not something will happen. And as long as the insurance broker feels that the premium paid outweighs the risk/ probability of that "something" happening and it will be profitable for them, they will do it.

It would not be cheap, but based on $15.9 mln for one season Tavares could most certainly afford it!


10.) 26 Jun 2018 10:01:05
Trading Gardner for Faulk is like trading a LH clone for a RH clone.
Besides Gardner is already better than Faulk.
Adding Brown just adds insult to injury.


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2018 18:09:40
LeafsGM

oilers 5 million cap space who can they move out and nurse needs to be signed . He takes the 5 million I’m sure. So oilers need cheap players like brown who can go high in lineup. Are oilers a playoff team as is?


 

 

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16 Jul 2018 16:51:20
Leafgm

I did notice Edmonton are weak on right side but they have done nothing so far. Missing playoffs and their GM is toast so I feel oilers would make that trade or do leafs add carrick

Leafs trade Brown Carrick

Oilers trade Benning.


 

 

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15 Jul 2018 21:49:14
Why would Detroit make that trade. The heat is getting to you buddy.


 

 

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10 Jul 2018 16:41:49
LeafsGm

Kucherov just signed 9-5 million 8 years. Do you think 8 million 8 years for marner I think that’s the number. Nylander 6.5 million 8 years Mathews 10 million 8 years thoughts.


 

 

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09 Jul 2018 00:32:14
Dave watts

Lets look Pittsburgh playoffs last year

Crosby 20:18
Malkin. 18:57
Sheehan 15:35
Brassard 13:29

Your giving Kadri 10 min ice time

Give me a break

Kadri gets 15 plus minutes a game.


 

 

 

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