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16 Oct 2018 18:19:44
Drawing a little bit from the Kessel-to-Toronto trade here

Leafs trade Willy
Coyotes trade Pierre-Oliver Joseph, 1st rd pick 2019, 1st rd pick 2020

P. O. Joseph is a big, gritty, mobile junior defender who will take some seasoning but could blossom into a 2nd/ 3rd pairing D and would make the Marlies next year. Both 1st round picks would probably be lottery picks. The two 1sts Boston got from TO for Kessel turned into Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton, and with Dubas being an excellent scouting talent I have no doubt he'd put them to good use. This would also free up Doobs to spend more at the deadline for two straight years, knowing he still has a high draft pick he can lean on.

The Coyotes really suck and need an infusion of talent. Willy's immediately their best player, and should elevate the scoring around him. Just not enough to win games muahaha.

Thoughts? I know the coyotes would probably want to send some bigger contract back, but I'm choosing to opt out of that.

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1.) 16 Oct 2018 19:02:27
Very similar to the Brayden Schenn deal as well, which landed Philly very highly rated prospects Frost and Farabee. It frees up cap space and brings in futures, while dumping Nylander on a team where he can’t come back to hurt us. It’s a pretty safe trade that demonstrates astute cap and asset management. Dubas’ record at draft stands for itself. We could end up getting a couple players of equal or better caliber than Nylander if everything goes right.


2.) 16 Oct 2018 19:47:53
Arizona will NOT be giving up their first round picks for the next 5 years or so.


3.) 16 Oct 2018 20:49:36
Why not, it's not like they use them.


4.) 16 Oct 2018 22:11:08
Ohhh burn, you got me there, but seriously I highly dought this trade goes down because the leafs could probably get 2 more Nylanders with those picks since the leafs will have them and not the coyotes, so no bad picks will actually be made.


5.) 17 Oct 2018 04:01:05
@mostleaf I'm not sure I understand your argument. I agree that there's the possibility of getting 2 very good players at those spots, but as Hrenklin pointed out, Arizona has a tendency of missing on those picks. Maybe they go for the sure thing in Nylander instead of bringing in another Dlyan Strome, Nick Merkley, Brendan Perlini, Max Domi, Henrik Samuelsson, Mikkel Boedker, Connor Murphy, Brandon Gormley. Though Turris (gone), Keller and OEL were good picks. The jury's still out on Hayton, Chychrun and Joseph. Heck of a lot more misses than hits. In conclusion, Arizona sucks at drafting. A sure thing in Willy would probably be of more use to them than 2 1sts and Pierre-Oliver Joseph. Keller-Dvorak-Nylander would be a pretty juicy top line for them.


6.) 17 Oct 2018 04:02:19
Sorry, that's Keller-Stepan-Nylander.


7.) 17 Oct 2018 04:33:31
Hrenklin brings up a good point here, and it makes me wonder how teams like Arizona, and even more so, Edmonton, can continually draft all these busts? Is it the scouts? I don’t really think so, because there are so many analysts, and consensus seems to reach an agreement on where these players fall. Is it the players? Again, I don’t really think so, as these guys all played exceptionally well enough at the highest levels available to them to impress the scouts enough to be drafted high. Is it the coaches after draft not developing them or using them properly? This seems to hold the most truth in my eyes, as gm’s tend to draft the best player available regardless of position without necessarily taking into account what the team needs most. As a result, a lot of players get buried behind other players of the same position, while open positions on the team remain unfilled. Look at Vegas: all those guys were given up on by their old team. And yet look what they accomplished. If we waive Leivo, could he be the next William Karlsson because we misused him this whole time simply because of how deep we are in wing? Look at Taylor Hall: seems really fishy that once he got out of Edmonton he has a career year and wins the Hart Trophy on a team not known for offense and without anyone near McDavid or Draisaitl’s capability.

So how exactly is it possible for these guys to keep drafting busy after bust after bust and never get better, while a team like Toronto can snag three good draft picks and turn themselves into cup contenders seemingly over night? It’s hard to believe that less than three years ago, the captain of this team was Dion Phaneuf. Who I hated almost as much as No Skill Gill.


 

 

11 Oct 2018 20:38:11
Leafs trade Will Nylander
Wild trade Luke Kunin, Greg Pateryn, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick

Pateryn's on a sweet little contract and brings some excellent defensive zone ability to a blueline in need. Kunin projects as a very good middle 6 centre or right winger and is cost-controlled for years. The draft picks are something we know Dubas will put to good use.

Minnesota needs some high end scoring to push them over the edge in the playoffs, and they don't surrender much off the roster. The new Wild GM gets to make a move to bet on the current roster while also helping the club's future.

I think this trade is a win for both clubs.

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1.) 12 Oct 2018 00:38:25
I like it. We save money, bring in immediate help on defense, bring in a high end prospect that can replace Kadri and/ or Tavares in the long term, plus we get the picks. It helps us now and in the future.

I don’t think Leafs are going to get a straight up 1:1 trade and will likely need to settle for a package similar to this.

Not sure Minny can afford Nylander and his obnoxious salary demands though. Would have to take a cap dump coming our way of some sort?


 

 

05 Oct 2018 22:58:41
Leafs trade Willbag Nylliwanker, Trevor Moore

Carolina trades Brett Pesce, Julien Gauthier

Pesce's 6yr, 4M contract brings some much-needed stability to the Leafs D from a cap perspective, and his proven play supporting an offensive player like Slavin could provide balance to Reilly's style of play. Gauthier is an explosive playmaking winger with size as an added bonus. Moore is added as a solid depth piece who could play 4th line today for Carolina and balances the value.

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1.) 06 Oct 2018 03:59:00
I like it. Pesce is basically a much younger Hainsey, and he really would slot in nice beside Reilly. Mostleaf has been suggesting Pesce for a while, and I think he’s a great player. On a team like the Leafs, as opposed to the lowly Canes, his stats would only get better.

Maybe a bit of an overpayment depending on how you view Gaithier, but at this point who cares? We dump Nylander and get two quality players back. Maybe I’m impatient and that’s why I’m not the real GM of the Leafs. I just want Wee Willy gone so we can move on.


2.) 07 Oct 2018 00:16:47
I keep this short

Get er Done.


 

 

27 Sep 2018 18:14:21
I love the idea of trading Willy for Josh Manson, I'm a huge Manson fan and the Perry injury creates a big void on an already-devoid forward group for the Ducks. I'm not sure if they'd be willing to part with Manson as they don't exactly have a top-4-ready RD to replace him. That being said,

Leafs trade Nilly Wylander

Ducks trade Josh Manson, 3rd round pick

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen
Ennis-Kadri-Brown
Johnsson-Lindholm-Leivo

Reilly-Manson
Zaitsev-Gardiner
Dermott-Hainsey

In this scenario, I would keep Ozhiganov in the pressbox and put him in a fairly even-split rotation to both keep Hainsey fresh and let Ozhiganov get his feet wet and ease him into the NHL game. Ozzy seems committed to playing in the NHL and would likely sign a two-year, low-cap contract after this year once a full-time spot opens up. Carrick goes on waivers, and FINGERS CROSSED he gets claimed.

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1.) 27 Sep 2018 20:49:15
Why not just throw Carrick into the trade?


2.) 27 Sep 2018 21:10:01
Sure why not. No need to even up the return if that was something the Ducks requested to make this happen. Negotiation successful.


3.) 27 Sep 2018 21:42:09
Today I would say Nylander and Manson are equal in value. I do however feel that Nylander will be a superstar and his future value is greater than that of Manson. No deal for me from leafs perspective.


4.) 27 Sep 2018 23:28:20
If you're goal is to have 4 superstars with a couple of supporting roles to try to win a cup then Leafs should just stay a course

However, if adding a true need actually wins that cup then losing one superstar is well worth it.


5.) 28 Sep 2018 02:46:29
Manson is an excellent choice. I mean, what’s there to not like about him? Over 30 points and +34 or something crazy like that. Anaheim isn’t exactly offensive powerhouse, so that is not an inflated number generated by forward production either. That’s good defense.


6.) 28 Sep 2018 03:22:06
Don't disagree. But I wonder if signing him and getting a monster year out of him might be more beneficial in a trade scenario.


 

 

22 Sep 2018 10:12:39
Leafs trade Billy Nylander

Avalanche trade Erik Johnson, Vladislav Kamenev, 1st round pick

Colorado is loaded with RD prospects and could look to make room for Timmins and Makar to play. They also need scoring outside their top line, and Landeskog/Nylander could be a great combo if the Avs want to split up their top pair and ice two strong forward lines. They also could keep the top line together and try Willy at C or keep him on the wing and add a huge boost to the 2nd line. The team's already in great cap shape, so retaining Rantanen and Nylander shouldn't be a big issue.

For the Leafs, I'm modelling this after what Montreal got for Paccioretty, which was a very solid return. Willy's value is higher than Patches, so the price is a bit steeper. Johnson solidifies the top 4. Kamenev can play 4C or compete for 3LW, and could be a long-term replacement for either Kadri or Marleau. The extra first round pick would be awesome for Doobs to bring in another solid prospect.

Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Ennis-Kadri-Brown
Johnsson-Kamenev-Leivo

Reilly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Johnson
Dermott-Hainsey

I put Johnson with Gardiner because I think he's best equipped to cover for Gardiner's inevitable lapses in concentration and judgement. He has the size, defensive ability and experience to turn a Gardiner pairing into a force, and could be a mentor for Dermott next year.

While Kapanen may be a downgrade from Willy, he brings tons of speed and opportunistic goal-scoring. He's also very capable of strong o-zone entries because of his speed and gritty style, and has shown that he can make great passes at top-speed. His defensive ability is also greater than Willy's, meaning less time in the D zone. Not that Matthews spends much time in the D zone as is.

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1.) 22 Sep 2018 16:18:34
I don’t know out Johnson. I know I’ve suggested similar proposals myself, but never really felt comfortable doing so. I mean, let’s face it, he’s 30 years old and has five years left at $6M cap hit. He’s a good defenseman, sure, though he never really did live up to expectations. My concern would be that he falls into a rapid decline the next couple years and Leafs get stuck in a situation where they have now lost Nylander, still need a 1RHD, and are also stuck with Johnson’s dump truck of a contract.

We’ve already seen the best Johnson’s has to offer. It only goes downhill from here. If Leafs trade Nylander for 1RHD, I hope it’s for someone approximately the same age who has upside potential.


2.) 23 Sep 2018 00:22:42
That's a legitimate concern. I've always been impressed with Johnson personally. While he's not flashy, he's very consistent and rarely makes mistakes, and doesn't really have any weaknesses to his game. But given the five remaining years on his contract, its not ludicrous to anticipate a decline in years four and five while he's still taking up a big chunk of the cap. Maybe having Colorado retain some salary could offset that, but I would think the deal becomes a lot less apetizing for them under that condition.


 

 

 

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10 Nov 2018 05:14:37
Kaprizov is a solid Russian prospect who scored 9 points in 6 games for OAR in their Gold medal run last year. Plays high minutes on arguably the deepest roster in the KHL (CSKA) . Shoots left but can play both wings, skilled shifty forward type. He'd make a great prospect coming back to the Leafs. Add a pick from MIN, 1st or 2nd, and I think the Leafs do it. Probably a 1st since Minnesota's on pace to be a top playoff team in the West.

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06 Nov 2018 05:46:50
I'd love to snag Gauthier. Very recent first-round pick who would really benefit from a year working with the Leafs skating coaches. Big gritty dude too, just what the Leafs need. Only problem is he doesn't play LW, where we could really use prospects.

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29 Oct 2018 09:07:28
It will be real interesting to see how Lindholm fares in the 3C role for the next few games until big A comes back. If he nails it like I kinda think he will, I could see a lot more of Kadri on the wing happening. The top lines would really benefit from his presence on LW considering the lack of playmaking LWs on the team.

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23 Oct 2018 08:14:56
Leafs need to add. But i like the targets. Also not sure if the Canes give up such a huge chunk of their core on D.

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22 Oct 2018 04:04:08
The roster move they make will be assigning either Marincin or Holl to the Marlies, most likely Holl. Leivo has played well on the 4th line and on the PP, i think he stays in the lineup when Willy comes back. Ennis and Johnsson to the press box.

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