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28 Oct 2019 01:54:25
So here's a rumour:

Leafs wait patiently for Hyman, Dermott and Tavares to come back. Then they patiently wait for Dermott and Hyman to get their skating legs back. They do this instead of making crazy trades and blowing up the roster.

Another rumour:

Leafs management doesn't overreact to a few losses, bears in mind that the last Stanley Cup winners had the worst record in the league in the January (JANUARY) prior to their cup win, and remain patient and trust the process.

I know these are just rumours, but I think there's some serious weight behind them. Perhaps taking these rumours seriously could be of some benefit to neurotic Leafs fans like myself and others


1.) 28 Oct 2019 10:39:22
That just sounds like crazy talk to me MarsBars.

2.) 28 Oct 2019 11:03:36
st. louis also had played way less games than a lot of teams by January. They made up 12 points simply by winning 6 games in hand they had. win% st. louis was a bit better that 50% before their run that they had.

3.) 28 Oct 2019 11:35:36

4.) 28 Oct 2019 11:35:37
If I remember correctly, Buffalo got way out ahead to start last year too, then came back to reality.

It’s still early in the season. Anything can happen. Leafs had a difficult schedule to start the year. Now Tavares is hurt. We are still above .500.

5.) 28 Oct 2019 13:45:29
44-32-6=94 points

thats the pace. so if this is considered a bad start can't wait until they start playing good.

6.) 28 Oct 2019 14:41:57
What did Marty brodeur used to say? Ask me after 82 games.

7.) 28 Oct 2019 16:47:22
Tavares is hurt. He’s injury prone. We should trade him.



24 Oct 2019 21:14:07
Leafs trade Matthews, Tavares, Marner

Bruins trade Pastrak, Marchand, Bergeron

...just thought I'd throw up some serious blasphemy. Anybody need to puke?


1.) 24 Oct 2019 22:23:12
Hahaha not much I can really add to that.

2.) 24 Oct 2019 22:57:05
Well. We would then get past first round.

3.) 25 Oct 2019 02:19:22
Best. Trade. Ever.

4.) 25 Oct 2019 13:10:46
Matthews, tavares and marner will instantly be the new bergeron, marchand, pasternak the second boston plays toronto. nothing will change just the names being mentioned after boston scores. bergeron, marchand and pasternak will all of a sudden look ordinary in a leaf uniform.

Very funny post. well done.



07 Oct 2019 00:16:06
Leafs trade 4th round pick

Arizona trades Eric Comrie

Hutch looked real shaky last night. I get that the Leafs were playing 3 in 4 and they just gassed for a few minutes in the third. But Hutch did look shaky, and he let Jeff Petry score a penalty shot. The Leafs also don't have a clear backup plan in case Freddy goes down, and Comrie has two years of term, which is nice for next year.

I don't buy the Leafs lacking grit. They were laying hits too last night, and they don't seem to get deterred by physicality. Marner actually threw a few hits of his own after taking that big one. Hyman's return will help up the physicality (for those who think it's lacking) and will shift Kapanen back to RW. I think with him, we're seeing that his lack of high-end skill and mediocre hockey IQ is limiting his impact on the left wing.


1.) 07 Oct 2019 02:00:14
Mikheyev should be too line LW. I don't get the reasoning for kappy up there. Same as Spezza should be playing.

I don't mind the trade makes sense in most ways. If Freddy goes down though the leafs are in a world of trouble. They ride him so hard all year because their entire playstyle is predicated on having a great goaltender. No matter the backup J don't see that changing.

2.) 07 Oct 2019 04:24:37
Good trade. I like Hutch though unfortunately his not an adequate back up for a contending team.

3.) 07 Oct 2019 04:30:39
I'm sure Babcock is debating moving one of Mickey and Mooresy up and shifting Kappy down to his 3rd line RW spot, but I imagine he's also hesitant to split up that 3rd line as it's been extremely effective. I'm not sure what I would do, maybe try them both out up there just to see if either can provide a spark with JT and Marner. It'll be Hyman's job in a few weeks anyway, and Moore will unfortunately be relegated to the 4th line.

On that note, agreed about the Spezza comment. He's clearly separated himself from the other forwards in that 4th line rotation and deserves to stay in. But for all we know, Babs is just trying to ease him in amd keep him fresh for later in the year while the team still has pressbox forwards Babs can sub in.

4.) 07 Oct 2019 08:13:44
Lol Marsbar man you really have a lot of faith in Babs don't ya. I had more faith in him a few years ago than I do now. In fact I don't think he would be bench boss right now if Dubas had his way or if he wasn't paid a boatload of cash. 2 new assistants, a bunch of new players, same old ok and PP. Not going to jump the gun and get all riled up 3 games in but he seems pretty stubborn about things. Especially his hate for Spezza.

5.) 07 Oct 2019 11:39:48
Is Comrie better than Hutchison?

if you think he is then not a bad trade although why not deal Hutch and 6th for him then?

6.) 07 Oct 2019 15:10:16
@LeafsLife I do have a ton of faith in Babsy, and I could honestly write a 10,000 word essay on why lol but yeah, I trust the process

@Craigger I'm not advocating replacing Hutch, more so augmenting the goalie room and bringing in competition for Hutch. Competition breeds success - just look at Garrett Sparks. All of his greatest success on the Marlies came with Calvin Pickard nipping at his heels. I think bringing in Comrie just creates a stronger backup position regardless of who wins the #2 job.

7.) 07 Oct 2019 15:58:16
I think Leafs should be looking for BU with the potential to be a starter one day. There’s quite a few teams running tandems 1a/ 1b we could look at, as well, there are a few teams with more than one A-prospect for us to look at.

The most important position on the team, there are a lot of very good goalies out there just waiting to be discovered. The “Diamonds in the Rough” as Dubas calls them. St. Louis found theirs last year. Is it possible Leafs have one and don’t know it yet? They just need their chance?

Right now Andersen is the starter obviously. I’m not confident he can carry the heavy workload of the regular season he has been the last couple years and still bring us deep into playoffs unless he has a reliable le backup to carry the extra 10-12 games a year.

I wonder? Binnington didn’t start playing full time u TIL well into the regular season. Think St. Louis would have won the cup if he played a full year.

8.) 07 Oct 2019 20:23:11
Still don't know why braden halverson didn't get a longer look.

It took mcihinney what 12 years to finally become a backup.
Backups are so hard to judge but finding that diamond usually happens around age 24

Binningtons numbers have always been good. Good numbers seasons wise just injuries i think. however, if he would of been called up in october 2018 while yeo was coach he would be on the waiver wire at least once by now. Thank god for him his team got a new coach and system. he still has shanky games.1 game per series he looked so bad. Even in owen sound he was either hero or zero. nothing inbetween with him. thank got his good lasts 5 games before a dud.

Yeah, I've followed the guy since he was 16.i kinda know his pattern. solid guy and goalie. just needs to work on his dud games a bit.

9.) 08 Oct 2019 00:28:48
Once he gets scored on, he keeps getting scored on is what you’re telling me Craigger?

He might still easily be the next Jim Carey.



02 Oct 2019 15:19:38
Washington trades Pheonix Copley, retain 30%, Brian Pinho

Leafs trade Jeremy Bracco, Kasimir Kaskisuo, 3rd round pick

Very similar to the proposal LeafsGM made last week. Washington kept Samsonov and Copley on their roster, which is telling to me. Seems like Samsonov may be ahead of Copley at this point in the organisation's opinion, but cutting Copley was too risky due to waivers.

Leafs overpay to get that retention and end up with a solid backup with three years on his contract, and a very agreeable cap hit - exactly the sort of thing the Leafs need with half their cap reserved for the Core Four. Pinho comes back this way to even out the value a bit.


1.) 02 Oct 2019 15:44:22
This is a very respectable deal. If HUtchison doesn't give the Leafs enough confidence and Copley does than I say go for it.

Until leafs move a RWer Bracco looks to be a an AHLer until given a better chance. He isn't good enough defencively for 3rd line action and is too good offensively for 8 minutes on 4th line. If washington can use him more effectively than theyd go for this deal as well

well thought out.

2.) 02 Oct 2019 16:23:47
Sams had great numbers in nhl but struggled in who. Could be language could be adapting to nhl. I would keep samsonoc over Copley due tobexpansion draft.

3.) 02 Oct 2019 18:56:52
Very solid deal. Would like to see hutch get some reps though. He deserves a fair chance.

4.) 02 Oct 2019 19:13:07
I agree Hutch deserves a shot. But this deal is for three years of cost-certain backup reliability instead of one year of 'let's give him a shot. ' Hutch is a UFA after this year, so if he plays too well, we won't be able to afford keeping him. Best case scenario is he plays well but not great. From a cap-perspective, of course.



27 Sep 2019 06:56:17
Leafs trade Mason Marchment, 4th round pick
Penguins trade Casey DeSmith, 20% retained

The Leafs give up a little more than they'd want, and end paying their backup a little more than they'd like, but they get a reliable backup who's under contract for the next three years. Pittsburgh's looking to deal a goalie, and if they're willing to retain they get solid value for him.

Should the Leafs let Freddy walk, they end up with DeSmith being part of a tandem that final year, splitting starts with one of Scott or Woll, assuming one is ready at that time.

I'm surprised that nobody's really posting any goalie trades, considering the BU spot is the one position that could really use an upgrade.


1.) 27 Sep 2019 09:44:18
If hutchison doesn't get the backup spot than this is a great suggestion.

Well done and very very original. Love proposals like these.

2.) 27 Sep 2019 12:12:46
I like the thought of running a tandem goalie system as well. It seems to be the popular approach these days. And it mitigates the effect of injury at a critical time to Andersen. We can’t afford an $8M goalie. And Andersen has done nothing post-season especially to make me think he is capable of stealing a series, let alone ride him all the way through the playoffs to a cup. Leafs entire plan is to count on the forwards outscoring yhe opponent’s every night. Not my favourite strategy come playoffs, but it is what it is. Even the defense we set up is annoffensive force. Someone below mentioned Muzzin, he won’t get 50+ points. But he had 47 points last year. So that’s very debateable.

If Andersen walks because we can’t afford him, I would prefer a better tandem than Hutchinson/ DeSmith. We need at least one goalie that can be considered a starting goalie of some sort. A 1a/ 1b if you prefer. I don’t think any combination of DeSmith and what we have in the system right now cuts it.

3.) 27 Sep 2019 15:56:15
Thanks folks!

@LeafsGM you actually inspired this post - I read what you put on the Leafs talk page about how great the team's roster is right now and how most trade proposals lately have just been fantasy. I wanted to try and offer up something realistic and maybe kickstart some talk about the only important position that isn't actually settled.

The Leafs have plenty of depth options to fill the 4LW and 3RD spot, so why would Dubas bother trading to bolster those spots? But backup goalie. Considering the Neuvirth experiment failed, if Hutch falls flat against Detroit tonight then it seems extremely likely that Doobs will do something to address the BU.

4.) 28 Sep 2019 01:53:07
Thanks MarsBars. But I actually posted that with tongue in cheek. It was meant to get people to start talking trades again instead of replying “wait and see” to every proposal put up. I was the only one who floated a proposal for almost three days straight there, and was frustrated at both the lack of creativity in every reply I got, and with the lack of other suggestions from the rest of the members. I guess it worked, because we’ve had a few more proposals again lately, and the responses have been more in line with proper discussion again.

Glad to see you back on site again. I absolutely love your stuff. You obviously know what you are talking about, and have great suggestions. Definitely one of the more astute contributors no doubt.

5.) 28 Sep 2019 20:47:58
I don't hate the move but I would like to know why the hate for Freddy @LeafsGm. Based on shots against he doesn't have a hard job but anyone who watches leafs games knows he is hung out to dry ALOT. He also plays more games than most successful goaltenders.

This past year in the playoffs Freddy had 2-3 games he played incredibly well. Good enough to steal games and the Leafs, with an all offense approach couldn't score. I can never blame Freddy for any of that ESPECIALLY game 6. Should have been over in 6. Look at how the PP performed in the playoffs amongst other things and I don't believe it's fair to criticize Freddy that hard.




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03 Dec 2019 19:16:10
I don't think anyone is arguing that Hutch is better than Allen. That felt like a petty cheap shot for everyone shooting down your trade prop.




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02 Dec 2019 19:15:52
Allen buckles under pressure - note his record as the starter. Wildly inconsistent. Even at 2.175M for 2 years, not worth it. Especially considering the pressure he'll be under to win when the BU position is so heavily scrutinized in Toronto right now.

Allen criticism aside, Kappy for Allen at 2.175 is awful. The Leafs can get one of Pittsburgh's backups or Phoenix Copley for much less than a potential top-6 winger on a great contract.

Kappanen for an heir apparent to Freddy might be something to talk about, but not a way overpaid backup with no starter potential down the road. Ilya Samsonov, Spencer Knight or Ukko-Pekka Lukkonen maybe.




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05 Nov 2019 02:11:51
"reading isn't your fortee" he says, ironically misspelling forté.




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27 Oct 2019 12:06:32
Redwing says no.




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26 Oct 2019 03:17:06
LoL Homer. What a hilariously gentle thing to call a guy.





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