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17 Sep 2019 07:36:40
2020 Offseason trade

Leafs trade Jeremy Bracco, 2nd round pick 2020, 3rd round pick 2021

Anaheim trades Josh Manson (50% retained), Ryan Kesler (assuming he never plays again)

Anaheim gets rid of the financial burden of Kesler by moving Manson at 50%. They bring in a solid prospect and two decent picks.

The Leafs get two years of Manson at 2.05M, exactly the sort of cheap top4 RD that they will need. They pay Kesler to stay home, just like they're doing with Clarkson and Horton now.

They also resign Muzzin at 5.5M, which I think is very reasonable. Barrie will be way too pricey.

Reilly-Manson
Muzzin-Dermott
With the third pair up for grabs, and the young swedes another year older and maybe ready to snag an NHL role.

MarsBars

1.) 17 Sep 2019 08:01:38
The savings aren’t huge, but might be enough to retain Anderson in a couple years. Right now I feel he should be traded too. Great regular series goaltender, but chokes in important moments of important games. Not since Belfour have we we had a real true Vezina goalie.


2.) 17 Sep 2019 11:28:36
Good choice but It won't be easy to pry him from the Ducks, they are weak on RD. Leafs will have money next year as the fwd. group is set and will be similar to this year. With all the UFA's gone and assuming the cap goes up $3m the leafs will have arpund $17m for 5 D, Reilly is good for another couple of years. Give Dermott $3m based on how he makes out this year and have 2 players graduate from the Marlies and we have around $12m left - should be pleanty to add 2 quality D like Manson and Pietrangelo.


3.) 17 Sep 2019 13:01:30
Blues will be making petro a blue for life.


4.) 17 Sep 2019 14:23:03
Redwing: not done yet is it.


5.) 17 Sep 2019 16:00:59
It will be soon. when the season starts they can offer him a contract. Wouldn't be surprised if he is signed shortly after start.


6.) 17 Sep 2019 17:35:50
dont want to extend muzzin lots of mileage, isn't the best skater, rather keep barrie, better for the new NHL game, you can get fuys lize muzzinin FA on the cheap ie methot bieksa ect. he will decline like them in a couple years. keel the good skating puck moving d, and try to develop ypur own buf body version of paraynko or jones of dumba, hard pass on muzz long term.


7.) 17 Sep 2019 18:02:06
Redwing they've been able to offer him a contract since July 1st, you sure talk a lot of sh! t for someone who doesn't seem to understand how the league works.


8.) 17 Sep 2019 18:02:59
Pietrangelo is going to be asking for 9++ and 6-8 years. Not quite Karlsson or Doughty money but just a shade under so with that number St. Louis can keep him.


9.) 17 Sep 2019 18:17:40
@Forsberg21
Barrie will also be asking 9M+, and the Leafs have a couple prospects who may end up being dynamite puck-movers - Liljegren and Sandin certainly have that potential. They have mo one in the organization that brings what Muzzin does, and I feel like he'd sign for 4-5 years at 5.5M. That's why i'd prefer to keep him - different skillset, probably cheaper option.

And Muzzin is loads better and years younger than Bieksa and Methot. He'll be their age when my propsed contract runs out.


10.) 17 Sep 2019 17:54:18
@16 I agree that Manson could be hard to pry away from Anaheim in light of them moving Montour this summer, they've gone from having a crazy deep defense core to being pretty thin over the last two years.

I just love the idea of the Leafs taking on other teams' broken toys in exchange for taking quality defensemen at a discount.

My other target was Arizona because of the Hossa contract, and bringing in Hjalmarsson. But I'd rather have Manson.


11.) 17 Sep 2019 23:18:32
Oh raaannnndddyyyy "Peter Griffin voice".

I'm sorry I will be the first to tell you I don't know everything. So who cares he just had triplets with a st. Louis chick. Good luck getting him to Toronto when you dam well know you will not have 9mil.


12.) 18 Sep 2019 02:31:05
There’s a HUGE difference between Manson and a 1st, and I know, for fact, that you know that as well MarsBars. You’ve been on this site for a long time, and are easily one of the most astute observers of the game. You, Craigger. And few others I tend to read your comments closely, and for good reason. You know what you are talking about, and in those cases where we do disagreement, i prefer your comments versus some old man on a web site that thinks Hamilton is worth 4x1st, plus Frolik, plus Brodie/ Hamoni.

AnywYay, you get my point by now I’m sure.

Columbus sucks. Leafs rule.


13.) 18 Sep 2019 02:56:34
@hotwing69 Pieteranglo will be blue and white next year! Riley for captain!


14.) 18 Sep 2019 04:30:50
Love to have Manson. I don’t see ANA going for this as the offer stands though I like the idea of gaining leverage with taking another teams LITR player.


15.) 18 Sep 2019 08:41:44
What's with all the hate for Muzzin at times? He hitting an age now where maybe a 7 year deal isn't smart but Muzzin is a great player. He doesn't show up on the stat sheet like people want these days from Defenseman but he puts in work out there. I don't know as much about Barrie as I do about Muzzin but at this point I would take a cheaper Muzzin over Barrie anytime.


16.) 18 Sep 2019 12:01:21
Muzzin isn't loved as much as others because he isn't flashy. You won't see him make fancy plays out there but you also won't see him making to many mistakes. He is steady eddie when it comes to playing D. I see Dubas trying to sign him before Barrie because Muzzin was afterall the first captain Dubas ever had.


17.) 18 Sep 2019 12:48:27
Blues will be signing petro.


18.) 18 Sep 2019 16:15:24
Kapanen + Dermott for Savard.


19.) 18 Sep 2019 17:19:57
Heatdreamer. you're on fire today. another nice deal that if colombus is looking for a speedy forward theyd probably consider this. since noone truely knows what they are looking for you have to base this strickly on the value of the deal and its pretty close in my opinion.

again good proposal.


20.) 18 Sep 2019 19:29:52
@Heatdreamer that's a good prop. I like it.

@Craigger yeah I agree and most people I know don't recognize how valuable Muzzin is. He moves the puck fairly well, plays great D, kills penalties and hits. I just really don't get the hard on for Barrie. Granted I'm fairly limited in my knowledge of him but I spoke to a few Avalanche fans that said he is Jake Gardiner 2.0 and they were overjoyed he was gone. We all forget he also played top PP minutes with one of the most dangerous lines in hockey which Reilly will be doing here not Barrie. I expect his production to drop significantly this year.

Really hope I'm wrong I just don't have high hopes for him.


21.) 19 Sep 2019 00:49:44
Barrie will do just fine. If Gardiner can get 50 points playing second line, I’m sure Barrie will be able too as well. It doesn’t matter if he’s playing first pp with Matthews Line, or second op with Tavares line. Either way, he shouldn’t have any problems putting up points. Leafs are far deeper than Colorado and their one line team. We have the manpower to give Barrie plenty of opportunity. And with Muzzin as his partner, I think Barrie might even have more freedom to play offense than he did in Colorado.


 

 

14 May 2019 06:42:03
Leafs trade Nikita Zaitsev
Canucks trade Ryan Spooner, retain 600k

Leafs trade Andreas Johnsson
Knights trade Collin Miller

Leafs lineup

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Kadri-Matthews-Nylander
Moore-Spooner-Kapanen
Petan-Marleau-Mikheyev

Reilly-Miller
Muzzin-Dermott
Rosen-Kivihalme/Liljegren

Andersen

I acquired Spooner to free up Kadri to play up on LW. Zaitsev could be an attractive piece for Vancouver, as their defense is pretty weak and they have their young core on ELCs and tons of cap space.

I don't think we can afford both Kappy and Johnsson, and of the two I think Kapanen will be easier to resign. Acquiring Miller replaces Zaitsev with a defenseman who plays more of a Dubas style. Vegas could be looking to move Miller and Johnsson could be a great fit with the Knights.

Marleau to 4C so he keeps his streak going and plays a role that maximizes his current skillset.

Add and subtract smaller pieces to even the value, but I think both trades are pretty fair and are good fits.

MarsBars

1.) 14 May 2019 07:37:06
LOL I suppose I forgot to trade Connor Brown, but with the coming cap crunch, moving his contract is a given. Connor Brown to the Edmonton Oilers for a third and fifth round pick.


2.) 14 May 2019 18:50:24
I think Vancouver would happily except Zaitsev. Edler is looking less and less like he will re-sign there and he probably walks on July 1st. If Vancouver also wants to move Tanev, they are going to need someone to step-up and play in their top 4. Zaitsev could be that guy. We could bring in Spooner and then flip him to a team like Ottawa. Maybe he succeeds in a top 6 role there and gets his stride back.

I think Dubas would be a little reluctant trading his best LW, especially with the lack of depth behind him. Kapanen on the other hand for Miller is interesting and you might get a bit more for him since he is younger.


 

 

05 Apr 2019 18:17:36
Leafs trade Connor Brown

Flyers trade Philippe Myers

A disappointing season has led Philly to get a real good look at their deep stable of young defensemen, and it seems like Myers could be the odd man out. Connor Brown's skillset would fit right into Philly's middle six, and Myers would slot into the third pair next year with Calle Rosen. Myers is 6'5 every day, so you know Babs would be thrilled. In 21 games this year (again, probably odd man out) Myers has a surprising 4.8% corsi rel, so he's actually been a major positive factor when on the ice, on average.

This trade also follows Dubas' propensity for trading NHLers for younger, cost-controlled players while also following Dubas' pattern of stockpiling a lot of young prospects at positions the Leafs are weak at (LW and RD - the Marlies are absolutely brimming with players at those two positions).

I think both teams happily accept this trade. Thoughts?

MarsBars

1.) 06 Apr 2019 21:03:32
I like this. Philly still holds with Ghost, Prov, Sanheim and Gudas as a top4. Then Morin and Hagg round it out. I’d like Myers, although it might be with a sweetner on top for the cap change, so maybe Philly wants a 4/ 5? Great idea tho. Rielly/ Muzz/ Dermott/ Rosen/ Myers/ Zaitsev looks solid to me.


2.) 07 Apr 2019 00:31:05
If we could get Myers for Brown, it’s a no-brainer. Myers has 40 hits in 20 games this year. So on a full year, that would be 160 hits. Not too shabby. Good to see a guy his size not afraid to throw the body around a bit. Unlike a certain Carolina player we all know. Lol.

Brown and Myers are both victims of the extraordinary depth each of their teams have in those respective positions. Brown is probably tops on Leafs “Most Likely To Be Traded” list. We all know he’s a damn good player, but a bit of a wasting asset on the 4th line. Same can be said about Myers in Philly. I don’t look up Myers’ salary, but I believe Leafs would be saving money here.

I like it MarsBars. You don’t float a lot of proposals, but when you do, you always float some of the best proposals, and this one is no different. We save money, and add a solid RHD who hits and still has potential to become an offensive threat as well. You’re absolutely correct. It’s the exact type trade Dubas would enjoy.


 

 

01 Jan 2019 00:12:56
Leafs trade Carl Grundstrom
Oilers trade Matthew Benning

An idea that's been floated around by Mackin a few times this season. With the additions of Manning and Petrovic, Chiarelli is clearly convinced he has a playoff team. Missing three defensemen (Sekera, Klefbom and Russell) is difficult to overcome, so Chiarelli acquired some stopgaps until those guys cone back. Benning was already playing 3rd pairing minutes and likely won't lose them now, but once Russell and Klefbom start to get healthy Benning's going to be the odd man out. I could see Chiarelli agreeing to something like this to avoid waiving Benning and losing him like Zykov.

Grundstrom is a near-NHL-ready prospect, though his ceiling looks like a bottom six grinding forward. Current bottom pair D for a likely future bottom six LW, seems fair to me.

MarsBars

1.) 01 Jan 2019 01:05:59
Benning doesn't have much value, Oiler fans themselves don’t really think of him highly. It def wouldn’t cost Grundy, whos playing well in the A, but I like the idea of Benning. i'd give up a 3rd.


 

 

29 Dec 2018 01:59:57
Here's a crazy suggestion for yall

Leafs claim Valentin Zykov off waivers

He can play both wings. He scored 33 goals for Charlotte last year. After losing Ennis and Hyman to injury, the Leafs could really use the reinforcements.

MarsBars

1.) 29 Dec 2018 07:02:33
Not so crazy. Leading scorer in the AHL last year. Never got a fair shake yet at NHL level. If Carolina doesn’t claim him back first and Leafs get a chance at claiming him, it’s well worth the risk. We can squeeze him on the roster I’m sure. Marincin and Ennis can both be made available to make room.


2.) 29 Dec 2018 14:36:37
Toronto should claim him. having zaitsev and ozhiganov may actually help this guy. he can score and on this team given the proper chance could do it a lot and thus when everyone is back make another expandable to get a rhd. carolina and edmonton only tested him on fourth line duties. try him out on either three lines for toronto and second power play and this guy could be a sleeper for success. love the idea. hopefully dubas does too.


3.) 29 Dec 2018 19:44:04
Claimed by vegas.


4.) 29 Dec 2018 21:38:10
Of course.


5.) 29 Dec 2018 22:19:18
Tragic.


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2019 17:12:01
@hound dog if you consider winning a playoff series against Nashville, then taking the eventual cup winners to 7 games a BAD season, then i'm not sure what to tell you. I would say that Dallas had an awesome season tbh, not exactly the time to tear down and rebuild.

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17 Sep 2019 17:54:18
@16 I agree that Manson could be hard to pry away from Anaheim in light of them moving Montour this summer, they've gone from having a crazy deep defense core to being pretty thin over the last two years.

I just love the idea of the Leafs taking on other teams' broken toys in exchange for taking quality defensemen at a discount.

My other target was Arizona because of the Hossa contract, and bringing in Hjalmarsson. But I'd rather have Manson.

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17 Sep 2019 18:17:40
@Forsberg21
Barrie will also be asking 9M+, and the Leafs have a couple prospects who may end up being dynamite puck-movers - Liljegren and Sandin certainly have that potential. They have mo one in the organization that brings what Muzzin does, and I feel like he'd sign for 4-5 years at 5.5M. That's why i'd prefer to keep him - different skillset, probably cheaper option.

And Muzzin is loads better and years younger than Bieksa and Methot. He'll be their age when my propsed contract runs out.

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17 Sep 2019 15:03:11
I think Carolina could challenge for best D-core in the league.

Slavin
Hamilton
Pesce
Gardiner
Faulk

That's some serious puck movement from the blueline on all three pairs.

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07 Jul 2019 17:13:31
I love the idea of using the excess draft capitol acquired from Mitch to offer sheet someone else, the picks from an offer sheet have to originally belong to that team.

The Leafs could not, in theory, send all four NYI first round picks to Boston for McAvoy as part of an offer sheet.

Had we kept our 1st during the Marleau trade, this would be a very exciting scenario for me.

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