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10 Nov 2018 20:20:25
After awhile the posts become a blur. Many r very similar. I'm sure this version has been posted but I'll give it a go.

I have been convinced that Josh Manson is the guy they should target IF made available Ducks have had up and down season. Below .500. Need to get younger and cheaper mainly up front.

TOR Nylander Liljegren
ANA Manson Silfverberg 3rd '20

Leafs get their top 4 dman. Hainsey to 3rd pairing. Silfverberg plays top 9 for Leafs. Considered defensively responsible. Makes 3.5 then UFA next year.

Ducks get more skilled up front top 3 fwd, younger 22 years old. Have to pay him bout 7x7, or thereabouts going forward. Get highly regarded dman to replace Manson. Can keep Liljegren in minors til next year. Becomes 3rd pair for them behind Lindholm, Fowler, Montour and highly regarded Larsson.

Leafs may have to take on contract because when Corey Perry comes back later this year then Ducks in cap crunch. Is considered to be out 5 months from beginning of this year. Although I am not here to fix others team's cap. Problem is Ducks stuck with Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry contracts for next 3-4 years.

3rd rounder compensates for 9 year age difference between Silfverberg and Liljegren.

Does it work?

Rocket9

1.) 10 Nov 2018 20:54:07
Don’t trade Lilygren, are you from the Dave Nonis school of being a GM.


2.) 10 Nov 2018 21:11:48
Manson would be a good pick up, but I would like to hang on to liljegren. How about Holl, or Zaitsev if Ducks have any cap space left. I doubt they could take Nylander.


3.) 10 Nov 2018 22:18:59
Heatdteamer

Wow so looking at your post below, you think 3rd-4th liner (Johnson), minor league dman (not as highly regarded as Liljegren) and a throwing in a first is going to get you Manson?

What r you from the Burke school of being a GM? Throwing away firsts.

Ever heard of giving up something to get something? Take a harder look at the package you r offering.


4.) 10 Nov 2018 22:31:48
Due to cap restraints and contract spots I think a Nylander deal is tough. however, you've actually done a good job with that problem. i'd hate to lose liljegren but not many can fill out the value on this like he can. Let's just give them Rasanen and SDA instead and hopefully the Ducks quack on this.


5.) 10 Nov 2018 22:42:14
I’m on heatdreamer’s side on this one. You selected a couple good players here, but 8 years of Nylander and 10 years of Liljegren is worth far more than 4 years of Manson and a pending UFA in Silfverberg.

I would center a trade based around Nylander + pick/ b-prospect for Manson and take Silfverberg on as cap dump for Anaheim to be able to afford Nylander. Giving them our future 1RHD is out of the question though.


6.) 11 Nov 2018 00:19:16
LeafsGM

First off Reilly is now #1 dman for Leafs. Not going anywhere anytime soon. Look how long it took him to to grow into that role. Liljegren does not just step into the role. You don't become #1 dman after 2-3 years of minors. Add a few more years after promotion for him to maybe become #1 dman. Large assumption by you.

Not a chance you get Manson for Nylander and a B prospect. Even it is for Nylander and 1st. No dman coming back does not help Ducks. You know you have to sometimes overpay for dmen.

I would love to keep Liljegren and give up Marincin Leivo and 7th, but it isn't happening. Sometimes when I read some of these posts I think it is mentality of how some people think here.

The biggest issue dealing with Ducks as I mentioned in my post is their cap. Going to be tough dealing with them.


7.) 11 Nov 2018 15:49:05
@rocket

Where did I say he was going to be 1RHD? All I said was he is going to be on the team for like 10 years.

If you can’t handle people criticizing your trades, then you are going to have a very difficult time enjoying yourself. Not one single person agreed with you here. What’s that telling you?


8.) 11 Nov 2018 16:41:54
"Giving them our future 1RHD is out of the question though"

I totally agree with that statement. but I still want Manson so somebody please run into Dubas and tell him how much I want Manson. I'd do it myself but haven't figured out how to do it yet without getting arrested. l.


9.) 11 Nov 2018 21:37:23
LeafsGM

Wow ok.

READ YOUR LAST SENTENCE ON YOUR REBUTTAL

"Giving them our future #1RHD is out of the question though"

Can you not read English or your post?

Don't care which side he will play. You say #1. If you feel he will be #2 or #3 or #4 then say it. Everyone else on this site says top 2 or top 4. You r too hung up on what way he shoots.

So who is going to be on your 3rd pairing going forward as #5 or #6 or is it #3LHD and #3RHD?

As far as no one agreeing read Craigger's comments. Hardly a complete dismissal. But of course you didn't refer to it. How unexpected and surprised of you were people on this site? Just picking and choosing what you want. Once again how surprising?

So if truth hurts then stop posting junk.


10.) 11 Nov 2018 23:54:36
Didn't mean to get into this little feud between you 2. I'm never surprised by anything on this site. it's a fun site to bang deals and suggestions out. Keep doing what u all keep doing. it's fun. cheers.


 

 

21 Oct 2018 16:35:38
This post did not go through yesterday so apologize if this repeats

If Kings continue to stumble they may be ready to move some guys. As was discussed earlier this week when they were here they need to get younger and definitely faster. Gone are days of them being dominate with their size and heaviness. Another loss yesterday. 3 this week

I am still focused on Leafs improving their biggest weakness, bluline

Muzzin 3rd
Rosen Bracco Leivo (I am always trying to dump Leivo)

Muzzin has 4.0 AAV for this and next. Kings eliminating 4.0 helps their cap

Muzzin plays with Doughty. He can handle heavy minutes

If it doesn't work Leafs easily move him next summer

Kings have 8 guys over 30 throughout their roster

Rocket9

1.) 21 Oct 2018 19:22:25
Is marleau starting to slip keep an eye on GRUNDSTROM WITH MARLIES.


2.) 21 Oct 2018 21:38:47
Your thinking on this is bang on. However, the players you are dealing for Muzzin are not there.

The kings would need a dman capable of filling Muzzins skates and minutes to make this happen. Would a deal involving Gardiner work?

LA would need to send some salary back in this deal but Doughty definetly covers up Gardiners faults but Gardiner also adds youth and speed over Muzzin and fills in his minutes.

Muzzin improves defence and with Gardiner leaving this puts more on Dermott offensively. deal involving these 2 actually could help both teams.

Gardiner Leivo for Muzzin and Clifford (salary coming back)

Does this work?

Ps Muzzin is an old Sau boy isn't he?


3.) 21 Oct 2018 22:17:52
Craigger12

My thought is Leafs feel they can go for it this year so why take Gardiner out of lineup? Muzzin replaces Hainsey who moves to 6-7 spot. Save his minutes for playoffs. Keep Gardiner for rest of year.

You want to adjust trade go ahead but don't replace 1 D for another. Why do Kings need to send salary back? Muzzin and Gardiner make same thing. LA may feel they take step back this year and may trade others. They will have to restructure their D from within.


4.) 21 Oct 2018 22:22:14
David Mackin,

What does your comment have to do with the post?


5.) 21 Oct 2018 23:06:36
I get what your saying. If Leafs go this route for a guy like Muzzin without needing a guy to replace him coming back than Leafs will need to make a better package for him. AHL players simply won't cut it. and yes Leivo is an AHL guy who can't be sent down but AHL skill through and through.


6.) 21 Oct 2018 23:47:19
Rocket9,

Do comments need to have anything to do with posts are we following some kind of rule?


7.) 22 Oct 2018 01:55:47
David, it would be helpful yes. If you want to actually post, no one has a problem with it.

But people want criticism on their posts, normally.

As for the post, i doubt LA takes that. Theyd need at least our first for Muzzin. i'd love Muzzin tho.


8.) 22 Oct 2018 01:59:12
David Mackin

No rules

Just random comment after post which had nothing to with Marleau or Grunstrom. Confusing.


9.) 22 Oct 2018 02:07:58
David.

Not a big deal but maybe just post that in Leafs talk? This will start a whole new conversation.


 

 

13 Oct 2018 18:40:11
So Leafs need help now on D. I have convinced myself as much as I want Nylander to stay long term I think they will move him on. We'll see. Don't see Leafs giving penny over 7 AAV. Btwn 6.5-7 AAV more likely

There is no #1 available so they need to do this by committee.

Tor Nylander, Holl
Car Faulk, TVR

Faulk and TVR make $7.1 AAV (rounded) combined for next two years. So Leafs not committed long term on cap. Leafs can move on from them in 2 years. (Liljgren Rosen Borgman Sandin in pipe)

Hamilton, Slavin, Pesce, De Haan not going anywhere I think. Fleury, Bean, McKeown young and up and coming. Holl plays 3rd pair with Fleury and he is cheap

If Don Waddell GM can convince cheapskate owner to sign Nyander for 7 x 7.5 or thereabouts then I think Nylander agrees. Sign and trade. 5 of their top 6 is Stall, Nylander, Teravainen, Aho and Svechnikov. They have most cap room in NHL

I know Dubas says he doesn't want to trade Nylander but.........

Leafs
Reilly Faulk
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott TVR
Hainsey Ozhiganov

Stronger 8 man unit then present

Babcock gets his LHD RHD doesn't need to play Hainsey for 82 games

What is Marincin doing in NHL? Go away.

If you guys want to add picks going back and forth go ahead

I know don't get back star potential back for Nylander but this is as much bout cap mgmt now and later and gain cap space in 2 years

Leafs can overpay for guys like Ryan Ellis NSH (8 x 6.25 AAV starting next year) and be locked in long term but have to pay Marner and Matthews

The guy you overpay for is Werenski but I don't see CBJ moving him

Thoughts

Rocket9

1.) 13 Oct 2018 19:02:09
Absolutely not.

8 years of Nylander is worth much more than 2 years of Faulk + TVR. Maybe it seems to work cap wise, but this is a poor example of asset management.


2.) 13 Oct 2018 19:35:48
LeafsGM

Who you going to get to upgrade blue line?

So your answer is Alex Petrovic as an upgrade as you stated on previous post?

What are you going to do with Huberdeau for next 5 years at 5.9? Yeah that's good asset management. Can you say inconsistent

They need a blueliner if not two blueliners not more forwards and certainly a better option then Petrovic.

I would take Pulock from NYI or overpay for Werenski CBJ.


3.) 13 Oct 2018 21:31:24
Pesce. Not faulk. Fill the trade in from there. Personally I feel Carolina would need to add a piece but others can debate that. I also feel Nylander for Parayko works. But neither of these moves can be done in isolation.


4.) 13 Oct 2018 22:32:42
@tocket

What would I do with Hunerdeau for 5 years. Play him. He’s a damn good player. As for Petrovic? He was the throw in to balance salaries, not the answer. After his contract expires end of season, he wouldn’t be coming back.

Do Leafs really need that 1RHD so bad? It doesn’t even seem like the entire team has any inteeest in defence. I expect next year Liljegren will be playing, if not even by the end of this year.

We can’t trade 8 years of Nylander for a short term solution. It really is poor asset management. Faulk definitely isn’t the answer anyway, even if his contract were longer. We don’t need RHD version of Gardiner.


5.) 14 Oct 2018 00:45:34
Falk is a terrible defenseman.
He is a RD Jake Gardner but not nearly as good.
If Pesce isn't included, then absolutely no deal. A
TVR has had his day in the NHL and Leafs don't need him on the downside.
Pesce and Teravainen for Nylander and Leivo or a 2nd would just about do it.


6.) 14 Oct 2018 01:29:55
LeafsGM

So you would play Huberdeau good for you because Leafs NEED more offense. Have you watched Leafs play tbis year or are you just throwing darts and having it stand as your opinion. Seriously? Yeah team has no interest in defence. You think Babcock let's them get away with it long term. They keep it up they are gone first round.

Didn't say Faulk was 1RHD said they needed to have defence by committee. Read the post if you are going to quote. I started the post by saying I don't want to trade Nylander but its been reported both sides are far apart. I'll take 8 years of Nylander

Won't be surprised if trade happens.

Hugh Allan

Would love Pesce but as I said don't think he is going anywhere, top 2 top 4 for Canes. TVR would be third pairing not top 4.


7.) 14 Oct 2018 05:20:45
I don’t believe I did quote you other than answering your question on Huberdeau. But to quote you now, you are proposing trading eight years of Nylander for two years of Faulk, who you suggest wouldn’t be playing 1RHD (which begs the question where would he be playing), and TVR. So we don’t receive a true 1RHD back and we get a 3RHD? For Nylander.

If you offered Carolina this trade, you can be sure Waddell would jump all over it. They will be looking to dump Faulk on a bigger sucker first chance they can get. I just wonder if Waddell would kiss you first and light your smoke after?


8.) 14 Oct 2018 09:12:26
@rocket9
This trade actually makes us worse or we stay the same Faulk adds nothing for the leafs tvr is not that good either if you are trading a young player with elite talent you need to get something of fair value.


9.) 14 Oct 2018 15:42:05
LeafsGM

We on this site thank you for truly not being the true Leafs gm.

Huberdeau wow! That move solves the Leafs defensive shortcomings doesn't it.

Why not call say Edmonton to see if McDavid is available?

Why not focus on defenceman who would try to help their biggest weakness instead of trying to acquire more forwards?

Come on give us a post showing your brilliance? having them acquiring a dman.


 

 

03 Jun 2018 20:23:30
Canes need to upgrade front line.

You figure they draft Svechnikov with 2nd.

They have some dmen up and coming Fleury (played 67 games with Canes last year), McKeown and Bean. Three of them r 22 yo and under.

1st '18 + Kapanen for Hanifin.

Babcock has hardon for Hanifin.

Maybe Canes decide to move Faulk instead, but I wouldn't same package for Faulk.

Rocket9

1.) 03 Jun 2018 20:33:44
Do it Kyle
How do you know about Babcock’s.,?


2.) 04 Jun 2018 01:59:10
Babcock wanted Hanifin in the draft, Hunter wanted Marner.
The 25th and Kapanen will not be enough to get Hanifin. It will take Nylander and Leafs 1st to pry him lose from Carolina.


3.) 04 Jun 2018 14:51:05
Hugh Allan

You might be right.

This proposal may not be enough.

If I am Dubas I would try to sweeten deal instead of giving up Nylander.


 

 

04 Feb 2018 18:10:51
leafs need to solidify blueline. like it or not rielly, hainsey, gardiner, zaitsev are top 4, i would be shocked to see them get top 4 dman this month.

you do not waste 2nd rounder for 4th line center. still can't believe they did that. move was not reason they took washington deep

two teams that could have been trade partners for them last off season, minny and ducks streamlined their blue line trading scandella, vatanen and theodore respectively.

need to call up carolina to see see if TVR could be had for pick and prospect. (would much prefer one of their top 4 but don't see them trading anyone of them unless leafs paid thru the nose). considering what they are paying their top 3 then are going to have to pay hannifin and fleury going forward, they are not going to pay TVR next season. has best +/- on team

2nd + andreas johnsson for TVR.

you have to pay up for dmen. he would help 3rd pairing. leafs have 2 seconds this year. could resign him in offeason.

do not waste 2nd for bottom six forward.

Rocket9

1.) 04 Feb 2018 19:19:00
You are right about Carolina. But they've paid their top dmen so they will cost way too much to get. So you need to get one of their up and coming d cause they can't pay them. They need scoring. We have lots of scoring so mine it happen Lou!


2.) 04 Feb 2018 19:19:15
*make it happen.


3.) 04 Feb 2018 19:56:05
jconn

i think we are saying the same thing. who would you ask for and for what price?


4.) 05 Feb 2018 02:37:47
Rocket9,
I felt the same way about the Leafs giving up a second rounder for a rental, especially since the genesis of their scorched earth plan was only two years ago. While the Leafs may be ahead of their long term plans, they are also entering the more challenging phase of their rebuild. Anyone can tear down and trade or sell off assets on a team. Building it back up with the right people isn’t easy to do even when you draft right.

The sad part about players like Theodore, is that the Leafs could have had him for free at the draft when they decided on Gauthier instead. I get that it’s easier to look back in the past and dissect a should have, could have at the drafts. I am hopeful that Hunter and his team will continue to do their homework and draft skilled over truculent. This is why I believe their high picks are important to the long term development of their team.


5.) 05 Feb 2018 03:45:31
I'm thinking a McKeown or a Fleury. Preferably McKeown because he's a right shot. I've suggested jvr for McKeown and a first.


 

 

 

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18 Nov 2018 20:48:54
Explain why EDM would trade two roster players AND 1st for Gardiner who won't get offer of 7 x 7 from EDM? because he is going to get close to that offer elsewhere. Maybe 6 years or 6-6.5 in money.

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18 Nov 2018 01:20:47
Whether ANA decides to take step back this year or not, why would they trade an up and coming cheap dman plus a 1st for pending UFA who assuredly walks next year because someone is going to give him between 6-7 AAV. Won't be ANA?

Not a chance.

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17 Nov 2018 16:09:00
Here's problem dealing with Ducks now.

With Fowler out 8 weeks they had to play 3 rookies on blue line last night. It is going to be tough if not near impossible to get Montour or Manson (my choice) out of there in next two weeks unless they decide to take couple steps back for future. Their 7th dman is Luke Schenn. Not much depth. Hope they can still get Manson.

I am changing my focus to Flyers.

TOR Sanheim Konecny
PHA Nylander

Sanheim may not contribute as much this year as future years but I think would be good get.

They may not want to give up Konecny and offer someone like Laughton. Watched Laughton play for Generals for 4 years. Played for DJ Smith.
Konecny offers more offensive upside than Laughton who is little more well rounded.

Sanheim is focus here.

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17 Nov 2018 03:07:18
Very underwhelming return overall.

I would consider Juolevi in some trade.

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17 Nov 2018 03:04:53
Love Trouba and Hayton

Someone floated Perlini earlier. No just say no

Otherwise too many moving parts.

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