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23 Feb 2020 04:59:00
PHI Kapanen RW
TOR Sanheim D

-both 23
-Kapanen 3.2 for two more years
-Sanheim 3.25 for one more year

I know Sanheim is not right shooting but does it matter now?

Dumba makes too much and would cost too much. Do not see NYR trading DeAngelo. Both are right shooting but do not see either of those two coming to TOR.


1.) 23 Feb 2020 12:25:02
Kapanen has more value than Sanheim, so if PHA adds a 2nd then ok.



04 Jul 2019 21:33:37
If I am reading this right from capfriendly, Leafs ONLY have 3.8 MIL in space. Add Horton with 5.3 MIL you have 9.1 MIL. Still not enough to sign Greedy Mitchy.

So Dubas is going to have to trade Kessel 1.2 MIL to free up space taking nothing back. Now 10.3 MIL. Even if they pay Greedy 10.0 MIL then next to no excess left.

Only player on roster now who they can send down who is on two way contract is Goat which saves another .675K. Now having approx 2.175 MIL ( .300 + .675 + 1.2). Depth guys they signed Agostino, Shore, Gravel even Holl are all on one way contracts. All in the .675-.750K range which counts on cap as one way contracts.

TOR 5th '20
COL 3rd '20 (CBJ) Kessel 1.2 MIL

COL with 27.1 MIL in cap space. They obviously need to sign Rantanen and Zadorov as big names.

This would leave Leafs with 3.375 MIL in space assuming no other moves.

Not sexy trade but cost of doing business.

I think my math is right.


1.) 04 Jul 2019 23:07:05
What makes you believe that retained salary is a tradeable asset?

2.) 05 Jul 2019 02:36:51
They will send down some contracts to the Marlies after training camp. That will open up probably another $1.5M or so.

Btw - you can not trade the cap hit from Kessel.

3.) 05 Jul 2019 04:02:51
Dubas is going to trade Kessel’s $1.2M. That’s a great idea. I love it. I didn’t even know you could trade retained salary. I never heard of such a thing before. I honestly don’t know if you’re math is right. I tried following it, but got lost. If it’s allowable to trade retained salary, then Leafs should absolutely go ahead with this proposal if it ever becomes a viable option. It’s a fantastic idea. It really is. I love it.

4.) 05 Jul 2019 04:12:24
Can't trade retained salary.

5.) 05 Jul 2019 04:40:02
You know what would have been nice? If we could have got Zadorov for the right price too. Gravel, Harpur, Marincin, Holl would pretty much equal Zadorov salary. Or Ceci alone would do it. I mean, for the same price, who would you rather have, Zadorov? Or any of those other hacks?

6.) 05 Jul 2019 12:02:35
My math isn't right. I'm sure some of you have caught it. I double-dipped on Kessel.

The 3.375 I stated they had is wrong. Take 1.2 away for double-dipping and you are back at 2.175 as stated before.

They can and will trade Sparks .750K for 7th to someone and then they now will have 2.925 remaining cap space.

Will have full roster but could use another depth dman. Not sure Gravel plays much. More of a Marlie guy. Why was Marincin resigned?

7.) 05 Jul 2019 12:52:57
The Leafs have at least available $9.5M available and that does not include LTIR for Dermott and Hyman who will also begin the season on IR.



18 Jun 2019 23:48:40
I like most think Gardiner moves on. Leafs I feel should work hard at picking up a draft pick. No first this year.

If you believe speculation Montreal is interested in Gardiner then deal could work. Yes I am about to suggest dealing with not only divisional rival but big rival.

In the cap world teams need to think outside box.

Montreal Gardiner's rights
Toronto 2nd '19 (CBJ) OR 3rd '19 (MTL)

Not exactly trading rights to Mathews, Tavares, Reilly or Marner to Habs. I can live with Gardiner playing against Leafs for next 6 years.

I believe Habs are interested but how interested?


1.) 19 Jun 2019 03:39:55
Normally I would say Gardiner’s rights don’t have that much value, but he’s the best defenseman free agent available. If a team wants to get the jump in signing him and be able to offer him the extra year, then this is a very viable and realistic trade.

I think Jersey would be the better team to try this trade with though. They have the most cap space in the league, and from what I’ve been reading, they are desperate to find a top line LHD. Their interest in Gardiner is very real.

Montreal would only make this trade if they want to sign Gardiner for 8 years. Otherwise, there is no point. May as well just wait another week and half and sign him outright.

2.) 19 Jun 2019 12:25:55
I agree that there is some value there and I would trade his rights. Not sure you get a 2nd for them though, at best a 3rd and that would be fine for something that the Leafs will lose for nothing in 2 weeks.



10 Nov 2018 20:20:25
After awhile the posts become a blur. Many r very similar. I'm sure this version has been posted but I'll give it a go.

I have been convinced that Josh Manson is the guy they should target IF made available Ducks have had up and down season. Below .500. Need to get younger and cheaper mainly up front.

TOR Nylander Liljegren
ANA Manson Silfverberg 3rd '20

Leafs get their top 4 dman. Hainsey to 3rd pairing. Silfverberg plays top 9 for Leafs. Considered defensively responsible. Makes 3.5 then UFA next year.

Ducks get more skilled up front top 3 fwd, younger 22 years old. Have to pay him bout 7x7, or thereabouts going forward. Get highly regarded dman to replace Manson. Can keep Liljegren in minors til next year. Becomes 3rd pair for them behind Lindholm, Fowler, Montour and highly regarded Larsson.

Leafs may have to take on contract because when Corey Perry comes back later this year then Ducks in cap crunch. Is considered to be out 5 months from beginning of this year. Although I am not here to fix others team's cap. Problem is Ducks stuck with Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry contracts for next 3-4 years.

3rd rounder compensates for 9 year age difference between Silfverberg and Liljegren.

Does it work?


1.) 10 Nov 2018 20:54:07
Don’t trade Lilygren, are you from the Dave Nonis school of being a GM.

2.) 10 Nov 2018 21:11:48
Manson would be a good pick up, but I would like to hang on to liljegren. How about Holl, or Zaitsev if Ducks have any cap space left. I doubt they could take Nylander.

3.) 10 Nov 2018 22:18:59

Wow so looking at your post below, you think 3rd-4th liner (Johnson), minor league dman (not as highly regarded as Liljegren) and a throwing in a first is going to get you Manson?

What r you from the Burke school of being a GM? Throwing away firsts.

Ever heard of giving up something to get something? Take a harder look at the package you r offering.

4.) 10 Nov 2018 22:31:48
Due to cap restraints and contract spots I think a Nylander deal is tough. however, you've actually done a good job with that problem. i'd hate to lose liljegren but not many can fill out the value on this like he can. Let's just give them Rasanen and SDA instead and hopefully the Ducks quack on this.

5.) 10 Nov 2018 22:42:14
I’m on heatdreamer’s side on this one. You selected a couple good players here, but 8 years of Nylander and 10 years of Liljegren is worth far more than 4 years of Manson and a pending UFA in Silfverberg.

I would center a trade based around Nylander + pick/ b-prospect for Manson and take Silfverberg on as cap dump for Anaheim to be able to afford Nylander. Giving them our future 1RHD is out of the question though.

6.) 11 Nov 2018 00:19:16

First off Reilly is now #1 dman for Leafs. Not going anywhere anytime soon. Look how long it took him to to grow into that role. Liljegren does not just step into the role. You don't become #1 dman after 2-3 years of minors. Add a few more years after promotion for him to maybe become #1 dman. Large assumption by you.

Not a chance you get Manson for Nylander and a B prospect. Even it is for Nylander and 1st. No dman coming back does not help Ducks. You know you have to sometimes overpay for dmen.

I would love to keep Liljegren and give up Marincin Leivo and 7th, but it isn't happening. Sometimes when I read some of these posts I think it is mentality of how some people think here.

The biggest issue dealing with Ducks as I mentioned in my post is their cap. Going to be tough dealing with them.

7.) 11 Nov 2018 15:49:05

Where did I say he was going to be 1RHD? All I said was he is going to be on the team for like 10 years.

If you can’t handle people criticizing your trades, then you are going to have a very difficult time enjoying yourself. Not one single person agreed with you here. What’s that telling you?

8.) 11 Nov 2018 16:41:54
"Giving them our future 1RHD is out of the question though"

I totally agree with that statement. but I still want Manson so somebody please run into Dubas and tell him how much I want Manson. I'd do it myself but haven't figured out how to do it yet without getting arrested. l.

9.) 11 Nov 2018 21:37:23

Wow ok.


"Giving them our future #1RHD is out of the question though"

Can you not read English or your post?

Don't care which side he will play. You say #1. If you feel he will be #2 or #3 or #4 then say it. Everyone else on this site says top 2 or top 4. You r too hung up on what way he shoots.

So who is going to be on your 3rd pairing going forward as #5 or #6 or is it #3LHD and #3RHD?

As far as no one agreeing read Craigger's comments. Hardly a complete dismissal. But of course you didn't refer to it. How unexpected and surprised of you were people on this site? Just picking and choosing what you want. Once again how surprising?

So if truth hurts then stop posting junk.

10.) 11 Nov 2018 23:54:36
Didn't mean to get into this little feud between you 2. I'm never surprised by anything on this site. it's a fun site to bang deals and suggestions out. Keep doing what u all keep doing. it's fun. cheers.



21 Oct 2018 16:35:38
This post did not go through yesterday so apologize if this repeats

If Kings continue to stumble they may be ready to move some guys. As was discussed earlier this week when they were here they need to get younger and definitely faster. Gone are days of them being dominate with their size and heaviness. Another loss yesterday. 3 this week

I am still focused on Leafs improving their biggest weakness, bluline

Muzzin 3rd
Rosen Bracco Leivo (I am always trying to dump Leivo)

Muzzin has 4.0 AAV for this and next. Kings eliminating 4.0 helps their cap

Muzzin plays with Doughty. He can handle heavy minutes

If it doesn't work Leafs easily move him next summer

Kings have 8 guys over 30 throughout their roster


1.) 21 Oct 2018 19:22:25
Is marleau starting to slip keep an eye on GRUNDSTROM WITH MARLIES.

2.) 21 Oct 2018 21:38:47
Your thinking on this is bang on. However, the players you are dealing for Muzzin are not there.

The kings would need a dman capable of filling Muzzins skates and minutes to make this happen. Would a deal involving Gardiner work?

LA would need to send some salary back in this deal but Doughty definetly covers up Gardiners faults but Gardiner also adds youth and speed over Muzzin and fills in his minutes.

Muzzin improves defence and with Gardiner leaving this puts more on Dermott offensively. deal involving these 2 actually could help both teams.

Gardiner Leivo for Muzzin and Clifford (salary coming back)

Does this work?

Ps Muzzin is an old Sau boy isn't he?

3.) 21 Oct 2018 22:17:52

My thought is Leafs feel they can go for it this year so why take Gardiner out of lineup? Muzzin replaces Hainsey who moves to 6-7 spot. Save his minutes for playoffs. Keep Gardiner for rest of year.

You want to adjust trade go ahead but don't replace 1 D for another. Why do Kings need to send salary back? Muzzin and Gardiner make same thing. LA may feel they take step back this year and may trade others. They will have to restructure their D from within.

4.) 21 Oct 2018 22:22:14
David Mackin,

What does your comment have to do with the post?

5.) 21 Oct 2018 23:06:36
I get what your saying. If Leafs go this route for a guy like Muzzin without needing a guy to replace him coming back than Leafs will need to make a better package for him. AHL players simply won't cut it. and yes Leivo is an AHL guy who can't be sent down but AHL skill through and through.

6.) 21 Oct 2018 23:47:19

Do comments need to have anything to do with posts are we following some kind of rule?

7.) 22 Oct 2018 01:55:47
David, it would be helpful yes. If you want to actually post, no one has a problem with it.

But people want criticism on their posts, normally.

As for the post, i doubt LA takes that. Theyd need at least our first for Muzzin. i'd love Muzzin tho.

8.) 22 Oct 2018 01:59:12
David Mackin

No rules

Just random comment after post which had nothing to with Marleau or Grunstrom. Confusing.

9.) 22 Oct 2018 02:07:58

Not a big deal but maybe just post that in Leafs talk? This will start a whole new conversation.




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05 Jul 2019 12:02:35
My math isn't right. I'm sure some of you have caught it. I double-dipped on Kessel.

The 3.375 I stated they had is wrong. Take 1.2 away for double-dipping and you are back at 2.175 as stated before.

They can and will trade Sparks .750K for 7th to someone and then they now will have 2.925 remaining cap space.

Will have full roster but could use another depth dman. Not sure Gravel plays much. More of a Marlie guy. Why was Marincin resigned?




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02 Jul 2019 10:52:58
I have referred to #43 as #43. Never a fan.

Good riddance.

Great trade.




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01 Jul 2019 11:26:10
Because they want warm body back for him. You think they would want to clear cap space to go out and pick UFA dman? Nobody worth spending big dollars for. Gardiner getting 7x7 probably. You don't want to give him 7x7.




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29 Jun 2019 12:33:06
Here's a thought tell your friend to stop giving you trades.




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29 Jun 2019 12:30:53
Torontobuds LeafsGM

Is the love affair over?

On behalf of others get a room


This one's for you

TOR Lindholm
ANA Petan Sparks 7th (sweetner)





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